Unsatisfied Scooby Doo mystery reverlations

[zoombie]

For all you Scooby Doo fans, are there any Scooby Doo mysteries in which the reverlation of the villain you were not satisfied? I am not talking about weather you thought the episode was entertaining or not, just the mystery it self.

Meaning any episodes in which you said to yourself, "It didn't make sense that is was that guy, it should have been the other guy."

I am sure with the many Scooby Doo episodes (excluding the early 80's when they went away from the mystery format, and the monster and ghost turned out to be real, as well as the early direct to video movies) over the years, we all have some.

I can think of a few, but not because the reverlation of the villain didn't makes sense, but because the motive was silly and stupid. The later episodes of What's New Scooby Doo is know for that. One in particular was Simple Plain And The Invisible Man. The villains wanted to get rid of Simple Plain, so they could start their own band.

Another episode a lousey skateboader thought she wasn't allowed in a skate boad competition because she was a girl, but in reality it was because she stunk.But some of them did get silly on the other shows as early as The Scooby Doo Show. For one example in one episode the villain turned out to be someone's evil twin.

Not to mention an episode of Pup Named Scooby Doo Night Of Living Burger the motive was a silly, they even said so at the end when Daphne told the villain "Why didn't you just get another job?"

I think Scooby Doo Where Are You!! did the best job of wrapping the mystery around so when the mystery is solved, everything makes perfect sense. And the motives was good motives as well.

[Silverstar]

Eh, when you have to write so many variations on the same basic theme, you're bound to come up with some stinkers now and again.

[Eric B]

I'll have to think on this one, but the most glaring thing I can think of for now is the Jeannie episode, which even though it had a real supernatural villain, still maintained the classic "mystery" aspect with a human culprit (the crime being releasing the Jinn). Only, they give the whole thing away towards the beginning of the episode by showing the uncle with the Jinn plotting against Jeannie!

Bee Team also comes close to this, by having the culprit drop too many obvious verbal clues towards the beginning (like "I'll buzz right on over". Usually, that will be a false clue uttered by someobdy else who is not the villain).

Of course, What's New really outdid itself with surprise outcomes, even going as far as having the mystery declared over, a person arrested, and the gang driving off like the end of the episode, and then Velma suddenly realizing some forgotten clue that implicated someone else.

There are also a couple of unfair "consequences" for the villain. The Neon Phantom guy goes to jail for trying to scare the roller disco away so they won't tear down his house, while Sandy Duncan's "Jeckyll and Hyde" tries to drop a heavy object on her, and then kidnap her (but gets Daphne instead), and is rewarded with a new movie career! Go figure!

[likewow]

Interesting topic! I can think of two shows: The reveal that Mr. Stephens, the TV station manager, was the Wax Phantom didn't make sense. He was seen onstage when the Phantom first appeared!

And in The Spirits of '76, the friendly security guard was one of the ghosts. But he was seen walking away from the gang right before they came upon the three phantoms. No way he could've changed into his scary costume that fast!

[Lavenderpaw]

The What's Up Scooby Doo? series is kind of lame.

[Mikintosh]

As much as I liked them bringing back Scrappy-Doo for the first live-action movie (I assume it's been long enough so there's no spoiler alert), and having him as the villain was amusing, they really should've built up to it more, maybe by showing more "flashback" footage.

[likewow]

As much as I liked them bringing back Scrappy-Doo for the first live-action movie (I assume it's been long enough so there's no spoiler alert), and having him as the villain was amusing, they really should've built up to it more, maybe by showing more "flashback" footage.

Yeah, the audience in the theater when I saw it thought the flashbacks were funny, but there was dead silence when Crappy...er, Scrappy was revealed as the villian. The filmakers lost the audience at that point. Or the audience may have realized how lame the movie was!

[Eric B]

they really should've built up to it more, maybe by showing more "flashback" footage. Cartoon Network built up to it, with their promotional showing him being nasty to all the other CN stars, and demanding more credit.
(the days back then, when CN still had all those classic stars. This was the very end of it).

[Movie06]

As much as I liked them bringing back Scrappy-Doo for the first live-action movie (I assume it's been long enough so there's no spoiler alert), and having him as the villain was amusing, they really should've built up to it more, maybe by showing more "flashback" footage.

Perhaps in their mind, Scrappy was the real villain of the Scooby Doo universe.

[Silverstar]

Actually, it was because Scrappy managed to annoy so many viewers since his 1979 debut that casting him as the 1st movie's villain was the filmmakers' (and pop-culture in general's) revenge on him.

[Movie06]

Actually, it was because Scrappy managed to annoy so many viewers since his 1979 debut that casting him as the 1st movie's villain was the filmmakers' (and pop-culture in general's) revenge on him.

I figured that would be the reason why he's the villain. Actually, I'm not a fan of Scooby Doo in general but I always thought having Scrappy as the villain in the movie was just genuis to me.

[ROBOTRON]

:sweat: - The robot wondering around the amusement park had sort of a "dorky" anti-climax ending, where a scientist was testing a prototype droid and let it wonder around the park almost hurting people, but didn't reveal himself until the end...and apologizing.:shrug:

[Movie06]

:sweat: - The robot wondering around the amusement park had sort of a "dorky" anti-climax ending, where a scientist was testing a prototype droid and let it wonder around the park almost hurting people, but didn't reveal himself until the end...and apologizing.:shrug:

That's the one thing I hated about that episode. The ending, I mean as a kid I thought "That's it? It was just some idiot scientist with out of control robot? You've got to be kidding me."

And that ending is just as worse as the ending in The Village. I mean the episode was good up until that ending. What was the writer thinking? Did he suddenly ran out of ideas?

[Spideyfan1983]

Interesting topic! I can think of two shows: The reveal that Mr. Stephens, the TV station manager, was the Wax Phantom didn't make sense. He was seen onstage when the Phantom first appeared!

And in The Spirits of '76, the friendly security guard was one of the ghosts. But he was seen walking away from the gang right before they came upon the three phantoms. No way he could've changed into his scary costume that fast!


I definately have to agree with you. No one could have seen that the friendly security guard was one of the 3 ghosts.

[tb4000]

Pup named Scooby-Doo was more or less poking fun at the genre that came before it, so the villain motives were usually just weird or satirical. Trying to scare everyone away because you lost your movie career or some garbage is blatantly satire. Though Scooby Dude, as heavy handed as it was, at least had a plausible one....scare everyone off so he could sell drugs.

[Eric B]

Amidst a lot of talk on the continuity of Scooby; it got me thinking.

Being that it is said that both Pup Named Scooby Doo and the live action movie are "not considered canonical" because of many of the glaring inconsistencies in the character personalities, I realized that both of those productions can be tied to each other as a separate canon; a NEGATIVE one. It is totally unreasonable to think that the original gang of "Where Are You" could have possibly grown from the kids in "Pup". (save, Shaggy and Scooby). Yet it is easy to imagine them growing into the troubled teens of the live action movie, or Harvey Birdman and a number of other spoofs. This whole parallel negative Scooby canon brings to mind the old "Nega-Scooby"
page.

http://www.ccs00.com/cdc/scooby/darkside/ (http://www.ccs00.com/cdc/scooby/darkside/)

The first spoof page, and the first to slam Scrappy I had seen, way back in my early days on the internet; it presents a negative, "dark" version of the gang, and casts Scrappy as coming from this Negative gang to infiltrate the real one. It's this thinking that spread everywhere, on the net, and eventually to the storyboard and studio. Shortly after this page appeared, those stupid ribbons began spreading everywhere online, and it became "cool" to bash Scrappy. A whole new real world history of Scooby was written, where this Scrappy from the Negaworld character actually made decisions in the real world, such as eliminating the rest of the gang, and killing off the show. The ribbon became the mandala that would eventually hypnotize writers into expanding the Nega Scooby universe with more spoofs, including a live action feature length spoof.

However, with new productions influenced by Nega-thinking yet yet to come, this reasoning would become contradictory as time went on.
All of the Nega-Scooby productions would characterize Scrappy negatively. In fact, negative portrayals of Scrappy always accompany the features of the negative gang:

Fred being an complete idiot and jerk;
an obnoxious Daphne,
the two of them nevertheless being lovers,
Shaggy and Scooby being potheads,
and a sorry Velma whose sexual identity is often called into question.

You can see all these same patterns together, across the web, and in some productions. Where one is, there is the other. This is clearly the Nega-Scooby universe we are observing!
Just think; Why would a Scrappy come from the nega-world and portray himself as evil? The live action movie showed us one and for all that there were two Scrappy's along with copies of the rest of the gang.
It is not Scrappy who is trying to infiltrate the real canon --and also the real world with the Nega Scooby; but rather it is all the dreams of the Nega-fans: those poor real world souls whose childhoods were ruined by the addition of one little character to the Scooby universe (Think this is a joke? Just go and read early jumptheshark.com entries, plus other internet posts from years ago! You also seepeople who HATE Scooby spit the same vitriol at Scrappy! Now, what is THAT all about?) Their fragile minds gone awry, they could never again view the gang as just a group of innocent kids and a dog. They instead created the Nega-Scooby universe, with real world negative controversial issues of sex, drugs and shlock & droll infused, and try to replace the real Scooby canon with it. The reason: to get revenge on Scrappy for the damage he did to their early TV watching.

From the Nega-Scooby page:

One other thing that can be tied to the Nega- Scooby Doo Gang are
the errors that pop up in episodes from time to time. These are
pranks pulled off by the gang in order to make their counterparts
look bad.

Isn't this a perfect explanation of A Pup Named Scooby, the first live action movie, the Harvey Birdman appearances, and several other spoofs and even some Cartoon Network bumpers and promos? Some of it has even crept into modern genuine true canon productions, such as the WNSD/DTV movie Fred still being a bit dopey at times, and romantically jealous of Daphne.

Here, we separate the two worlds by their totally different timelines.

The TRUE canon:

Four "meddling kids" with a dog stumble on crimes being covered up with "ghost" mystery themes.

They begin traveling (and often hoping to be getting away from mysteries), meet famous stars, and soon a couple of Scooby's relatives get involved. Scrappy may have been annoying, especially in the beginning, but the gang all annoyed each other at times, yet still loved each other.

The gang separates on GOOD terms, as Freddy and the girls embark on careers. Shaggy, Scooby and Scrappy go off on their own and encounter mostly real ghosts and monsters, and some other foes.

Shaggy gets a job at an uncle's detective agency, moving them back into crimesolving. When off duty, they hang out at a teen center, and get into situations with other teens. Scrappy also visits another uncle out west in Yucca Flats.

Daphne, in her career as a reporter, begins bringing Shaggy and the dogs on her cases. Scrappy has matures a lot, and is able to fill in for Fred.

Soon, Scooby finally opens his own firm; the Scooby Doo Detective Agency. Fred and Velma visit, from their careers. They even accompany her on an assignment.

Then, they hit big time, with their own private plane, a new Mystery Machine, and new outfits; but get caught up in one single assignment: capturing 13 real ghosts they had been tricked into releasing from a chest.

Shaggy and the dogs go out alone again, to deal with a monster race, a Ghoul School, and the Boo Brothers. Shaggy and Scooby then get a job as food tasters for an Arabian prince. The gang then gets back together again for new animated movies and series.

Shaggy and Scooby finally mature enough to handle an evil scientist on their own; and defeat him with the aid of another Shaggy uncle. (Fred and the Girls would still make visits).

The NEGA-canon:

Some 20 years after the original gang begins, there are these young kids in a time warped Nega-universe where it is both the 60's and the 80's at the same time. They begin trying to copy the real gang. They first copy the real SDDA name. It is led by an idiot Fred, a loudmouthed, obnoxious Daphne, and an almost completely silent Velma. Shaggy and Scooby are the only ones who can perfectly imitate themselves. They then grow up and become the Nega-gang, and soon copy the real gang's outfits and then rename themselves "Mysteries Inc" a name ripped off of a real world Cartoon Network programming block, and soon modified to "Mystery Inc". They begin fighting and bickering with each other over who is the leader of the gang. An evil Scrappy joins in this, but is for some reason kicked out in Yucca Flats, even though the rest of the gang is on just as much of a power trip; all behaving just as badly. Fred and Daphne also are by now quarreling lovers.

They soon break up, on BAD terms, and Shaggy and Scooby go off alone, where they just hang out in the Mystery Machine getting high.
The gang soon rejoins, (still bickring all the way) and defeats the evil Scrappy, who had turned against them. He was trying to take over the world, and had earlier screamed at the rest of the Cartoon Network universe in a promo. The Nega-gang had already been afraid of him when they had the "project" in the forest.

In a kangaroo court filled with Nega-HB characters (such as the sexually charged Peter Potamus, an unfaithful Galaxy Girl, etc) Shaggy and Scooby stand trial for their suppsed drug use, and somehow are cleared despite an overwhelming amount of evidence.
Scrappy (perhaps also in the courtroom for his own trial; hey; why didn't they make a show about this?) is killed by Avenger, and paraded around by him, to the joy of the entire Nega-universe.

It is clear here that we have two totally separate canons; different universes that have emerged, side by side! People need to be able to tell the real one fro the dark counterfeit. They need to take their stand as TRUE fans, or NEGA-fans!

This Nega universe even has its own account of the real world history of Scooby! All was going well in the "original" series.
A "lost" Third Season of the original season was even being released (Now actually released as such on DVD!) But then they added Scrappy, and all was suddenly ruined! The series quickly died off as all the viewers were driven away! So then a few years later, the producers realized their mistake and then came up with "Pup" and the new canon to "start from scratch", specifically to "write off" Scrappy, as one Negafan recounted years ago. (Notice how this is cast to make the "Pup" revision look good. This is the tactic of the Negaworld!)

My first idea on how to erase the whole live action mess, was for the third movie to reveal how the evil Scrappy was some sort of fake, controlled by some disgruntled Scrappy haters; perhaps some villain he splatted once. But then, the project began to wane, but then was resurrected as a prequel; perhaps "Pup"-themed. So that would make it hard to fix things. But now I realize that that is not necessary. The entire cast of the first movie is Negacanonical. They were ALL distortions of the real gang. So it is a separate world that does not really need to be reconciled. But it would be nice if it was. So perhaps the third movie, since it goes back in time, could address the two canons. I don't know what's going on with that project; if it is too late to suggest this; if they're still even going on with it.

But its an idea. This can also explain all the other canons messed up in the "babyfication" series as is beigng discussed in the other thread. It's all the HB Nega-universe!

[likewow]

Yowza! That's quite an imagination you've got ;) And it all makes sense.

I figure every show after 1978, beginning with Scrappy, was a bad dream of Shaggy's brought on by overeating.

[Mad Mod 49]

There was a Pup Named Scooby Doo episode I saw where a character named Bruce gave off the impression of being the culprit from the moment he came on screen...and he was. :yawn: Oh come on, couldn't it have been someone less obvious?!

[veemonjosh]

The only problem with the "Pup Named Scooby-Doo is not canon" theory is that, in one episode of What's New Scooby-Doo, there was a flashback to the gang's childhood, and they looked EXACTLY like they did in Pup.

Though, I guess you could say that the main Scooby-Doo universe had the gang's childhood similar to Pup, but without all the fourth wall breaking and 80's technology (also, if you don't agree because that'd make Scooby quite old, I'd go with either that the H-B universe has many animals living well beyond what we consider old for the same species, or that the Scooby we all know is really a second one).

If anything can be completely written out of the Scooby-Doo canon (besides the live-action movies and Laff-a-Lympics), it'd be Cyber Chase, since it doesn't make a single bit of sense in a 70's setting.

[Eric B]

The issue with the Pup canon is not how they looked, but how they acted. I saw the little flashback scene, and if I remember correctly, the other kids didn't say anything, and thus were not out of character like they were in the series. So there is no problem with that being canonical. I don't really see a problem with the fourth wall breaking either. There's also no problem with Laffalympics being canonical. (We are to assume that the Flintstones and Jabberjaw arrived in a time machine).

I don't see a problem with Cyberchase either. I don't think the main story was supposed to be particularly in the 70's. It was a modern video game about the old gang. Where they messed up is using Shaggy's orange T-Shirt to represent the "original appearance". (Also, I wish they used more classic villains. The same with the second live action movie. The writers were clearly focusing a lot on the '76-8 "Scooby Doo Show" era!)

[Brainatra]

I usually count "Pup" as "canon", with the assumption that the "real" versions of the episodes' events as the gang experienced them didn't have all the Tex Avery-style gags/fourth-wall-breaking/etc. (which might also include Daphne and Freddy's more extreme personality elements :-p ).

I assume "Laff-a-Lympics", like "Scooby Goes Hollywood", aren't canon (both have a "Roger Rabbit" take on the gang). That, and the Flintstones seem to be considered as fictional characters in Scooby's world (per one of the Batman Scooby Movies).

The gang also always have used whatever tech was current/considered "high tech" at the time the show was produced, so I don't have a problem with "Cyber Chase"'s virtual-reality hijinks...