CN TB: Pokémon D/P Battle Dimension “Arriving in Style!” [12/20] (Spoilers)

[Lazerboy5000]

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Ash, Brock and Dawn continue their adventures through the land of Sinnoh, meeting some brand new Pokémon, rivals, and challenges along the way!

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Recently:
Dawn currently has two ribbons.
Ash currently has 4 gym badges.
Ash is heading back to Hearthome City to see if the gym leader has returned.
Ash’s Gligar evolved into a Gliscor.

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Last Time
“Fighting Fear With Fear!”
Gilgar seems to be as strong as even since Ash caught it. However, Gligar seems to be scared easily during battle. It is most likely because of its last batter against Paul. Ash tries to toughen it up, but it acting too harshly towards Gligar. Ash then meets up with Gary how thinks that Gligar could do some good by evolving by use of the Razor Fang. And after another encounter with Team Rocket, Gligar gains much more confidence, and Ash agrees to let Gligar evolve into Gliscor.

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This Time:
“Arriving in Style!”
Saturday, December 120h @ 9:00am
Ash, Dawn, and Brock arrive in Hearthome City, and of course, the first stop in the Hearthome Gym. Unfortunately, Ash will have to wait yet again. But a famous Pokemon Stylist is here to great them. Could this coincidence affect Dawn and her upcoming contests?

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Notes:
Let me be one of the first to wish everyone a Merry Christmas this week.
No reruns of Pokemon will air this week due to the several Christmas Specials.
And one last important note. I’m going to be gone next Friday (I’ll be on a bus down to Florida) so I won’t be able to put the Talkback up next week. I’ll need a volunteer to put up the thread next week. And don’t worry, I can give you a template to use if you’re not sure what write down for the descriptions.

[zoombie]

I loved this one, even though they teased a gym battle and it didn't happen.
The bonding moments between Brock and James was hillarous, it is like the time they both fell in love with a girl that was a ghost Pokemon.

I think we have found our new Harley, I think we have not seen the last of Coco (however you spell her name), I think she will be a thorn at Dawn's side in the future.

Speaking of which, it reminds me that Dawn doesn't have a real rival, a character that she just can't beat and has a arrogant attitude about it, that you just can't till Dawn finally beats, like Gary and Paul for Ash, like Drew for May. I thought maybe we found that today, but it turned out not to be.

[Mad Mod 49]

Speaking of which, it reminds me that Dawn doesn't have a real rival, a character that she just can't beat and has a arrogant attitude about it, that you just can't till Dawn finally beats, like Gary and Paul for Ash, like Drew for May. I thought maybe we found that today, but it turned out not to be.

Dawn does have rivals in Zoey and Kenny; Zoey in particular is the one that Dawn can't beat yet. Look up the term "rival" in the dictionary. Nowhere does it say that your rival/competitor must have an arrogant attitude or that rivals must hate each other. God, how come so many people don't get it? :confused: Besides, all arrogant rivals all the time get boring. :yawn:

Oh, and there will never be a new Harley. Ever! :p

[zoombie]

Dawn does have rivals in Zoey and Kenny; Zoey in particular is the one that Dawn can't beat yet. Look up the term "rival" in the dictionary. Nowhere does it say that your rival/competitor must have an arrogant attitude or that rivals must hate each other. God, how come so many people don't get it? :confused: Besides, all arrogant rivals all the time get boring. :yawn:

Oh, and there will never be a new Harley. Ever! :p

Well, maybe so. But Zoey is not a character that gets you excited of seeing her get defeated.

When Dawn beats Zoey, my reaction would be "She beat her, great." No real excitement like when May beat Drew finally. But that is just my opinion.

[Terror of Death]

Dawn does have rivals in Zoey and Kenny; Zoey in particular is the one that Dawn can't beat yet. Look up the term "rival" in the dictionary. Nowhere does it say that your rival/competitor must have an arrogant attitude or that rivals must hate each other. God, how come so many people don't get it? :confused: Besides, all arrogant rivals all the time get boring. :yawn:

Zoey and Kenny are easily the most boring recurring rivals in the show. I wouldn't mind if Dawn got a rival who she constantly clashes with in each encounter or at least a rival with more personality. With Paul, Gary(before he became a researcher), Harley, and Drew I would always be excited when they appeared but with Kenny and Zoey I couldnt care less if they returned. Theres nothing to look forward to when they arrive. The one shot contest characters are more interesting than them.

[Lazerboy5000]

I loved this one, even though they teased a gym battle and it didn't happen.
The bonding moments between Brock and James was hillarous, it is like the time they both fell in love with a girl that was a ghost Pokemon.
I also enjoyed the Brock and James bonding moment. It goes to show that James is probably the least evil of the three of them. Unfortunatly Jessie is too arrogant to listen to James.
I think we have found our new Harley, I think we have not seen the last of Coco (however you spell her name), I think she will be a thorn at Dawn's side in the future.

Speaking of which, it reminds me that Dawn doesn't have a real rival, a character that she just can't beat and has a arrogant attitude about it, that you just can't till Dawn finally beats, like Gary and Paul for Ash, like Drew for May. I thought maybe we found that today, but it turned out not to be.
Now, I don't think Chouko (serebii.net spelling) will be a rival of Dawn's. Remember that this wasn't a contest, just a pokemon fashion show. I don't think we'll see her again.

Dawn does have rivals. Now, their different types of rivals than Ash and May has. Dawn/Kenny is a childhood rivalry and Dawn/Zoey is a friendship rivalry. Now, May's rivals were much more intense, I'll give you that, but I wouldn't go as far as Dawn not having any "real" rivals. And Ash/Paul is a pure hate rivalry (my favorite :evil: ).


Now I thought the episode was kind of random. Paris just showed out of nowhere. But I was suprised that she regonized Ash for winning the tag battle. I was even more suprised when she asked Ash to enter the fashon show. Hearthome City is sure full of activities. I was expecting Dawn to enter in it as well, but like I said, Ash entering was quite the suprise.

But I think this episdoe shows how talented Dawn is as a cordinator. Having her win the Fashion show was quite the upset. I have to give her props for that. I don't know why she would want to pass on that fashion shoot. Wasn't that the whole point of the episode?

Now this is the second time Ash has to wait. I'm getting the feeling that this will probably be the last gym battle for Ash. And without question his toughest. The gym leader is supposedly learning an entirely new battle style. That should come up in that battle for sure. I can't wait for that battle.

[Mad Mod 49]

Zoey and Kenny are easily the most boring recurring rivals in the show. I wouldn't mind if Dawn got a rival who she constantly clashes with in each encounter or at least a rival with more personality. With Paul, Gary(before he became a researcher), Harley, and Drew I would always be excited when they appeared but with Kenny and Zoey I couldnt care less if they returned. Theres nothing to look forward to when they arrive. The one shot contest characters are more interesting than them.

The only valid case you could make against characters like Zoey and Kenny is that they have underdeveloped personalities but there are many characters like that in this series (including the main characters for crying out loud!). Other than that, I think that rivals acting like jerks all the time would be even more boring! In fact, that's why I currently find Paul just as boring as Dawn's rivals, if not more so. Gary and Harley, I'll give you, were interesting rivals and Drew was at least more annoying than boring when he was a jerk. Paul just has no redeeming qualities. :yawn:

And how the hell are the one shot coordinators more interstring? They're just coordinators with gimmicks that we'll never see again. :confused:

Dawn does have rivals. Now, their different types of rivals than Ash and May has. Dawn/Kenny is a childhood rivalry and Dawn/Zoey is a friendship rivalry. Now, May's rivals were much more intense, I'll give you that, but I wouldn't go as far as Dawn not having any "real" rivals. And Ash/Paul is a pure hate rivalry (my favorite :evil: )

Yes, exactly. Rivalries don't have to all be the same. And while I don't care for Paul, his hate-filled rivalry with Ash is enough for this arc. Having more hate-rivalries would overcomplicate things even more than they already have been.

[Light Lucario]

Dawn does have rivals in Zoey and Kenny; Zoey in particular is the one that Dawn can't beat yet. Look up the term "rival" in the dictionary. Nowhere does it say that your rival/competitor must have an arrogant attitude or that rivals must hate each other. God, how come so many people don't get it? :confused: Besides, all arrogant rivals all the time get boring. :yawn:

I definitely see your point about how having all the rivals with the same attitudes would be boring. I honestly don't see Paul as a boring rival, but I see and value your opinion. My main problem with Dawn's rivals is that they're not that interesting at all. Zoey had some interesting sparks at Dawn's first Contest with her thing against Gym battles and her Glameow, but I don't think that lasted long. Both Zoey and Kenny don't have sparks of interesting personalities like other rivals have in the past. Even though Nando is doing both Contests and Gym battles, he's practically forgotten by now.

I don't think that a rival has to be arrogant or mean. I remember Morrison from the Advance Battle season and I thought that he was one of Ash's best rivals for his funny and nice personality. He was even good friends with Ash during the Hoenn League, thus making their match all the more intense. I don't mind a friendly rivalry. I just think that the rivals need some strong and interesting personalities that make them stand out, which Dawn's rivals lack completely.

Oh, and there will never be a new Harley. Ever! :p

Quoted for complete and total truth. Harley is the best rival May ever had, though Drew kind of ties with him, at least in some aspects. I did love their battle in the Kanto Grand Festival.

But I think this episdoe shows how talented Dawn is as a cordinator. Having her win the Fashion show was quite the upset. I have to give her props for that. I don't know why she would want to pass on that fashion shoot. Wasn't that the whole point of the episode?

Now this is the second time Ash has to wait. I'm getting the feeling that this will probably be the last gym battle for Ash. And without question his toughest. The gym leader is supposedly learning an entirely new battle style. That should come up in that battle for sure. I can't wait for that battle.

Well, my guess is that the fashion shoot would be the goal of a Pokemon Stylist and since Dawn is a Coordinator, she didn't see a reason to really go for it. Besides that, it would have delayed the journey for Ash's gym battles and her Pokemon Contests too long for the writers' tastes. But that's just my guess. I'm sure that this is a typo, but this is definitely not Ash's last gym battle. I'm sure that he'll find the gym leader soon and we'll have a real good battle on our hands.

As for the episode, I thought that it was kind of cute. I was surprised that the Hearthome Gym was still closed. I figured that since they made it to Hearthome again for the second time, Ash would get his gym battle. Nice twist that the writers had made here. It was weird how Paris just showed up out of nowhere and then asked Dawn and Ash, of all people, to enter into the Styling Contest. Yeah, that was definitely random. But at least Dawn was going to use her Buneary for the contest, instead of Piplup yet again. She definitely needs to balance out her team more.

I was also annoyed with Coco the moment she came in. She seemed pretty full of herself. I also didn't like how she yelled at Buneary for barely touching her and Dawn actually apologized. If I was in the situation, I wouldn't let anyone yell at any of my Pokemon like that.

Anyway, it was nice that Brock helped out with all of their costumes. Although, I honestly thought that the outfits for Ash and Pikachu were pretty bad, as well as the whole routine. The clothes were pretty much like something from Tarzan and the appeal with Iron Tail and sparks from Thunderbolt felt kind of weak to me. I really liked how James bonded with Brock over how they designed their outfits though. I felt really bad for James when Jessie ruined his asscorities with all of that make-up. At least Brock understood him. That was one of my favorite parts of the episode.

Desite being annoying and mean, Coco was pretty good with her appeal. Definitely a tough act for Dawn to follow, but she pulled it off. I actually thought that her Buneary looked really adorable bouncing up like that, doing Ice Beam and pretending to be a snow fairy. Now that was cute. I felt bad for James when Jessie and Meowth were trying to steal the show like that. That's why he's my favorite member of Team Rocket. He shows more of his soft side and how kind he is more often than Jessie does. Though Meowth is a really close second in that department.

At least they were able to defeat Team Rocket before the prizes were given. I know that Ash and Pikachu had to be in the top three just because he's the main character but if Jessie hadn't messed up with the make-up, I would have wanted her in third place instead. I love Ash and Pikachu, but that appeal just felt weak. I wasn't surprised that Dawn won though. She is the Coordinator of the group and I doubt that Coco would have won the moment she showed her stuck-up attiude. I did like at the end that Dawn and Buneary got their own little crowns.

Overall, it was a fun and cute little episode. Some parts were kind of weak, but Brock and James bonding like that and Dawn using her cute little Buneary made it worth while. I'm definitely looking foreword to the next episode next week.

[CyberCubed]

This episode was alright. Just another competition for Ash and Dawn to enter. We seem to have a lot of these this saga.

[Terror of Death]

In fact, that's why I currently find Paul just as boring as Dawn's rivals, if not more so. Gary and Harley, I'll give you, were interesting rivals and Drew was at least more annoying than boring when he was a jerk. Paul just has no redeeming qualities. :yawn:

You may dislike Paul but I personally think hes the best thing to happen to this show since the introduction of May and contest battles. I look forward each and every one of his appearances even if just a cameo. Even more so than contests and gym battles. Hes definitely one of my favorite anime characters. That's why I think Dawn needs a badass rival like Paul. Dawn's rival doesn't need to be an exact copy of Paul or even arrogant, just someone who really gets under her skin and has different ideals. It'll make the show a lot more enjoyable for me.

[zoombie]

You may dislike Paul but I personally think hes the best thing to happen to this show since the introduction of May and contest battles. I look forward each and every one of his appearances even if just a cameo. Even more so than contests and gym battles. Hes definitely one of my favorite anime characters. That's why I think Dawn needs a badass rival like Paul. Dawn's rival doesn't need to be an exact copy of Paul or even arrogant, just someone who really gets under her skin and has different ideals. It'll make the show a lot more enjoyable for me.

Yeah, Ash and Gary were friends, and they still had a level of competiveness that made it entertaining.

[Mad Mod 49]

You may dislike Paul but I personally think hes the best thing to happen to this show since the introduction of May and contest battles. I look forward each and every one of his appearances even if just a cameo. Even more so than contests and gym battles. Hes definitely one of my favorite anime characters. That's why I think Dawn needs a badass rival like Paul. Dawn's rival doesn't need to be an exact copy of Paul or even arrogant, just someone who really gets under her skin and has different ideals. It'll make the show a lot more enjoyable for me.

I'll respect your opinion but to me, Paul is just the cliche shonen rival character. He's like Sasuke Uchiha only not quite as annoying and over-glorifyed. I don't watch the show much but I'm still waiting for a turning point in Paul's character and his rivalry with Ash that will really shake things up. So far, that has yet to happen. You say he's "badass", but I ain't seeing how being a one-note jerk is so badass....unless you seperate the words, that is. :shrug:

But seriously, Paul is one of your favorite anime characters? Are you...quite sure there's nothing wrong with you?

[Lazerboy5000]

The only valid case you could make against characters like Zoey and Kenny is that they have underdeveloped personalities but there are many characters like that in this series (including the main characters for crying out loud!). Other than that, I think that rivals acting like jerks all the time would be even more boring! In fact, that's why I currently find Paul just as boring as Dawn's rivals, if not more so. Gary and Harley, I'll give you, were interesting rivals and Drew was at least more annoying than boring when he was a jerk. Paul just has no redeeming qualities. :yawn:
Well, I think the one reason why Paul was sure an interesting rivalry is becuase, for one he was the first ture rival Ash has had since Gary, and two tihs was a pure hate rivalry. May and Harley had a hate rivalry as well, but Paul/Ash were just on a totally different level. Plus you have the fact that despite Paul and Ash being really different at first glace, they truely have more in common then they would like to admit.

Yes, exactly. Rivalries don't have to all be the same. And while I don't care for Paul, his hate-filled rivalry with Ash is enough for this arc. Having more hate-rivalries would overcomplicate things even more than they already have been.
I agree with you completely here. Having all hate rivalries would be kind of boring.

Well, my guess is that the fashion shoot would be the goal of a Pokemon Stylist and since Dawn is a Coordinator, she didn't see a reason to really go for it. Besides that, it would have delayed the journey for Ash's gym battles and her Pokemon Contests too long for the writers' tastes. But that's just my guess. I'm sure that this is a typo, but this is definitely not Ash's last gym battle. I'm sure that he'll find the gym leader soon and we'll have a real good battle on our hands.

It's not a typo. I just think that this will be Ash's last gym battle. He will probalby go and collect the other 7 badges first, then come back to Hearthome for the final showdown. Regardless, I'm hoping that this battle will be epic.

[Light Lucario]

It's not a typo. I just think that this will be Ash's last gym battle. He will probalby go and collect the other 7 badges first, then come back to Hearthome for the final showdown. Regardless, I'm hoping that this battle will be epic.

Oh, you mean Ash's last gym battle for the Sinnoh region. That makes more sense to me. I thought that you mean his last gym battle ever. My mistake. I don't think that the writers would delay the fifth gym battle for that long. While its true that they chose to not have the battle happen after Ash his friends came to Hearthome City a second time, like what happens in the game, I think that they'll go off and try to find the gym leader or bump into her along the way and Ash will have a match with her right then and there.

[NewcomerDC]

A shame that not even PUSA could have a "In Memory Of" title card for Maddie Blaustein even though she wasn't doing Meowth around the time Pokemone switched companies. That would had been good to see after this episode.

Dumb thing about this episode: every time Cocoa showed off her looks, the show pauses and makes her scenes look like oil paintings. It was stupid and unneeded.

Anyone got a Edna Mode feeling when we saw Madame Hermoine? As a matter of fact, why name her Hermoine instead of making something like Medna Bode or another one of those silly American names? The woman looked nothing like Emma Watson or even had a fake British accent so coming up with a name like Madame Hermoine was paaaathetic.

Now Dawn ditching her future of working for Poke Chic to continue going with Ash and Brock on more repetitive adventures that rip-off other better stories from earlier in the series? I call that a cop-out. I mean not only did we almost get the chance of ending Dawn's journey earlier than May's from the end of the Hoenn era, it made me think about why do we need Dawn? If anything, we had our times with Dawn so it's time to move on and bring back Jun or do a spin-off with Dawn going on her own adventures.

[yoshirider13]

A shame that not even PUSA could have a "In Memory Of" title card for Maddie Blaustein even though she wasn't doing Meowth around the time Pokemone switched companies. That would had been good to see after this episode.

Dumb thing about this episode: every time Cocoa showed off her looks, the show pauses and makes her scenes look like oil paintings. It was stupid and unneeded.

Anyone got a Edna Mode feeling when we saw Madame Hermoine? As a matter of fact, why name her Hermoine instead of making something like Medna Bode or another one of those silly American names? The woman looked nothing like Emma Watson or even had a fake British accent so coming up with a name like Madame Hermoine was paaaathetic.

Now Dawn ditching her future of working for Poke Chic to continue going with Ash and Brock on more repetitive adventures that rip-off other better stories from earlier in the series? I call that a cop-out. I mean not only did we almost get the chance of ending Dawn's journey earlier than May's from the end of the Hoenn era, it made me think about why do we need Dawn? If anything, we had our times with Dawn so it's time to move on and bring back Jun or do a spin-off with Dawn going on her own adventures.You know its weird i thought Hermione looked like Maddie....

[MetroSparkster]

It was great they didn't make Lopunny the so-called Playboy Bunny most portrayed.

But it was too bad it didn't get much screentime, Just like Shinx in the Poketch episode.

[Mr. Ralph]

A shame that not even PUSA could have a "In Memory Of" title card for Maddie Blaustein even though she wasn't doing Meowth around the time Pokemone switched companies. That would had been good to see after this episode.
this episode was probably dubbed and sent to cartoon network months ago.

[Light Lucario]

You know its weird i thought Hermione looked like Maddie....

I'm glad that I wasn't the only one who thought that too. In fact, I remember someone on a Pokemon forum sending Maddie a picture of Hermione when this episode aired in Japan and she was also surprised that it looked so much like her.

A shame that not even PUSA could have a "In Memory Of" title card for Maddie Blaustein even though she wasn't doing Meowth around the time Pokemone switched companies. That would had been good to see after this episode.

While it would have been wonderful for PUSA to do something like that and I do admit I was hoping that they would do a nice little tribute for Maddie out of respect, I also wasn't too shocked that they didn't. It definitely would have worked since Hermoine looked so much like Maddie, but maybe they couldn't do it right now. Maybe they had already give the episode to CN and they were unable to do something like that. 4Kids did it with two of their shows, but they were willing to do that since she was one of their voice actresses and they owned the time slots on their two Saturday morning blocks so they could do something like this. PUSA doesn't own the time slot for Pokemon like that.

Dumb thing about this episode: every time Cocoa showed off her looks, the show pauses and makes her scenes look like oil paintings. It was stupid and unneeded.

While I do agree that it felt odd to do that every time Coco showed off her looks, I thought that they were doing that as a way to show how stuck-up and full of herself she is. Of course, her personality gave that away fairly quickly anyway.

Anyone got a Edna Mode feeling when we saw Madame Hermoine? As a matter of fact, why name her Hermoine instead of making something like Medna Bode or another one of those silly American names? The woman looked nothing like Emma Watson or even had a fake British accent so coming up with a name like Madame Hermoine was paaaathetic.

Well, it wasn't that odd. While Hermoine is a name often associated with the Harry Potter series, books and the movies, I'm sure that there are plenty of people with that name even before the series started. Besides that, it's only a name and I don't see it as that big of a deal.

Now Dawn ditching her future of working for Poke Chic to continue going with Ash and Brock on more repetitive adventures that rip-off other better stories from earlier in the series? I call that a cop-out. I mean not only did we almost get the chance of ending Dawn's journey earlier than May's from the end of the Hoenn era, it made me think about why do we need Dawn? If anything, we had our times with Dawn so it's time to move on and bring back Jun or do a spin-off with Dawn going on her own adventures.

Okay, I know that some of the episodes of this season were like some episodes from earlier in the series, like Pikachu fighting against that Raichu and Jessie releasing her Dustox, but that doesn't mean that they're rip-offs. Sure, some Pokemon episodes can be remakes, such as Some Enchanted Sweeting feels a lot like a less interesting version of The Problem with Paras, but that doesn't mean all of the episodes that connect back to older episodes are rip-offs. Besides that, I think the reason the writers do that is because of how their audience constantly changes so the people that are watching the series now probably weren't there when Pokemon first started.

I also don't see how Dawn could have left in the first place. She never said that she wanted to do the Pokemon fashion stuff at all. She had heard about Paris before because of how she reads the Pokemon fashion magazines, or something of that nature. She never said that she would take up the fashion job offer if she won either. The only reason she even entered the fashion contest was because Paris suggested it to her and her Buneary. That and to just have fun most likely. Plus, if she had left, then what would have been the point of her struggles as a coordinator and going for Pokemon Contests and the Grand Festival? It would have felt like a huge plot hole to me if they had just let her go without resolving her story as a coordinator, not to mention her depressed mode after losing twice in a row would have felt competely pointless.

Dawn is the coordinator of the group and I don't think that will change at all. The reason she is there is because she's part of promoting the Diamond and Pearl games since she is the fourth generation trainer girl. The writers need her to promote Contests, just as they did with May in AG. Although I feel that May is a more interesting character than Dawn, as well as having a better develop team by the time she had five Pokemon for the first time, I think that Dawn will stick around for the rest of the Sinnoh saga at least. She may also stay for awhile longer if they go for another kind Battle Frontier thing, or explore that island you can go to at the end of the game in Sinnoh, but I think she'll leave once they reach the fifth generation region in the anime. And then move on with another female character who will also, most likely, be into Contests. Unless they think of another different mode of battling for that character to do.

No offense, but I'm actually surprised that you are kind of tired of Dawn. I can totally understand where you're coming from, but she's only been in the series for almost two full seasons. It isn't like she's been there for a long time. I usually only hear of people complaining about how her Piplup has too much screentime and overshadows her other Pokemon, which I completely agree with. Like I said earlier, Dawn is her to promote the Contests in D/P as May did in AG, so until a new generation comes up in the series, Dawn will be sticking around awhile longer.

[Lazerboy5000]

Anyone got a Edna Mode feeling when we saw Madame Hermoine? As a matter of fact, why name her Hermoine instead of making something like Medna Bode or another one of those silly American names? The woman looked nothing like Emma Watson or even had a fake British accent so coming up with a name like Madame Hermoine was paaaathetic.
I think it's like what Light Lucario said, it's true that Hermoine is most popular for being a character in the Harry Potter series, but I'm sure that's not the only place it appears in. But why would they want to use a still American names ever since time. It would show that there would be no diversity. I didn't have a problem with her name being Hermoine. It's just a name after all.

[djthomp]

Catching up on the episodes I missed, this one was pretty good. It seems appropriate that Ash effectively got the award for being "special".