Add All Old Cartoon Network Originals To Boomerang

[JeffreyTheMerman]

Who thinks that adding all of Cartoon Networks original old shows on Boomerang would be a good thing !

[SurgeV1]

I agree, it'd be a very good move. We already see the same old 60's-70's cartoons every day and some have even been shown, whole series numerous times in a row, some shows could get the boot and some of the older CN shows could be added, like Powerpuff Girls for example.

[Neo Ultra Mike]

Well considering that Boomerang has aired reruns of some of CN's Newer shows and the fact that some of the stuff on there clearly isn't just the old classic cartoons, I'd say it'd be a good idea. Espically considering we may never see stuff like Dexter's Lab or Johnny Bravo on the network again proper and they do deserve more then just occasional slots or having segments available to watch on CN Video.

[JeffreyTheMerman]

What old shows should appear first.

[Jayngfet]

I say moltar age toonami and doing it to the end. But thats just me. I want PPG. And batman beyond.

[EJLD4Ever]

What old shows should appear first.

Since Dexter, Cow & Chicken and Johnny Bravo were all 10 years old or more when they joined Boomerang, maybe PPG should be first, followed by Ed, Edd and Eddy. As for other, less successful shows (a la Mike, Lou and Og), I think the minimum age should be 5 years.

[creativerealms]

Real Adventures of Jonny Quest. Ok I realize it was on Boomerang for a short time but I feel it could be there longer. And it was one of Cartoon network's first originals. I would replace Voltron with it but that's me.

[Blackstar]

The one flaw in this idea is that people who don't get Boomerang would be left behind in the dust.

[lemonhead75]

First, I think they should all get their fair shot at CN.
Maybe a few slots on the weekends, for a week. And advertise. See how well they do. They might beat some of the current reruns.

And THEN, move the worse ones to Boomerang.
But give them a shot every other month.

[Mickialla]

I disagree. Boomerang was meant to be an outlet for all of the classics CN was moving to make room for originals. Wouldn't it be ironic if the classics that were pushed off of CN so they could air more originals got pushed of their own network so the very same originals could air?? Boomerang is a classics network. I think older anime can air like Speed Racer and Voltron. Heck, even DBZ and Gundam can air because they were made in like the 70's and 80's and only seem newer to us because they aired a decade or so later. But 90's CN shows shouldn't be on Boomerang. There's still room for them on Cartoon Network proper if the execs tried hard enough.

[Sketch]

I agree, moving more CN originals to Boomerang is only dilluting Boomerang's "classic" quota even further. So either make Boomerang CN2 while keep all those classics in rotation OR have CN proper air those older original series and let Boomerang remain a haven for vintage animation not airing anythng from the 00's onward.

[Fool's Gil]

Instead of Boomerang how about designating two hours on the weekends to Cartoon Network, and call the marathon block old school Toons. They would show each of the originals from start to finish, starting with Dexter's Lab. When that's done, go to Cow and Chicken, then Johnny Bravo, then so on, and so forth. Because I don't have Boomerang, and I have a thread about old toons being shown on the networks.

[Blackstar]

I still don't see why Cartoon Network can't show both cartoon-Cartoons and new programming. Like Silverstar said earlier, moving the Cartoon-Cartoons to Boomerang isn't a practical or commercially feasible idea unless Turner were to turn Boomerang into an ad supported channel like CN2 or the rumored channel from last year, Cartoon-Cartoon Network.

A better idea (I think) would be to devote certain hours of the day to the Cartoon-Cartoons. Turner has the shows, and CN has the time slots for them.

[Mickialla]

I agree they should just be aired on CN proper, but not in their own block. Putting them on a block called "Old School Toons" or something would make no sense. Dexter's Lab ended in '03, Bravo ended in '04, and PPG ended in '05, none are anywhere near being "old school". Cow and Chicken and I Am Weasel are the only show that ended before the turn of the century, and even they didn't end more than a decade ago. They all have enough episodes to be aired side by side next to shows like Flapjack, Chowder, TDI and Test.

[Silverstar]

Instead of Boomerang how about designating two hours on the weekends to Cartoon Network, and call the marathon block old school Toons. They would show each of the originals from start to finish, starting with Dexter's Lab. When that's done, go to Cow and Chicken, then Johnny Bravo, then so on, and so forth. Because I don't have Boomerang, and I have a thread about old toons being shown on the networks.

I like this idea better. Moving all of the Cartoon-Cartoons to Boomerang isn't all that feasible an idea because a) only a handful of people receive Boomerang and b) the purists who do receive it wouldn't take kindly to the Cartoon-Cartoons being there, on the grounds that they were "too new" to be airing on the channel.

A Cartoon-Cartoon Block on CN is a better call, I think, since CN is in more homes, and there's no reason that some of the air time given to the many repeats viewings of CN's top hits can't be devoted to some of the older classics which put the network on the map.

I agree they should just be aired on CN proper, but not in their own block. Putting them on a block called "Old School Toons" or something would make no sense. Dexter's Lab ended in '03, Bravo ended in '04, and PPG ended in '05, none are anywhere near being "old school". Cow and Chicken and I Am Weasel are the only show that ended before the turn of the century, and even they didn't end more than a decade ago. They all have enough episodes to be aired side by side next to shows like Flapjack, Chowder, TDI and Test.

It would actually make more sense for the Cartoon-Cartoons to air on weekday afternoons than Flapjack, Chowder and TDI, since the Cartoon-Cartoons have made enough episodes to air everyday, whereas the aforementioned shows are only in their first years. However, from a business perspective, CN would want their current hits playing the most often, so the way I see it, a few hours of Cartoon-Cartoons on designated days would be preferable to no airings at all.

[Racattack!Force]

I'd suggest Sunday marathons of their older series, and the ones that do well should get a weekday slot, with the ones that do the worse being cast off to Boomerang in a few years. Merge them into the current schedule. They don't have to announce it too much (maybe just a little banner on the bottom during shows the week before), just do it.

[Mickialla]

It would actually make more sense for the Cartoon-Cartoons to air on weekday afternoons than Flapjack, Chowder and TDI, since the Cartoon-Cartoons have made enough episodes to air everyday, whereas the aforementioned shows are only in their first years. However, from a business perspective, CN would want their current hits playing the most often, so the way I see it, a few hours of Cartoon-Cartoons on designated days would be preferable to no airings at all.

I'm not saying the Cartoon Cartoons should air on weekdays and that Flapjack, Chowder and TDI shouldn't, they can air alongside each other. Sure, the newer shows should get more slots, but give the Cartoon Cartoons one weekday slot each (not all, just the major ones). I'd rather have them spread out throughout the day rather than airing all at once at a designated time.

[Sammie]

I'm not saying the Cartoon Cartoons should air on weekdays and that Flapjack, Chowder and TDI shouldn't, they can air alongside each other. Sure, the newer shows should get more slots, but give the Cartoon Cartoons one weekday slot each (not all, just the major ones). I'd rather have them spread out throughout the day rather than airing all at once at a designated time.

Agreed, I think the major Cartoon Cartoons should get a weekday slot spreaded out the day. If Courage can come back and do good this should be a sign to Cartoon Nework that other major Cartoon Cartoons can do well also.

[chdr]

Who knows, they tried to bring back Johnny Bravo earlier this year, but it didn't get good ratings.

[The Cartoon]

NO! Boomerang is supposed to be for classics. There shouldn't be any cartoon network originals on there as it is. Putting in all of them would completely defeat the purpose. Don't get me wrong, I love cartoon cartoons but they need their own channel that is separate from Boomerang.

[Sammie]

Who knows, they tried to bring back Johnny Bravo earlier this year, but it didn't get good ratings.

CN could have tried harder to bring Johnny Bravo back if they really wanted to. They brought it back for a day marathon. I think a show should have atleast 2 or 3 weeks on air so it might ring in more viewers. Not just a day.

[Blackstar]

CN could have tried harder to bring Johnny Bravo back if they really wanted to. They brought it back for a day marathon, I think a show should have aleast 1 or 2 weeks on air so it might ring in more viewers not just a day.

Agreed. One day is hardly enough time to determine how well a series will be received in the long run. Johnny Bravo should have at least gotten a 2 week long trail run on CN's daily schedule before it's fate was determined. It doesn't make much sense that Courage is the only Cartoon-Cartoon still running regularly on CN.

[Racattack!Force]

NO! Boomerang is supposed to be for classics. There shouldn't be any cartoon network originals on there as it is. Putting in all of them would completely defeat the purpose. Don't get me wrong, I love cartoon cartoons but they need their own channel that is separate from Boomerang.
You do realize that there is no where near enough Cartoon Cartoons for their own channel, right? :sweat:

[Daxdiv]

I might say no only due to the fact that my cable provider doesn't offer the Boomerang. I would prefer a simple weekend block and use the excuse that it is a marathon. I would need a Sketch level of making schedules to think about how to have them on Weekdays. If they were to be weekdays, maybe like an 2 hour block with 2-4 different shows, and rotating between their catalog every day or week, since switching shows each week seems more realistic.

[Antiyonder]

NO! Boomerang is supposed to be for classics. There shouldn't be any cartoon network originals on there as it is. Putting in all of them would completely defeat the purpose. Don't get me wrong, I love cartoon cartoons but they need their own channel that is separate from Boomerang.

I get that Boomerang has been mismanaged as the network that Cartoon Network uses as it's dumping ground, but I'd think that a show at least a decade old would qualify as a classic.

At the very least, they need to remove any shows from 1999-2008 and air them on Cartoon Network, at least until their new shows reach a healthy episode number.

Who knows, they tried to bring back Johnny Bravo earlier this year, but it didn't get good ratings.

Analogy of the day: If you plant a seed with hopes of it growing into a great tall tree, then you are in for disappointment if you expect it to grow all the way in a single night.

[Mickialla]

Agreed. One day is hardly enough time to determine how well a series will be received in the long run. Johnny Bravo should have at least gotten a 2 week long trail run on CN's daily schedule before it's fate was determined. It doesn't make much sense that Courage is the only Cartoon-Cartoon still running regularly on CN.

Y'know, they could air it this coming February to promote Valentine's Day. Of course, Valentine's Day isn't the kind of holiday that promotes a whole month of specials the way Halloween and Christmas (and Thanksgiving to an extent) do, but they could still do it, Valentine's Day is the only logical time that I see for a test run(s) if they every do any because the show revolves around Johnny trying to get girls.

You do realize that there is no where near enough Cartoon Cartoons for their own channel, right? :sweat:

Not Cartoon Cartoons themselves, but the Cartoon Cartoon Network could and most likely would air ALL of CN's originals, not just the Cartoon Cartoon's. In all, there are about 30 CN originals, and if you don't count the most recent ones or the ones currently airing, you still have about 25-ish shows, which is more than enough to have a channel, especially if not all of the shows air within one day.

[Blackstar]

A Cartoon-Cartoon channel could conceivably work. even though they're aren't enough Cartoon-Cartoon series to run by themselves for 24 hours, some 3rd party acquisition series could run along with the CCs to fill out the running time.

Too bad Turner will never do this. :shrug:

[Mickialla]

A Cartoon-Cartoon channel could conceivably work. even though they're aren't enough Cartoon-Cartoon series to run by themselves for 24 hours, some 3rd party acquisition series could run along with the CCs to fill out the running time.

Too bad Turner will never do this. :shrug:

Why does everyone keep saying that there aren't enough shows to make a Cartoon Cartoon Network? The most popular shows like Dexter, Bravo, PPG, EEnE, Jack, Billy and Mandy, KND, Foster's and Ben 10 would most likely get at least 3 airings a day, and plus if you air a CN original movie (which there are a good deal of) every day, then there's no reason a Cartoon Cartoon channel can't work without a lot of empty spaces.

[chdr]

Not really. There are only 15 Cartoon Cartoons (6 of which have a very small amount of episodes) and there aren't that many original movies. And unlike Nicktoons, there won't be any more additional shows past the first 15. And if you're counting shows past the Powerhouse era, it would just be like a second CN.

[Mickialla]

Not really. There are only 15 Cartoon Cartoons (6 of which have a very small amount of episodes) and there aren't that many original movies. And unlike Nicktoons, there won't be any more additional shows past the first 15. And if you're counting shows past the Powerhouse era, it would just be like a second CN.

But there's been a lot of indication that most post-2003 CN originals are Cartoon Cartoons, but they're just not called Cartoon Cartoons. When the Cartoon Cartoon show still aired, shows like Foster's, Lazlo, Gym Partner and Squirrel Boy all aired on the Cartoon Cartoon show. On top of that, all Cartoon Network originals produced after '03 have the Cartoon Network Logo on a black screen with light-blue sound waves coming out of it with the Cartoon Cartoon jingle in the background at the end of the credits on CN Video. Plus, in the Nood bumps, all CN originals (except Courage) have that remixed version of the Cartoon Cartoon jingle at the end. Besides, even if they aren't Cartoon Cartoons, they could still be aired on the network which would pretty much serve the same purpose Nicktoon used to, for older original programming. And it wouldn't be like a second CN since currently, the only originals airing are Flapjack, Chowder, Ben 10, Alien Force, The Secret Saturdays, Courage, and Billy and Mandy. The solution to th problem is to air none of the newer shows, and air Courage and Billy and Mandy less on CC Network than they are on CN. There'd be no conflict then.

[Dr.Pepper]

I think that all of the Cartoon Network shows should go to Boomerang when they are at least 10 years old or so. But lets just hope my cable company will start to carry Boomerang when this happens.

[Taco Wiz]

I'd rather Adult Swim take over Boomerang's channel space, and Boomerang become the nighttime block for Cartoon Network.

[Racattack!Force]

Yeah, but there are only 30 Cartoon Cartoons (I talking about ALL of CN's originals) right now. And I don't think there is much need for something like a CN Too that airs older CN series in the United States.

[Sammie]

A Cartoon-Cartoon channel could conceivably work. even though they're aren't enough Cartoon-Cartoon series to run by themselves for 24 hours, some 3rd party acquisition series could run along with the CCs to fill out the running time.

Too bad Turner will never do this. :shrug:

Yeah, your problably right Turner will never do that. The best thing we can hope for is they put all the Cartoon Cartoons out on dvd. My favorite Cartoon Cartoon (PPG) is already coming out on dvd so I am happy for that.;) I am sure they will release more CCs as time go's on.

[Racattack!Force]

Y'know, they could air it this coming February to promote Valentine's Day. Of course, Valentine's Day isn't the kind of holiday that promotes a whole month of specials the way Halloween and Christmas (and Thanksgiving to an extent) do, but they could still do it, Valentine's Day is the only logical time that I see for a test run(s) if they every do any because the show revolves around Johnny trying to get girls.
That could work. Air it the week of Valentine's Day or maybe the whole of the month.

[Mickialla]

Yeah, but there are only 30 Cartoon Cartoons (I talking about ALL of CN's originals) right now. And I don't think there is much need for something like a CN Too that airs older CN series in the United States.

Well, actually, if you look back in my posts, I don't exactly want a Cartoon Cartoon Network or a CN Too, I'd rather just have Cartoon Cartoons air spreaded out on Cartoon Network proper on weekdays. But if that can't happen, I'd rather have a Cartoon Cartoon Network than have them air on Boomerang. And with 30 shows plus a movie slot or two, a potential network would have more room to air popular old shows like Dexter, PPG, Bravo, Jack, etc. Those shows would probably air at least 3 times a day each, which would fill up empty gaps.

That could work. Air it the week of Valentine's Day or maybe the whole of the month.

I'd rather it be the whole month, but it'd seem weird for a whole month because Valentine's Day isn't really the kind of holiday that network's revolve a whole month around, it's usually only a week or a day kind of thing. Only Halloween and Christmas (and sometimes Thanksgiving) usually have whole month long specials.

[EJLD4Ever]

Instead of Boomerang how about designating two hours on the weekends to Cartoon Network, and call the marathon block old school Toons. They would show each of the originals from start to finish, starting with Dexter's Lab. When that's done, go to Cow and Chicken, then Johnny Bravo, then so on, and so forth. Because I don't have Boomerang, and I have a thread about old toons being shown on the networks.

Here's another idea, in the tradition of Warner Bros. "Blue Ribbon" re-issues:

1. Start an hour-long block of random CN original episodes more than 7-8 years old, something called "The Greatest Hits" or "Gold Medal" block, to distinguish them from the newer shows.

2. To make the shorts "look newer" to younger audiences, and to shorten the episodes (thus making room for more ad space), each episode will be given a makeover. The first of these changes includes a revised title sequence that shears the episode of all screen credits. Yes--- the witer, storyboard, and art director credits--- all cut. In addition, all production staff in-jokes and "gag" references, such as writers' or storyboard artists' names popping up on signs or billboards in the cartoons, will also be cut. These changes will be in effect for ALL individual showings, such as fillers before the next program. But not to worry--a backup copy of the original will be made prior to executing these changes.

IN SUMMARY: Air a one-hour block of random older original episodes WITHOUT their original opening credits.

[Racattack!Force]

IN SUMMARY: Air a one-hour block of random older original episodes WITHOUT their original opening credits.
As long as they show up in the ending credits, then I'd be okay with them.

[Blackstar]

Here's another idea, in the tradition of Warner Bros. "Blue Ribbon" re-issues:

1. Start an hour-long block of random CN original episodes more than 7-8 years old, something called "The Greatest Hits" or "Gold Medal" block, to distinguish them from the newer shows.

2. To make the shorts "look newer" to younger audiences, and to shorten the episodes (thus making room for more ad space), each episode will be given a makeover. The first of these changes includes a revised title sequence that shears the episode of all screen credits. Yes--- the witer, storyboard, and art director credits--- all cut. In addition, all production staff in-jokes and "gag" references, such as writers' or storyboard artists' names popping up on signs or billboards in the cartoons, will also be cut. These changes will be in effect for ALL individual showings, such as fillers before the next program. But not to worry--a backup copy of the original will be made prior to executing these changes.

IN SUMMARY: Air a one-hour block of random older original episodes WITHOUT their original opening credits.

No. Just no. This would be a very bad idea. Not only would airing the "old" CN shows devoid of any and all credits be a pointless venture, because it wouldn't accomplish diddlypoop, but it would basically be giving a big middle finger to the cartoons' writers and artists, who most certainly deserve to be acknowledged for all of the hard work and input that they have put into these shows. You'd basically be telling the shows' creative staff that they don't matter. If you spent a great deal of your time writing/directing/animating a cartoon, and then some network executive suddenly told you that they wanted to remove any and all traces of your name from it in order to make the cartoon "Look newer to young audiences", I doubt that you would be very happy about it.

Also, kids aren't stupid (well not all of them, anyway). The average kid is going to recognize something that he/she has seen 50 times before, opening credits or no opening credits, which makes this plan insulting as well as pointless. I understand the need or the desire to see the older cartoons on CN again, but a notion like this one reeks of desperation and is just plain dumb. Quite frankly, I would rather see the "old" cartoons move to Boomerang unedited than have them shown hacked to bits on Cartoon Network.

[Mickialla]

Here's another idea, in the tradition of Warner Bros. "Blue Ribbon" re-issues:

1. Start an hour-long block of random CN original episodes more than 7-8 years old, something called "The Greatest Hits" or "Gold Medal" block, to distinguish them from the newer shows.

2. To make the shorts "look newer" to younger audiences, and to shorten the episodes (thus making room for more ad space), each episode will be given a makeover. The first of these changes includes a revised title sequence that shears the episode of all screen credits. Yes--- the witer, storyboard, and art director credits--- all cut. In addition, all production staff in-jokes and "gag" references, such as writers' or storyboard artists' names popping up on signs or billboards in the cartoons, will also be cut. These changes will be in effect for ALL individual showings, such as fillers before the next program. But not to worry--a backup copy of the original will be made prior to executing these changes.

IN SUMMARY: Air a one-hour block of random older original episodes WITHOUT their original opening credits.

I'm sorry, but that's a terrible idea. Not only will taking off the credits and a few inside jokes hardly even shorten episodes, it will also completely (like Blackstar said) be giving an "F you" to everyone who worked on it. And if I'm not mistaken, wasn't it something like that that caused the writers' strike??

[chdr]

I'm sorry, but that's a terrible idea. Not only will taking off the credits and a few inside jokes hardly even shorten episodes, it will also completely (like Blackstar said) be giving an "F you" to everyone who worked on it. And if I'm not mistaken, wasn't it something like that that caused the writers' strike??

I believe it was disagreements about internet revenue that cause the strike.

And yeah, that whole Gold Ribbon thing seems pointless and excessive.

[Racattack!Force]

Wait, wait, wait. His idea invovles getting rid off ALL screen credits!? Even inside jokes. I have to stop skimming through these posts. :sweat: Sorry, but I must agree. That just translates into a big "F you!" to not only the writers, directors, and storyboarders, but the creator, the overseas animation crew, and anyone who the shout-out might have been made for (like a dead crew member, a dying parent, etc.) I'm sorry, but not excuetive would EVER do that...not counting the "Wedgies" of course.

[EJLD4Ever]

OK, so this wasn't such a good idea. My thinking was it would be a similar motif to Warner Bros' Blue Ribbons (click here to find out more (http://looney.goldenagecartoons.com/miscelooneyous/blueribbon/)), but there is some sort of controversy brewing. This was going to affect only THIS block and INDIVIDUAL showings, so "regular" showings of complete 22-minute episodes would not be affected.

Sorry I even brought it up!

[chdr]

It's okay, but how does removing credits and inside jokes make something seem newer?

[Blackstar]

Such a move wouldn't make the shorts any shorter either, at least not to any significant degree. It wouldn't matter, anyway, since TV schedules are rigidly timed.

All that aside, it just isn't necessary. Cartoon Network could easily just devote a certain number of hours of each day to the Cartoon-Cartoons, even air a 2 or 3 hour block of CCs every afternoon. For example, 2 hours (4 episodes) of Johnny Bravo on Tuesdays, 2 hours of Dexter's Lab on Wednesdays, 2 hours of Courage on Thursdays, and on Mondays and Fridays, a 2 hour block of a different show every week (Be it Foster's, Powerpuff Girls, Ed, Edd 'n' Eddy, what have you).

*NOTE: Those above choices aren't etched in stone. I just using that lineup as an example.

[EJLD4Ever]

It's okay, but how does removing credits and inside jokes make something seem newer?

Well, my method involved CUTTING OUT the original title sequences and inserting A SINGLE CARD. The hope was to not only shear the cartoons of head end screen credits, but also to replace a seemingly endless array of (otherwise) unique and attractive title artwork in favour of standardised graphics (again, a la the Blue Ribbons (http://www.cartoonresearch.com/warner.html)---a new link comparing Original and BR titles). My hope was that the target demographic would like the more consistent look of the end result.

Such a move wouldn't make the shorts any shorter either, at least not to any significant degree. It wouldn't matter, anyway, since TV schedules are rigidly timed.

Now that you think of it, WB only had only shortened their re-issued cartoons with creditless titles to reduce the amount of footage, thus cutting processing costs. Now that we live in the digital realm, this matter is obsolete. WB made these changes into their original negatives, BTW.

[chdr]

I still don't see how having one generic card would appeal to children. I think they would find it boring.

[J'onn J'onzz]

What's with all the pointless options on the poll?

[EJLD4Ever]

I still don't see how having one generic card would appeal to children. I think they would find it boring.

OK...one way I thought to "mix it up" would be to vary the background colours with each cartoon. Example:

Cartoon 1: Red BG (all with white text except where noted)
Cartoon 2: Orange BG
Cartoon 3: Yellow BG (Black Text)
Cartoon 4: Green BG
Cartoon 5: Cyan BG
Cartoon 6: Blue BG
Cartoon 7: Purple BG
Cartoon 8: Magenta BG
Cartoon 9: Red BG (cycle starts again)