Ben 10: Alien Force - "Be-Knighted" - Talkback [7/12]

[Mugen]

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Premieres: July 12th at 10:00 AM Eastern
Repeats: July 12th at 10:30 PM Eastern; July 13th at 11:30 AM Eastern; July 13th at 9:30 AM; July 21st at 8:30 PM

Another episode of Ben 10: Alien Force airs today on Dynamite Action Squad. Here's the synopsis:

When the Forever Knights find themselves unable to capture an escaped dragon, Ben tries to help, but ends up conflicted when he hears both sides of the story.

[Shift]

Maybe I missed something, but aren't FK's supposed to be bad guys? Why would Ben wanna help bad guys at all?




Remembers Kevin...

[zoombie]

This is the first episode that takes place after Max Out, so we might get a clue on what happened to Grandpa Max, since takes right after.

[bigddan11]

I can see why they decided to show the Verdona one before this episode. It completely alters the story in Ben 10 where the leader of the Forever Knights is an ex-Plumber. It also makes it where there's a race of Dragons that are mapmakers. Basically, it's a stand-alone story that could have been shown anywhere after the first 3 episodes of Alien Force. At least we got some more Spider monkey goodness.

[Mala Loba]

Was anyone else reminded of a certain boy wizard's school when they saw the Forever Knights' castle, or was it just me?

[zoombie]

I can see why they decided to show the Verdona one before this episode. It completely alters the story in Ben 10 where the leader of the Forever Knights is an ex-Plumber. It also makes it where there's a race of Dragons that are mapmakers. Basically, it's a stand-alone story that could have been shown anywhere after the first 3 episodes of Alien Force. At least we got some more Spider monkey goodness.

I thought the Forever Knights was just a gang of men that wanted to rule the world and put on Knights as a gimmick.

The Forever Knights really think themselfs as Knights. It is confusing if you follow the old series.

[HEATXZ]

Good episode,I was surprised that the dragon can talk

[Mad Mod 49]

It completely alters the story in Ben 10 where the leader of the Forever Knights is an ex-Plumber.


Not really. It said in Ben 10 that Driscoll became Forever King, meaning he wasn't the first leader. Naturally, five years later, there's a new Forever King. It's just how things work, I suppose.

Well, apparently in the next episode, two Plumber kids think Ben, Gwen, and Kevin are aliens. My response? Who can blame them? A peeve of mine for this show is that everything is connected to aliens! Even the dragon in this episode was actually a freaking alien! In Ben 10, there was magic, psychic powers, mad science, etc. Here there's just aliens and alien tech. It's getting old. :yawn:

Sir Konar and his squire were interesting though. Wouldn't mind seeing them again in the future.

[bigddan11]

I thought the Forever Knights was just a gang of men that wanted to rule the world and put on Knights as a gimmick.

The Forever Knights really think themselfs as Knights. It is confusing if you follow the old series.

I'm not confusing the old series and this one. As mentioned, Driscoll, an ex-plumber, became the Forever King, the leader of the Forever Knights. He made it their mission to destroy the Plumbers because he tried stealing their technology and was kicked out of the squad. To me this explains perfectly why they are gathering all that technology. Also, while the Forever Knights original mission might have been the destruction of this dragon, whenever a new King takes over, he tends to try and destroy most or all remnants of the past, meaning the mission to destroy the dragon should have been forgotten. Sure, I could see a possible old Forever knight holding on to tradition and teaching it once Driscoll was overthrown, and that makes the story have more sense, but frankly this entire episode could have been deleted because all it did was give the Forever Knights a new mission from the one Driscoll had given them and come up with a new reason for not liking Ben, Gwen, and Kevin. To me this was the worst episode of the series (and by series I mean Alien Force, not the original Ben 10) to date.

[peterg14]

Oh God, I heard Khary Payton in the preview. All we need now is Hyden Walch and Tara Strong(which I'm suprised, as she was the original Ben, but they may be saving her for a special apperance in later episodes) and we have a TT reunion.

I'm hoping that that blonde kid will be apart of Ben's team along with Alan, some other kids Ben mentioned, and those 2 kids that appear next week.

[judyindisguise]

Good episode,I was surprised that the dragon can talk

All dragons should talk. Otherwise they're just flying dinosaurs as far as I'm concerned.

[warnerbroman]

up next they are going to tell up that charmcaster never existed (who's hex again?)

[Mad Mod 49]

up next they are going to tell up that charmcaster never existed (who's hex again?)


Did you mean that Hex never existed or Charmcaster? And Hex is her uncle, voiced by Khary Payton, had a pretty cool design, how could you forget him? :confused:

And of course they still exist, references to the summer five years ago and Gwen knowing "magic" were already made. They just may or may not be showing up in this show (I'm personally surprised Dr. Animo hasn't yet snown up, seeing as he was one of the most overexposed villains in the original show.)

But darn it, I'd like to see Charm, Hex, and Animo again, seeing as most of this show's villains are just so boring.

[peterg14]

I agree about Hex and Charmcaster, but Animo got reduced to nothing more than a joke as the show went on, sort of like Dr. Light from Teen Titans.

[Mad Mod 49]

I agree about Hex and Charmcaster, but Animo got reduced to nothing more than a joke as the show went on, sort of like Dr. Light from Teen Titans.


Yeah, I don't really care that much for Animo either (love Hex and Charmcaster though) but still, what I was saying was that I'd rather have him again than the baddies so far. I mean, so far we've had the boring DNAliens and undeveloped HighBreed, Vulcanus who just screamed "one-shot appearance", Ship who just wanted help, Cash who was merely possessed, Paradox's lab assistant turned monster, Ben and Gwen's grandma who wasn't technically even a villain, and the Forever Knights who, while interesting, seem to honestly believe themselves to be in the right, as do apparently the two plumber kids in next episode and the alien emperor in the last Season 1 episode (apparently he wants revenge on Earth for kidnapping his daughter).

Really, only Mike Morningstar and that rat-thing with Control Freak's voice held my attention as villains. I'm really hoping Season 2 has better villains, brings back old villains, or develops the ones with potential (the Highbreed and Forever Knights).

[RonDrakenfan17]

Dang, I enjoyed the episode. Ben was thinking smart and helped the Forever knights, it was sweet that he was willing to help them. Next weeks looks great too.

[Meoshira]

Different change of pace for an episode. The dragon to me kind of looked like Boudicca from Gargoyles. XD Except.. not as spiny and actually had wings and a tail. Looked more gryphon-like than draconic.

...and I swear they had Clancy Brown voice any dragon from the Ben 10-verse so far. He voiced Kenko back in the "Game Over" episode, too.

I kind of wish the dragon wasn't an alien, though. It sounded ridiculous, let alone the imagery of seeing a dragon actually handling a gun and driving a spaceship? ...what.

And I'm still wondering how Kevin is magically an expert on all things alien so far. I'm hoping he ends up going back as his alien form eventually, since it'll be interesting to see how Alien Force takes the style of that. And the old villains should they return.

[Scirel]

ANYTHING is better than animo. I'd rather have the freaking christmas elf guys again before animo. He's the worst villain EVER. Not one thing he says even comes close to making sense scientifically, his motivation is pathetic, and his episodes are the worst of the series.

"De-evolutionize" officialy made him the biggest joke of a villain EVER that a show wants you to take seriously. Worse than filmation Skeletor, worse that DIC Cobra commander, worse than almost every villain who is actually SUPPOSED to be a parody of what animo embodies.

God I hate Animo. I hope he stays down forever or actually grows a motivation and SOMETHING that makes even a stretch of sense scientifically.

[Bunai]

oh my god
i thought the knight was about to B*slap Ben :anime:

[warnerbroman]

ANYTHING is better than animo. I'd rather have the freaking christmas elf guys again before animo. He's the worst villain EVER. Not one thing he says even comes close to making sense scientifically, his motivation is pathetic, and his episodes are the worst of the series.

"De-evolutionize" officialy made him the biggest joke of a villain EVER that a show wants you to take seriously. Worse than filmation Skeletor, worse that DIC Cobra commander, worse than almost every villain who is actually SUPPOSED to be a parody of what animo embodies.

God I hate Animo. I hope he stays down forever or actually grows a motivation and SOMETHING that makes even a stretch of sense scientifically.at least he voiced by Mung Dal

[Bunai]

everything in Ben Series is Alien lol

i cant stop laughing at how much personality the dragon has.
Ben "you dont have to do this"
Dragon "i know, but i want too"

[Scirel]

at least he voiced by Mung Dal


Don`t get me wrong, the VA was fine, and he does good work. But the charachter he got stuck with was just Horrible.

[Grenzer]

To me this episode felt like a huge retcon. Everything we ever learned about the Forever Knights in the first series is basically swept away for a new origin that makes little sense. Why the heck would an organization exist for over a millenium to kill a monster that was already successfuly imprisoned? And if the Forever Knights knew about aliens, why did they never make the connection that the Dragon was an alien as well?

Very sloppy writing this week.

[Dudley]

ANYTHING is better than animo. I'd rather have the freaking christmas elf guys again before animo. He's the worst villain EVER. Not one thing he says even comes close to making sense scientifically, his motivation is pathetic, and his episodes are the worst of the series.

"De-evolutionize" officialy made him the biggest joke of a villain EVER that a show wants you to take seriously. Worse than filmation Skeletor, worse that DIC Cobra commander, worse than almost every villain who is actually SUPPOSED to be a parody of what animo embodies.

God I hate Animo. I hope he stays down forever or actually grows a motivation and SOMETHING that makes even a stretch of sense scientifically.

Now tell us how you really feel.....

Anyhoo, the episode was pretty nice. The Forever Knights are back to being reoccurring villains.
I do want Charmcaster to come back. This show needs a cute female villain.

[Polychrome]

I can't hate Animo too much... It was because of him that we were introduced to Ditto. (Ben changing into a self-cloning Yakko? That's just made of win.)

[vanidad]

Stay one alien dragon that really impresses me.

[Mad Mod 49]

I do want Charmcaster to come back. This show needs a cute female villain.


Comic Con is coming at the end of the month and it has an Alien Force Panel. Maybe there we'll learn if she, Hex, Animo, or heck, even Vilgax himself are ever gonna show up. (Goodbye and Good Riddance isn't canon after all, the true last we ever saw of ol' Vilgax was when he got flung lightyears away in Secret of the Omnitrix...a comeback isn't out of the question here. :evil:)

Not to mention the nagging question everyone wants answered...is Grandpa Max dead or not?

[Railith]

Hey Forever Knights, looking a little Space Marine there.

This was alright for a filler.

[zoombie]

I agree I want to see Charmcaster, Hex, and some of the other old villains again.

[Kagetsu]

Comic Con is coming at the end of the month and it has an Alien Force Panel. Maybe there we'll learn if she, Hex, Animo, or heck, even Vilgax himself are ever gonna show up. (Goodbye and Good Riddance isn't canon after all, the true last we ever saw of ol' Vilgax was when he got flung lightyears away in Secret of the Omnitrix...a comeback isn't out of the question here. :evil:)

Not to mention the nagging question everyone wants answered...is Grandpa Max dead or not?:ack: ummm, Grampa Max was in an episode, so he's clearly alive. And nothing about this show has anything to do with the original except the characters names. The main reason I dislike it,,, but I'm still hanging on.

This had to be the most absolute trite of any episode yet. Do they have a book of "Simple Story Lines for Beginning Writers"? I expect this "you need to understand people who are different" crap from E/I shows, but won't tolerate it in action shows. They have now made the Forever Knights complete pointless idiots. When I go completely negative about this show without possible redemption,,, this is the episode that I'll use as a starting point.

[Mad Mod 49]

ummm, Grampa Max was in an episode, so he's clearly alive.


No, I meant is he dead after the events in that episode, where he effectively seemed to blow himself up to stop the DNAliens. :sweat:

[Light Lucario]

I actually did enjoy this episode. I never really watched too much of the first series so I don't know how the Forever Knights acted and were treated back then. I did feel like everyone of them, except the boy who helped out Ben, Gwen and Kevin, aren't the sharpest swords in the castle. They take a vow to kill a so-called monster that they successfully captured a thousand years ago, won't listen to any kind of reason and just made it sound like they were the heroes protecting earth from the planet of dragons when they were the ones causing all of the fighting and destruction in the first place. Yeah, I kind of didn't like the ending with the leader placing this false hope and courage into the other knights. It just sounded pathetic to me.

I did really like seeing and hearing the dragon in this episode. It was kind of a weak point how the dragon was an alien, instead of being a regular dragon, but it was still pretty cool to me. It had a lot of personality with wanting revenge for losing a thousand years from his friends and family. Understandable, but it was a good thing Ben stopped him or else more destruction would have happened. At least he got away. Hopefully if the Forever Knight show up again, they won't act as foolishly towards completing their sworn goal to destroy the dragons.

[Mad Mod 49]

I never really watched too much of the first series so I don't know how the Forever Knights acted and were treated back then.


In the first series, the Forever Knights were an organization who collected, sold, and used alien tech and seemed more interested in uncovering alien secrets in general rather than just single-mindedly existing for the purpose of one alien dragon. But perhaps it was just because the "King" in the first series was an ex-Plumber. Maybe before it was like how it is now and once the king seen here came along, it went back to normal.

[Meson]

The alien dragon may be referenceing the movie Outlander (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outlander_(film)).

Otherwise, it is good to see the Forever Knights ina villian's role again.

[Kryten]

All dragons should talk. Otherwise they're just flying dinosaurs as far as I'm concerned.

Not just talk... they should all talk like Sean Connery.

THAT would be awesome.

[Mala Loba]

In the first series, the Forever Knights were an organization who collected, sold, and used alien tech and seemed more interested in uncovering alien secrets in general rather than just single-mindedly existing for the purpose of one alien dragon. But perhaps it was just because the "King" in the first series was an ex-Plumber. Maybe before it was like how it is now and once the king seen here came along, it went back to normal.

Maybe it was just me, but I got the distinct impression that this was a splinter group of the original Forever Knights...?

[creativerealms]

up next they are going to tell up that charmcaster never existed (who's hex again?)

No Hex and Charmcaster are going to end up being rouge members of Verdona's race (Forgot the name) I can feel it.

Oh andc Dr. animo will become an alien scientist and not a human mad scientist.

Sight well at least paradox is there to show us that not everything in Alien force is related to aliens.

[Meoshira]

No Hex and Charmcaster are going to end up being rouge members of Verdona's race (Forgot the name) I can feel it.

I wouldn't be surprised if that came true, considering in the extended commentary during the Ben 10 week, they mentioned Bezel was a totally different dimension and the charms originated from there. :sweat:

[Chykin]

I wouldn't be surprised if that came true, considering in the extended commentary during the Ben 10 week, they mentioned Bezel was a totally different dimension and the charms originated from there. :sweat: Maybe Bezel is what humans call the planet of Anodyne.:shrug:...

:sweat:

[Mad Mod 49]

I think the relics they use may be alien, but that doesn't neccesarilly mean they themselves are. Or at least I hope they're not. :sweat:

[creativerealms]

One way this episode could work is when Driscoll took over the Forever Knights he kept their original goal alive or claimed to when his new target were the plumbers. After all he was still getting them alien weapons, ones that could have been used on the dragons so he did not even have top change their goal, just alter it to suit him more.

[Master Toon]

It seems like Ben 10 is one of those series that makes everything into what the show is about. Meaning any other mythical creatures they come across will probably be aliens.

Since when are the Forever Knights just dragon slayers? I thought they were on a quest to collect and use alien tech for.. something.

[creativerealms]

It seems like Ben 10 is one of those series that makes everything into what the show is about. Meaning any other mythical creatures they come across will probably be aliens.

Since when are the Forever Knights just dragon slayers? I thought they were on a quest to collect and use alien tech for.. something.

Now we know what that "something" was, though it's quite underwelming.

I liked Ben Ten more when it felt more like a comic book with just aliens as the main theme but still some threats that were not alien based. There were mutants, mad scientists and magic that were all earthbound. Now everything has been altered to be alien based.

With the exception of Paradox.

[Chykin]

Yay Paradox!!! he's the only one keeping the series from being completely alien-based! wait... What about kevin?:shrug:

[Dudley]

Yay Paradox!!! he's the only one keeping the series from being completely alien-based! wait... What about kevin?:shrug:

He's probably got alien blood in him too.