Reviving old threads [Archive]

ccffan01

02-15-2002, 11:33 PM

Originally posted by JusticeLeagueLegion
I am in love with Country Music!! And I was terribly sad to hear that Waylon Jennings died. He rocked! Pop Country sucks though. Bluegrass isn't that great either! Anything that reminds me of Britany Spears sucks.

You like bringing back dead threads

Calhoun07

02-16-2002, 01:36 AM

I am not a mod of this board, but I will say that bringing up old threads is VERY ANNOYING. (And this one is from around the beginning of the boards, for the love of GOD!) Stop it. You can start a new thread on the topic if you so desire. Anything more than 30 to 45 days old...just let it be.

killercroc

02-16-2002, 01:51 AM

Originally posted by Calhoun07
I am not a mod of this board, but I will say that bringing up old threads is VERY ANNOYING. (And this one is from around the beginning of the boards, for the love of GOD!) Stop it. You can start a new thread on the topic if you so desire. Anything more than 30 to 45 days old...just let it be.

Personally, I don't see the point of opening up a new thread when there's already a thread covering your subject.

Calhoun07

02-16-2002, 01:56 AM

There are past members (whom shall remain unnamed) who would revive threads just to say things like "COOL!" I guess that's where the pet peeve started for me. And this thread was revived to say things that could have just as easilly been said in a new thread. And this thread IS from around the beginning of the board. I don't know, maybe I am being harsh...any input from other members is welcome!

But I would like to add that new threads on topics covered before are not uncommon on this board, nor unwelcome. And it allows the topic to be discussed in a fresh light rather than requiring newer posters to have to plow thru two or three pages or more of posts to see what everybody else has said...and what they said many months ago.

I do think there should be a line, tho, and I think 45 days or older is good. And any other input from other members is welcome.

Failure

02-16-2002, 02:09 AM

Is there an official policy on resurrecting old posts? Personally, I also find it annoying, and usually won't even take the time to read the new responses (I don't know why I happened to revisit this post). However, I know that on some boards they don't like duplicate threads and compile everything into one thread.

I like the after 30 days (at most), leave it be rule.

Calhoun07

02-16-2002, 02:10 AM

Originally posted by Failure
Is there an official policy on resurrecting old posts? Personally, I also find it annoying, and usually won't even take the time to read the new responses (I don't know why I happened to revisit this post). However, I know that on some boards they don't like duplicate threads and compile everything into one thread.

I like the after 30 days (at most), leave it be rule.

None yet. I think it was bantered around the moderators some time back when there was another poster who did this kind of thing, but nothing hammered out yet. Personally, I think it's just common sense to leave old thread alone, but I guess that's not how everybody thinks. All of the rules that get added to this board are all common sense issues anyway, but I guess some people need reminding every now and then.

Bud 'n Lou

02-16-2002, 02:17 AM

Well, if a new thread was started on the topic, then you'd probably get people complaining that we already covered this topic in an older thread, and it's only common courtesy to at least look through the old posts first before making another thread. I see nothing wrong with a poster doing either though, and don't personally feel inconvenienced in any way by it. What does bug me is when a new topic is started when an existing thread *on the same page* covers the topic. I remember one time there were like five threads on basically the same subject going at the same time, when they could easily have been consolidated into one. That just annoys me.

Failure

02-16-2002, 02:18 AM

)Originally posted by Calhoun07

None yet. I think it was bantered around the moderators some time back when there was another poster who did this kind of thing, but nothing hammered out yet. Personally, I think it's just common sense to leave old thread alone, but I guess that's not how everybody thinks. All of the rules that get added to this board are all common sense issues anyway, but I guess some people need reminding every now and then.

Well, it might be common sense to some, but it might also be a factor of what board rules you're used to. Personally, it makes sense to me to not resurrect ancient threads, but like I said before, it depends where you go. Dead thread resurrection (sounds like a horror flick huh? Starring the mods of TZ. :p ) isn't that big of a problem, but if we don't want any confusion, we should state a specific rule.

That said, I find the opposite just as annoying, the creating of the similar or same topic that existed just a couple days earlier.

Calhoun07

02-16-2002, 02:22 AM

But we aren't talking about a few days here. And I agree with that...and 45 days is a long enough period to allow threads to be resurrected, IMO. And who's gonna complain if a topic comes up that was covered many months ago? As these boards go on, there WILL be topics started by newbies that we talked about a year or so ago, and that's cool. There will be plenty of members here who never saw the old threads, so let the new threads be started on old topics that have been likely forgotten about.

Failure

02-21-2002, 12:51 PM

Originally posted by JusticeLeagueLegion

I didn't know this was an old thread. I just found it.

Well the message you replied to was from July 2001, which is about 7 months back. If that's not old...

Maxie Zeus

02-21-2002, 02:16 PM

Originally posted by Calhoun07
I am not a mod of this board

But now you are! :D

ccffan01

02-21-2002, 02:23 PM

Im confused did I do something wrong and how was this thread made???

Maxie Zeus

02-21-2002, 02:26 PM

There's no "settled" policy on reviving old threads, and much to be said on both sides of the issue:

Pro-revival: Reviving the old thread shows courtesy by back the old contributions to the topic. Posters who had originally contributed to that topic are spared the agony of seeing an old topic revived (not again!) and wondering whether it is worth revisiting. They can just let their previous statements stand as it is.

Anti-revival: It's a chore reading back thru old posts to pick up the thread of the conversation; easier on everyone if it just gets started up again in new thread. Besides, we really can't insist that newbies go trudging thru the stacks just to make sure they're not reviving an old topic.

I say we just muddle thru without worrying about it too much. People who revive an old thread simply to tack on the word "Cool!" can be slapped on other grounds.

Just be nice to each other, no matter the manner in which old topics come back, okay? :)

Maxie Zeus

02-21-2002, 02:37 PM

Okay, I'm going to try an experiment, and you guys tell me if it makes these things less annoying.

I split the old "Who else does not like country music?" in two: The old posts, and the new ones that revived the topic. I then pasted a link to the old thread into the new one. That way, the new posts are in a thread by themselves, and there is still a link to the revived thread that they led out of. Best of both worlds?

Yeah, a lot of work for a mod to do, and I ain't recommending it as policy. Just foolin' around. To see the new thread (which I moved to Anitainment) click here (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?s=&postid=159200)

Naraht

02-21-2002, 02:46 PM

I dunno, I'm of two minds on this...

1) I've done it myself...when Iwas new..er...

I think it's interesting to view old views, and see how the wolrd changing has changed our perceptions...

2) I've stumbled onto threads that were old...but I didn't know they were old, and got very confussed.....till I reallized they were old.

I think that if there were a system that would...I dunno, maybe if it were easier to see when a post was made.

I'm guilty of not paying attention to the date posts are made..mainly cause the font is so small..I dunno

The Dark Knight

02-21-2002, 04:11 PM

I checked it out, and to find a thead whose last post was a month old I had to go all the way back to page 18. Page 18! If you go that far back in the threads you should know that it's considered dead. Just start a new thread for the reason that Calhoun07 mentioned:
But I would like to add that new threads on topics covered before are not uncommon on this board, nor unwelcome. And it allows the topic to be discussed in a fresh light rather than requiring newer posters to have to plow thru two or three pages or more of posts to see what everybody else has said...and what they said many months ago.

Wyloms

02-21-2002, 04:22 PM

Why don't you just lock threads that are 45 days old.

Joe Tully

02-21-2002, 04:42 PM

Because it's a waste of time to spend each day going back thru old posts, opening each one that is x days old and locking it.

I think that for the most part, if you use common sense, this isn't a problem. But don't do something like just go looking through the oldest threads and see if you can reply to them just for fun. I think that for some really old threads, particularly the opinion-type threads (such as the Country Music one) you can just start a new thread, since there are so many different members now, and many of the old ones have left.

Wyloms

02-21-2002, 05:22 PM

You guys don't have enough moderators. Most of your mods are modding like 3-4 different boards.

The Penguin

02-21-2002, 05:31 PM

Originally posted by Wyloms
You guys don't have enough moderators. Most of your mods are modding like 3-4 different boards.

I frequent 4-5 boards. Mods do more work than just look at posts, but if I, the frequent visitor can look at that many each time I come here and be a full-time college student with a job, then I bet a mod, who I assume is paid something, can handle it just fine.

The Flash

02-21-2002, 05:42 PM

Originally posted by Wyloms
Why don't you just lock threads that are 45 days old.

Yeah, that will be really easy on the mods.

Originally posted by Wyloms
You guys don't have enough moderators. Most of your mods are modding like 3-4 different boards.

...but yet they need to lock 45 day old threads? ;)

Naraht

02-21-2002, 05:57 PM

Originally posted by The Flash

Yeah, that will be really easy on the mods.

...but yet they need to lock 45 day old threads? ;)

I think he wants there to be more mods so they can lock 45 day old threads...gee, and I wonder who he thinks would be a good mod...=O

I think closing old threads is silly. Even if there were an auto close option..some threads from 45 days ago are still in use...

I think user restraint, and an addtion to the rules discouraging the renewing of old threads rather than starting new ones...

Bud 'n Lou

02-21-2002, 06:04 PM

I don't mean to offend anybody, but I don't think an official policy is necessary on this matter. I don't see why people feel so put off by the revival of old threads. It honestly doesn't make sense to me. It's not really a huge inconvenience. To me, complaining about it seems kind of silly, because I don't understand what the big deal is. I'm not being sarcastic. I'd really like to understand.
As for wading through the old posts to find the new ones, I sometimes like to look through them. But if you don't, can't you just click that arrow thing in front of the thread that takes you to the last post?

Failure

02-21-2002, 06:15 PM

I doubt the mods get paid for modding. But anyway...

Locking threads over 45 days would be
1. unnecessary
and
2. overkill

It's pretty simple: use common sense. On the BSTAS/BB board, someone revived on a pretty old topic about Harley & Ivy's lesbian tendencies, but it was a great, really insightful post. It also depends on the context and type of post I guess.

The Guitar Slayer

02-21-2002, 07:13 PM

I think most people on the Bats/Supes/Beyond board saw my first thread starter post, the Metropolis and Gotham issue, and what a mess that turned out to be. Some were fine with the new thead, others weren't. There had been a similar one on the board that would have been boardline "30 day rule." It had moved several pages back already. It was kind of a lose-lose situation. If I bumped it up, I'd get ragged on. If I created the new thread (which I did), I get ragged on. Sorry if this is not an accurate portrayl of the responses that I did/didn't get, but....I was new. :rolleyes:

Peace and Rock 'n' Roll
The Guitar Slayer :cool:

Nightflower

02-21-2002, 07:15 PM

Originally posted by The Penguin

I frequent 4-5 boards. Mods do more work than just look at posts, but if I, the frequent visitor can look at that many each time I come here and be a full-time college student with a job, then I bet a mod, who I assume is paid something, can handle it just fine.

HAHAHAHAHAHA! Yeah, right! No, the sheer love of what we do is the only thing pulling us here. That and perhaps a lust for power (*innocent smile*)

You guys don't have enough moderators. Most of your mods are modding like 3-4 different boards.

Hey! I like modding two boards. I like getting more jobs. Need more power! MORE POWER! Whoops. I spoke too much.

Regarding old threads...

I don't like it because it confuses new people and old people. They might try to argue a certain point with a poster who's long gone. Or the facts that are presented within the thread become outdated and the new person thinks some of the posters are ignorant. It also seems kind of annoying- like trying to get in the last word.

I do like it when someone posts a new and insightful post to it, such as the example that someone already brought up with the Harley/Ivy lesbian thread.

I won't even bother to address the issue of new people who revive old threads for a meaningless "Cool!" post...

Official policies? You can't cover all the unspoken rules of netiquette. There are no official policies on posts for the sake of "padding post counts". Some things are better off depending on the gentle chiding of regular posters from time to time.

Wyloms

02-21-2002, 07:30 PM

Careful too much power will make you go crazy. j/k

I don't think mods get paid anything...

ccffan01

02-21-2002, 07:48 PM

TWO QUESTIONS

Please someone answer thesse

1)How did I start this thread or whatever happenned

2)Did I do something wrong

Naraht

02-21-2002, 07:51 PM

Originally posted by ccffan01
TWO QUESTIONS

Please someone answer thesse

1)How did I start this thread or whatever happenned

2)Did I do something wrong

1) I assume a mod split the thread where your post was..hense, you've created a thread...it's happened to me too...

2) I doubt it...mod's PM you if you had

The Flash

02-21-2002, 07:51 PM

Originally posted by Wyloms
I don't think mods get paid anything...

Nope, they don't. :)

ccffan01

02-21-2002, 07:56 PM

Originally posted by naraht

1) I assume a mod split the thread where your post was..hense, you've created a thread...it's happened to me too...

2) I doubt it...mod's PM you if you had

Ok cool thanks I fell special that my post was used to create a thread.

Maxie Zeus

02-21-2002, 08:03 PM

Originally posted by The Penguin
then I bet a mod, who I assume is paid something, can handle it just fine.

PAID?! I'm supposed to be PAID?! for doing this job?!

Awright, who's been cashing my paychecks?! :mad:

:D

Seriously, we can get thru it. But we have brought in some more mods recently, and did the board split, so that it would be easier.

And we've tossed around the idea of going back and locking old threads. Too much work. And the problem really doesn't crop up that often.

Maxie Zeus

02-21-2002, 08:08 PM

Originally posted by ccffan01
TWO QUESTIONS

Please someone answer thesse

1)How did I start this thread or whatever happenned

2)Did I do something wrong

Like naraht explained, a mod (me) split this thread off an old one. You raised the question about reviving old threads, so yours was the natural one to split it off at.

And no, you did absolutely nothing wrong. ;)

Naraht

02-21-2002, 08:09 PM

I was right, lalala, I was right, lalala!

=O

I am the Toonzone guru!

The Mad Hatter

02-21-2002, 08:55 PM

Old thread revival can be annoying, but with any problem, you have to ask whether the solution would be more annoying than the problem. Going back and manually locking old threads would be vastly more annoying than putting up with the occasional thread from the dead.

And we mods do indeed get paid... with loving admiration from our posters.

*cue hail of rotten tomatoes*

Naraht

02-21-2002, 09:00 PM

Originally posted by The Mad Hatter
Old thread revival can be annoying, but with any problem, you have to ask whether the solution would be more annoying than the problem. Going back and manually locking old threads would be vastly more annoying than putting up with the occasional thread from the dead.

And we mods do indeed get paid... with loving admiration from our posters.

*cue hail of rotten tomatoes*

I LOVE YOU MAD HATTER! I WANT TO BE THE FATHER OF YOUR CHILDREN! er..

umm..

hrm, maybve loving admiration isn't what it's cracked up to be...=\

Calhoun07

02-21-2002, 10:31 PM

You mean that there are those who think we mods were getting paid? That's kinda cool! But Toon Zone is a volunteer site, and we gladly volunteer our time!

Failure

02-21-2002, 11:06 PM

Originally posted by Calhoun07
You mean that there are those who think we mods were getting paid? That's kinda cool! But Toon Zone is a volunteer site, and we gladly volunteer our time!

*Says Calhoun as he surreptitiously accepts kickbacks from the "mysterious internet guy who hangs in the shadows and gives mods all over the world gifts."* ;)