Forget Boomerang, we should all demand the Teletoon Retro Channe'

[Mr Flintstone]

Go to the link and then go to the retro toons site. Check out that lineup.

www.teletoon.com (http://www.teletoon.com)

[Silverstar]

We couldn't get Teletoon over here in the US even if we wanted to; they don't import Canadian channels over to the States for whatever reason. (Could have something to do with Canada's equivalent to the FCC's rules, I'm not sure). Heck, I'd love to start receiving G4TechTV Canada on DirecTV, but it's not going to happen.

[Mr Flintstone]

I don't understand. How come a Canadian station can air post 48 Looney Tunes and Time Warner owned Boomerang can't?

[Silverstar]

I'm not clear on the details, but I think it's because the Turner portion of Turner/Time-Warner doesn't own the rights to the post-1948 shorts. That's also probably why the shorts from that era were able to air on Nickelodeon for a time. But don't quote me on that.

[Kolbar]

But how long before they scrap those shows for more modern ones? Remember what Boomerang was like when it first started. And still, that channel may show Looney Tunes and Woody Woodpecker and such, but Boomerang's lineup is still about 95% classic cartoons.

[Racattack!Force]

But how long before they scrap those shows for more modern ones? Remember what Boomerang was like when it first started. And still, that channel may show Looney Tunes and Woody Woodpecker and such, but Boomerang's lineup is still about 95% classic cartoons.

Actually 99%, since there are only 2 semi-modern cartons on the channel. :sweat:

[Mandouga]

I'm not clear on the details, but I think it's because the Turner portion of Turner/Time-Warner doesn't own the rights to the post-1948 shorts. That's also probably why the shorts from that era were able to air on Nickelodeon for a time. But don't quote me on that.

Actually, you hit the nail right on the head. The post-1948 shorts are controlled by Warner Bros. directly (specifically by Warner Bros. Television, which is a completely separate unit. This is why Batman: TAS and Superman: TAS are able to air on Jetix, a Disney division).

[Brainatra]

We couldn't get Teletoon over here in the US even if we wanted to; they don't import Canadian channels over to the States for whatever reason. (Could have something to do with Canada's equivalent to the FCC's rules, I'm not sure). Heck, I'd love to start receiving G4TechTV Canada on DirecTV, but it's not going to happen.

The reason for no US carrying of Teletoon is more likely related to exclusive US/Canadian rights-related issues for various TV shows (including the American ones that air on Canadian channels), I'd imagine.

Plus, Canadian TV shows usually try to find a US channel to get aired on anyway ("6Teen" airing on Nickelodeon, the new "George of the Jungle" on Cartoon Network, etc.).

US cable companies in cities near the border (within viewing range of a Canadian station) often carry over-the-air Canadian TV stations (CBC, CTV), at least...

[ROBOTRON]

:sweat: - Yeah, Teletoons Retro has shows over there I'd rather watch, like Woody Woodpecker, Looney Toons and Fat Albert for instance. But its missing some key elements Boomerang has like Popeye and certain HB properties.

Although I don't consider JLU being a classic toon yet, its nice to see it airing commercial free on Boom.

Boom has had a nice run of classics I haven't seen anywhere like "Wait till your father gets home" even though it was in a lousy timeslot...however, thanx to the magic of DVR I was able to record every episode.

[Mr Flintstone]

:sweat: - Yeah, Teletoons Retro has shows over there I'd rather watch, like Woody Woodpecker, Looney Toons and Fat Albert for instance. But its missing some key elements Boomerang has like Popeye and certain HB properties.

Although I don't consider JLU being a classic toon yet, its nice to see it airing commercial free on Boom.

Boom has had a nice run of classics I haven't seen anywhere like "Wait till your father gets home" even though it was in a lousy timeslot...however, thanx to the magic of DVR I was able to record every episode.

I would just like to see something different from Boomerang. I swear, it's the same old cartoons every month.

[Racattack!Force]

The reason for no US carrying of Teletoon is more likely related to exclusive US/Canadian rights-related issues for various TV shows (including the American ones that air on Canadian channels), I'd imagine.

Plus, Canadian TV shows usually try to find a US channel to get aired on anyway ("6Teen" airing on Nickelodeon, the new "George of the Jungle" on Cartoon Network, etc.).

US cable companies in cities near the border (within viewing range of a Canadian station) often carry over-the-air Canadian TV stations (CBC, CTV), at least...

Besides, they also air CN and Nick shows. Bringing Teletoon here will mean viewers being sucked from Nick and CN. :shrug:

[Silverstar]

I would just like to see something different from Boomerang. I swear, it's the same old cartoons every month.

As was said before, Boom can only air the shows they own. Since the channel doesn't offer any original programming, they can only hope to acquire 'new' reruns, lest they would cease to be "the home for classic cartoons". And while that wouldn't be impossible for them to do, acquiring new programming for Boomerang isn't high on Turner/Time-Warner's priority list right now. Such a move would require money, for one thing, and for another, since Boom isn't in that many homes and it doesn't run ads, TTW wouldn't make that money back in the form of ratings and ad revenues; the only real money TTW and cable/satellite companies makes off of Boomerang is subscription fees, so there's not a whole lot of motivation on their part to add new shows to their roster. Boomerang does rotate its' schedule and shuffle its' lineup once in a while, but only every so often.

For the most part, Boomerang is merely an afterthought for Turner/Time-Warner.

[CelesteK]

Also Teletoon Retro has to air at least 50% and upwards of Canadian content acording to the CRTC CanCon rules. The FCC would never adhere to that kind of rule.

So shows such as The Raccoons etc will always get top billing on TTR. :) I'm sort of looking forward to the day when my family will subscribe to digital cable because I like the idea of having an all retro cartoon channel because I feel kind of screwed over with Teletoon. :)

[Brainatra]

Also Teletoon Retro has to air at least 50% and upwards of Canadian content acording to the CRTC CanCon rules. The FCC would never adhere to that kind of rule.

The Canadian content rule is presumably there so you guys have at least *some* minimum guaranteed amount of homegrown programming presented in your media (given the proximity of most of the populace to the US border/TV stations and such). I assume Canadian broadcasters (if they're as lazy as ours) without such a rule would probably air nothing but US shows like "Family Guy" and "That 70s Show" 24 hours a day or something... :-p

[ROBOTRON]

I would just like to see something different from Boomerang. I swear, it's the same old cartoons every month.

:sweat: - TRUE DAT.

I'd to see them aquire more Filmation properties or other HB shows llike Pirates of Darkwater and regular showings of Jonny Quest.

[CelesteK]

The Canadian content rule is presumably there so you guys have at least *some* minimum guaranteed amount of homegrown programming presented in your media (given the proximity of most of the populace to the US border/TV stations and such). I assume Canadian broadcasters (if they're as lazy as ours) without such a rule would probably air nothing but US shows like "Family Guy" and "That 70s Show" 24 hours a day or something... :-p

I don't really care about how much content is Canadian. As long as I get my HB cartoons, Scooby Doo, The Flintstones, The Jetsons, Challenge of the Superfriends that sort of thing, then I'm completely happy with that. :)

[ap75021]

Actually, anyone with a credit card and a couple hundred dollars and the interest in doing iy can set up with Star Choice or Bell ExpressVu and get Canadian satellite TV...there are several programming brokers who can give you access to all of this, completely legally, and there are satellite equipment dealers you can get the receivers and dishes from online. I've had Star Choice for 6 years and enjoy Teletoon Retro, CBC NewsWorld, all six time zones for the Canadian networks (the time shifting possibilities are amazing) and all the hockey and curling action you could ask for, not to mention MuchMusic and MuchMoreMusic if you like Canadian music and artists, some of whose works haven't been released in the US...never say never. My only gripe about Teletoon Retro is too small a stable of programming...if they had about twice the list they have now they'd be fantastic, but yes they do show lots of WB cartoons and they run Rocky & Bullwinkle...I'm not sure about the Canadian content rule or if the same quotas apply to TV that apply to radio up there from the CRTC (on radio at least 30% of the music must be Canadian).

[Pomegranate]

Hopefully, Teletoon Retro will expand their horizons by incorporating more North American classics and also some international retro-aged programming into their lineup, but with the Canadian content laws I heard about, I think it'll eventually end up being another Boomerang, airing the same shows over and over again for years to come, and because it's supposed to be a channel strictly dedicated to airing retro-aged programming 24/7, the cable/satellite providers wouldn't carry it if it were ad-free and if it were ad-supported instead, they'd have to incorporate new and original programming into their lineup for ratings purposes, even if that meant betraying their brandname, so like The Boom, it could be a complete waste of channel space, unless they were to change the channel's name into something like Teletoon 2, Extra, Plus or something like that.

[livingfruitvirus]

Maybe someone can clarify on this rule, but I believe foreign-owned media outlets are not allowed to broadcast in the United States. They would have to license their properties to a US owned company.

Actually, anyone with a credit card and a couple hundred dollars and the interest in doing iy can set up with Star Choice or Bell ExpressVu and get Canadian satellite TV...there are several programming brokers who can give you access to all of this, completely legally, and there are satellite equipment dealers you can get the receivers and dishes from online.

That's legal? It sure doesn't sound legal.

[SpaceCowboy]

Maybe someone can clarify on this rule, but I believe foreign-owned media outlets are not allowed to broadcast in the United States. They would have to license their properties to a US owned company.



That's legal? It sure doesn't sound legal.According to the satellite TV forums I frequent, I think it's legal as long as you have someone you know who lives in Canada (like a relative) who doesn't mind paying the monthly service fees. Doesn't work the other way around however for someone living in Canada who wants to watch US satellite services.

[dth1971]

Teletoon Retro Canada should get the rights to rerun Filmation's Archie cartoons since Boomerang in America failed!

[Blackstar]

Teletoon Retro Canada should get the rights to rerun Filmation's Archie cartoons since Boomerang in America failed!

I may be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure that Teletoon Retro already has the right to air many of the Filmation shows, Archie included.

And anyway, it's a moot point, since even if Teletoon Retro Canada does have the right to the Archie cartoons, unless you live in Canada, you can't get Teletoon Retro and wouldn't be able to see them.

[ZumbidoMetal]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20080614.RDECISION14/TPStory/Business

Teletoon Retro is a hit with kids AND adults and advertisers have taken note.

[Brainatra]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20080614.RDECISION14/TPStory/Business

Teletoon Retro is a hit with kids AND adults and advertisers have taken note.

Interesting; guess they can get kids *and* adults to watch, *and* make a profit off of it, *and* not lose its focus (and start airing live-action junk, etc.) by airing advertisements, *and* keep the older material (Looney Tunes, etc.) on the air while also airing newer stuff like the Smurfs/Transformers. Lots of possible cues for Boomerang (or Cartoon Network) to take...

-B.

[Mugen]

Interesting; guess they can get kids *and* adults to watch, *and* make a profit off of it, *and* not lose its focus (and start airing live-action junk, etc.) by airing advertisements, *and* keep the older material (Looney Tunes, etc.) on the air while also airing newer stuff like the Smurfs/Transformers. Lots of possible cues for Boomerang (or Cartoon Network) to take...

-B.

Well, Teletoon Retro is aimed at 25-54 year olds, so it makes sense its doing well with adults.

As for Boomerang, well it needs to start airing commericals and get into enough homes to see if it will do well in the ratings department.

[CelesteK]

The Canadian content rule is presumably there so you guys have at least *some* minimum guaranteed amount of homegrown programming presented in your media (given the proximity of most of the populace to the US border/TV stations and such). I assume Canadian broadcasters (if they're as lazy as ours) without such a rule would probably air nothing but US shows like "Family Guy" and "That 70s Show" 24 hours a day or something... :-p

Some channels are already breaking the rules when it comes to CanCon. Much More Music is one channel that I can think of and Much Music is the other.
I don't think I ever saw so much garbage on two channels before in my short 32 years of life. :sad:

[ap75021]

Perfectly legal through a "programming broker" from Canada...I know several people doing it completely legally. Get online and find one and they use the credit or debit card of your choice to pay for your programming plus an annual fee for the use of their service. A little more expensive than what canadians pay, but worth the price of admission many times over in the long run. I've had StarChoice since 2002, and with canadian network affiliates from every province (and time zone), their time shifting possibilities beat DISH Network and DirecTV hands down...