C&C - "The Venture Bros." - "ORB" [8/10]

[garfield15]

Many revelations are made in today's episode.

Catch on adultswim.com now or check it out Sunday at 11:30 PM Eastern

[creativerealms]

Rusty showing that he actually respects his father and actually cares about what his father did and even in some ways cares about others was a positive surprise.

Anyway very good episode.

[NelStone]

Apparently, Yu-Gi-Oh cards equals gambling.

Video stopped working around the second part.:sad:

[Lightning Tiger]

Im suprised, Brock was actualy seriously going to kill Rusty.

[garfield15]

And thus, we learned who killed Jonas Venture Sr.

Didn't see it coming honestly.

[NelStone]

Alright, finished it. And it was awesome.

So much revelation.

[FinnMacCool]

And thus, we learned who killed Jonas Venture Sr.

Didn't see it coming honestly.
Yeah, I was expecting Jonas to show up alive as the leader of the OSI or something.

[garfield15]

Yeah, I was expecting Jonas to show up alive as the leader of the OSI or something.

Still a possibility. This is The Venture Bros. after all. And we (the viewers) never actually saw the body

For all we know, he could be a cyborg-zombie thing. But considering...
Kano's
testimony, it's more than likely he's done for.

Favorite quote: "We're not some sort of...Guild of...Calamatous Intent..."
(foreshadowing much?)

[Neo Ultra Mike]

You know Billy' role in spending the last 30 years watching the old Venture Brothers cartoon for some long lost clue about some secret hidden inside it reminds me of the people who obessivley comb over Lost for any hidden things found within the ep. Or hey, even the people here who do that for Venture Brothers. Afterall all throughout season 3 we've been getting questions asking about who was the one who killed Jonas Sr, the origin of the Guild Of Calamatous Intent and even some on just why Brock was assigned after Rusty. And now we know the answer to those questions. Kano turns out to be the one who offed the good old doc (in your face those who thought he wasn't dead) which was what caused him his streak of silence that people just thought was him being mute (LOL at him wanting to do Karoke and being amazed at finally being able to talk). The Guild turns out to be some of the great ancestors of Venture, Orpehus and even Phantom Limb discovering the powers of the Orb during some sort of big war time setting. And turns out that Rusty's blanket was to make sure Rusty never used the power of the Orb at all. When I heard about Brock's defect (this was one of the eps previwed before Season 3 started) I had hoped it was for more reason then him just wanting out of his mision and glad it was. And guess he is back at the end facing some danger in a car that I'm sure will tie into a plot in the season 3 finale since afterall Brock is now not Rusty's bodyguard so he probably has OSI or others after him. I admit there were some slow moments (mainly all the old timey flashbacks really and the Rusty Venture/Johnny Quest Intro parody was just about a second from being overdone) but there was a lot of good stuff: Billy and Pete's convo back and forth in the beginning, Rusty getting Dean and Hank to serve him and finding Scamp (from the pilot) buried along with a pog and a Yu-Gi-Oh card, everyone crashing through Brock's room and him yelling at them to get out, Brock getting pete to take of the boys and then just having Dr. Orpehus do it, Hunter Gathers appearing as a stripper of some sort and "don't ask me how I got these 100 dollar bills", Hank and Dean pranking Orpehus as he goes into his mental state and The Alchemist enjoying the prank, the Alchemist whining on why the internet sucks and figuring out the mystery, "Don't tell me that hasn't been your dream since you saw the Pink Panther", Billy and Rusty finding the orb and the end where they decide not to use it and Billy corrodes Rusty into doing the Go Team Venture slogan. Overall solid ep. Not one of the most funniest truthfully but it had a lot of good interaction and a lot of interesting backstory notes that should fill in the gap for those of you who really care about that.

[Charlie]

And thus, we learned who killed Jonas Venture Sr.

Didn't see it coming honestly.

Maybe, technically Kano didn't actually answer. It indicates that he was probably part of it, but there could be a whole cover up by the original Team Venture we have no idea about. I have a hard time thinking Kano was the soul proprietor of Jonas' death and that it had to due with The Orb. This is The Venture Bros. nothing is ever as it seems.Also I bet Colonel Gathers is in the car.


God I love this show.

[TacoHunter]

The car was on auto pilot and was trying to kill Samson. That's what was happening at the end.

Anyway, I find it far to coincidental that the last 3 Ventures would end up sharing the same fate, and being killed by their body guards. I have to assume Jonas Venture Sr died another way.

Everything seems to be pointing to super villains and that JV Sr is a jerk. I have to assume their building up like this for a reason...right?

[Anyone00]

How much you want to bet ORB is just a really fancy music box?

Surely a car will kill a man that can survive a hard vacuum.

[Victor Shade]

Currently, there is no cartoon as good as this one....I loved that episode.

[Lightning Tiger]

yup, best cartoon on TV

Still a possibility. This is The Venture Bros. after all. And we (the viewers) never actually saw the body

well, i think hes dead, but i dont think his Body Guard did it, it just doesnt seem cool or epic enough for someone like the great Jonas Venture Sr. I think there was some huge conspiracy behind his death involving the Guild and OSI, and the body guard is keeping quiet cause he fears for his life or something. I think those Guild elder guys who tried the Monarch in the first episode of the season were involved.

[Blackscarz]

Wow, what a let down from the last episode. From reading the comments so far I'm probably the only one here you didn't like the episode. I understand it had a "Da vinci code" theme going on but I didn't think it was entertaining or really that funny.

Dr. Venture Sr. killed by his own team mate wasn't a big surprise. In Now Museum Now You Don't Rusty said "to bad Colonel Gentlemen couldn't be here, or did you have him killed too?" Not his exact words but still giving away some hints of his father's death. Great, now I'm starting to sound like Billy.

[NelStone]

Some things I've noticed about the flashback:

-There is a Phantomos. Ancestor?

-Col. Venture kind of sounds like the monarch. Possible ancestor? o_O

-The guy who was carried away (Phantomos called him a "fat wizard") screamed and yelled almost the same way as Orpheus speaks.

Just some mindless observations from me.:sweat:

[Senira]

For the first time, ever, I actually LIKE Dr. Venture.

This was a great episode. It's nice to see them evolving Rusty's character from a petulant, bitter mid-lifer to a decent human being.

[PakiroVah]

Yeah, that Fantomos dude was listed as the Phantom Limb in the Closed Captioning.

[PickHut]

An entertaining episode with an actual nice mix of comedy and plot. Yeah, it was actually a surprising twist at the end with Rusty actually dealing with an artifact with care and respect, though, I dunno about Brock, I just couldn't see him actually going ahead and killing Rusty. The humor was a bit scattered in places, but they were still funny (the "Rusty Venture, brought to you by smoking!" bit and Hank and Dean tping Orpheus come to mind) when they popped up.

[HEATXZ]

XD great episode,I like the part when everybody went into Brock's Room

[Sandoz]

Loved the steampunk proto-Guild, Brock's grumblings about his herb garden, HUNTER (there better be some stripper!Hunter cosplayers, fandom), the clips of the old Rusty Venture cartoon, Dean's trauma...excellent all around.

So did Kano kill Jonas? I'm thinking yes, but it wouldn't be the Venture Bros. fandom without a "Jonas is alive and secretly running the Guild and is Dermott's real father...from the future!" conspiracy theories.

Yeah, that Fantomos dude was listed as the Phantom Limb in the Closed Captioning.
Fantomos is Phantom Limb's ancestor. Remember in "The Invisible Hand of Fate" Phantom Limb told Billy he came from a long line of costumed adventurers and showed him a portrait of Fantomos.

[Rabi~en~Rose]

Billy: trust me next season will be all about the man capris


does that mean next season will be all about young Rusty and his adventures? :confused:

[Captain Highwind]

Not really sure what's going on here, but the cloak and dagger stuff is kinda creeping me out. Hope Brock's not dead... (he has been showing up a lot, even when the spotlight's on another group of characters besides the Venture family, like he's bowing out. And please don't say his son's going to replace him.) D:

[Locomoco]

I can't even imagine Venture Bros. without Brock. Don't even want to think about it.

But watching the origins of "the Guild", I can't help but speculate. What if the OSI is a creation of the Guild? Like somebody wanting to play a chess game, you need two to play. The Guild created the OSI to be its counterpart. The good guys to its bad guys. Or if you want to look at it another way, a force to rein them in if need be. By having another organization to help ensure a steady stream of opponents for their guild members, the guild will never have to worry about their member's destructive genius getting out of hand and ruining the party as it were.

I also don't believe Jonas Sr. is dead. No freaking way. Too easy of an explanation for Venture Bros. Kano *may* think he's responsible. I don't believe he broke the neck of his master like the other guy. He may have just not responded to a plea for help and watched idly by as a huge explosion could have 'killed' Jonas Sr. and felt that he was to blame for the death. I'm still waiting for this guy to make an entrance.

What about the strip bar and the two undercover guys watching the stripper on the pole? Clearly they were observing the interaction between Brock and his mentor. If they wanted Hunter dead, then why is he allowed to live as a stripper in his new life? Were they there for Brock or were they there following up on the whole ORB operation? Did Brock accessing the bodyguard termination protocols actually be the signal for his own termination by OSI?

Man this show is good.

- EDIT - Just finished re-watching the show. The part before they open the box they found in the herb garden, while they're all gathered round the table, Hank says something about carving Dean's name on the wooden bathroom door. Um, was that some gay crap or what??? Dean says thank you and then Hanks says he loves him. Amidst all the revelations in this episode that might have been overlooked but it just seemed like a really weird interaction between the bros.

[Angilasman]

Anyone else catch the annoying lady on the cell phone from the pilot?

[Master Moron]

Wow, what a let down from the last episode.

Well, I didn't like this episode, but then, I haven't laughed once this entire season of the Venture Brothers. To be honest, I think the plot is getting way too dense. It's not that it's hard to understand, it's just that I don't really care. I doubt most of the Adult Swim audience really cares about all this crap. They just want to laugh, which this show isn't enabling them to do.

[Angilasman]

^No way. This season has combined the hilarity of season 1 and the heavy continuity from season 2. They've hit their stride.

[warnerbroman]

for a cartoon in the 60's it looked violent not wacky violent but bloody

[sockhead]

Well, I didn't like this episode, but then, I haven't laughed once this entire season of the Venture Brothers. To be honest, I think the plot is getting way too dense. It's not that it's hard to understand, it's just that I don't really care. I doubt most of the Adult Swim audience really cares about all this crap. They just want to laugh, which this show isn't enabling them to do.

If they just want to laugh then they have every other Adult Swim comedy series to watch. Venture Bros is one of the only ones that aspires to be more than random stupid jokes. Metalocolypse has a bit of a story at times I guess. But Aqua Teen, Family Guy, Amercian Dad...I'd go crazy without Venture Bros. Also, you say you don't care about the show. Do you honestly care about the characters from the other Adult Swim shows? You don't have to watch something that's not making you laugh every sunday.

[R-Taco]

After nearly 3 entire seasons of hilarious cynicism, seeing Dr. Venture actually show genuine humanity had a lot of impact. This show just got even better.

Billy: trust me next season will be all about the man capris


does that mean next season will be all about young Rusty and his adventures? :confused:

It's just a brief fashion joke.

[Neo Ultra Mike]

In case anyone cares they actually have a Video Commentary up for the "Orb" episode now. Among other things it explains this was the second written and produced episode (thus why it was one of the ones shown in the Season 3 Preview before Season 3 came out) and some other things I'll talk about through conversing with other people.

Originally posted by TacoHunter
The car was on auto pilot and was trying to kill Samson. That's what was happening at the end.

First off want to apologize for getting that wrong. Still...

Doc and Jackson hinted that this episode in some ways does lead to the third season finale so I'm guesing Brock having to quit the OSI will have some negative effects for the Venture Team. They joke on how they went from a two part finale last time to a three part one this time but thinking about it since episode 10 also connects to the finale probably it's more like a 4 parter. Then they joked season 4 will have a 5 part finale or a show that is just one big finale which would actually be kind of cool if you think about it

Anyway, I find it far to coincidental that the last 3 Ventures would end up sharing the same fate, and being killed by their body guards. I have to assume Jonas Venture Sr died another way.

I'm with others in saying Kano had to have some part in it but it may not of been the primary thing. I mean there has to be some reason behind his silence since it's apparent he otherwise loves to talk? Oh and I think Kano was suppose to be voiced by some celebrity that they couldn't get so they pitched up Jackson's voice a bit to get Kano's voice.

Originally posted by Blackscarz
Wow, what a let down from the last episode. From reading the comments so far I'm probably the only one here you didn't like the episode. I understand it had a "Da vinci code" theme going on but I didn't think it was entertaining or really that funny.

Well the two admit to taking soem from Da Vinci Code but I think Doc Hammer (who wrote it) was more inspirted by National Treasure then Da Vinci. He also notes that he dosen't like the second National Treasure movie and that the blimp for the guild isn't a rip on the one in The golden Compass since they hadn't seen the movie or read the book when doing this ep.

The guy who was carried away (Phantomos called him a "fat wizard") screamed and yelled almost the same way as Orpheus speaks.

Well he's also voiced by Steven Rattazzi the guy who does Orephus. Doc and Jackson joked on having all the magic using people being voiced by the same guy but obviously there is a connection between the two just like there's some sort of connection between pretty much any important Venture Brothers character.

Originally posted by Rabi~en~Rose
does that mean next season will be all about young Rusty and his adventures? :confused:

Well I'm sure we'll see more of them since the team likes doing them. I think they mentioned that for the old show parodies they actually improve on the regular Venture Brothers animation and make it look better then how the show reguarly looks and how it's hard to get the animator staff to purposley put some actual goofs in the old footage to make it look sort of cheesy (something I think the Simpsons staff had problems with as well, specifically in a gag in "Itchy, Scratchy, And Poochie Show")

Originally posted by Mr. Highwind
Not really sure what's going on here, but the cloak and dagger stuff is kinda creeping me out. Hope Brock's not dead... (he has been showing up a lot, even when the spotlight's on another group of characters besides the Venture family, like he's bowing out. And please don't say his son's going to replace him.) D:

I'm sure he's not going to die (too much a part of the Venture clan to die just because he's been having a lot of appearences as of late) as it's been mentioned in the last video commentary they only brought in Dermont (who Doc and Jackson thoghts fan would hate) as a normal kid who could relate to Dean and Hank some. We'll see more of him but he defintley won't be taking Brock's place or anything.

Originally posted by Locomoco
But watching the origins of "the Guild", I can't help but speculate. What if the OSI is a creation of the Guild? Like somebody wanting to play a chess game, you need two to play. The Guild created the OSI to be its counterpart. The good guys to its bad guys. Or if you want to look at it another way, a force to rein them in if need be. By having another organization to help ensure a steady stream of opponents for their guild members, the guild will never have to worry about their member's destructive genius getting out of hand and ruining the party as it were.

Well I don't know about that but in the video commentary Jackson and Doc stated they liked the idea of the Guild extending to times far beyond where our heroes are currently in and that it was Jackson's ideas to have the guild be filled with more people that we would get (like Mark Twain) instead of a lot of more obscure historical characters no one would understand (like the original strongman who the bodyguard for Colonel Venture was based on). I'm sure that means there's a whole lot of history for the guild that we probably won't even find out the full deal in season 4 but if there are more seasons (hopefully) we'll learn more then.

EDIT - Just finished re-watching the show. The part before they open the box they found in the herb garden, while they're all gathered round the table, Hank says something about carving Dean's name on the wooden bathroom door. Um, was that some gay crap or what??? Dean says thank you and then Hanks says he loves him. Amidst all the revelations in this episode that might have been overlooked but it just seemed like a really weird interaction between the bros.

It's pretty obvious based on Dean's crush on Trianna and Hank having crushed on Cocktease (plus the Nacey Drew twins) that the boys aren't gay. I think it was just Hank covering for Dean on some prank Dean pulled and them showing they still care about each other. You know as BROTHERS, not as anything else. It's just that due to they're campy weirdness it comes across a bit confusing when seeing it in action but it's not gay or anything.

Originally posted by Master Moron
Well, I didn't like this episode, but then, I haven't laughed once this entire season of the Venture Brothers. To be honest, I think the plot is getting way too dense. It's not that it's hard to understand, it's just that I don't really care. I doubt most of the Adult Swim audience really cares about all this crap. They just want to laugh, which this show isn't enabling them to do.

Ah that's something that Doc and Jackson kind of commented on as well when talking about a specific poitn of the plot where there wasn't a good stretch of jokes and saying that live isn't just about jokes and "nothing is good enough for you people". Though kidding they raise a point: Venture Brothers espically nowadays still does have a good amount of jokes but actually has it's own balanced plot on top of that which actually co-exists with the laughter that's going on. It's a weird sense of humor for sure but the idea they're able to actually mix them without sacrificing a lot of one for the other actually says a lot for the team. There are more plotty eps then before but there are still jokes and gags in there that are funny. Besides I don't really see how you can say there aren't jokes for the auidence to laugh at when there are still a ton. I'll give you most of the auidence is stupid enough to prefere the 50th repeat of a Family Guy ep to a VB premiere but the fact the show has made it on to the top 3 in the ratings and usually gets at least over 650-700 thousand shows people do want to watch it.

[Mavericker]

Rusty showing that he actually respects his father and actually cares about what his father did and even in some ways cares about others was a positive surprise.

Anyway very good episode.

It was one of the most intelligent episodes I've seen in a long time- with all the problem solving.