Toon Zone Talkback - CN Upfront 2008: "Ben 10: Race Against Time" Getting Sequel

[Maxie Zeus]

This is the talkback thread for CN Upfront 2008: "Ben 10: Race Against Time" Getting Sequel (http://news.toonzone.net/article.php?ID=22720).

Related note: Look for a review of the new "Ben 10" series soon here at Toon Zone.

[Sketch]

Well I figured it would get a sequel given the ratings it got but... sigh...

[macattack]

This does not surprise me but . . . eh, whatever. Hopefully it'll be better than the last one.

[Daxdiv]

I hope they included more of the aliens this time around, and still follows the first Ben 10 series.

[CartoonOverlord]

Who didn't see this coming?

[Jacob T. Paschal]

I'm hooping this will try to fit into the continuity of AF but so long as the budget is bigger I can swallow this film being a little cheesy like the first.

[Racattack!Force]

Who didn't see this coming?
*raises hand* It didn't see like something that could have open space for a sequel...

[Rolling Cloud]

*raises hand* It didn't see like something that could have open space for a sequel...

The ship at the end didn't give off a sequel clue to you? :p

[Silverstar]

Hopefully Gwen will have her magic powers this time around. She didn't really do all that much in the first movie.

[Draft]

Only suprise is these people dinna have a TV show yet

[Racattack!Force]

The ship at the end didn't give off a sequel clue to you? :p

Ship? I only saw a giant meteor. :sweat:

[The Cartoon]

You've got to be kidding. I personally didn't like the movie at all, but then, I have a problem with live action movies for cartoons. :D

[Light Lucario]

Yeah, no surprise here. After getting ratings that were that high, it would be pretty foolish of CN not to try and make a sequel out of it. I saw most of the movie myself and it wasn't that bad. It wasn't that good either, but that's just me. I do agree that it would be nice to see Gwen with her magic powers. Despite not watching the Ben 10 too often, I know most of the basic stuff from the parts that I do watch.

[Taylor Karras]

Hopefully Gwen will have her magic powers this time around. She didn't really do all that much in the first movie.

The movie was trying to be more realistic. Giving Gwen powers would ruin the sequal.

[bigddan11]

The movie was trying to be more realistic. Giving Gwen powers would ruin the sequel.
Where did the producers ever say they were trying to be more realistic? The entire concept of Ben 10 in and of itself is unrealistic. That's one of the reasons people enjoy watching it. They want to see what crazy plots are used to tell a single story. Gwen with her powers will only improve the overall quality of the story, assuming they don't use too many computer graphics with it.

[creativerealms]

The Live action movie was surprisingly good and I hope the sequel is better. I also hope for a bigger budget so we can get batter looking and more aliens.

[Blackstar]

The movie was trying to be more realistic. Giving Gwen powers would ruin the sequal.

Were the producers really striving for realism in a movie about a boy with a magic wristwatch that enables him to turn into super powered creatures from outer space? :sweat: And how do you know that Gwen having powers would ruin the sequel when there's not even a finished script for it yet?

[Racattack!Force]

Were the producers really striving for realism in a movie about a boy with a magic wristwatch that enables him to turn into super powered creatures from outer space? :sweat:
Exactly, it isn't exactly realistic, so they might as well put in Gwen's powers, and those kid aliens, and awesome space battles (I can dream of a Ben 10:AF space battle, can't I?).

[Silverstar]

Realism, shmealism. I'd personally rather see Gwen doing magic and helping out than just watching her shout "Look out, Ben!", "Go get 'em, Ben!" and "Help me, Ben!" for 120 minutes.

[Master Toon]

The movie was trying to be more realistic. Giving Gwen powers would ruin the sequal.

There's no such thing as realism in a fantasy based movie. :sweat:
Here's a plus, Gwen attains magical powers in the Ben 10 cartoon.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Were the producers really striving for realism in a movie about a boy with a magic wristwatch that enables him to turn into super powered creatures from outer space? :sweat: And how do you know that Gwen having powers would ruin the sequel when there's not even a finished script for it yet?

Alien techology, as in made from science, not magic. :p

[Racattack!Force]

Alien techology, as in made from science, not magic. :p
Even so, if you have science-fiction tech and aliens, why not throw in some fantasy magic? :shrug:

[Taylor Karras]

I was talking about the characters acting and the emotions of some characters.

In the cartoon, they're treated as kids. But in the movie, they're somewhat treated as human beings with feelings and emotions.

[Master Toon]

Alien techology, as in made from science, not magic. :p

So Hex and Charm Caster shouldn't make an appearance in the live action movies? I'm not saying they will but if they did, would you say they're being unrealistic?

[Racattack!Force]

So Hex and Charm Caster shouldn't make an appearance in the live action movies? I'm not saying they will but if they did, would you say they're being unrealistic?
I personally won't, be it's likely they won't fit into the plot, due to it focusing on sci-fi stuff. :yawn:

[Jacob T. Paschal]

So Hex and Charm Caster shouldn't make an appearance in the live action movies? I'm not saying they will but if they did, would you say they're being unrealistic?

I was speaking of the watch.

[Light Lucario]

I was talking about the characters acting and the emotions of some characters.

In the cartoon, they're treated as kids. But in the movie, they're somewhat treated as human beings with feelings and emotions.

From what I've seen in the cartoon series and the live-action movie, they're both treated as kids, with that standard bully thing for Ben in the movie, and I'm pretty sure that they were shown to have feelings and emotions in the episodes that I've seen.

And yeah, alien technology that allows a boy to turn into different aliens isn't really realistic to begin with. Having Gwen uses her magic powers would be interesting since someone other than Ben would be doing something and she wouldn't have to be cheering on the sidelines during the sequel.

[Racattack!Force]

I was talking about the characters acting and the emotions of some characters.

In the cartoon, they're treated as kids. But in the movie, they're somewhat treated as human beings with feelings and emotions.
You are basically saying that the characters are flat and two-dimensional, which they really aren't. :shrug:

[RonDrakenfan17]

Well I'm not shocked by this news at all. I mean the ending to the first film and the ratings to the film, well yah. Doesn't mean I'm happy about this, I wasn't excited for the idea in the first place. But I guess I'll give it a chance, at least it gives money to the Ben 10 francies and I'm a Ben 10 fan.

[Yung Remix]

I liked Ben 10: race against time so i will probably like this. im not a huge fan of ben 10 but for some reason i really liked the movie,which is weird because im not a fan of live action on CN. :confused:

[Blackstar]

Alien techology, as in made from science, not magic. :p

What's the dif? Alien technology is fantasy magic, since there's no solid proof of extraterrestrial life as of yet (at least, nothing that the people who run this planet have told us about yet!)

[Jacob T. Paschal]

What's the dif? Alien technology is fantasy magic, since there's no solid proof of extraterrestrial life as of yet (at least, nothing that the people who run this planet have told us about yet!)

But his watch is not magic, it's psuedo-technological science. You wouldn't call a Gundam a magic robot would you?

[Master Toon]

But his watch is not magic, it's psuedo-technological science. You wouldn't call a Gundam a magic robot would you?

With the speeds they move at in outer space, I just might.

[Blackstar]

But his watch is not magic, it's psuedo-technological science. You wouldn't call a Gundam a magic robot would you?

No, but since pseudo technology is science fiction, not science fact, it's no more realistic than magic. Therefore, it all falls into the category of fantasy.

Anyway, my point is that I fail to see how Gwen using magic in the live action movies would be any less realistic than Ben's use of the Omnitrix. It's all from the cartoon, so why not use it? Like Siverstar said earlier, I'd rather see Gwen using magic as opposed to her just following Ben around playing cheerleader and getting captured for a mild point of variety.

[Lavenderpaw]

No, but since pseudo technology is science fiction, not science fact, it's no more realistic than magic. Therefore, it all falls into the category of fantasy.

Anyway, my point is that I fail to see how Gwen using magic in the live action movies would be any less realistic than Ben's use of the Omnitrix. It's all from the cartoon, so why not use it? Like Siverstar said earlier, I'd rather see Gwen using magic as opposed to her just following Ben around playing cheerleader and getting captured for a mild point of variety.

Silverstar,Blackstar...?I'm guessing your siblings or best friends or something.

Anyway,I'm not too thrilled about a squeal either.

Gwen:Ben,Ben can you hear me Ben?Please snap out of it Ben! Puh-lease...

[Silverstar]

Silverstar,Blackstar...?I'm guessing your siblings or best friends or something.

Anyway,I'm not too thrilled about a squeal either.

Gwen:Ben,Ben can you hear me Ben?Please snap out of it Ben! Puh-lease...

Twin brothers, to be precise. :)

Back OT: with the ratings that Ben 10: Race Against Time scored, a sequel was inevitable. I'm only a casual Ben 10 viewer, but from the very start I objected to the bones that Gwen got tossed at the beginning of the series. She's good on the computer. Big whoop. Giving her magic to wield isn't any more far-fetched than Ben having an Omnitirx, and at least that way she'd have something to do.

[warnerbroman]

Twin brothers, to be precise. :)

Back OT: with the ratings that Ben 10: Race Against Time scored, a sequel was inevitable. I'm only a casual Ben 10 viewer, but from the very start I objected to the bones that Gwen got tossed at the beginning of the series. She's good on the computer. Big whoop. Giving her magic to wield isn't any more far-fetched than Ben having an Omnitirx, and at least that way she'd have something to do.other than torment her cousin

[Movie06]

I think by realistic, I think he/she meant X-Men or Transformers realistic. And I saw this coming, not because of the spaceship at the end but with those ratings. I don't see why not to a sequel.

[Racattack!Force]

Twin brothers, to be precise. :)

Knew you guys were brothers, but twins? :sweat: Anyway, I really do hope Gwen actually does something important in this one.

[warnerbroman]

Knew you guys were brothers, but twins? :sweat: Anyway, I really do hope Gwen actually does something important in this one.it was suprising when I found out too (do they have separate computers) I hope chamcaster returns

[Darklordavaitor]

(do they have separate computers)
They must. If they didn't, how could we get to see any of their epic double-team posts in action?

[Bones Justice]

I know the first movie got good ratings but did a lot of people really enjoy it? I know that I checked it out more due to curiousity than I expected it to be really good (much like the revival of stuff like "Knight Rider").

This movie was the perfect example of why animated is better for sci-fi / fantasy than live-action. You only need to compare "Secret of the Omnitrix" and "Race Against Time" to see why these movies should be animated. "Secret" would have had a budget comparable to a summer blockbuster if it had been done live-action.

Also, "Secret" had a good story that was not hampered by budget. You can tell that "Race" had to limit it's story to fit it's modest budget.

I'm not interested in a live-action sequel. Make another animated movie instead.

[Blackstar]

I know the first movie got good ratings but did a lot of people really enjoy it? I know that I checked it out more due to curiousity than I expected it to be really good (much like the revival of stuff like "Knight Rider").

This movie was the perfect example of why animated is better for sci-fi / fantasy than live-action. You only need to compare "Secret of the Omnitrix" and "Race Against Time" to see why these movies should be animated. "Secret" would have had a budget comparable to a summer blockbuster if it had been done live-action.

Also, "Secret" had a good story that was not hampered by budget. You can tell that "Race" had to limit it's story to fit it's modest budget.

I'm not interested in a live-action sequel. Make another animated movie instead.

That's a good point, actually. I'm sure that much of the reason why Ben 10: Race Against Time scored such high ratings was because CN hyped it to death and a lot of fans tuned in out of curiosity. That's not really an accurate assessment of how good the story itself was. RAT definitely suffered due to lack of money; the producers could only use 4 of Ben's 10 alien forms. It remains to be seen how well a live action sequel will do. Of course, hardcore fans will undoubtedly watch the sequel just because it's Ben 10, but if you ask me, a live action Ben 10 project was interesting to see once, but overall, animation should be the way to go for Ben 10.