Should Boomerang vanish? [Archive]

Daikun

02-13-2008, 02:33 AM

The chances of Boomerang vanishing by next year are zilch.

Nick GAS failed because it couldn't maintain its shows; it dwindled to only four shows on its entire 24-hour schedule before Viacom decided that it no longer had any use.

Boomerang, on the other hand, has a much bigger and more diverse library. Boomerang rotates its old shows in and out of its schedule to keep things fresh and adds in new ones every few months. Boomerang isn't going anywhere.

By the way, Nick GAS is still around, but it's a satellite-only network now. If you have Dish Network, you can get it.

Sketch

02-13-2008, 02:52 AM

Boomerang is one of Turner's babies. Though it's not really successful they aren't about to let it go. However as more and more modern programing is added Boomerang might fade from existance. Whether that should be the case or not is the real question.

ROBOTRON

02-13-2008, 02:53 AM

I watch Boomerang more than I watch Nicktoons, CN and Toon Disney combined. Of course I'm no the whole country, but my toon watching would virtually cease if they eliminated Boomerang. Its much worth the extra $5 a month on Dish network to see it round the clock which I do often.

Blackstar

02-13-2008, 08:25 AM

What are the chances Boomerang could vanish by 2009? Nick GAS was gone New Years Eve 2007!

Are you asking 'Could Boomerang vanish?', or 'Should Boomerang vanish?' In either case, my answer would be no.

I'd say that there are 2 chances of that happening: slim and none. Boomerang shouldn't vanish because it's currently a better Cartoon Network than Cartoon Network is, and it couldn't vanish because it's not even close to being the disaster that Nick GAS was in it's last months. Boomerang isn't trying to fill out a 24 hour schedule with only 4 shows. Plus, Boomerang is one of Turner's personal pet networks. True, Boom is not in many homes as of yet, but the viewers that it does have are loyal ones. Boomerang isn't going anywhere.

My advice: Unless you've heard/read something official, don't assume anything.

DrTooth

02-13-2008, 10:37 AM

Adding one thing.... even if they did change Boomarang around, I think they'd probably rename it "CN2" as it's apparently becoming that, or dangerously close to it.

Mr Flintstone

02-13-2008, 03:47 PM

Yes, I hope it vanishes and be replaced by a better classic cartoon network.

Blackstar

02-13-2008, 03:58 PM

Yes, I hope it vanishes and be replaced by a better classic cartoon network.

Boomerang isn't going away, and it doesn't need to. There's room for improvement in a few areas, but it doesn't need to vanish. Personally, I think Boomerang does pretty good with the library of programming that they have. Like I already said, Boomerang is a better Cartoon Network than Cartoon Network right now.

I'm curious as to what you would consider to be "a better classic cartoon network".

thundarr82

02-13-2008, 07:23 PM

No, but Boomerang could improve by restoring Boomeraction to Saturday morning. When I was a pre-teen I would watch about 5-7 hours of cartoons, most of them action oriented. The schedule could be like this...

6:00 Wacky Races
6:30 The Perils of Penelope Pitstop
7:00 Tarzan Lord of the Jungle
7:30-8:30 Lone Ranger/Zorro Adventure Hour
9:00 Blackstar
9:30 Godzilla Super 90 including Jana of the Jungle
11:00 Thundarr The Barbarian
11:30 Flash Gordon
Noon M.A.S.K.
12:30 G.I. Joe A Real American Hero
1:00 Star Blazers
1:30 Force Five: Grandizer

ltnut

02-13-2008, 09:40 PM

To me Boomerang is still better than CN, but they need to bring back Looney Tunes and Popeye. :sad:

Master Toon

02-13-2008, 11:25 PM

Boomerang is still great. Not only do they cater to a huge fanbase, but they have plenty of shows to use. The only problem with Boomerang is that there's no extra "pazzaz" to it.

A) Show comes on
B) A commercial or bumps appears
C) Next show comes on
D) Repeat A to C

I want to see some bumpers like the old days on CN. Have Thundarr talk to Space Ghost or have Scooby and the gang fight against Jabberjaw's group. Something!

dth1971

02-14-2008, 01:19 AM

Boomerang may be on life support or something...

Mr Flintstone

02-14-2008, 01:50 AM

Boomerang isn't going away, and it doesn't need to. There's room for improvement in a few areas, but it doesn't need to vanish. Personally, I think Boomerang does pretty good with the library of programming that they have. Like I already said, Boomerang is a better Cartoon Network than Cartoon Network right now.

I'm curious as to what you would consider to be "a better classic cartoon network".

I remember soooo many cartoons of my youth that should be on Boomerang but aren't. Where's Looney Tunes, Battle of the Planets, Thundercats, the original He-Man and the many cartoons that used to make Saturday Mornings a must?

Kolbar

02-14-2008, 06:51 AM

I remember soooo many cartoons of my youth that should be on Boomerang but aren't. Where's Looney Tunes, Battle of the Planets, Thundercats, the original He-Man and the many cartoons that used to make Saturday Mornings a must?They don't own the rights to show any of those (well, maybe except "Thundercats" but that could fall under the same reason as Looney Tunes, I'm not sure) but they would have to pay extra to show them, that's why.

Daikun

02-14-2008, 06:53 AM

Looney Tunes

Warner Bros. is being really picky. They won't let THE VERY COMPANIES THEY OWN air their own properties for dumb reasons. LT might come back to the Boom someday (emphasis on "might"), but...I just don't know.

Battle of the PlanetsThat was a limited license. They don't have it anymore, and I don't think they plan on revisiting it anytime soon.

ThundercatsIronically, that show never aired on Boomerang. You'd think they would've added it by now or at least long ago, especially since CN owns the show forever and a Lion-O action figure used to be on Boomeraction's bumpers.

the original He-ManCN never had the rights to that. They had the remake, though, and that aired on the Boom a couple of years back.

Silverstar

02-14-2008, 08:48 AM

Boomerang may be on life support or something...

Again, you're just grasping at straws with this theory of yours. I don't know where you're getting this information from, but it's wildly inaccurate. Boomerang is not 'on life support', and it's not in danger of vanishing.

Unless you can provide a link or some other form of proof from a reliable source that confirms what you're saying (and Wikipedia or some other message board don't count as reliable sources, BTW), then all you've got is speculation.

Blackstar

02-14-2008, 08:49 AM

I remember soooo many cartoons of my youth that should be on Boomerang but aren't. Where's Looney Tunes, Battle of the Planets, Thundercats, the original He-Man and the many cartoons that used to make Saturday Mornings a must?

Well Boomerang can only show what's in the Turner library, the shows that they have access to. Sure, they could possibly acquire some outside acquisitions, but that would require money, and without ads to pay for their airtime, I don't see how TWT would get them. Anyway, it's not Boomerang's job to show every single cartoon that you or I grew up with. It's a nice thought, but it would be impossible for one station to show cartoons from every studio. That can never happen as long as a there's a little thing called free enterprise.

Boomerang may be on life support or something...

No more of this groundless speculation, please. You have zero proof to support your claims, and if you can't prove it, you shouldn't be saying it.

Dr.Pepper

02-14-2008, 11:14 AM

I don't have Boomerang but I really, really don't that it would be going anywhere.

ltnut

02-14-2008, 09:27 PM

WB being picky and not making a deal with CN/Boomerang on the post-48 LTs is basically right, but there is nothing preventing CN/Boomerang from showing the pre-48 LTs but their own management. They own those cartoons and can show them any time they want. It's just that at least at the present time they won't. :sad:

Sketch

02-15-2008, 05:41 AM

Again, you're just grasping at straws with this theory of yours. I don't know where you're getting this information from, but it's wildly inaccurate. Boomerang is not 'on life support', and it's not in danger of vanishing.

Unless you can provide a link or some other form of proof from a reliable source that confirms what you're saying (and Wikipedia or some other message board don't count as reliable sources, BTW), then all you've got is speculation.

I'd take the fact that it's still barely available to anyone outside of Warner cable users to be enough to say it's not in good shape but for that matter it never has been. I'm surprised it's still around given that CN seems to think very lowly of things that don't bring in ratings and advertisers but they must believe it still serves a purpose and if they believe that now I don't see them changing their minds in the near future.

Dudley

02-18-2008, 01:23 PM

jcorey3

02-18-2008, 02:33 PM

Boomerang is a turnkey operations. There's very human effort required for the station. They load up the cartoons on the computer and let it play out. it's not a TV channel - it's video iPod.

far as those non-Boomerang shows go, a majority of them are out on DVD. They're rather want you to buy that programming directly than subscribe to Boomerang.

ltnut

02-18-2008, 09:34 PM

far as those non-Boomerang shows go, a majority of them are out on DVD. They're rather want you to buy that programming directly than subscribe to Boomerang.

That's probably the reason that they're in no hurry to bring back Looney Tunes. :shrug:

Silverstar

02-18-2008, 10:06 PM

Even though I don't watch Boomerang as much as people do here (plus I only had access to the channel for less than a year), it shouldn't get the boot.

The bigger question is, why aren't more cable providers carrying it?

It's mainly because Boomerang is commercial-free, so cable/satellite providers don't make any real money off of it besides subscription fees. Without ad revenues, there's not much incentive on the part of providers to acquire Boomerang, since they wouldn't really make that money back in a significant enough way.

Mr Flintstone

02-19-2008, 10:45 AM

It's mainly because Boomerang is commercial-free, so cable/satellite providers don't make any real money off of it besides subscription fees. Without ad revenues, there's not much incentive on the part of providers to acquire Boomerang, since they wouldn't really make that money back in a significant enough way.

I think that's a problem, it SHOULDN'T be commercial free. When VH1 Classic debuted, it was commercial free, now it has commercials. With the addition of commercials, we would probably see more diverse programming.

jcorey3

02-19-2008, 05:44 PM

I think that's a problem, it SHOULDN'T be commercial free. When VH1 Classic debuted, it was commercial free, now it has commercials. With the addition of commercials, we would probably see more diverse programming.

commercials haven't made VH1Classic diverse. It's allowed it to become VH1's junk drawer. Did anyone ask to see that mega-thon Jacksons series? Or their constant rerunning of "I Love the ----"? It's not as much about the music anymore. Plus they don't play the freakish fun obscure stuff anymore. Putting ads on Boomerang won't bring any new shows to the channel that they haven't already run.

Silverstar

02-19-2008, 06:01 PM

Putting ads on Boomerang won't bring any new shows to the channel that they haven't already run.

No, but becoming ad-supported would bring Boom into a wider variety of homes, since that way more cable/satellite providers would be willing to take a gamble on it knowing they'd be getting the money they invested into it back via ad revenues.

The downside to that would be that becoming a commercial network would mean that with admen and accountants running the show, they'd also become more ratings-conscious as a result, and that could lead to the ushering in of more recent or even original programming in order to bring in the monster ratings that they simply couldn't get by being a retro-only channel. It could potentially just become the Cartoon Network situation all over again.

I'm not in love with the idea of Boom running ads either, but I don't see any other way to make the channel available in major markets.

Aclaim

02-19-2008, 06:25 PM

Are you asking 'Could Boomerang vanish?', or 'Should Boomerang vanish?' In either case, my answer would be no.

I'd say that there are 2 chances of that happening: slim and none. Boomerang shouldn't vanish because it's currently a better Cartoon Network than Cartoon Network is, and it couldn't vanish because it's not even close to being the disaster that Nick GAS was in it's last months. Boomerang isn't trying to fill out a 24 hour schedule with only 4 shows. Plus, Boomerang is one of Turner's personal pet networks. True, Boom is not in many homes as of yet, but the viewers that it does have are loyal ones. Boomerang isn't going anywhere.

My advice: Unless you've heard/read something official, don't assume anything.

I couldn't have said it better myself.

jcorey3

02-19-2008, 07:14 PM

No, but becoming ad-supported would bring Boom into a wider variety of homes, since that way more cable/satellite providers would be willing to take a gamble on it knowing they'd be getting the money they invested into it back via ad revenues.

The downside to that would be that becoming a commercial network would mean that with admen and accountants running the show, they'd also become more ratings-conscious as a result, and that could lead to the ushering in of more recent or even original programming in order to bring in the monster ratings that they simply couldn't get by being a retro-only channel. It could potentially just become the Cartoon Network situation all over again.

I'm not in love with the idea of Boom running ads either, but I don't see any other way to make the channel available in major markets.

There's more politics dealing with why Boomerang isn't on your dial - why should Comcast give more money to Time-Warner. the rival?

But it's not going to be the same channel at that point - it will turn into CN2. And right now you have Nick and Disney already pulling in the big numbers. I doubt there's any hope for Boomerang to pull in "monster" ratings. And if it had a show that got that many eyeballs, it'll be pulled and taken back to Cartoon Network. Boomerang is a complete niche channel that is all about nostalgia.

There are plenty of channels with commercials that get stuck on the upgrade to digital tier with Boomerang in my market including BBCAmerica and American Life (which has a lot of Fox reruns).

dth1971

02-19-2008, 11:42 PM

I wish Boomerang was ad supported along with Disney Channel!

Silverstar

02-20-2008, 08:29 AM

I wish Boomerang was ad supported along with Disney Channel!

Please don't start this again. As you've been told before, Disney doesn't need to run commercials between their shows because they've found other avenues through which to raise the funds needed to keep their channel going. Not running ads is Disney's choice, and that choice isn't hurting anything. (And anyway, Disney is ad-supported in the sense that they have sponsors, whose brand names do appear on the channel-as in "McDonald's is a proud sponsor of Disney Channel"-so those technically count as commercials.) Sorry to be so dismissive, but you've said this before, and you still have yet to provide a legitimate reason why you want to see commercials on Disney Channel other than "I just want to see them there".

And since this isn't the Disney forum, how about we just leave it there, 'kay?

To get back on-topic: as I said, I'm not love with the notion of Boomerang running ads; if there was a way to get Boom in millions of homes without them running spots for Cocoa Puffs and Yogos between the shows, I'd be all for that. But since Turner/Time Warner doesn't have Disney money, I just don't see any other way for Boomerang to get nationwide distribution, especially since one of the main reasons Boom is not on many cable/satellite packages is financial.

Racattack!Force

02-20-2008, 08:29 PM

How exactly will Boomerang become a CN2 anyway. The rate at which old CN shows come to the channel is pretty slow. Oh, and if Boomeraction was on Saturday mornings, then I'll be very happy.

dth1971

02-20-2008, 11:17 PM

How exactly will Boomerang become a CN2 anyway. The rate at which old CN shows come to the channel is pretty slow. Oh, and if Boomeraction was on Saturday mornings, then I'll be very happy.

I guess Boomerang will become CN2 by Fall 2008 or sometime in 2009.

Silverstar

02-21-2008, 08:21 AM

I guess Boomerang will become CN2 by Fall 2008 or sometime in 2009.

No, it won't. Please, no more of these groundless theories. Unless you can actually provide some sort of concrete proof or evidence to support these 'predictions' of yours, then you're just grasping at straws. Like Blackstar said, if you can't prove something, you don't need to be declaring it.

Racattack!Force

02-21-2008, 08:38 AM

I guess Boomerang will become CN2 by Fall 2008 or sometime in 2009.
It isn't going to become a CN2 and it ain't going to become like Latin America Bomerang.:sweat:

John Dorian

02-21-2008, 10:31 AM

Ace4135

02-24-2008, 02:47 PM

hopefully and probally...

very low!

I doubt they'll get rid of Boomerang

BUT... if they do, then the world will end and the universe will freaking explode or sometinhg

haha!

ltnut

02-24-2008, 09:04 PM

Boomerang is the last classic animated station in the US, so why it should vanish? CN isn't showing The Flintstones, nor The Jetsons, or any classic tied with Scooby Doo or Tom and Jerry. We're blessed that we still have classics on Boom and not crap in Latin America. Oh and dth1971, please stop acting so predictable.

Hopefully that will be the case. But Boomerang is showing too many signs of dropping older classics (LTs and Popeye) and replacing them with newer shows that while I liked some of them, aren't old enough to be considered classic yet. They may not change the name, but they're becoming like what CN was in the early 2000's, not like how they started.

Racattack!Force

02-25-2008, 06:18 PM

Hopefully that will be the case. But Boomerang is showing too many signs of dropping older classics (LTs and Popeye) and replacing them with newer shows that while I liked some of them, aren't old enough to be considered classic yet. They may not change the name, but they're becoming like what CN was in the early 2000's, not like how they started.
But they are not showing live-action and most of the programs showing are from the 40s - 80s...or something like that.:sweat:

dth1971

02-25-2008, 10:46 PM

Boomerang could be CN's junk drawer, really!

Silverstar

02-25-2008, 10:50 PM

Boomerang could be CN's junk drawer, really!

Come on, Boomerang's not that bad. At least they're not showing any live-action tween sitcoms, tokusetsu shows, irrelevant movies or recycled live-action kids' horror anthologies from the 90's.

I agree Boom could use some tweaking here and there and it could stand to become a little more marketable, but I don't think it needs to go away.

Antiyonder

02-25-2008, 11:11 PM

While we are on the discussion, I have suggested often that they could add programs without removing existing ones through rotation.

They change the schedule yearly, but I'm talking about grouping their shortest shows together. Basically pooling their episodes/resources so to speak. One example is Johnny Quest. You have the 60s, 80s and 90s series that could be grouped into one series. Air all of the 60s Series episodes, then move on The New Adventures Of Johnny Quest and then finish it with The Real Adventures Of Johnny Quest.

Or with some of their shorter Scooby Doo styled shows. Air Jabberjaw on Mondays, Speed Buggy on Tuesdays and Funky Phantom on Wednesdays, then back to Jabberjaw on Thursdays and so on.

I imagine that if I could come up with the idea, the network heads should be able to as well, so why haven't they tried it. Are there any downsides I didn't take into consideration?

Eric B

03-05-2008, 10:38 AM

It has basically "vanished" for me.
Just for moving a few blocks away, crossing into Brooklyn, NY from Queens, I had to switch to Cablevision from Time Warner, and Cablevision doesn't carry it. So that's it for me, for now. (Just as they had added Johnny Bravo!) I wish they gave you a choice of companies, here. Internet service seems to be a bit more spotty as well.

Daphne Blake

03-05-2008, 11:30 AM

No, but becoming ad-supported would bring Boom into a wider variety of homes, since that way more cable/satellite providers would be willing to take a gamble on it knowing they'd be getting the money they invested into it back via ad revenues.

I hope they do. I caqn't afford Boomerang so I'm stuck with rubbish stations lie CITV and CBeebies :sad:

SamandFrodo

03-05-2008, 09:18 PM

It isn't going to become a CN2 and it ain't going to become like Latin America Bomerang.:sweat:

Funny you should say that.

I went to visit a buddy of mine over in Phoenix a while back. He's Hispanic and subscribes to the cable's Hispanic channel block. Most cable systems give you a Spanish-language feed of U.S. Boomerang, but Cox Cable Phoenix, for some reason, carries the Latin American Boomerang instead.

The horror....

Me and him were checking it out and we couldn't even believe it. Close to 70% of the shows are live-action. The rest are just preschool cartoons and stuff from the 90s. It's more like the Family Channel than Boomerang. Besides that, do you know what else we notcied? ADS! Everywhere! It was the worst thing I've ever seen.

Bottom line: Ads should stay far far away from Boomerang. Boomerang should just stay what it is: a place where people can watch old cartoons. Let me say that again, CARTOONS!

Elven Moon

03-06-2008, 12:46 AM

It wouldn't really make any difference to me, since my digital cable doesn't even carry it (which is stupid :P). All I have is it's On Demand section, and it doesn't have much of a selection beyond Scooby Doo.

But it would still be a shame if it left.

Daphne Blake

03-06-2008, 05:35 AM

Huh, I think I've just realised why Boomerang is called Boomerang for the first time. Man I'm slow.

Jackson54

03-06-2008, 07:36 AM

Remove Boomerang, and you just removed a piece of nostalaga and memories of the golden age of cartoons.

Darth_Zilla

03-10-2008, 11:43 PM

Im not sure of their demographics that the boom has or brings in.They should do what nick jr and noggin do which is show products for adult cause they know adults will be watching the block or network.Which is what they should do.Or a major thing to do would to show commercials like adult swim does one or two per ep.Also they should have sponsors for blocks.Example Boomeraction you could have pepsi,nintendo.