CN Talkback: Pokemon D/P Battle Dimension [July] (Spoilers)

[Lazerboy5000]

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July 2008

Ash, Brock and Dawn continue there adventures through the land of Sinnoh, meeting some brand new Pokémon, rivals, and challenges along the way!

Normal Time: 9:30am Saturdays (Eastern)

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Last Time:
Team Galatic stole some kind of powerful artifact from the Solaceon Ruins.
Dawn's Contest is in Solaceon Town ended in another first round failure.
Because of this, Dawn will be taking some time off from contests in order to get herself back in the zone.
This last contest has also put Dawn in a depressed state, but she got some of her confidence back after meeting up with her childhood friend Leona.

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This Time:

July 6th, 2008
Riding the Winds of Change!
Several Gligar and a Gliscor are causing some issues in a nearby town. Ash decides he will try to stop the swarm, but he is going to need some help for this large task.

July 13th, 2008
Sleight of Sand!
Ash and Dawn come across a desert like field and decide that it would be a great place to relax and stretch out a bit, but Pachirisu is going to get in a little trouble.

June 20st, 2008
Lost Leader Strategy!
Ash has finally made it to Vilestone City. But Ash will meat a less-than-optimistic Gym Leader before they even enter the town.

June 27th, 2008
Crossing the Battle Line!
Dawn, who is still felling down from her last contest will take on the Gym Leader, who is also dealing with some rough times as well.

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Notes:
July is the warmest month of the year, and the action is just about to heat up.
And since we have made it to Vilestone City this month, I can guaranty that we will see Paul at least once this month.
And I hope all of you enjoyed a great 4th of July today. :D :D :D
Oh, and since Blue Dragon will not be airing any more, and encore episode of last week's episode will now air at 9:00am

[LordTerminal]

Two on one? Okay now he's cheating. Okay maybe not since that Gliscor is sicking so many Gligar on Paul.

And how does an electric attack hurt a freaking GROUND/FLYING? I hate it when the show disregards type match-ups.

Oh this has gotta be some kind of freaking joke. It's not so much that Paul caught Gliscor that bothers me. It's that Ash also caught a Gligar as well. Ash already has Turtwig and Paul has Torterra. That's already one Pokemon both trainers have on their team. Do they really need another?

I also heard in the recent Japanese episode that Gligar evolves into a Gliscor itself. Taking the situation even further.

[New Noise™]

Pretty good episode, IMO. I had a feeling that Ash was going to get his hands on that Gligar from the start. As LordTerminal said, I'm not too sure how I feel about Paul having the same Pokémon as Ash, but what're you going to do about it?

[zoombie]

I knew that Ash was going to catch that slow Gligar from the beginning.

A couple of thoughts I had when I first saw Gilscor and the Gilgars is good thing Misty ain't here. She hates bug type Pokemon, how would she react to bat and scorpian type Pokemon. I also thought maybe Myotismon is back. LOL

[Lazerboy5000]

i think you mean Gliscor, not Glion.
Yes, I just relized that this morning. Sorry about the mistake.

Well, like everyone else so far, I had a destinct feeling that there was a good chance that Ash was going to end up catching that Gligar. I kept sticking its tounge out :p which gave it a unique characteristic that most of Ash's pokemon have.

Yeah, Paul keeps calling Ash pathetic, but having to go two on one... that's almost as bad as Team Rocket. >_>

And Paul catches yet another pokemon, but at least this time, Ash kept pase as he catches one for himself (and in the "Oh, I think it likes you," kind of way). :shrug:
Oh this has gotta be some kind of freaking joke. It's not so much that Paul caught Gliscor that bothers me. It's that Ash also caught a Gligar as well. Ash already has Turtwig and Paul has Torterra. That's already one Pokemon both trainers have on their team. Do they really need another?
I agree. Also, they both had a Starlyat one point. But I guess they are just showing how similar trainers Paul and Ash really are even if they seem like complete oppisates at first glance.

[Light Lucario]

I thought that this was a pretty good episode too. I actually forgot that Paul had a Weavile in his team. It took me awhile to remember it. I thought that it was interesting that the Gligar and Gliscor were trapped in the city like that. I thought that they could just fly low to the ground and go back to the forest that way. Their radar sound waves also made them appear more like bats than any scorpian. Man, Paul was such a jerk, again, telling Ash and his friends to stay out of his way. He really is the same old guy. Seeing his two Pokemon attack Gilscor like that was pretty mean since it is suppose to be just one-on-one. I have to admit that having both of his Pokemon land on him was a nice taste of payback.

I had a feeling that Paul would catch Gliscor since that was what he wanted to do. He really was a jerk towards the Gilgar about not caring about them. At least we're close to Velistone City and I really hope that we get to see more of Paul and learn more about him. Using Gust like that to send the Gilgar back home was a pretty good idea. I had a feeling that Ash would catch a Gilgar, especially since it had that cute look on its face. I understand what people are taking about with Ash and Paul catching similar Pokemon, but I'm sure that its just meant for how different, yet similar they are as trainers. It was also really cool to see Turtwig finally master Energy Ball. Overall, it was a fun episode. I hope that we'll see more of Paul in the later episodes, as well as Lucario because that is my favorite Pokemon.

I knew that Ash was going to catch that slow Gligar from the beginning.

A couple of thoughts I had when I first saw Gilscor and the Gilgars is good thing Misty ain't here. She hates bug type Pokemon, how would she react to bat and scorpian type Pokemon. I also thought maybe Myotismon is back. LOL

I don't think that a Gilgar would scare Misty. She obviously has a fear of Bug type Pokemon, but that never happened for Pokemon that may look like a bug. I don't think that Gilscor even looks much like a bug. Both Gilscor and Gilgar look more like large colored bats to me.

[CyberCubed]

Misty saw a Gligar in the Gligarman episode back in Johto. I haven't seen that episode in years so I don't remember if she was afraid of it or not.

[zoombie]

Misty saw a Gligar in the Gligarman episode back in Johto. I haven't seen that episode in years so I don't remember if she was afraid of it or not.

Well it was funny thoughts I was thinking at the time, I can't go back and research history. Sper of the moment thought.

But searously bat like creatures in a show like Pokemon remind me of Myotismon, as much as real bats remind of Dracula.

[yoshirider13]

Haha PUSA actually called it a rice ball in this episode. I bet 4kids would have edited it into a sandwhich or something...

[D Dubbs]

Haha PUSA actually called it a rice ball in this episode. I bet 4kids would have edited it into a sandwhich or something...

Doubt it. 4Kids kept a rice ball in a recent episode of Dinosaur King and called it rice.

[Lazerboy5000]

Man, Paul was such a jerk, again, telling Ash and his friends to stay out of his way. He really is the same old guy. Seeing his two Pokemon attack Gilscor like that was pretty mean since it is suppose to be just one-on-one. I have to admit that having both of his Pokemon land on him was a nice taste of payback.
Now that was by far the best part of this episode. Paul is so stuborn and have, not just one, but two of his pokemon getting knocked back into his face (literally) must have been really embarrassing.

[TKnHappyNess]

I don't get why Dawn was yelling at TR and telling them to let Gliscor and Gligar go. 1. Those are wild, so they're fair game for anyone. 2. Wasn't the whole plan to get rid of Gliscor and the Gligar from the city in the first place? TR's just doing it all in one fell swoop. The plan Joy and Jenny had failed, due to TR being blasted off and their balloon crashing into the building.

[CyberCubed]

I don't get why Dawn was yelling at TR and telling them to let Gliscor and Gligar go. 1. Those are wild, so they're fair game for anyone.

If TR capture a wild Pokemon with a Pokeball, then its fair game and it belongs to them. If they try to capture wild Pokemon with a net, or a machine, or whatever, its considered poaching.

They kind of touched up on this in some eps in the past, but I can see why it would be confusing.

[zoombie]

If TR capture a wild Pokemon with a Pokeball, then its fair game and it belongs to them. If they try to capture wild Pokemon with a net, or a machine, or whatever, its considered poaching.

They kind of touched up on this in some eps in the past, but I can see why it would be confusing.

It was a Packirisu that Dawn caught, than let go, than Team Rocket found it, Dawn changed her mind and wanted Packirisu, TR said they caught fair and square, Brock said TR got the Pokemon fair and square, and then had a battle or something similar to settle the differences.

[MasterofRoku]

And how does an electric attack hurt a freaking GROUND/FLYING? I hate it when the show disregards type match-ups.

[/spoiler]

Actually Gligar is a Poison/Flying type.

[Lightning Tiger]

Actually Gligar is a Poison/Flying type.

no, both Gligar and Gliscor are Earth/Flying

[Golden Darkness]

It was a Packirisu that Dawn caught, than let go, than Team Rocket found it, Dawn changed her mind and wanted Packirisu, TR said they caught fair and square, Brock said TR got the Pokemon fair and square, and then had a battle or something similar to settle the differences.

I thought Pachirisu chose Dawn in the end.

[zoombie]

I thought Pachirisu chose Dawn in the end.

Your right, that was the or something I was referring to.

[zoombie]

I swear could one time, the twerbs just step aside and let the two divisions of Team Rocket duke it out? Sometime can the writers just let that happen. How often that TR step aside and be part of meaningless B story when Ash has his battles.

Anyway Cassidy's new voice is awful, not as good as the 4 Kids voice. Butch still sounds the same, like an old man that has smoking all his life.

I don't know why Jessie never called on this, but Cassidy skirt is so retro and out of date. It is like something from the 60's.

[CyberCubed]

Cassidy's new voice was the same as the last time they appeared, so its not the first time it was heard, I remember liking it last season.

[zoombie]

Cassidy's new voice was the same as the last time they appeared, so its not the first time it was heard, I remember liking it last season.

I think you mean two seasons ago, the first season post 4 Kids was the last of AG. I know they didn't appear last season, Dawn reactions to them in this episode says that.

[bigddan11]

Cassidy's new voice was the same as the last time they appeared, so its not the first time it was heard, I remember liking it last season.
It was technically the last episode of Battle Frontier, but it could also be confused as the first D&P episode, when Ash sets sail for Sinnoh. Either way Dawn wouldn't recognize them because it was when Ash was on his way to Sinnoh, before Jesse and James arrived in Sinnoh. If you remember, they returned to Team Rocket's headquarters to inform Giovanni that they had conquered the land May was from and were now going to do the same in Sinnoh. Butch and Cassidy then showed up with all these new toys they had gotten from Giovanni for being the #1 Team Rocket team. This led Jesse and James to ask for new equipment, which in turn led them to gain pogo sticks.

[Shift]

It was technically the last episode of Battle Frontier, but it could also be confused as the first D&P episode, when Ash sets sail for Sinnoh. Either way Dawn wouldn't recognize them because it was when Ash was on his way to Sinnoh, before Jesse and James arrived in Sinnoh. If you remember, they returned to Team Rocket's headquarters to inform Giovanni that they had conquered the land May was from and were now going to do the same in Sinnoh. Butch and Cassidy then showed up with all these new toys they had gotten from Giovanni for being the #1 Team Rocket team. This led Jesse and James to ask for new equipment, which in turn led them to gain pogo sticks.
Wasn't that before the BF started? They appeared then in the 4Kids dub, and reappeared near the end of BF with their TAJ voices.

[Light Lucario]

This was a fun yet weird episode. I thought the beginning was really cute, especially with all of the Pokemon playing together. I thought that it was funny how Pachirisu got stuck inside of Hippowdon. One thing that was definitely weird was how during the whole episode Pachirisu kept on poking out of the different holes in Hippowdon. I kept on getting a mental picture of Pachirisu traveling through Hippowdon's internal organs in order to come out of its nose and the holes on its back. Now I have that distribing metal picture again. Anyway, it was nice to see Hippopotas again. It really goes behave well with Ash and that was nice to see again.

So we see Butch and Cassidy again. Yeah, I am so tired of the whole forgetting Butch's names bit. I can understand why Brock and James wouldn't remember Butch's name, but I find it so unbelievable that Cassidy herself would mix up his name. Of course, that happened in Chronicles, which was when Butch and Cassidy became exactly like Jessie and James, except less funny in my opinion. Becoming Prof. Nanba's personal employees, not to mention forgotting his name as well, didn't really help their characters either. I wasn't surprised that Ash and the gang left both Team Rocket groups to fight each other. They've done that before when Team Rocket and any other group were fighting with each other.

At least they were able to get Pachirisu back after Hippowdon practically threw it back out. Great, that picture's back in my head again. It was pretty cool seeing Hippowdon and Hippopotas teaming up to take out Team Rocket. Overall, it was a pretty good episodes. A bit weird at times with how Pachirisu could travel through Hippowdon like that, but it was enjoyable. Hopefully, next week's episodes will be even more enjoyable and I believe that they even make it to the next town. By the way, the two episode titles for the rest of the month have been revealed so the first page could be updated with them.

[bigddan11]

Wasn't that before the BF started? They appeared then in the 4Kids dub, and reappeared near the end of BF with their TAJ voices.
There may have been one similar when 4Kids had the dub, but no, the scene I'm referring to was in the last episode of Battle Frontier. It was the same episode where Max was setting sail for home, May was headed to Jhoto, and Ash and Brock were headed home. Ash then ran into Gary, and they had a battle. That's when Ash learned of all the new Poke'Mon in Sinnoh, so he decided to head there to further his quest to become a Poke'Mon Master. Jesse and James hadn't contacted Giovanni since they had left following Ash to the land Max and May were from, so since Giovanni's place was on the way following Ash, they stopped and gave him their report. That's when they learned of all the goodies Butch and Cassidy had received for being the #1 Team Rocket team, and that' when they said they had conquered the land Max and May were from and would now conquer Sinnoh for Giovanni.

[Lazerboy5000]

Well, the beging of this episode kind of caught me by suprise. Usually when the gang comes across a desert they moan and gron and then try to figure out why there's a desert there... so when they considered it a place to play, that's what caught me off guard.

I thought it was completly weird that Pachirisu went in Hippowdon's mouth and kept comming out of all it's holes. I can't stress how weird I thought that was. :( And was that really the same Hippopotas from before? Cool.

Anyway Cassidy's new voice is awful, not as good as the 4 Kids voice. Butch still sounds the same, like an old man that has smoking all his life.
I didn't like Cassidy's voice either. The 4Kids voice was much better.

But I did like how Cassidy and Butch made an apperence. They're a little closer to being the "real Team Rocket" but they're still not that great, but at least more of a threat than Jessie and James.

I also think they went a little overboard with messing up Prof. Nanba's name.

So this was a so-so episode for me. I didn't like it all that much.
By the way, the two episode titles for the rest of the month have been revealed so the first page could be updated with them.
Don't worry, I'm on it.


Gligar = ;P

[zoombie]

I still think Cassidy skirt is out of date, you can call it retro if you want, but this is 2008 not 1968.

[CyberCubed]

I love the Butch/Cassidy episodes, including this one.

They had their debut episode in Kanto, then re-appeared in Orange during "Pikachu Revolts," then they had two appearances during Johto, "The Fortune hunters" and then two or three eps during the Whirl Islands, then they appeared in like 5 Pokemon Chronicles episodes, they appeared in one episode at the very end of Hoenn when TR return to see Giovanni, then get another episode during Battle Frontier, and now this one in D/P.

Come to think of it, I think we get at least one Butch/Cassidy episode every half a year or so.

[D Dubbs]

LOL at Shuckle. I forgot that Butch had that. What a goofy Pokémon. I also liked the various facial expressions of the mecha Pokémon and Team Rocket's balloon.

Cassidy's voice is alright, but I don't like Butch's voice at all. I think Jimmy Zoppi is trying too hard to imitate Stuart's Butch. Professor Namba is the same, but that's not suprising since Zoppi was the voice of Namba in the 4Kids dub.

[CyberCubed]

Butch sounds really close to his old voice. I couldn't tell the difference.

[LordTerminal]

Sounds like they're using the Brawl voice actor for Lucario. Of course this one doesn't talk.

So THAT'S how Lucario uses Bone Rush. It should be called the Jedi Pokemon.

Paul has a brother?

So Paul evolved his Murkrow off-screen. That's just like him. And he's caught a Magmar too? He already has Electabuzz! This was the same problem I had with Gary having both Nidoking and Nidoqueen.

Ouch. He insulted a Gym Leader. Urge to smack Paul with a lead pipe......rising.........RISING!

So Reggie is stronger than Paul. That might explain some things.

Okay maybe he isn't. Ash beat him after all. Or maybe Ash just got lucky.

[Lightning Tiger]

So Paul evolved his Murkrow off-screen. That's just like him. And he's caught a Magmar too? He already has Electabuzz! This was the same problem I had with Gary having both Nidoking and Nidoqueen.


i dont get it, i see the Nidoking/Nidoqueen thing, but whats wrong or weirerd about having both Magmar and Electabuz.

[pokefiend]

For those of you who don't already know: Rachael Lillis (Misty's and Jessie's former VA in the 4kids dub) played Maylene in today's episode. She will continue voicing Maylene it seems for next week's episode and the following week's episode. It's getting pretty exciting to see PUSA hiring old 4kids VAs for supporting character roles.

So Reggie is stronger than Paul. That might explain some things.

Okay maybe he isn't. Ash beat him after all. Or maybe Ash just got lucky.

You must remember, Reggie was in severe elemental disadvantages:

Turtwig = grass
Bibarel = water
Grass > Water

Pikachu = electric
Staraptor = flying
Electric > Flying

[Shift]

For those interested, Lillis did indeed play Maylene, Bill Rogers played Lucario as he did in SSBB, Julian Reboledo played Paul and possibly Reggie, as well, and Mike Pollock played the blackbelt. Tom Wayland played Bibarel again, and maybe Reggie, but not so likely, and no clue who played Swalot; either Wayland or Rogers.
There may have been one similar when 4Kids had the dub, but no, the scene I'm referring to was in the last episode of Battle Frontier. It was the same episode where Max was setting sail for home, May was headed to Jhoto, and Ash and Brock were headed home. Ash then ran into Gary, and they had a battle. That's when Ash learned of all the new Poke'Mon in Sinnoh, so he decided to head there to further his quest to become a Poke'Mon Master. Jesse and James hadn't contacted Giovanni since they had left following Ash to the land Max and May were from, so since Giovanni's place was on the way following Ash, they stopped and gave him their report. That's when they learned of all the goodies Butch and Cassidy had received for being the #1 Team Rocket team, and that' when they said they had conquered the land Max and May were from and would now conquer Sinnoh for Giovanni.Late to reply, but Giovanni didn't even appear until the first eps of DP...

[Raditz]

For those of you who don't already know: Rachael Lillis (Misty's and Jessie's former VA in the 4kids dub) played Maylene in today's episode. She will continue voicing Maylene it seems for next week's episode and the following week's episode. It's getting pretty exciting to see PUSA hiring old 4kids VAs for supporting character roles.
So THAT'S why I thought the voices for all the new characters in this episode were so damn good. >_>

[LordTerminal]

i dont get it, i see the Nidoking/Nidoqueen thing, but whats wrong or weirerd about having both Magmar and Electabuz.

Maybe it's just how I see it but I see them as the counterparts to each other. Probably stems from the old R/B/Y days when Electabuzz and Magmar were both version specific.

Plus usually when a character gets an older gen. Pokemon, it's only because it has an evolution that the writing staff can pimp out when necessary.

[pokefiend]

Well I don't think the writers could've done much about Magmar since it evolves into Magmortar and there aren't many Sinnoh fire pokemon at all.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Crap, I missed a bit of the episode. Is there a repeat any time soon?

So, how many badges did Shinji's brother have? It looked like Kantô, Jôto, Hoenn, Shinnô, and the Battle Frontier.

[Tash]

Well I don't think the writers could've done much about Magmar since it evolves into Magmortar and there aren't many Sinnoh fire pokemon at all.
Not to mention that Paul has a team full of intimidating Pokemon, and the only two non-starters who could fit the theme are Magmar and Arcanine. (and Gary already used Arcanine)

[Light Lucario]

Crap, I missed a bit of the episode. Is there a repeat any time soon?

So, how many badges did Shinji's brother have? It looked like Kantô, Jôto, Hoenn, Shinnô, and the Battle Frontier.

It will repeat next Saturday right before the new episode starts. I think that they've been doing that for repeats since they took Blue Dragon off of the block. As for the badges, you're right. He has all of the badges and Frontier symbols that Ash has, as well as the Shinno badges that he has yet to earn.

I thought that the episode was really great. I loved how Ash could tell that the attack was an Aura Sphere. It was really awesome to see Lucario move like that. I thought that Maylene and Lucario were training together, but it did seem a bit mad. I so loved the way that Lucario used Bone Club. That looks so much cooler than I thought that it would be. The moment I saw the Lucario, I knew that this episode would be awesome that I would be just loving seeing Maylene's Lucario in action. I thought that it was Paul's Electabuzz at first, but it looked too happy. It was really fun to see Pikachu and Piplup fight it for awhile.

That leads us to Paul's brother, who seemed to be much more friendly than Paul is. It was interesting to learn that he is a breeder. Paul must take Ash at least a bit seriously if he tells his brother about how his Pikachu can used Volt Tackle. So poor Maylene lost to Paul. That's too bad. It wasn't really her fault. After all, her Pokemon were up against types that had an advantage over them. I wasn't surprised that Paul evolved his Murkrow or that he caught a Magmar. Magmortar is the only other non-starter and legendary Pokemon in the forth generation and it was pretty obvious that his Murkrow would have evolved when we found out he had one. I thought that he was being completely rude and mean to Maylene after he won. Not only is it hard for Pokemon to win against their opponents with a type advantage, but Maylene is still new at being a gym leader and needs time to grow as a leader and develop her skills even further with her Pokemon.

I felt bad that Maylene wanted to quite being a gym leader after that. I love how her Lucario wanted to come to her and that it did, along with Dawn. It felt like she could relate to Maylene since she's having second thoughts about being a coordinator. Considering how she hasn't been doing well in contests lately, that would be an understandable thought to think about. Lucario just looked so adorable and tough that I would have loved to see it in action more. Enters Team Rocket with the perfect timing. I loved how Team Rocket tried to get Lucario on their side with gifts and offers. I especially loved the part where Jessie offered Lucario a bite of chocolate. That was like a nod to the Lucario movie where Max gave it some chocolate. That was so funny. It was just totally awesome to see Lucario use Bone Club on Team Rocket to blast them off. That was great to see.

It was interesting to see that Reggie remembered Chimchar. I bet that he could tell how much happier it was with Ash. A battle sounded really cool, especially when we learned that those were Reggie's badges and symbols on the mantel, not Paul's. I thought that he would be tough to beat and I was right. Turtwig's Energy Ball had a lot of power against Bibarel. It was awesome to see how stronger it has gotten. Even though Staravia lost, I really thought that its speed had improve and it looked pretty stronger too. Seeing Staraptor in action was pretty cool too. Despite the recoil damage, they make Brave Bird look so much more powerful and useful than in the game. I'm glad that Ash did win the match with his Pikachu. Most of his Pokemon had the advantage, but it was still a good match. And now Staravia will learn Brave Bird. That's interesting.

Before Ash can get a battle with Maylene, Dawn will battle her. Now that's something completely different. I have a feeling that Dawn won't win, but these kinds of battles are still interesting to watch. I'm just looking foreword to seeing more of Maylene's Lucario in battle, most likely making it tough for Dawn to win. Overall, it was a great episode with some good battle moments. I'm really going to love watching next week's episode, if only for the part of the battle with Lucario.

[TKnHappyNess]

Reggie has all the badges from the 4 regions, and 6 of the 7 Battle Symbols. Looks like the 4Kids VAs aren't getting paid as much due to their employer losing money by picking up crap no one's interested in.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

I hope Reiji shows up again, espicially at the Shinnô League.

[Shift]

Reggie did have everything EXCEPT the final Frontier symbol; that's Ash's honor, I guess.

[peterg14]

Yes, Reggie has all the badges Ash has (minus the OI) and 6 frontier symbols, but not the Brave Symbol which you get from Brandon. People like to go on about how this could mean that Brandon is Reggie and Paul's father, since Paul looks a lot like Brandon and now the Regi/=/Reggie (Reiji in the Japanese version, but sounds close to Regi) naming, but I don't know.

[CyberCubed]

I hope Reiji shows up again, espicially at the Shinnô League.

I'm hoping he becomes Brock's replacement in the future. I know that probably won't happen, but having him on the group while Paul being a rival would be pretty interesting.

[New Noise™]

My cousin couldn't get over the fact that if Reggie was a skilled trainer, then why was he using a Bibarel? LOL.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

My cousin couldn't get over the fact that if Reggie was a skilled trainer, then why was he using a Bibarel? LOL.

Bibarel's are sweet, though. Super Fang for the win!

I should join Team Galaxy...

[PC!]

It must be really awkward for Lillis, one of the stars of Pokemon for 8 years, to return to the show in but a fairly small role.

Still, it's great to hear her voice again. ^^

Why exactly is PUSA gradually bringing back all these 4Kids VAs anyway?

[Jacob T. Paschal]

That was Lillis? Huh...guess I didn't care enough to recognize her.

As for 'bringing back 4Kids VAs', they probably aren't. The VAs could have returned if they wanted to, there's nothing binding them to 4Kids exclusively.

[peterg14]

There was a contract that said something like, the 4Kids VAs could do voices on Pokemon, but they wouldn't be able to do their old roles, like Veronica Taylor could have been Anabel, but not Ash, for 2 years, starting around the time PUSA got the dubbing license. But now that the contract is up, 4Kids VA, can come back to Pokemon now. But they probably won't get their old roles back since PUSA seems pretty contempt with their old cast and some of the main VAs, like Veronica Taylor and Eric Stuart, still seem to be bitter about the whole thing.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

That can't be right, and even if it is, Zoppi came back under another name, if they really wanted to they could have come back under different names.

[peterg14]

Yeah, but Zoppi and Kayze Rogers broke the contract. They've done no work for 4Kids since they went over. Actors like Dan Green and Rachael Lillis went over after the 2 year contract was over, so they'll still have their 4Kids roles.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Where's the proof of the 'contract'?

[peterg14]

Their is no actually paper proof of the contract, since PUSA doesn't realase that kind of stuff to the public, but there's this (http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?t=21911&page=13), well basically that page and the one after it has proof. The sources are pretty reliable, and that would explain why we're hearing Dan Green and other 4Kids VAs on Pokemon 2 years after the VA switch.

Oh and for the record, I take no stance on that VA mess. I'm fine with the cast now, I was just pointing out why we're hearing Rachael Lillis now.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

That's still bull crap and on the hands of the actors.

I just hope "Use the original cast now!" rants don't begin popping up.

[CyberCubed]

Yeah, that wouldn't happen anyway. PUSA is not going to fire all the current cast.

I've actually grown to like them all to be honest. Ash's voice had a really rough start in Battle Frontier but its improved tremendously over the course of DP.

I'm fairly content with the voices of all the characters. I do sometimes wish Zoppi would stop giving James that psuedo-british accent, but what can you do.

[D Dubbs]

So THAT'S why I thought the voices for all the new characters in this episode were so damn good. >_>

Heh, I chuckled at this. 4Kids and "damn good" don't usually appear in the same breath. Though it's true that the VAs are fairly well respected, for the most part.

This was a good episode...though Lucario's new voice actor isn't working too well for me. I guess it doesn't matter too much, since all he does is grunt anyway.

[Lazerboy5000]

Thread note: this episode got a big responce, so I'm going to try indivual talkbacks next month. We'll see how that works.

Lucario: one of my favorite pokemon. It was cool to see Mayline deflect the Aura Spheres. I thought that most of the Arua Spheres would just explode after contact. Bone Rush was a cool move too. I can't wait to see what other attacks Lucario knows.

Paul's got an older brother?! Maybe that's why he acts so sour... but Regie is a cool guy for a trainer. And after seeing all those badges... holy crap he's good. But he's only got 6 frontier symbols. But Brandon was relaly though, it took Ash 3 times to beat him.

Yeah, Ash had the advantage during the battle, but it still was close both ways. I'm a little confused with Brave Bird. It started out as a fire attack, but then changed to what looked like an ice attack... but than it looked like Staraptor took some electric recoil... but Pikachu was only trying to dodge it.

Paul... yes, he's an a-hole, but Mayline is taking it pretty hard. But I was suprised that Dawn asked to have a gym battle (actually, she didn't say "gym" battle, but she did ask for a battle nonetheless).

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Individual talkbacks? Crap, I always forget about these threads 'cause I don't come to the CN forum. >.>

[pokefiend]

I think individual talkback threads are a great idea, especially for the exciting next three episodes.

[D Dubbs]

Individual talkbacks? Crap, I always forget about these threads 'cause I don't come to the CN forum. >.>

What? You post in these threads on a weekly basis...

[Jacob T. Paschal]

What? You post in these threads on a weekly basis...

The magic of Instant email notification (even though it also pops up in my User CP). Why do you think I posted so late in this thread? I had forgotten to subscribe to this one.

[Rae78]

That's still bull crap and on the hands of the actors.

I just hope "Use the original cast now!" rants don't begin popping up.

How was that bull crap? The actors said it wasn't about contracts. You just choose not to believe them.

[Light Lucario]

Well, this was an interesting episode today. Dawn challenging a gym leader. Yeah, I can totally saw who was going to win a mile away. It was nice to see Ash and Staravia training for that Brave Bird move. I also liked how Ash is more a part of it in this training than he usually is. He usually tries to get his Pokemon attack non-moving targets instead of himself. It was also good to see how Reggie thought that Dawn didn't look like the kind of trainer to go for both gym battles and contests, which I agree with completely. I'll be honest. I kind of laughed when Dawn explained her lineup. Mainly because she has two normal types going up against fighting types. I know that with the series the type advantage isn't always an issue and experience comes into play as well, but Dawn is still a rookie and she hasn't had much experience battling either. Still, I thought that it would be a good match, or at the very least entertaining.

It was kind of funny to see Lucario get mad at Maylene for getting hungry when they were meditiating. It was also funny to see Team Rocket discuss how to get a strong Pokemon like Lucario and then realizing that they needed to go for something smaller. I liked see how Dawn was nervous about her gym battle and how Ash and Brock could relate. I have to admitt that Dawn's shout to challenge the gym was kind of funny, as well as Team Rocket's reaction to her entering the gym as a challenger.

Now that battle was really good. I had a feeling that Maylene would start off with her Meditite. While I still think that Dawn's lineup wasn't good at all, I was glad that she did something with her Buneary. She honestly hasn't done much with that cute little bunny since her first contests, which is kind of sad. It was really cool to see how Meditite used Buneary's Bounce and Ice Beam against it with Confusion and Drain Punch. I wasn't surprised that Dawn lost the first round like that. Seeing her use her Ambipom next and beating Meditite was kind of surprising, but I guess that she had an advantage considering that Meditite was a bit tired from the last battle. Even before the battle happened, I could honestly have seen Dawn beating Meditite, but not much of anything else.

I was kind of surprised that Maylene used Lucario next. I thought that she was going to use Machoke, but this worked for me since I love Lucario. I loved the way that it used Bone Club on Ambipom and how that it only took one hit to knock it out. So now it was Piplup against Lucario. Yeah, the winner was pretty much decided here, but it was still interesting to watch how the battle turned out. The only hit that Dawn was able to land on Lucario was just one Peck attack, which I don't think is that much of an advantage at all against Lucario since its Steel type trait prevents Flying type moves to be as effective as they are against other Fighting Pokemon like Meditite. It was also interesting to see how Dawn approaches the battle like a contest battles, which kind of proves how she handles the battles better than the appeal rounds of a contest. I also loved how Maylene did the same movements as her Pokemon did, especially with Lucario's Aura Sphere. I have to admit that they made Force Palm look so much cooler in the series than they did in the game. I loved how that was the way Lucario defeated Piplup.

Of course, I didn't think for a moment that Dawn would win. She is just not that experienced yet to take down someone like Maylene who has so much more experience than she does. I could see her becoming a better coordinator if she trains herself and her Pokemon, but as of now, I honestly don't think that she could win against someone like Maylene and that she needs a lot of work for her next contests. I also think that this was a one time deal with Dawn doing a gym battle since she just wanted to help restore Maylene's confidence, which was nice and one of the best parts of the battle for me. So it looks like Ash will be challenging Mayline as soon as Staravia learns Brave Bird. Now that will be a great match to see and I'm sure it will be much more of a challenge for Mayline.

Overall, this was a great episode. It had an enjoyable battle, even though it was pretty clear that Maylene would win. If not for the fact that Dawn herself is still a beginner, it would be so she could regain a sense of confidence and enjoyment for battling so that she could battle against Ash. I also just loved seeing Lucario in action again. I'm so looking foreword to Ash's battle against Maylene so we can see how well he can battle against Lucario.

[D Dubbs]

That was so weird having the narrator voice the referee. I was like, "What the heck, why is the narrator talking halfway through the episode?"

Anyway, I really like Rachel Lillis as Maylene.

"All I can think about was how much fun it was. Wow, it sure felt like old times."

Yes, Maylene, indeed it did. :D

Also, bonus points for using Lucario movie music.

[CyberCubed]

Great episode, I liked seeing Dawn try a Gym battle.

[Cryofalcon62]

This was a nice episode. It was great seeing Lucario (my favorite Pokémon) in action. And PUSA keeping the Movie 8 music during and after the battle between Maylene and Dawn made this episode even better. It was funny seeing how Team Rocket feared Lucario too much to even try to steal it. I REALLY think Ash needs to get a Lucario. Having one of those will make Ash tough to beat and Team Rocket wouldn't be so temping to steal from him. Especially since Ash has some kind of aura sense, having Lucario with him would seem like an excellent pairing.

But seriously, what's with the creators always giving Ash mediocre Pokemon? IMO, Charizard was the last TRULY kickass Pokemon Ash has ever owned besides Pikachu. So the creators should give Ash a Lucario, or a dragon Pokemon.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Who needs Lucario when you have Infernape? :p

[CyberCubed]

IMO, Charizard was the last TRULY kickass Pokemon Ash has ever owned besides Pikachu.

Aside from Charizard and Pikachu...

Sceptile, Glalie, Donphan, Heracross, Snorlax, Kingler, Muk, Tauros, Swellow, Torkoal, Bulbasaur, Squirtle, Corphish, etc. are all "kickass" Pokemon to me. :p

Ash just captured his DP Pokemon, give them time to develop and they'll get better as the show goes on.

[Cryofalcon62]

Who needs Lucario when you have Infernape? :p

Well, I guess you're right. Infernape does pwn.:D

[Cryofalcon62]

Aside from Charizard and Pikachu...

Sceptile, Glalie, Donphan, Heracross, Snorlax, Kingler, Muk, Tauros, Swellow, Torkoal, Bulbasaur, Squirtle, Corphish, etc. are all "kickass" Pokemon to me. :p

Ash just captured his DP Pokemon, give them time to develop and they'll get better as the show goes on.

Yeah those are cool Pokemon. But when I said Charizard was "TRULY Kickass", I meant that it's the kind of Pokemon that just by looking at it, you instantly know you're up against something strong.

[Lazerboy5000]

That was so weird having the narrator voice the referee. I was like, "What the heck, why is the narrator talking halfway through the episode?"
Yeah, that caught me off guard at first. It didn't seem as apparent the first time we heard that guy talk last episode.
Aside from Charizard and Pikachu...

Sceptile, Glalie, Donphan, Heracross, Snorlax, Kingler, Muk, Tauros, Swellow, Torkoal, Bulbasaur, Squirtle, Corphish, etc. are all "kickass" Pokemon to me. :p
Sure, they're all strong, but they're not all aces. In my opinion, Sceptile and Snorlax in addition to Charizard and Pikachu are the only kick ass pokemon Ash has. I also want to say Pidgeot, but Ash doesn't offically own Pidgeot anymore (which is a shame).

I agree that Ash and Lucario would be a good combanation, but for some reason the pairing would just feel right to me. Maybe it's becuase the two have already paired in movie 8 and I just can't see that kind of pairing again.


As for the episode. I thought Dawn had a chance... but maybe only like 3%. I wasn't expecting her to win, but the thought was in the back of my mind. But Dawn didn't have really much to choose from. The only pokemon she has is Piplup, Ambipom, Buneary, and Pachirisu... and she ovbiously wouldn't use Pachirisu in a gym battle. Mayline's Lucario was simply awesome. Lucario, also one of my favorite pokemon, showed off some of its great moves including Force Palm. I also thought that Mayline's battling style is awesome too as she moves as one with her pokemon. That's the kind of style I would use if I was a trainer. :anime:

Mayline won the match 3-1 (she knocked out 3 of Dawn's pokemon and only lost 1 of her's). But Dawn still put up a decent fight.

Staravia did pick up Brave Bird in a flash. Ash being the moving target was pretty funny. I would have thought that Staravia would have hit Ash at least once. However, I'm still a little confused as to what kind of move Brave Bird is. Is it a fire type move, or what?

[Light Lucario]

This was a nice episode. It was great seeing Lucario (my favorite Pokémon) in action. And PUSA keeping the Movie 8 music during and after the battle between Maylene and Dawn made this episode even better. It was funny seeing how Team Rocket feared Lucario too much to even try to steal it. I REALLY think Ash needs to get a Lucario. Having one of those will make Ash tough to beat and Team Rocket wouldn't be so temping to steal from him. Especially since Ash has some kind of aura sense, having Lucario with him would seem like an excellent pairing.

But seriously, what's with the creators always giving Ash mediocre Pokemon? IMO, Charizard was the last TRULY kickass Pokemon Ash has ever owned besides Pikachu. So the creators should give Ash a Lucario, or a dragon Pokemon.

I do agree with you that Ash having a Lucario would be totally awesome, especially since Lucario is my favorite Pokemon too. I would love to see Ash getting a Riolu and then having it evolve into Lucario. I'm sure Team Rocket would still try to steal from him even if Ash had a Lucario, simply because Team Rocket tries their best to get Pikachu, which can lead to some funny moments.

As for Ash's team, I agree with CyberCubed that Ash just got his D/P Pokemon and they need time to develop. If I recall correctly, his team in Advance didn't start out full of power house Pokemon and by the end of AG, I thought that he had raised and trained one of his best teams, almost right up there with his Kanto team. I also have to admit that practically all of Ash's Pokemon from his Kanto team and his whole AG team are completely strong Pokemon and tough to fight against. For Pokemon, at least in the series, you don't necessarily have to look tough, like Charizard does, in order to pull off a good fight.

Who needs Lucario when you have Infernape? :p

You do have a point there. Infernape would be an excellent Pokemon for Ash's team, but I still would love for him to get a Lucario too. Having both on his team would be seriously cool.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Not only is it redundant but Lucario's all over the darn region/games.

I'm also annoyed by the durn dog's popularity. I just don't see why its so popular but alas...

[Lightning Tiger]

I'm also annoyed by the durn dog's popularity. I just don't see why its so popular but alas...

um, its one of the coolest looking pokemon ever, just look at it.

[D Dubbs]

And it's the star of the best Pokémon movie.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

um, its one of the coolest looking pokemon ever, just look at it.

Don't try selling me an opinion as a fact, pal.

And it's the star of the best Pokémon movie.

That's up to opinion, really. I certainly wasn't entertained by the film.

[The Wolverine]

And it's the star of the best Pokémon movie.

um, its one of the coolest looking pokemon ever, just look at it.

Trufax.

[CyberCubed]

Lucario was popular enough for Nintendo to put him in Smash Bros, that should tell you something.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Ah well, the whole topic came up because I don't see much appeal in the guy.

Sort of like the Eeveelutions and their ilk of similar popularity.

[The Tyrant]

Ah well, the whole topic came up because I don't see much appeal in the guy.

Sort of like the Eeveelutions and their ilk of similar popularity.

Personally, I just think Espeon is cute and cool looking. I also like Pyschic type pokemon.

[Lazerboy5000]

Personally, I just think Espeon is cute and cool looking. I also like Pyschic type pokemon.
Umberon is my favorite of the Eeveelutions. Plus the dark type is one of my favorite types too. :anime:

To be honest, when I first saw Lucario, I thought that it was a Dark type, but I didn't find out until later that Lucario is actually a Fighting/Steel type... which explains why Paul used a fire type against it.

[Lightning Tiger]

i prefer Glaceon over all other Eevee evolutions, it just looks so cool.

[Light Lucario]

Not only is it redundant but Lucario's all over the darn region/games.

I'm also annoyed by the durn dog's popularity. I just don't see why its so popular but alas...

I wouldn't mind it if Ash had two Pokemon on his team with similar types. He did have two Grass types for nearly all of Johto. This is only Lucario's first appearance and it is only available in the game from getting it as a Riolu.

As for why Lucario is so popular, not only does that come from its awesome and cool design, but it is the star of the best Pokemon film. I know that's up to opinion, but I honestly feel that the Lucario movie is the best Pokemon movie.

In terms of Eevee evolutions, I didn't realize that they were that popular. I guess people like them for the chance to get seven Pokemon from just one. I prefer Espeon as an Eevee evolution for its cool design, its great stats as a Psychic type and I always loved how Eevee gets to become Espeon, as well as Umbreon, out of friendship.

[Lazerboy5000]

As for why Lucario is so popular, not only does that come from its awesome and cool design, but it is the star of the best Pokemon film. I know that's up to opinion, but I honestly feel that the Lucario movie is the best Pokemon movie.
I'm sure the majority of people would argue that either Movie 8 or Movie 5 were the best two movies. And Lucario is the only non-legendary pokemon to come out between the two movies. In fact, Lucario has been the only non-legendary pokemon to be featured in any of the movies. I'm sure that doesn't hurt when it comes to its popularity.

[zoombie]

After finally seeing the episode from last week, I wonder if Dawn will have anymore gym battles. If she does, I do hope one day she will have a gym battle with Cerulean City Gym leader.

[Light Lucario]

After finally seeing the episode from last week, I wonder if Dawn will have anymore gym battles. If she does, I do hope one day she will have a gym battle with Cerulean City Gym leader.

I don't think that Dawn will have another gym battle. It felt more like a one time thing since she wanted to re-new Maylene's confidence in her battling skills, as well as developing a new way for herself to battle in contests. As for a battle between Misty, who is the Cerulean City Gym Leader, and Dawn, I would like to think that even Misty could beat her, despite how her team is full of only Water types that aren't even that strong or good in battle and the best one she could use would be Gyarados. However, given that more of Dawn's Pokemon would have an advantage, or at least not be at such a huge disadvantage, I would think that she would put up a bit of a better fight. Of course, there's also the issue of experience, which Dawn has little compared to even Misty.

I'm sure the majority of people would argue that either Movie 8 or Movie 5 were the best two movies. And Lucario is the only non-legendary pokemon to come out between the two movies. In fact, Lucario has been the only non-legendary pokemon to be featured in any of the movies. I'm sure that doesn't hurt when it comes to its popularity.

That's true. Lucario is still the only non-legendary Pokemon to be the featured star of a movie and that would definitely help it out in terms of popularity. Of course, its awesome design and great stats in the game help it out too.