Rule 34-Is It Going Too Far?

[Mavericker]

They've been making porn of cartoons and other things on the web long before this rule was "established". Now that the "rule" exists, it seems like it gives people an excuse to make such porn. Does anyone agree?

Why do people want to make porn of every conceivable thing out there?

Kiddie and underage porn and bestiality is wrong and sick.

[Shawn Hopkins]

That's just, like, an Internet joke responding to an already existing situation. It means nothing. The reason why there is "porn of everything is because people want it." Or want to make it. Why is the real question here?

I agree that the two things you listed, which are illegal for good reasons, are wrong and six. But not all porn is bad and the world isn't going to end because someone drew a picture of a Smurf orgy and posted it online. Or even if people dressed up as Smurfs, had sex, and posted it online.

[Mavericker]

That's just, like, an Internet joke responding to an already existing situation. It means nothing. The reason why there is "porn of everything is because people want it." Or want to make it. Why is the real question here?

I agree that the two things you listed, which are illegal for good reasons, are wrong and six. But not all porn is bad and the world isn't going to end because someone drew a picture of a Smurf orgy and posted it online. Or even if people dressed up as Smurfs, had sex, and posted it online.


What's creepy is people are cranking out porn for EVERY new kids' show out there.

I think people are looking for a way to quench their toon lust.

[Shawn Hopkins]

What's creepy is people are cranking out porn for EVERY new kids' show out there.

I think people are looking for a way to quench their toon lust.

Yeah. And something to masturbate to.

[Blackstar]

I'm not into toon porn myself, but no one is forcing you to look at it. As long as there are hardcore fans on the net, there will be inappropriate content over the net. That's just human nature. But just something is there, that doesn't mean that you have to look at it.

If you're going to take away the right to show art that some might find offensive, then other liberties (such as the freedom to express our own views over the net) would soon go along with it.

If "dirty" pictures are suddenly prohibited, than all forms of art would soon follow.

[Mavericker]

Yeah. And something to masturbate to.

It serves 5 functions:

to shock people
to give people something to talk about
to be humorous
to "rape people's childhoods"
and to give people something to "pleasure themselves" to

I don't look at it-I know it exists.

[Silverstar]

I don't look at it-I know it exists.

So, what's the problem?

You're not being made to look at the stuff, and you just said you don't, so how is it an issue? Because it exists? Do you want it to not exist anymore? Sorry, but that's not gonna happen. There's a little thing in this country called 'freedom of expression'. As long as we have that, there will continue to be porn, and that includes toon porn.

If you don't like it, then don't look at it and don't download it, but you can't just make something go away just because you personally don't approve of it. If we could just wish away what we don't like, then there'd be no inane reality shows on TV, 'cause I'd have poofed them away years ago.

You know, I'm really not trying to be mean, but perhaps you should start a blog for discussing your personal tastes instead of creating thread after thread here.

[Shawn Hopkins]

It serves 5 functions:

to shock people
to give people something to talk about
to be humorous
to "rape people's childhoods"
and to give people something to "pleasure themselves" to

I don't look at it-I know it exists.

You should look at some. You seem really interested in it and I think it would relax you. I'm really starting to interpret your intense interest in sex and pornography as pent up sexual desire.

[Mavericker]

You should look at some. You seem really interested in it and I think it would relax you. I'm really starting to interpret your intense interest in sex and pornography as pent up sexual desire.

No-that's a sin.

[Mavericker]

So, what's the problem?

You're not being made to look at the stuff, and you just said you don't, so how is it an issue? Because it exists? Do you want it to not exist anymore? Sorry, but that's not gonna happen. There's a little thing in this country called 'freedom of expression'. As long as we have that, there will continue to be porn, and that includes toon porn.

If you don't like it, then don't look at it and don't download it, but you can't just make it go away just because you personally don't approve of it. If we could just wish away what we don't like, then there'd be no inane reality shows on TV, 'cause I'd have poofed them away years ago.

You know, I'm really not trying to be mean, but perhaps you should start a blog for discussing your personal tastes instead of creating thread after thread here.
Do you think people get carried away with it?

[Blackstar]

People are going to do what they want to do. You can't stop them from creating this kind of art, nor should you have the right to judge anyone, lest you be judged yourself. But like I said earlier, no one is forcing you to look at the stuff, so I don't see why it's a big deal.

[Mavericker]

People are going to do what they want to do. You can't stop them from creating this kind of art, nor should you have the right to judge anyone, lest you be judged yourself. But like I said earlier, no one is forcing you to look at the stuff.

According to the rule nothing is sacred.

Rule 35 says "if no porn of it exists it will be made."

I avoid looking at it.

[Blackstar]

According to the rule nothing is sacred.

Rule 35 says "if no porn of it exists it will be made."

I avoid looking at it.

You know, neither of us cares for cartoon porn, but the difference between you and me is that I simply ignore it, while you insist on complaining about it.

[Shawn Hopkins]

No-that's a sin.

Most things are sins for somebody if you get right down to it. I have a hard time believing, personally, that God doesn't want me to masturbate. He knows the only thing that really takes my mind off sex is having some. I'd hate to think of how crazy trying to never masturbate or have sex out of marriage would make an unmarried person. You couldn't be in the same room with a person of the opposite sex. You'd probably have to hide all soft and round objects and swear off television, books and radio. That's one reason why monks seal themselves away from the world, I guess.

And porn is just a tool to help relieve that stress, although for ethical reasons I would stay away from the degrading or illegal stuff. Playboy Playmates and Jenna Jameson, however, seem to be doing rather well for themselves.

[Silverstar]

Do you think people get carried away with it?

Some do and some don't, but the point is that it's their business. Not yours, not mine, or anyone else's. What people choose to do is up to them, and nobody else's place to pass judgment on that, unless they're breaking the law or hurting someone else by doing so.

Thus I reiterate my original point: if you don't like porn, and you don't look at porn, I don't see how it's a problem. Porn's not going to go away just because you don't approve of it. Why stress yourself out over something which you don't indulge in and doesn't affect your existence in any way?

There are far too many more important things going on in the world and in my life for me to get worked up over what some horny teenager chooses to do in his room in front of his computer with the shades pulled down.

[Mynd Hed]

If porn falls in the woods and no one's around to hear it, does it make a sound?

I'm just asking for clarification here. You're saying that you go out of your way to avoid it and don't often encounter it, but that just knowing that it exists bothers you? Do I pretty much have the gist of your point here?

If that's the case, I'd say that there are plenty of other, more important things to get worked up about. Every day there are wars, famine, disease, and terrible human rights violations happening all across the globe. Pick one of those to get worked up about and, once all of those infinitely more pressing problems are solved, then we might think about worrying over some poor lonely schlub in his parent's basement drawing Hermione x Snape fanart.

[Draft]

I agree that this really shouldn't be made, but there's really no way stopping people from doing it even if it is banned (probably will increase more production), and it probably makes some people happy

Oh, that reminds me of the Season 3 Office Episode where there's a watermark on every sheet of paper involving this sorta stuff

[Mavericker]

Some do and some don't, but the point is that it's their business. Not yours, not not mine, or anyone else's. What people choose to do is up to them, and nobody else's place to pass judgment on that, unless they're breaking the law or hurting someone else by doing so.

Thus I reiterate my original point: if you don't like porn, and you don't look at porn, I don't see how it's a problem. Porn's not going to go away just because you don't approve of it. Why stress yourself out over something which you don't indulge in and doesn't affect your existence in any way?

Don't you think things like G.W. Bush porn is in bad taste?

[Blackstar]

If porn falls in the woods and no one's around to hear it, does it make a sound?

I'm just asking for clarification here. You're saying that you go out of your way to avoid it and don't often encounter it, but that just knowing that it exists bothers you? Do I pretty much have the gist of your point here?

If that's the case, I'd say that there are plenty of other, more important things to get worked up about. Every day there are wars, famine, disease, and terrible human rights violations happening all across the globe. Pick one of those to get worked up about and, once all of those infinitely more pressing problems are solved, then we might think about worrying over some poor lonely schlub in his parent's basement drawing Hermione x Snape fanart.

Exactly. There are far too many real problems facing our society (the war in Iraq, economic recession, homelessness, the struggling economy) for me to be hung up over some horny teenagers who like to draw pictures of a Smurf orgy. :shrug:

[Mavericker]

Exactly. There are far too many real problems facing our society (the war in Iraq, economic recession, homelessness, the struggling economy) for me to be hung up over some horny teenagers who like to draw pictures of a Smurf orgy. :shrug:

How do you know they are teenagers? It's illegal for minors to solicit porn.

[buttah]

Just because it's illegal doesn't mean that minors don't create/look at it. There's tons of things that are illegal that minors have experienced or seen. Anyway I'm with everyone else, if you don't like it just don't look at it. Most of us probably don't like toon porn but we all deal with it fine, by ignoring it, as you should.

[Shawn Hopkins]

Don't you think things like G.W. Bush porn is in bad taste?

There's G.W. Bush Porn? I mean, yeah, with rule 34 I would suppose there would be, but that's awesome. If I wasn't at work I would look some up.

Hey, and don't quote the Bible at me in private messages, dude. I don't believe in fairy tales.

[Mavericker]

There's G.W. Bush Porn? I mean, yeah, with rule 34 I would suppose there would be, but that's awesome. If I wasn't at work I would look some up.

Hey, and don't quote the Bible at me in private messages, dude. I don't believe in fairy tales.

That's the TRUTH of the Word-can't say you weren't told.

[Shawn Hopkins]

That's the TRUTH of the Word-can't say you weren't told.

I was told years ago. Then I started to think for myself and realized it was a contradictory load of crap mainly good for promoting social control.

[peterg14]

The Bible is far from truth, after being translated by humans in different languages for hundreds of years.

But on Rule 34, if it bothers you, don't look at it. People have the right to do whatever, and as long as it's not illegal or hurting anyone, it their business.

[Mavericker]

The Bible is far from truth, after being translated by humans in different languages for hundreds of years.

But on Rule 34, if it bothers you, don't look at it. People have the right to do whatever, and as long as it's not illegal or hurting anyone, it their business.

I don't argue with atheists, agnostics or skeptics.

[thedanmachine]

In hopes of not getting this thread locked real fast, I'm gonna post my two-cents on the subject.

I dont see anything wrong with cartoon porn or just regular porn. I'm not going to condemn those people who watch either kind and I'm not going to say that its wrong for someone to create cartoon porn. I believe what people do is their own business. When the post it on the internet however, it suddenly becomes a lot of peoples business. My suggestion is Mavericker, to just turn the other cheek and ignore it. I assure you its not going to stop anytime soon.

[Mavericker]

In hopes of not getting this thread locked real fast, I'm gonna post my two-cents on the subject.

I dont see anything wrong with cartoon porn or just regular porn. I'm not going to condemn those people who watch either kind and I'm not going to say that its wrong for someone to create cartoon porn. I believe what people do is their own business. When the post it on the internet however, it suddenly becomes a lot of peoples business. My suggestion is Mavericker, to just turn the other cheek and ignore it. I assure you its not going to stop anytime soon.

I was talking about all those sick fetishes. A lot of those things are abominations.

[thedanmachine]

I was talking about all those sick fetishes. A lot of those things are abominations.

Abominations to you and to a large group of people. If I can diverge from the topic for a second let me state this. By saying its an abomination, you show a very narrow mind. Sure Christians might think its an abomination, but you cant assume everyone to be a Christian and think that it is.

Its a fetish no doubt, but its in no way completely sick or an abomination to everyone.

[Mavericker]

Abominations to you and to a large group of people. If I can diverge from the topic for a second let me state this. By saying its an abomination, you show a very narrow mind. Sure Christians might think its an abomination, but you cant assume everyone to be a Christian and think that it is.

Its a fetish no doubt, but its in no way completely sick or an abomination to everyone.

God says those things are.

[peterg14]

I don't argue with atheists, agnostics or skeptics.

I am no athesits, I'm a Christan. I believe in God, but I'm just saying that you can't take everything in the Bible as cold hard truth.

[Shawn Hopkins]

I don't argue with atheists, agnostics or skeptics.

That's so dumb my head hurts. Almost every thread you've posted so far here has been an attempt to stir something up and hold your dubious religious morals in other people's faces. Yet when someone disagrees with you you pull out a lame copout line like that? Why do you start the arguments in the first place if you only want to talk to people that already agree with you? There are a lot of Christian forums out there where I'm sure you'll never hear a dissenting peep, you know.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

[thedanmachine]

Heres the thing though, not everyone believes that "God" is real.

[Mavericker]

Heres the thing though, not everyone believes that "God" is real.

I know that.

[thedanmachine]

Then stop acting like you dont. If you want to keep up an intelligent and un-biased argument or discussion, please leave religion out of it. It just creates something of an obstacle.

[Mavericker]

Then stop acting like you dont. If you want to keep up an intelligent and un-biased argument or discussion, please leave religion out of it. It just creates something of an obstacle.
I wasn't discussing religion-I made ONE statement about God.

[Blackstar]

How do you know they are teenagers? It's illegal for minors to solicit porn.

And yet some do. Scary, huh? This may also come as a shock, but some teenagers smoke, drink and indulge in pre-marital sex also!

Also, congratulations for completely missing or choosing to ignore my point. Good for you. As previously stated, Rule 34 doesn't affect you in any way, so there's no reason for you to get worked up over it. People are going to do what they want, regardless of whether what they like to do meets your approval or not.

[Silverstar]

Don't you think things like G.W. Bush porn is in bad taste?


Honestly, I couldn't possibly care less about it, and frankly, I don't see why you do.

This is the last post I'm going to make here since I don't like sounding like a broken record, but here it is once again: if something on the inetrnet, TV, in movies or in books bothers you, disturbs you or is not to your liking, then simply ignore it. Don't look at it, don't subscribe to it, just ignore it, don't bother with it all. Problem solved. Something isn't going to go away just because you personally don't approve of it.

How people choose to spend their free time is their own business. You're entitled to say that you don't agree, but it's not your place to say what other people should or should not be doing at their leisure when it doesn't concern, involve or affect you in any way.

Leave others to their own choices and just let people be. Why is that such a hard concept to grasp?

[Sparticus]

Uh... I don't think you quite get the meaning of Rule 34.

RULE 34 STATES: If it exsists, there's porn for it.

Rule 34 makes no moral judgement, it's more of a general statement that ended up being trufax. It can be horrible, it can be hilarious, it usualy cannot be unseen; but this is true of life, the universe and everything. :B

[Mavericker]

Uh... I don't think you quite get the meaning of Rule 34.

RULE 34 STATES: If it exsists, there's porn for it.

Rule 34 makes no moral judgement, it's more of a general statement that ended up being trufax. It can be horrible, it can be hilarious, it usualy cannot be unseen; but this is true of life, the universe and everything. :B

That's not always true-that's why Rule 35 exists.

Who came up with these so-called rules?

[Shawn Hopkins]

Uh... I don't think you quite get the meaning of Rule 34.

RULE 34 STATES: If it exsists, there's porn for it.

Rule 34 makes no moral judgement, it's more of a general statement that ended up being trufax. It can be horrible, it can be hilarious, it usualy cannot be unseen; but this is true of life, the universe and everything. :B

But what about rule 35? If it's pointed out that it doesn't exist, someone on the Internet will take that as a challenge and make it.

There is probably no porn of Spongebob Squarepants and Darth Vader raping Goldie Gold and Action Jack, for example. And now I feel shame for what I have done.

[Sparticus]

But what about rule 35? If it's pointed out that it doesn't exist, someone on the Internet will take that as a challenge and make it.

There is probably no porn of Spongebob Squarepants and Darth Vader raping Goldie Gold and Action Jack, for example. And now I feel shame for what I have done.

Yeah, that's WHY Rule 35 exsists - someone foolishly goes and says "There probably isn't..." a search is conducted, thus leading to the creation of said porn, which reinforces rule 34. As scary as 4chan is, it does come up with a lot of interesting paradoxes. O.o

Who came up with these so-called rules?

4channers to my knowledge.

[The Huntsman]

You seem to have a gift when it comes to creating problematic threads.

Regardless, I do agree with you on one thing; there is a lot of stuff out there that really makes me uncomfortable. Case and point the cartoon character in my forum avatar; she’s a non-anthropomorphic cartoon puppy, yet there’s a boatload of x-rated material about her on the web. That bothers me. I’m all for individual liberties and I’m not about to demand that the government start censoring the internet, but as a fan, it’s disappointing to see your favorite characters portrayed in such a fashion.

[purplehairedwonder]

Well, this hasn't turned out well.

Thread closed.