The Secret Saturdays - "The Ice Caverns of Ellef Ringnes" - Talkback [10/17]

[Mugen]

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Premieres: October 17th at 8:00 PM Eastern
Repeats: October 17th at 10:00 PM Eastern; October 18th at 9:00 AM Eastern; October 19th at 9:00 PM Eastern; October 22nd at 7:00 PM Eastern

The fourth episode of the newest CN original series airs tonight on You Are Here. Here is the synopsis:

After disturbing an Inuit chamber, the Secret Scientists accidentally create a giant snowstorm.

[tucsoncoyote]

Well since we're dealing with the Inuit tribes of the frozen north, this week's Cryptid is no easy pushover.. in fact the Inuits have a legend about giant wolf like creatures called Amaroks. These HUGE beasties are supposedly legend within the Inuktitut or Inuit tribes, and have been compared to dire wolves. The only difference between a dire wolf (which hunts in small loosely knit groups or in solitary modes) is that the Amaroks are usually solitary hunters, and in fact a noted cryptozoologist, Ivan Sanderson, compares the Amaroks to that of a creature called the Waheela, its Canadian counterpart, and in fact the Waheela is possibly an off shoot of an ancient prehistoric creature known as Amphicyonids which are supposedly bear-dogs, and are in no way related to wolves and other creatures of the Canis Family.

But unlike wolves and other canids family creatures which hunt in packs, the Amaroks are supposedly independent and solitary hunters and like the cryptid cousin the Waheela, these creatures usually hunt alone, which makes this a puzzle unto itself. In fact the only known solitary hunters are in fact closely related to the coyote..(Canis Lantrans) who are semi-solitary hunter/scavengers.

Danger Factor of these crreatures Knonw as Amaroks are not to be taken lightly.. They are vicious and can attack on a whim. So if you ever run into an Amarok, especially late at night in the frozen wastelands of the north, well, make sure you might have to have your affairs in order.. else you will be someone's main course.

So yep, the Saturdays (and Van Rook, and his assistant Becker), will need to be on their toes.. else they might end up being an Amarok's lunch, or dinner.

:coyote: (Canis Lantrans)

[Comics_the_QB]

Gotta say that I wasn't looking forward to this episode. So I turned on the first 5 minutes of it, and now I can't wait!

There is clearly gonna be some fun comedy bits.

[Racattack!Force]

From the sneak peek, it looks like this episode is going to be heavy on comedy when it comes to Zak and Fiskerton.

[LordTerminal]

"Where are they?"
"Your manhood and self-respect?"

Good comeback.

[chdr]

Fisk continues to be my favorite character in the show.

[zoombie]

This is a nice action packed episode, it is good that it is, because it looks like next week's episode is more comedy relief.

I am starting to understand Fisk more clearly.

[Chykin]

Good episode, but I wish the would have elaborated on the mystical details concerning the amaroks

[Comics_the_QB]

Doyle (Van Rooks sidekick) ROCKS! Bet you 10 bucks he'll join the Saturdays. He clearly has a heart and his development in this episode was too good.

Zak's powers: Cool. No need for the claw when your in a mystical hotspot. :D
Fiskerton was great as usual. Van and Drew? I think so! Best epsiode so far.


A

[Racattack!Force]

Yep, strong vibes that Van Rook and Drew had a relationship before Doc came along. This was a pretty good episode. Great action and good comedy in this episode. And some nice character insight also. Most hilarious part had to be...Zon and that scientist in the airship. Staring blankly and then screeching...that was just gold. :p The best action sequence...everyone fighting the Amaroks was pretty nice to see. Fiskerton continues to be the most hilarious on the show. Only one question left...how the heck was Drew able to carry a 250-pound Komodo Dragon. Damn she's strong. :sweat: Can't wait for next week's episode. A cryptid hunter that can eat anything in sight, and Zak (and Fisk, Komodo, and Zon of course) are the only ones who can stop him, since his parents are celebrating...their anniversary. :D Anyway, this episode gets an A from me. :) Oh, and it's pretty clear that Doyle will join the Saturdays sometime down the line.

[Comics_the_QB]

A cryptid hunter that can eat anything in sight, and Zak (and Fisk, Komodo, and Zon of course) are the only ones who can stop him, since his parents are celebrating...their anniversary. :D

Am I the only one who thought Drew looked terribly hot in that dress? :D

Anyways: I belive Doyle is featured (unmasked) flying with TSS on the Teaser poster (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/ca/Saturdays.jpg).

[zoombie]

Doyle (Van Rooks sidekick) ROCKS! Bet you 10 bucks he'll join the Saturdays. He clearly has a heart and his development in this episode was too good.

A

I don't think so. He is an anti hero, he reminds me of Rex X, and he never joined the Teen Titans.

At least Zak's choices of heros are improving. First it was Argost, now Doyle. From villains to anti heros.

Anti heros don't turn good and join the good guys, if they do they die.

[Racattack!Force]

Am I the only one who thought Drew looked terribly hot in that dress? :D
It went by too fast, so I couldn't really tell. :sad:
Anti heros don't turn good and join the good guys, if they do they die.
Technically they are good guys already...just selfish good guys.

[zoombie]

Technically they are good guys already...just selfish good guys.

I meant becoming selfless, and become chummy with the Saturdays. One anti hero that completely turned good that comes to mind is BlackWarGreymon, he fully turned good and died.

[Lightning Tiger]

Anyways: I belive Doyle is featured (unmasked) flying with TSS on the Teaser poster (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/ca/Saturdays.jpg).

awesome, cant wait for his turn to the good side.

[tb4000]

Doyle won't become good I think, but he'll probably start to question Rook's motives more and more, as well as his "I don't give a crap" attitude about anything. He may not help the Saturdays directly, but probably won't be gunning for their blood either.

[creativerealms]

Not a bad episode, action packed for the most part with the same natural sounding dialog I have came to love with this show. Doyle, I doubt he's the man in the poster but that's not inpossible, I just see him remaining with Von Rook.

Yes I am feeling that Von Rook and Drew were a couple at one point, long ago. That explains his flirting dialog here and in the first episode.

Not perfect, that other "Secret scientist" in this episode the one who called for help he was just there. It seems like there was suppose to be more of a purpose for him then there was.

Though I'm starting to wonder when is the show going to deal with Argost and Kur again?

[tb4000]

Not a bad episode, action packed for the most part with the same natural sounding dialog I have came to love with this show. Doyle, I doubt he's the man in the poster but that's not inpossible, I just see him remaining with Von Rook.

Yes I am feeling that Von Rook and Drew were a couple at one point, long ago. That explains his flirting dialog here and in the first episode.

Not perfect, that other "Secret scientist" in this episode the one who called for help he was just there. It seems like there was suppose to be more of a purpose for him then there was.

Though I'm starting to wonder when is the show going to deal with Argost and Kur again?

You know how these shows are, there is one main villain, but they only appear a few times every season and in the season finale where it matters. The rest is either filler or other second tier villains.

[creativerealms]

I guess it's better then when shows use the same villain over and over again.

[Racattack!Force]

Though I'm starting to wonder when is the show going to deal with Argost and Kur again?
Jay Stephens said that there are a few "stand-alones" in between the major plot moving episodes. They may return to that in a few more episodes. They have to cover it at least two more times before the season finale. Also the "Kur" storyline won't be wrapped up until the end of season two. Van Rook is a major villain though, along with Argost.

[creativerealms]

Oh I realize that, I know what type of villain he is and the way this show is being written, a few episodes with the main plot and everything else stand alone. And I know Von Rook is one of the most important villains too. I just really like Argost. Of course I have grown to like Doc and Drew too. Fisks good for laughs. Even Zak is not bad I like all the characters.

I just can't help it Argost is my favorite character for some reason.

[chdr]

Is it me, or is next week's episode giving off serious Venture Bros. vibes?

[Comics_the_QB]

I just can't help it Argost is my favorite character for some reason.

He IS and awesome villain... :anime:

[HEATXZ]

Great episode,Fisk was funny XD

[zoombie]

I think it was very nice, that Fisk is like second son to Doc and Drew, and a brother to Zak.

[Bubblegum Girl]

Is it me, or is next week's episode giving off serious Venture Bros. vibes?

It's probably because Venture Bros had that "Johnny Quest" vibe to it and since Secret Saturdays also has that "Johnny Quest" vibe too, you probably thought that the vibes were similar. ;)

Enjoyed this episode. Zak was able to use his powers without the Claw and Doyle(Van Rook's sidekick) doesn't like a total bad guy.

[chdr]

No, I mean that the Zak and Fisk are alone in the compound at night, and have to fend off some attacker taking advantage of the grown-ups being away. Seems very similar to a few Venture Bros. episodes.

[Doz Hewson]

What can I coherently say? Another great TSS episode, in my proud opinion. Wolf creatures that're sendups of the protagonists of Okami? I like the concept of their activations by means of removal of artifacts from their burial mounds. The scene in which Drew put a winter coat on a lizard friend wasn't entirely credible, but it was credible enough. Everyone in TICOER is well designed/drawn/animated. The facial armor of VonRook/Doyle is well depicted; it totally suspends disbelief. In fact/truth, it nukes it. And lastly, Zak's nonClaw derived powers....rule.

[tucsoncoyote]

Well after seeing tonight's episode I have to say that this does leave us with some new curious questions.

First off Zak and Fiskerton.. These two make a great team when it comes to comedy..I mean Fiskerton kissing up to Drew at the opener is hilarious (It's like Here you go, a Pretty flower..) Man Fisk is becoming a likable character. Very Likeable..

The Secret Scientist and Zon? Those two were hilarious too..(Drew: whatever you do, don't make eye contact).

Zak, "The Claw" is not a samurai sword, a baton, or an air guitar..or a snowball thrower.. (See what happens when you abuse the power?)

But then we have Van Rook and Doyle Becker.. while Van Rook is definitely a villain who's unlike Argost (Where Argost is out to rule the world, Van Rook wants to turn a profit from his little forays), I too see Doyle Becker as an anti-hero rather than a true villain, (and I think Zak has a new found respect for Becker..)

The Amaroks.. Man this definitely violated the rules.. This wasn't a solitary hunter but rather a group hunter.. which thus blows some of the legend out of the water (Amaroks were thought to be solitary hunters.. Guess not).

Inuktitut Hot spots + Zak = some major power.. Imagine what it could have been if he had the claw as well..This kid has some major Juju...

All in all another great episode..This one definitely deserves an A or at least an A+ for the effort..

And lastly, Zak's nonClaw derived powers....rule.

Rule nothing... This kid has mega juju..and in fact he doesn't rule.. he rocks heavy.. YAH YAH! (Just be sure not to use "The Claw as an air guitar.. or a snowball thrower)


But now we have something to debate.. is Doyle Becker an anti-hero? or a villain who's misunderstood?

Let the debate begin.

:coyote:

[Mala Loba]

I liked Komodo wearing a jacket, I thought it was adorable. Again, another legendary animal I'd never heard of, but now that I think of it there's probably tonnes more... next episode has that spider guy from the online game... looks interesting.

[DELETED]

I really liked this one! It reinforced that Zak has the true power--the Claw is more like a microphone--it focuses and amplifies his power.

hey, Tucsoncoyote, where'd you get that "Becker" is Van Rook's apprentice's name??? Was it stated somewhere?

If alot of you guys end up guessing right that the apprentice becomes a good guy, will you be disappointed that you figured it out so quickly?

[Racattack!Force]

The Amaroks.. Man this definitely violated the rules.. This wasn't a solitary hunter but rather a group hunter.. which thus blows some of the legend out of the water (Amaroks were thought to be solitary hunters.. Guess not).
Well, Jay did say that he and the crew messed with a few things. :sweat:

[Mickialla]

Good episode. I'm noticing more and more that TSS has more of a Saturday morning vibe than a Friday night vibe. Its action just isn't that intense. It makes up for it with good stories and characters though. Drew is by far my favorite character, her voice actor (forgot the name) does an awesome job making her a witty and smart character. Fisk is a close second, everything he says and does is funny to me. Doyle is going to become good or semi-good eventually. The YAH promo that airs shows a picture of that same guy from the poster (the one with the red hair) and he says "Is it always this crazy" or something, and the person who says it sounds like Will Friedle. So yeah, Doyle at least ends up revealing his face to Zak eventually. And Van and Drew definitely had a relationship before, should make for some good conflict.

This is a good show, but they need to work on the action aspects on it. This show is fueled mostly by dialogue, and the dialogue is good, but they need some scenes where they just have straight out no-talking action instead of throwing a few punches, stopping to say something, and then another few punches. But this is still a good show.

[R-Taco]

Another great episode. The creature designs continue to wow me, and it was cool to see another side to Van Rook's sidekick.

Forgivable sciency nitpick: Zon is an ornithocheirus, not a pteranodon.

Oh, and Tucsoncoyote, it's cryptozoology. No "i" or "d".

[Racattack!Force]

Forgivable sciency nitpick: Zon is an ornithocheirus, not a pteranodon.
Actually, both species are both part of the Pterosaur family, so I can see how the mistake could be made. It's very minor though, since the only psychical differences are the beaks and the fact Ornithocheirus have teeth. So yeah, it's very forgivable. :sweat: No real point in stating it, though, since most people wouldn't notice it unless they do some research. :shrug:

Zon (Ornithocheirus) - http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2367788032/tt1291662
Pteranodon - http://members.tripod.com/~Dinosauria/pteranodon.jpg

[Ultra8]

A pretty cool episode, the only thing I found lacking with this eps. was that they never acutually explained what an amarok was or what exactly the burial grounds did other than being mystical(looked like a prison). Overall it was fun, liked the scene with Zon and the scientist, Fisk getting out of trouble, and Doyle to the rescue.

Oh, and thanks for the amarok info tucsoncoyote it was enlightening.

Nextweek's looks like they're dealing with a bio version of 007's rogue Jaws.:evil:

[Racattack!Force]

A pretty cool episode, the only thing I found lacking with this eps. was that they never acutually explained what an amarok was or what exactly the burial grounds did other than being mystical(looked like a prison).
Which is why I always feel the urge to do reasearch on the cryptids shown in this series.

[maczero]

Is Doyle the same sidekick from the first episode? I remember the guy from the first ep having a more effeminate foreign accent

[Racattack!Force]

Is Doyle the same sidekick from the first episode? I remember the guy from the first ep having a more effeminate foreign accent
Yes, he is.

[tucsoncoyote]

hey, Tucsoncoyote, where'd you get that "Becker" is Van Rook's apprentice's name??? Was it stated somewhere?

Well from the First episode the name Doyle does ring true but if you listen carefully to Doyle (or Van Rook), one of the two said something about a guy named "Becker". (Again blame me if I'm hearing things, but that's what I heard.)

Which is why I always feel the urge to do reasearch on the cryptids shown in this series.

Maybe you should, after all I did a search for different cryptids and they could have at least 80 or so episodes if warranted.(There are approximately 100 or so different cryptozoological species that do exist around the globe. At least it would be nice to have another cryptozoologist in the house.

A pretty cool episode, the only thing I found lacking with this eps. was that they never acutually explained what an amarok was or what exactly the burial grounds did other than being mystical(looked like a prison). Overall it was fun, liked the scene with Zon and the scientist, Fisk getting out of trouble, and Doyle to the rescue.

Oh, and thanks for the amarok info tucsoncoyote it was enlightening.

Thank you Ultra8, after all I do my cryptozoological research from what is given in numerous resources, (Other than Wikipedia). Now as for the Inuit tribes, The Amarok is a creature that pretty much is what I described.. Of course the interesting thing is that from what I could discern about the Inuit burial chambers, these are indeed in fact prisons for the creatures. (What I also find doubly interesting is that while amaroks are supposed to be solitary, it seems that some Inuit legends suggest that like wolves, the amaroks could hunt in packs, and Like Zak said, "Man that's nasty."

As for next week? Well it will be interesting to see who this is..(I can tell you that it's NOT Argost's manservant), but rather from what I can tell it's a cryptid hunter of some sort.. who he is, well that's the fun of this show, trying to second guess what's next..

As for the creature that Zak and Fiskerton were recording in New Zealand? Well that could be very much The Waitoreke which is either a carnivarous otter, beaver, or even pinniped. The waitoreke is in fact usually described as a small carnivorus otter-like creature sometimes as big as a cat. It is described as having brownish fur and short legs. The sightings usually place the creature near or in the fresh water on the South Island of New Zealand. Its fur is described as being short like that of an otter, and in fact the word 'waitoreke' is the Māori word for "water (animal with) the (bone) spurs", and from what was described, I think that's what Zak was recording. I think for the animal suggested they got it pretty spot on for such a creature.

(So at least they are keeping things quite accurate for animals that may or may not exist).

and finally:
Actually, both species are both part of the Pterosaur family, so I can see how the mistake could be made. It's very minor though, since the only psychical differences are the beaks and the fact Ornithocheirus have teeth. So yeah, it's very forgivable. :sweat: No real point in stating it, though, since most people wouldn't notice it unless they do some research. :shrug:

Zon (Ornithocheirus) - http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8c/Ornithocheirus_BW.jpg
Pteranodon- http://www.childrensmuseum.org/special_exhibits/kinetosaur/images/pteranodon.gif


Both Zon and The Pterodactyl are basically of the same Kingdom (Animalia), Phylum (Chordata), Class (Sauropsida) Order (Pterasauria), and suborder (Pterodactyloidea) But beyond that they cousins as Zon is of the Ornithocheiroidea family and Ornithocheirus genus, whereas the Pteradon is of the Pteranodontidae family and Pteranodon genus.

so Zon is what Tednut said, it's a Ornithocheirus, but it is a cousin to the Pteranadon.

:coyote:

[Chykin]

^ Tusconcyote, you are making my head hurt! :sweat: