View Full Version : Did anyone like The Life and Times of Juniper Lee?
Master Toon
12-21-2007, 11:20 PM
I thought it was a fairly decent cartoon and I think it was canceled before it's time.
The Irishman
12-21-2007, 11:23 PM
Yeah, I liked it. Very well done. Took a while to realise it was done in Flash. Did it just not pull in the rating's they were hoping for?
John Dorian
12-21-2007, 11:44 PM
Nope.
Juniper Lee (May 30, 2005-April 9, 2007 (final two episodes played on CN Video this year)).
Radical
12-22-2007, 12:01 AM
I loved that show which is one of my most CN favorites next to Samurai Jack & Megas XLR which I wish they would bring the show back because it had good potential & lots of action/fantasy & love the voice actress for Juniper who also did Kari(Digimon),Sherrice(S-cry-ed),Koko(Zatch Bell!) & Min/Lulu(Blood+), plus my favorite villains were Loki,Skeeter,Steven the Sandman,Maret,Mitch the Rhino,Kai Yee & those comic book supervillains which some of the bad guys rock & Ophelia is my favorite character who's the best of all gothic characters which she was great in the election episode.
Dr.Pepper
12-22-2007, 01:20 AM
I guess that it was okay.
It didn't really have a whole lot of potential in my eyes. Juniper was essentially Jake Long with a bunch of Danny Phantom which we all know is just a spiritual successor from Kim Possible. Each show had their own merits but in reality it was all just the same 'teen with powers and crushes' show.
There were moments of genius in this cartoon but it wasn't captivating at all to me. Even if it does have a character as a main girl, someone like me should be able to sit down and enjoy it.
Silverstar
12-22-2007, 11:52 AM
I loved that show which is one of my most CN favorites next to Samurai Jack & Megas XLR which I wish they would bring the show back because it had good potential & lots of action/fantasy & love the voice actress for Juniper who also did Kari(Digimon),Sherrice(S-cry-ed),Koko(Zatch Bell!) & Min/Lulu(Blood+), plus my favorite villains were Loki,Skeeter,Steven the Sandman,Maret,Mitch the Rhino, & those comic book supervillains which some of the bad guys rock & Ophelia is my favorite character who's the best of all gothic characters which she was great in the election episode.
Holy run-on sentences, Batman! :eek:
Anyway, to answer the question: Juniper Lee wasn't terrible, but it was never a favorite of mine. I found much of it to be horribly generic, as was said earlier, despite the odd clever gag here and there, it was just another run-of-the-mill "teen with secret powers and crushes" show. I can't really say I mourn its' loss.
Dudley
12-22-2007, 02:57 PM
Nah.
I liked Danny Phantom and American Dragon more.
Light Lucario
12-22-2007, 06:41 PM
Nah.
I liked Danny Phantom and American Dragon more.
Same here. I enjoyed some of the episodes and sometimes it was interesting, but I preferred Danny Phantom and American Dragon over Juniper Lee. They were able to engage me into their episodes and I felt that they were done at least a bit better than Juniper Lee. One thing that did really bother me when I watched it was how these kids looked so much older than eleven. Juniper herself could pass as a teenager, along with most of her friends. At least with Danny Phantom and American Dragon, they actually looked and acted like they were in middle school/high school. It was a decent cartoon, but the way the characters were protrayed as acting much older than elementary kids seriously bothered me and it just didn't interest me like DP and AD did.
Lavenderpaw
12-22-2007, 07:31 PM
It was good at times,but just a rip-off American Dragon in the end.
Bubblegum Girl
12-22-2007, 08:46 PM
It was good at times,but just a rip-off American Dragon in the end.
Juniper Lee wasn't a rip-off of American Dragon since the creator planned Juniper Lee years before American Dragon first premiere. And yes it had some similar points(Asian kid coming from a long line of magical beings), I don't see Juniper Lee to be a rip-off of American Dragon: Jake Long. AD:JL was ok but I didn't like the fact that Jake was acting all gansta when he was Asian...
But I really enjoyed Juniper Lee. I thought it was an interesting show. It was well animated and the stories were interesting. My favorite villain was Kai Yee, the rouge Te Xuan Ze. It was too bad that the show had to end with just 3 seasons...Season 3 was the best season of the series IMO.
Kryten
12-22-2007, 08:56 PM
Juniper Lee had a lot of potential but, for the most part, it squandered it by wasting way too much time on the character's little brother, who may have been teh single most irritating cartoon character to come along in the last five years.
Darklordavaitor
12-22-2007, 09:04 PM
Nah.
I liked Danny Phantom and American Dragon more.
Sort of with me. Juniper Lee was OK, pretty clever here or there, but IMO just was missing something to make me a fan(maybe first come, first serve...). But I'd so tap a DVD release.
Blackstar
12-22-2007, 11:23 PM
Juniper Lee had a lot of potential but, for the most part, it squandered it by wasting way too much time on the character's little brother, who may have been teh single most irritating cartoon character to come along in the last five years.
Quoted for truth. If Juniper Lee had continued, I had hoped that the writers would have sent Ray-Ray off to private school or otherwise had written him off of the show.
danreyes1
12-23-2007, 12:36 AM
I liked it. It was funny, had a good art style, and did the scenario better than the cartoon it was ripping off. CN ended another good cartoon before its time.
My only complaint is the voices for some characters. The dog, the nerd, and Rayray worked better when seen and not heard.
Taylor Karras
12-23-2007, 12:37 AM
It was good at times,but just a rip-off American Dragon in the end.
4 Words.
Buffy. The. Vampire. Slayer
It's what both shows originated from, Both JL and AD.
Master Toon
12-23-2007, 01:22 PM
AD:JL was ok but I didn't like the fact that Jake was acting all gansta when he was Asian...
That's because he wasn't Asian, he was an American kid. That's why he's the American Dragon. Yes he was of Asian decent but he obviously grew up in America. Another thing, how was he supposed to act in modern times? Seriously, how was he suppose to act? By the way Jake IS half Chinese and half American.
Edit: Also using slang does not mean you're acting gangsta. :rolleyes:
ToonFan83
12-23-2007, 01:52 PM
I am definitely a fan of Juniper Lee. The artwork was great and the stories were good too. I especially liked the one where June finds out she can't leave Orchid Bay; a lot of emotion there. And the one with the rouge Te Xuan Ze was another great episode. However, I would've liked to see things develop more between June and Marcus. Oh well.
I don't know why, but I keep daydreaming about the creators of Kim Possible taking over the show.
Lavenderpaw
12-23-2007, 07:52 PM
I am definitely a fan of Juniper Lee.
You spelled definitely without an 'a'. ^^
Juniper Lee is so much like Jake Long that it's not funny. Even the initials of both character are same! They both are Asian with part of their hair highlighted. They both help other-worldly creatures and protect Earth as well. Both shows have a talking bulldog who helps the main characters. It's almost scary how similar both of these shows are and they both were created around the same time.
John Dorian
12-23-2007, 09:04 PM
Juniper Lee is so much like Jake Long that it's not funny. Even the initials of both character are same! They both are Asian with part of their hair highlighted. They both help other-worldly creatures and protect Earth as well. Both shows have a talking bulldog who helps the main characters. It's almost scary how similar both of these shows are and they both were created around the same time.
And ended the same year. (2005-2007 for both).
And, their initials are JL (Juniper Lee and Jake Long).
They have talking dogs (Munroe an Fu Dog)
Annoying siblings (Ray Ray and Haylie)
Crushes (Marcus and Rose)
So many similarities that is isn't even funny.
Dudley
12-23-2007, 09:43 PM
And ended the same year. (2005-2007 for both).
And, their initials are JL (Juniper Lee and Jake Long).
They have talking dogs (Munroe an Fu Dog)
Annoying siblings (Ray Ray and Haylie)
Crushes (Marcus and Rose)
So many similarities that is isn't even funny.
But in the end, AD:JL was the better show.
But in the end, AD:JL was the better show.
Season 1 of ADJL was only good. They ruined a perfectly good show by redesigning it.
Dudley
12-23-2007, 09:58 PM
Season 1 of ADJL was only good. They ruined a perfectly good show by redesigning it.
I don't think the new design ruined it. The 1st season's animation got kinda wonky sometimes.
ToonFan83
12-23-2007, 11:42 PM
You spelled definitely without an 'a'. ^^
Yes because there is no 'a' in the word.
Kryten
12-24-2007, 12:35 AM
You spelled definitely without an 'a'. ^^
You mean... correctly?
Marinite
12-24-2007, 01:01 AM
I thought it was cute, but not as good as Jake Long or Danny Phantom. It lacked the dynamic characters and storylines the other two shows had which made the other two shows interesting to watch. It had a lot of potential, and while I enjoyed it, it's sort of a forgettable show because it lacked a lot of things.
Antiyonder
12-24-2007, 01:10 AM
But in the end, AD:JL was the better show.
I thought it was cute, but not as good as Jake Long or Danny Phantom.
Third on that. Juniper Lee was a fun show, but I'd say the following helped ADJL outdo it:
1. Jake's crush on Rose evolved to much deeper feelings.
2. Trixie and Spud got to find out Jake's life just a few episodes into the show.
3. I find Fu Dog to be the better character.
4. While Haley was the usual annoying sibling, she was certainly less annoying than Ray Ray.
Dr. Dave
12-24-2007, 10:50 AM
I liked Juniper Lee. It wasn't anything special, but it had its moments. It had an interesting twist with the fact the Juniper couldn't leave her home town, but the writers never got a chance to do too much with the idea.
The show wrapped production sometime in the first half of 2006. It never got a fourth season.
Master Toon
12-24-2007, 11:18 AM
1. Jake's crush on Rose evolved to much deeper feelings.
That's because Marcus could never understand Juniper Lee unless she told him and her grandma made Juniper keep her secret from everyone even her parents.
2. Trixie and Spud got to find out Jake's life just a few episodes into the show.
It wasn't all that soon. But it was nice that they found out.
3. I find Fu Dog to be the better character.
I liked Monroe better. He actually cared about his partner and is actually there for her through her battles.
4. While Haley was the usual annoying sibling, she was certainly less annoying than Ray Ray.
That's because Haley at least had some dragon training. Ray Ray has a little bit of Juniper's powers and he wants to feel useful. Besides Ray Ray wasn't annoying, he was just a burden.
lemonhead75
12-24-2007, 12:04 PM
Junpier Lee was a totally awesome show. The animation was great, and the last seasons plots kind of drew me in.
Yes, some characters voices are a tad annoying, but they fit the characters well.
It sure deserved more then 3 seasons. At least 4 seasons. It's a shame.:(
adoptedBatpuppy
12-24-2007, 12:05 PM
I liked Juniper Lee series but, Jake Long was more interesting for me, storywise it was better written. Junipe Lee had nice character designs.
Besides those two shows were really similar to each other.
Just an opinion
Happy Holidays Everyone!
Darklordavaitor
12-24-2007, 02:51 PM
Season 1 of ADJL was only good. They ruined a perfectly good show by redesigning it.
And you've yet to see S2, right?
I liked Monroe better. He actually cared about his partner and is actually there for her through her battles.
Well, Fu really showed he cared for Jake in eps like "Nobody's Fu", among others, but that is the most promient example.
Well, as for the whole rip-off consipracy, I have to really question this, since if you've seen enough of both shows AD:JL was more of a serious attempt at the genre, while JL was more of a parody of it. Plus, it takes more than six months to make a season of an animated series.
Freedom Fighter
12-25-2007, 10:16 PM
Jake Long-Juniper Lee. Won't deny the similarities, but I'm tired of the arguments - this is a Juniper thread, so I'm just gonna talk Juniper.
I kinda agree with most of the comments already posted. June was a very emotional-charged character (who I swear I've said needed anger management classes many times over), Ray-Ray, while sometimes useful and almost always meant well, was the annoying little brother we hope we never have (and if we did have one, well... be glad Ray-Ray ain't real), and June's friends Jody, Ophelia, and Roger, who were all good for some laughs.
I think the show's biggest problem is that while the storyline progressed, it didn't progress in the way many people thought it would. Very few recurring villains (did anyone show up more than twice?), and those that did appear more than once didn't do anything to differentiate themselves the second time around. And the fact that June had to keep her friends and other family members in the dark about being the Te Xuan Ze... save for what happened in the last episode. Kinda disappointed this didn't turn out to be a more fan-supportive show.
Save for appealing to the little kids by thrusting in bunches and bunches of Ray-Ray.
Another thing that hurt it was definitely the joke writing. Judd Winnick probably unintentionally hurt the show's success by being so referential to comic books and other geek fandoms. The show was witty, almost as witty as Kim Possible at times. The problem is... you had to actually get the joke to get that feeling, and understandably, most people didn't most of the time. It wasn't a show that only intelligent people would find funny. It was a show that only intelligent people who were into comic books and Star Trek and the like would find funny. Sadly, 'intelligent' shows, no matter which part of the genius spectrum is being sampled, usually don't fare well in the ratings.
Seriously, I would've loved it if more people got into Juniper Lee. But it's kind of hard to do that when the show itself limits its audience.
All things considered, though... I'm surprised it got to 39 episodes.
Kagetsu
12-25-2007, 11:04 PM
I loved that show which is one of my most CN favorites next to Samurai Jack & Megas XLR which I wish they would bring the show back because it had good potential & lots of action/fantasy & love the voice actress for Juniper who also did Kari(Digimon),Sherrice(S-cry-ed),Koko(Zatch Bell!) & Min/Lulu(Blood+), plus my favorite villains were Loki,Skeeter,Steven the Sandman,Maret,Mitch the Rhino,Kai Yee & those comic book supervillains which some of the bad guys rock & Ophelia is my favorite character who's the best of all gothic characters which she was great in the election episode.i still really like the show and wish I had saved a few more of the best episodes on tape. I still go back and watch the few I have. I do feel it was Lara Jill Miller, VA for June that really made the humour work for me. It worked best when they used all the characters. It was the complications of all the others that made the humour work. The writers could do some "gold" shows, then turn around and make a crap show. There always seemed to be just one thing missing to really bring the story line into firm view, but I never figured out just what was missing. In the end, even though it was a show I didn't expect to like, the characters became very important, and I watched the show just for them. It was fun and little else mattered.
Any talk of Jake Long looses me completely. Never saw it, can't see anything "disney" now, and wasn't always impressed with what they offered, sometimes variations are better.
li_mangaman
12-25-2007, 11:22 PM
i still really like the show and wish I had saved a few more of the best episodes on tape. I still go back and watch the few I have. I do feel it was Lara Jill Miller, VA for June that really made the humour work for me. It worked best when they used all the characters. It was the complications of all the others that made the humour work. The writers could do some "gold" shows, then turn around and make a crap show. There always seemed to be just one thing missing to really bring the story line into firm view, but I never figured out just what was missing. In the end, even though it was a show I didn't expect to like, the characters became very important, and I watched the show just for them. It was fun and little else mattered.
The show, while being one of my favorites, was missing a constant atmosphere. At times the episodes were more full of action than other times, and thusly left you with a different feeling after each episode.
That was really no big deal for me though, and did not hinder it from being one of my all time favorites. I truely wish at the least the show was still running on Cartoon Network, or anywhere for that matter. I would like to see it again.
lemonhead75
12-29-2007, 09:34 PM
Really?After each episode, I felt like demanding that CN show another episode right now.
warner
12-29-2007, 10:08 PM
I guess that it was okay.
What a surprise, personally each episode was the same formula and it turn on so nerd,
Lavenderpaw
12-30-2007, 08:45 AM
Any talk of Jake Long loses me completely. Never saw it, can't see anything "disney" now, and wasn't always impressed with what they offered, sometimes variations are better.
Then watch it on Toon Disney.
Taylor Karras
01-01-2008, 05:02 AM
Then watch it on Toon Disney.
What he means is that he wasn't impressed by the offering.
warnerbroman
02-18-2008, 03:22 PM
so much potential
I miss this show
Lavenderpaw
02-18-2008, 03:25 PM
so much potential
I miss this show
Meh,it was okay.Wanted to see the ending though.
Aclaim
02-18-2008, 03:27 PM
Meh for me it wasn't that good a show. It was very forgettable too.
RMX.EXE
02-18-2008, 05:47 PM
I thought the premise was kinda "Meh." but other than that, it started getting a little more intresting. but it kinda flew under the radar.
Master Toon
02-19-2008, 09:34 AM
Although I have already posted in this thread, I'd like to say that Juniper Lee and Dodgers were great cartoons that had tons of potential and I'll never forget them. Juniper Lee was never the hottest show around but hey, did it need to? Do we live in a world where everything we watch has to be at a high level of entertainment. As long as I'm happy at the end of the episode, nothing else matters.
Racattack!Force
02-19-2008, 12:07 PM
The show was okay. Just can't believe they didn't air the final few episodes on TV, and only on a limted online release.
SycrosD4
02-19-2008, 02:17 PM
It wasn't fantastic, but I agree that its life was cut short.
hobbyfan
02-20-2008, 09:29 AM
I didn't see too many eps of Juniper Lee, but I felt CN gave up on it too soon, just as they did with Duck Dodgers. Judd poured a lot of energy into the show, but his comic book commitments might've been a factor in its demise.
As for Jake Long, I didn't follow that all that much, either. He went from being unsure to cocky pretty quick. Didn't like that Rose was part of the Huntsclan (though you have to admit you wished she was a little older when she was masked and in costume). What I would've liked to have seen was Rose learning that she was also a dragon whose powers were submerged beneath the Huntsman's brainwashing/training. Had this been the direction they'd taken, then you'd have a near-guaranteed happy ending.
Antiyonder
02-20-2008, 09:38 AM
I didn't see too many eps of Juniper Lee, but I felt CN gave up on it too soon, just as they did with Duck Dodgers. Judd poured a lot of energy into the show, but his comic book commitments might've been a factor in its demise.
As for Jake Long, I didn't follow that all that much, either. He went from being unsure to cocky pretty quick. Didn't like that Rose was part of the Huntsclan (though you have to admit you wished she was a little older when she was masked and in costume). What I would've liked to have seen was Rose learning that she was also a dragon whose powers were submerged beneath the Huntsman's brainwashing/training. Had this been the direction they'd taken, then you'd have a near-guaranteed happy ending.
And that would be missing the point of American Dragon. While Jake and Rose were always intended to have a great deal of hardship before ending up together, making her a dragon would have made things too easy for them.
Kagetsu
02-20-2008, 10:59 AM
Although I have already posted in this thread, I'd like to say that Juniper Lee and Dodgers were great cartoons that had tons of potential and I'll never forget them. Juniper Lee was never the hottest show around but hey, did it need to?
Now that you mention Duck Dodgers, I see a similarity. Both were working with a dry humour that has always appealed to me. It requires a large set of different characters. Which is why JL lost ground to me when Junes friends and older brother were left out of the story. Dodgers never quite reached what I was looking for. I think they were trying to stick to closely with the animaniacs style that tended to put me off the humour.
Do we live in a world where everything we watch has to be at a high level of entertainment. As long as I'm happy at the end of the episode, nothing else matters.Yes we do. If you look at all of CN's recently added shows you may notice things. Spongebobesque humour works for the masses, and any other style that can't consistently get the same polled ratings as reruns of campLazlo is dumped.
I am a little shocked at the return of Storm Hawks to after school (old Miguzi). I thhought they were hiding it till it died just like Juniper, Code Lyoko, Dragon Hunters,,,, etc
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