View Full Version : Do you think CN should get rid of all live action
tdifan88
10-26-2008, 12:56 AM
Do you think CN should have animation ONLY no live action I dont think they should I like Cn just the way it is(Well I like it with animation and a little live action.) But I was wondering what the members of toonzone felt about it.
TheVileOne
10-26-2008, 01:03 AM
Well they got rid of Out of Jimmy's Head. That's a start. That show was God awful.
Yeah, but it ain't happening.
RonDrakenfan17
10-26-2008, 02:46 AM
I'd be fine if they did. Its for Cartoons only. But hey Cartoon Network is crazy like this where they'll change it up to some thing they shouldn't :p
R-Taco
10-26-2008, 03:53 AM
What's the name of the network? Oh yeah.
konohamaru
10-26-2008, 07:33 AM
It called Cartoon network....Movies in the Mix dont sit well for me atleast.
Dudley
10-26-2008, 09:13 AM
Yes, they should.
Blackstar
10-26-2008, 09:56 AM
Yes, they should, but honestly, except for Goosebumps (which probably is only around until Halloween) and the occasional live action movies on The Flicks, what live action does CN even have (and no, commercials don't count as programming)? CN current schedule is about 95% animation, so what's the point of complaining about it?
A thread like this would have been more relevant last year when Out of Jimmy's Head and Fried Dynamite were running on the network, although the latter was just a program block, not a show in and of itself.
Silverstar
10-26-2008, 10:02 AM
Ideally, yes, but realistically as long as live-action projects continue to bring in ratings, they're not going anywhere.
What people tend to forget is that Cartoon Network has never been totally devoid of live-action; if we cast our memories back, CN had Carrot Top's A.M. Mayhem, with the comedian himself appearing in live-action wraparounds, Space Ghost: Coast to Coast with its' live-action guest stars, Hootenanny, with hand puppets interacting with live kids, special wraparounds for the Super Bowl, etc, with live sports commentators, Sunday Pants with its' live band appearing between segments and the Weighty Decisions bits in which animated characters interacted with a live actor, Fried Dynamite with its' live kid wraparounds and of course Fridays with live hosts Tommy and Nzinga (later Tara), The Big Guy Shimmy and all that. So it's not like there's never been any live-action on CN up to this point.
Really, aside from Goosebumps and the odd live-action movie, there isn't a great deal of live-action on CN; at least not so much that it should be considered an issue. To date they've only tried one first-run live-action series, the infamous Out of Jimmy's Head, which is gone now, and even that featured some animation.
Plo_Koon
10-26-2008, 10:24 AM
The only live action stuff is movies and it is fine to have those every once in a while.
Ideally, yes, but realistically as long as live-action projects continue to bring in ratings, they're not going anywhere.
What people tend to forget is that Cartoon Network has never been totally devoid of live-action; if we cast our memories back, CN had Carrot Top's A.M. Mayhem, with the comedian himself appearing in live-action wraparounds, Space Ghost: Coast to Coast with its' live-action guest stars, Hootenanny, with hand puppets interacting with live kids, special wraparounds for the Super Bowl, etc, with live sports commentators, Sunday Pants with its' live band appearing between segments and the Weighty Decisions bits in which animated characters interacted with a live actor, Fried Dynamite with its' live kid wraparounds and of course Fridays with live hosts Tommy and Nzinga (later Tara), The Big Guy Shimmy and all that. So it's not like there's never been any live-action on CN up to this point.
Really, aside from Goosebumps and the odd live-action movie, there isn't a great deal of live-action on CN; at least not so much that it should be considered an issue. To date they've only tried one first-run live-action series, the infamous Out of Jimmy's Head, which is gone now, and even that featured some animation.
Hootenanny?
Blackstar
10-26-2008, 10:31 AM
Hootenanny was a prime time program block that showed mostly old school H-B toons and was hosted by a pair of hands with faces drawn on them called "Hoss" and "Little Joe", who also appeared in wraparounds for the weekday afternoon lineup. This was around 1995-1996, IIRC.
You know, that seems like something the Fried Dynamite crew would do.
creativerealms
10-26-2008, 11:35 AM
Should? Of course. Will? Probably not. Live action as shown to do well on the ratings and so it's here to stay.
Mickialla
10-26-2008, 12:35 PM
Well, duh. It's Cartoon Network. But it's not going to happen anytime soon, like it's been said a million times. If live-action brings in dough, it's going to air again. But even now, asides from the Flicks, which are dominantly Live-action and with only one third (so far) being animated, live-action is dying on the network. There's no live-action blocks (DAS will probably be repackaged soon) and no live-action shows (Hopefully Goosebumps won't be sticking around for long). The only other thing to complain about is the Live Action Original Movies they're doing, and there's only one pure live action one in that.
soundmonkey44
10-26-2008, 12:41 PM
Personally I don't mind live action if its decently entertaining (Like GOOSEBUMPS) But I don't think CN should have live action shows on Year round. I mean I hated out of Jimmy's head with a passion. But lets Say CN or AS started showing Reruns of live action shows like Smallville or Supernatural. I'd be fine with that. But I also think CN should Try to Stick to Cartoons only as much as possible!:p
Mickialla
10-26-2008, 12:51 PM
Personally I don't mind live action if its decently entertaining (Like GOOSEBUMPS) But I don't think CN should have live action shows on Year round. I mean I hated out of Jimmy's head with a passion. But lets Say CN or AS started showing Reruns of live action shows like Smallville or Supernatural. I'd be fine with that. But I also think CN should Try to Stick to Cartoons only as much as possible!:p
That's kind of a bias. That means you're saying you don't like live action unless the show is good. If the network is Cartoon Network, shouldn't you either completely reject or completely accept the medium?
It's no different from when Kamen Rider was supposed to air on CN. Somehow, OOJH was not okay, but people accepted Kamen Rider in droves.
DarthGonzo
10-26-2008, 01:02 PM
It's no different from when Kamen Rider was supposed to air on CN. Somehow, OOJH was not okay, but people accepted Kamen Rider in droves.
Prolly because it's an action show of Japanese origin. Stuff like that is apparently ok. :p
Mickialla
10-26-2008, 01:06 PM
It's no different from when Kamen Rider was supposed to air on CN. Somehow, OOJH was not okay, but people accepted Kamen Rider in droves.
Well, I wasn't on the forum at the time, but I was definitely not ok with Kamen Rider's supposed airing. I don't care where it's from or how good it is, live action is live action.
Silverstar
10-26-2008, 01:07 PM
Personally I don't mind live action if its decently entertaining (Like GOOSEBUMPS) But I don't think CN should have live action shows on Year round. I mean I hated out of Jimmy's head with a passion. But lets Say CN or AS started showing Reruns of live action shows like Smallville or Supernatural. I'd be fine with that. But I also think CN should Try to Stick to Cartoons only as much as possible!:p
^Statements like this bother me, because there's a double standard at work here. People who say "I'm not in favor of live-action on CN unless it's good live-action (i.e., a show I like)" is like someone saying "I wouldn't mind seeing porno on Noggin as long as it's good quality porno". Smallville and Supernatural don't belong on CN any more than Out of Jimmy's Head did. (In fact, if anything OOJH deserved to be on CN more that these aforementioned shows, because OOJH at least had cartoons in it.)
It's the same mentality that last year had people cursing OOJH's very existence while at the same time these same people were chomping at the bit to see Kamen Rider when it looked like that show was coming to CN. Stick to your guns; you're either fer somethin' or yer agin' it. Don't flip-flop opinions based on personal biases or tastes, I say.
MasterofRoku
10-26-2008, 01:09 PM
Personally, if they're going to show a Live Action movie on the Network:
1. It's gotta be based off a cartoon (Spiderman)
2. Be a hyrbrid: Live action/Cartoon (Looney Tunes Back in Action, Space Jam, etc)
If they're doing a hybrid show, the cartoon characters should have just as much screen time as the human characters.
Hoenstly, the reason I didn't like Out of jimmy's Head was that the show's premise was a bit bland and dumb. And I didn't think it deserved to be a a series, in the first place. :yawn: :shrug:
Blackstar
10-26-2008, 01:15 PM
Personally I don't mind live action if its decently entertaining (Like GOOSEBUMPS) But I don't think CN should have live action shows on Year round. I mean I hated out of Jimmy's head with a passion. But lets Say CN or AS started showing Reruns of live action shows like Smallville or Supernatural. I'd be fine with that. But I also think CN should Try to Stick to Cartoons only as much as possible!:p
Tcha, you know what? Uh-uh. Regardless of how fond you may be about Goosebumps, Smallville or Supernatural, the fact remains that these are still live action series and as such, they have no business airing on CARTOON Network. I mean, Saving Private Ryan was a great war drama, but that doesn't mean that I think it should be airing on Comedy Central. Farscape was a great sci-fi series, but I don't think it should be airing on the Food Network. You're either for live action on CN or you're against it. There's no point even taking a stance on this matter if you're going to make exceptions for the shows that you happen to like.
Racattack!Force
10-26-2008, 01:18 PM
As long as the weekly schedule is 95% (or more) made up of animation, then I don't really care too much. But it would be awesome if the channel went back to 100% animation. :anime:
Taco Wiz
10-26-2008, 01:23 PM
Personally, if they're going to show a Live Action movie on the Network:
1. It's gotta be based off a cartoon (Spiderman)
2. Be a hyrbrid: Live action/Cartoon (Looney Tunes Back in Action, Space Jam, etc)
If they're doing a hybrid show, the cartoon characters should have just as much screen time as the human characters.
Agreed.
Super Sonic
10-26-2008, 01:42 PM
I'm too grateful that Out of Jimmy's Head is off the air to care about CN airing live action movies and old Goosebumps episodes.
But I'd still like CN to take the live action programming off the air.
Dr.Pepper
10-26-2008, 01:57 PM
Of course they should get rid of live action, but that will only happen when pigs learn to fly.
Antiyonder
10-26-2008, 03:34 PM
Ideally, yes, but realistically as long as live-action projects continue to bring in ratings, they're not going anywhere.
What people tend to forget is that Cartoon Network has never been totally devoid of live-action; if we cast our memories back, CN had Carrot Top's A.M. Mayhem, with the comedian himself appearing in live-action wraparounds, Space Ghost: Coast to Coast with its' live-action guest stars, Hootenanny, with hand puppets interacting with live kids, special wraparounds for the Super Bowl, etc, with live sports commentators, Sunday Pants with its' live band appearing between segments and the Weighty Decisions bits in which animated characters interacted with a live actor, Fried Dynamite with its' live kid wraparounds and of course Fridays with live hosts Tommy and Nzinga (later Tara), The Big Guy Shimmy and all that. So it's not like there's never been any live-action on CN up to this point.
As long as animation is relevent to the show (such as Space Ghost Coast To Coast), then it fits. And as much as it's poorly put together, OOJH qualifies too.
Now frankly I think a couple of these ideas could work as live action shows without betraying the theme of the network:
1. This idea I can't claim credit to, but someone suggested a reality show type program which features contest between aspiring writers who want to bring their talent to Cartoon Network with the winner getting to write the next Cartoon Network Original series. Somewhat like the World Premiere Toon In.
2. Seeing that Star Wars preview, I personally think they should do a regular behind the scenes series which shows how a cartoon is put together (i.e., voice work, drawings, test audience). Plus it would be good viewing for viewers who hope to pursue a career in animation.
Mickialla
10-26-2008, 04:09 PM
1. This idea I can't claim credit to, but someone suggested a reality show type program which features contest between aspiring writers who want to bring their talent to Cartoon Network with the winner getting to write the next Cartoon Network Original series. Somewhat like the World Premiere Toon In.
2. Seeing that Star Wars preview, I personally think they should do a regular behind the scenes series which shows how a cartoon is put together (i.e., voice work, drawings, test audience). Plus it would be good viewing for viewers who hope to pursue a career in animation.
Both those ideas are pretty good, though I doubt kids would be interested, at least not the younger kids
Master Toon
10-26-2008, 04:40 PM
I think there should only be cartoons since:
A) It's called Cartoon Network
B) The 24/7 cartoons is what got me hooked to the channel. Had I saw live action that night, I might not have known about any of my favorite cartoon series.
C) It just doesn't look right and I feel dirty whenever I watch live action the network. It's like I'm showering with food.
D) No offense to any parents but kids today are a little.. uh.. special. They might mistake live action comedies for cartoons. This isn't a major problem or anything but it's kinda sad.
creativerealms
10-26-2008, 04:52 PM
D) No offense to any parents but kids today are a little.. uh.. special. They might mistake live action comedies for cartoons. This isn't a major problem or anything but it's kinda sad.
That is one of the most offensive and wrong things I have ever read. I don't know where to begin to comment.
Light Lucario
10-26-2008, 05:14 PM
D) No offense to any parents but kids today are a little.. uh.. special. They might mistake live action comedies for cartoons. This isn't a major problem or anything but it's kinda sad.
How on earth are kids going to mistake live-action comedies for cartoons? By special, I guess you mean mentally challenged or something to that effect? If that's the case, that definitely seems quite insulting. I would think that anyone could tell the difference between live-action and cartoons. One involves cameras, scripts and actors and the other involves artists, designers and voice actors. I think kids are smarter than what you're giving them credit for.
Anyway, as for the question, I don't really care if CN has live-action on their schedule. When people were getting upset about Out of Jimmy's Head, I couldn't understand why considering I remembered watching a live action show on CN beforehand. I believe it was Out of the Box/Bag or something of that nature, involving puppets and children. There was also, of course, Bananna Splits, of which half was live-action, including some of the segments they aired. I know that CN was suppose to be 24/7 cartoons, but live action has always been a part of the channel. Outside of Goosebumps and some of the movies on Flicks, the rest of their programs are cartoons. So I honestly don't see the need to get so worked up about this. If you don't think that live-action should be on CN, that's fine. But there's no need to complain about it. That's not going to change the schedule and it is really simple to just watch/do something else.
The show was called Big Bag. And I don't recall it ever having animated segments.
Sketch
10-26-2008, 05:22 PM
It's no different from when Kamen Rider was supposed to air on CN. Somehow, OOJH was not okay, but people accepted Kamen Rider in droves.
Only the toku nerds accepted Kamen Rider on CN because they didn't want it to get cut to ribbons. Some did accept it on the terms of being a decent show even though it's live action. I never did. I'm glad it got sent to Saturday mornings.
OOJH at least has cartoons in it but it was pretty awful show so I'm glad it's gone.
Live-action movies based on cartoons is fare game I suppose.
What needs to be removed immediately is Goosebumps and random live-action movies that have nothing to do with cartoons.
DarthGonzo
10-26-2008, 05:26 PM
I still can't fathom how any of this live action stuff is really a big deal considering 95% of what CN shows is still animated. Do some of you guys watch this channel that much that the fact that the network shows one live action series (which most likely will be gone within a month) and a handful of live-action films is really a big deal. When something comes on that you dont want to watch why not change the channel, or shut the TV off entirely? Nobody is forcing anyone to watch CN 24/7.
Really, I don't get this.
Racattack!Force
10-26-2008, 05:30 PM
I still can't fathom how any of this live action stuff is really a big deal considering 95% of what CN shows is still animated. Do some of you guys watch this channel that much that the fact that the network shows one live action series (which most likely will be gone within a month) and a handful of live-action films is really a big deal. When something comes on that you dont want to watch why not change the channel, or shut the TV off entirely? Nobody is forcing anyone to watch CN 24/7.
Really, I don't get this.
We need reasons to hate stuff. Even if the thing is awesome or improving, we have to find something wrong with it. That's what I see from this anyway.
Either way, I agree with DarthGonzo. I hardly notice the live-action movies let alone watch them, and Goosebumps will probably get a much limited presence after Halloween. CN is 95% animated, and most of that 95% is good stuff, and that's alright by my standards.
DarthGonzo
10-26-2008, 05:38 PM
We need reasons to hate stuff. Even if the thing is awesome or improving, we have to find something wrong with it.
You my friend just described the internet in a nutshell.
Racattack!Force
10-26-2008, 05:48 PM
You my friend just described the internet in a nutshell.
Thank you. :D Though I think the anger is justified this week, since the channel is 80% animation this week, due to the Goosebumps marathon.
Lord Mawdryn
10-26-2008, 06:12 PM
It starts off as CN being 95% animated...then one day, it's 90% animated...then 85% animated...and eventually you'll wonder why are four episodes of Saved By The Bell being run every day instead of cartoons?
:anime:
But CN really isn't doing anything that other cable networks aren't currently doing by expanding beyond its initial audience to get more viewers. Once upon a time, the appeal of cable networks was that they catered to specific audiences, unlike the much wider-aimed broadcast networks. But the distinction between cable and broadcast networks is continually blurring now, IMO...
Mickialla
10-26-2008, 06:15 PM
How on earth are kids going to mistake live-action comedies for cartoons? By special, I guess you mean mentally challenged or something to that effect? If that's the case, that definitely seems quite insulting. I would think that anyone could tell the difference between live-action and cartoons. One involves cameras, scripts and actors and the other involves artists, designers and voice actors. I think kids are smarter than what you're giving them credit for.
He wasn't really calling anyone mentally challenged. He was trying to say that kids today lack logic. If kids grow up from day 1 watching Cartoon Network and seeing live-action on it, they'll probably think that any kids show is called a "cartoon" because it is shown on "cartoon" network, whether it is animated or not. Frankly, I'm hoping that today's parents teach their kids this kind of stuff so that something like that won't happen, but yeah, I'm sure he didn't directly mean to offend by calling them mentally challenged.
The show was called Big Bag. And I don't recall it ever having animated segments.
I've heard it did.
As for complaining about live-action, I know that it's easy enough to just turn off the TV and "stop complaining". I've heard it a million times, on and off this forum. But if no one "complained" or proposed improvement, nothing would get done in the world. When it comes to live-action, the majority of it on the network doesn't bother me IF and only if:
1. It is based of a cartoon (i.e The Scooby-Doo movies)
2. It is a hybrid with a good deal of animation (LT: Back in Action, Space Jam)
Stuff like that I don't even count as live-action. The only reason I don't accept OOJH is because, though it was a hybrid, it didn't contain a good deal of animation. The story revolved around the cliche school issues of Jimmy Roberts, while the cartoons appeared maybe once or twice in an episode. When people say "it's only 95%, stop complaining". Does it really matter whether or not how much percent is live-action?? The point is it's live-action. Shouldn't a network stick to its principles? Ideally, yes they should. That means that something that has no relation to cartoons (i.e Cheaper by the Dozen, Goosebumps). We're not lining up at CN's broadcasting studio in mob form, we're just proposing improvement.
Dr.Pepper
10-26-2008, 06:25 PM
D) No offense to any parents but kids today are a little.. uh.. special. They might mistake live action comedies for cartoons. This isn't a major problem or anything but it's kinda sad.
I don't think that kids are any more "special" today then when they were years ago.
Master Toon
10-26-2008, 07:21 PM
He wasn't really calling anyone mentally challenged. He was trying to say that kids today lack logic. If kids grow up from day 1 watching Cartoon Network and seeing live-action on it, they'll probably think that any kids show is called a "cartoon" because it is shown on "cartoon" network, whether it is animated or not. Frankly, I'm hoping that today's parents teach their kids this kind of stuff so that something like that won't happen, but yeah, I'm sure he didn't directly mean to offend by calling them mentally challenged.
That's exactly what I meant. I myself have a 4 year old nephew and a 2 year old niece. I don't want them to see The Little Rascals or something and start calling it a cartoon.
I don't think that kids are any more "special" today then when they were years ago.
What about all of those impressionable kids that like to imitate cartoons and video games? When I was growing up, I didn't hear about it as much as I do today. But can we please move on with the discussion?
Ok, this thread has run its course. I believe the last thing this forum needs is yet another thread about "CN SHOULDN'T AIR LIVE-ACTION". It's really, really getting old and it nearly always end up with nothing but arguments that go nowhere.
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