C&C - Death Note - "Tactics" [11/17]

[Mugen]

Another week, another Death Note. This week, Light and Raye Penbar go at it. Who will wins?

[Ishtar]

This was a pretty good episode. I liked how Light actually met Ray and assigned him to kill his own comrades, before killing him. I feel very sorry for Ray though because he seemed like a average nice person and even had a girl he loved. I found it spooky the way Ray actually sees Light when he's getting his heart attack. I also liked the suspense of the investigation team finally being allowed to meet L in person, especially the way the episode ends with Soichiro opening the door of L's hotel suite.

[Draven]

I just want to say I REALLY like how these talkbacks are going. Not since Paranoia Agent, or Season 2 Winx Club have I seen Talkbacks this in depth. Death Note talkbacks are probably the most insightful talkbacks going on TZ right now.

Good job guys.

[Mugen]

I'll say it again, please keep major spoilers out of this thread. It ruins the experience for people who are watching this show for the first time. Please respect their wishes not to be spoiled. Thank you.

[Hyper Shadow X]

What a nice way to get trid of all the other FBI agents.

[poncho]

If you think about it one way, what Light did was extremely risky. He was completely counting on Penber trusting that Kira can kill anyone on sight, and wouldn't do anything at all unexpected. On the other hand, maybe Penber was unable to do anything unexpected (or remember Light's voice) because all his thoughts and actions upon entering the train station were pre-determined by what Light wrote in the Death Note...? Spooky.

"Ray Penber, heart attack, enters the ?? station carrying his work laptop at XX PM. Encounters a stranger claiming to be Kira. Follows the stranger's instructions to the letter, and dies at YY PM in ?? station."

[creativerealms]

Man I just love the suspense for this show, of Light's brilliant plots and growing madness, the cat and mouse game between L and Light. This episode continued that. Light well is starting to let the power corrupt his mission, he is starting to kill innocents just because they get in his way. Which makes sense he feels like a god right now. Well he will get whats coming to him. Eventually.

[Neo Ultra Mike]

Okay so in this one we get to see Light play with the Death Note some more and start offing even more of his opposition. I thought that Light would of left Raye alone last week and even thought so at the beginning of the when Light realized Raye didn't suspect him at all. However I guess Light's need to kill those inspecting him counted for more then just covering himself up for one guy. And sort of sadly Raye has passed on. Now his girlfriend is on the case though and I have a feeling she's going to be a lot harder to get rid of then Raye is. And then you got most of the squad quitting the case and the few remaining to actually meet the real L to discuss strategies. Yeah things are defintley getting interesting alright. And though Light is now pretty far from sympathy, I still got to admire just how different he is from pretty much every other leading role in an anime. And for someone who hasn't lifited a finger against any of his opponents he does give off a degree of badassness (I mean even finding something about the Death Note Ryuk didn't know. How often do you outknowledge the "teacher" that quickly?). I'll defintley enjoying sticking around to see what happens to him and the others, espically with the tension getting so thick you're going to need two knives to cut through it.

[Kitschensyngk]

Last time: "Ray Penber"...almost rhymes with "eviscerate".

Automobiles 2, criminals 0.

Next suicide note has a message reading "L YOUR MOMMA WEARS COMBAT BOOTS".

FBI men respond to threats now?

Ray Penber = Err by a pen.

L's a shepherd of lambs to the slaughter.

Shinigamis sure love keeping doctors away.

Light...try not to smile.

In which episode does Light contemplate killing his own father?

WHY ARE THE SUBTITLES SO FRICKING SMALL!

[Megaman X]

Poor Ray =( really I wish he did not have to die like that. I really hope Light gets something coming to him which messes him up big time.

[NahMan85]

Oh crap. This show just keeps on getting better and better. You know when you think about it there are an infinity amount of ways to kill someone so Light has an endless amount things he can try. Man he could kill everybody on the planet ten fold.

Seems light is going to get rid of raye's hot wife next. Geez. Why does the saying "With great power comes great responsibilty" feel like something light should learn with a couple beat downs just to make sure?

[Naruto D.Luffy]

Aizawa voice is a bit iffy for me.

[Speedy Boris]

I just want to give props to the English dub cast. They really made this episode come alive, and they kept me glued to the screen. Not that they sucked in previous episodes, but I think with the stakes getting higher, there's more tension and the VAs pulled it off.

I loved the subway scene. Really nail-biting. Too bad Ray had to die, though. :(

[Naruto D.Luffy]

I just want to give props to the English dub cast. They really made this episode come alive, and they kept me glued to the screen. Not that they sucked in previous episodes, but I think with the stakes getting higher, there's more tension and the VAs pulled it off.

I loved the subway scene. Really nail-biting. Too bad Ray had to die, though. :(

You think Ray dying was bad, just wait for the next 1 or 2 episodes.

[SirLemming]

Man, I cannot wait for the next episode. Almost as much as when I'm watching 24. This is definitely the best anime AS has gotten since... I dunno, maybe Cowboy Bebop.

So can somebody just run down the new Death Note rules revealed in this episode? I'm not 100% sure I understood them. I believe it's something like:

The person who's writing the name has to picture the face in his mind, but it doesn't necessarily have to be the owner of the Death Note who's doing it.But he also mentioned, early in the episode, some sort of other rule he figured out, but I didn't quite hear it. I think it had something to do with why he was able to kill the mall janitor guy the way he did.

[XOMiss_Samantha]

Ray =[
Ray's girlfriend =[

Boo Light. Boo for you. You're 'disguise' in the subway station made you look like a poor mans mugger. Now if only Ray coulda figured out that voice. His death scene always kinda freaked me out. /shudders

[PickHut]

Ooooh, while it did really suck that Ray had to go out like that (and unknowingly taking out his FBI buddies along with him), the moment that got to me was when Light encouraged his dad to stay with his investigation after he told the family that he could possibly die. That's just all kinds of messed up.

L seems to be pretty behind for these last two episodes, hopefully, after this meeting with the police, he'll start to get a little closer again to tracking down Light. And soon, too, since L and Light "battling" each other is one of the main draws here.

[Master Moron]

Actually, I thought Ray was kind of an ******* to his wife. I mean, if he actually talked to his wife about the case then she probably would have solved it. But, he had to be like "Solving cases ain't for women, *****, now get in the bedroom and start making babies." What a dumbass.

You know, if I was Ray I probably would have shouted "It's Kira!" after I got the heart attack. Then again, I'd imagine it's pretty hard to talk while having a heart attack.

[bigdeath]

Actually, I thought Ray was kind of an ******* to his wife. I mean, if he actually talked to his wife about the case then she probably would have solved it. But, he had to be like "Solving cases ain't for women, *****, now get in the bedroom and start making babies." What a dumbass.

I was angry at his attitude towards women as well. She was one of the best FBI agents but you let her quit just to have your babys?! :eek: :mad:

[Dark Moridin]

Well, this was another somewhat 'slow' episode, at least as far as Deathnote is concerned.

The pacing was fine, but then it all went back t0 a regular type pacing, with the exception of Light,....err, I mean Kira killing Ray. Now, I have ot retract my statement from an earlier post, saying Light was too smart to kill Ray, but then he goes and kills Ray while killing all the other FBI agents on the case. I figured he would have pointed right to himself with Ray's death, but he made sure that he killed all the other FBI agents as well to throw off the trail. Each week, i gro to like the actual intelligence of this series as opposed to the assumed intelligence of other AS series like Bebop, Witch hunter Robin, or Paranoia Agent.

Here we almost know what is going to go on (without spoilers ppls) and still are somewhat shocked with what goes on. I applaud "L" with his approach, cause at this rate, Light's activities will bring "L" right to him.

Can't wait for the next ep, and then hopefully i will talk about how Solomon tricks Ray into thinking he killed him out of anger, or some other such nonsense.

[Master Moron]

You know, after thinking about it, I'm not really sure what Light's master plan is. I mean, hasn't he already killed off all the criminals in the world other than the few that he saved to experiment on? So, then why bother killing the agents investigating him at all? If he simply kills all of the criminals in the world and burns the death note, then his work will be done and there will be no evidence that he did it. But, Light said that he wants to be a God. Now, how can he be a God if no one knows who he is? I guess I'm a bit curious whether his motive is really to make the world a better place or if it's just to become powerful.

[Mr. Anime]

You know, after thinking about it, I'm not really sure what Light's master plan is. I mean, hasn't he already killed off all the criminals in the world other than the few that he saved to experiment on? So, then why bother killing the agents investigating him at all? If he simply kills all of the criminals in the world and burns the death note, then his work will be done and there will be no evidence that he did it. But, Light said that he wants to be a God. Now, how can he be a God if no one knows who he is? I guess I'm a bit curious whether his motive is really to make the world a better place or if it's just to become powerful. Well, Light is completely utterly insane and we can't excpet a madman to think logicly about his plans even if he's is super genius.

[J'onn J'onzz]

Great episode as always.Man, I cannot wait for the next episode. Almost as much as when I'm watching 24. This is definitely the best anime AS has gotten since... I dunno, maybe Cowboy Bebop.

So can somebody just run down the new Death Note rules revealed in this episode? I'm not 100% sure I understood them. I believe it's something like:
The person who's writing the name has to picture the face in his mind, but it doesn't necessarily have to be the owner of the Death Note who's doing it.But he also mentioned, early in the episode, some sort of other rule he figured out, but I didn't quite hear it. I think it had something to do with why he was able to kill the mall janitor guy the way he did.
Yeah, I agree. I haven't seen an anime this suspenseful in ages.

The rule before the commercials said "The human who touches the Death Note can recognize the image and voice of its original owner, a god of death, even if the human is not the owner of the note." Basically the same thing as last week's episode exemplified with the busjacking incedent.

The rule after the commercial break said "The person in possession of the Death Note is posessed by a god of death, its original owner, until they die."
You know, after thinking about it, I'm not really sure what Light's master plan is. I mean, hasn't he already killed off all the criminals in the world other than the few that he saved to experiment on? So, then why bother killing the agents investigating him at all? If he simply kills all of the criminals in the world and burns the death note, then his work will be done and there will be no evidence that he did it. But, Light said that he wants to be a God. Now, how can he be a God if no one knows who he is? I guess I'm a bit curious whether his motive is really to make the world a better place or if it's just to become powerful.
There are always new criminals popping up. I mean, he's lowered the crime rate, but not altogether stopped crime.

[Conan-san]

I'm glad someone else picked up on Raye's questionable comments towords his girlfriend.

Hehehe, Flay Alster....

[Jacob T. Paschal]

God forbid Raye Penber just want's his wife safe and out of a dangerous life.

[Conan-san]

Well, yes, but "You won't have time for that once you have kids" isn't exactly the best way of saying that.

[elsie]

I was angry at his attitude towards women as well. She was one of the best FBI agents but you let her quit just to have your babys?! :eek: :mad:

YES! That's exactly what infuriated me about that scene.

Maybe it's a cultural difference that the mangaka didn't realize about American couples. But she's not even his wife yet, for pete's sake. She's still just his fiancee at this point. No American professional woman is going to quit an FBI job just because she's engaged. She might a few years into the marriage when she gets pregnant, but not for an engagement. And no American professional male involved with an American professional woman would dare to get all patriarchal with her over it the way Raye did, not and expect to actually get her to the altar.

[New Noise™]

I felt so awful for Raye, but that's obviously what the writers were trying to make you feel. They gave a detailed background of him and his fiancee and everything. What a shame. I actually thought that Light was going to have him live a little longer. The other thing that was creepy was how Raye wrote down his colleagues names on the Death Note paper. :sad:

[livingfruitvirus]

This week's episode is rocketing up the AS Video hit counter. Currently it's up to 142,175, in front of Metalocalypse (123,906) which usually beats Death Note. Maybe that'll change come tonight's premiere.

[silverfox1027]

This week's episode is rocketing up the AS Video hit counter. Currently it's up to 142,175, in front of Metalocalypse (123,906) which usually beats Death Note. Maybe that'll change come tonight's premiere.

Yeah, I noticed that too. But it could also mean that people decided to watch it on the fix rather than television, so I dunno. We'll see.

Anyway, relatively slow episode, as far as I'm concerned. But the epic is coming. And it's coming very, very soon.

[MessyB]

So, not only does Light make Raye kill himself, his boss, and all his coworkers, but also prevents Raye's soul from going to the afterlife. I hate this kid.

[Malex]

So, not only does Light make Raye kill himself, his boss, and all his coworkers, but also prevents Raye's soul from going to the afterlife. I hate this kid.

It could have been worse. Light could have also made Raye write down the names of his loved ones as well. Oh wait, the next episode preview shows Light being concerned about Raye's fiancee for some reason...

[shany94a]

Not much for Ryuk to do this time out, though he always seems to be just hanging around like a shark, waiting for something - and I don't mean apples ...

[animePWNS]

Hehehe, Flay Alster....

So in a past life, she was swearing revenge on another "Kira".

Though her methods in Gundam Seed were more fun to watch :eek: :o :evil: :D (however little we saw)!

I wonder if she'll do the same here...nah, this show's a little too smart for that.

I didn't catch her name in the actual episode. So her name is Naomi Misora? (credits)

[Vallen Valiant]

Not much for Ryuk to do this time out, though he always seems to be just hanging around like a shark, waiting for something - and I don't mean apples ...

Don't forget, Ryuk knows exactly when Light is suppose to die. He is just enjoying the ride in the mean time.:evil:

[FUNiOP]

I didn't catch her name in the actual episode. So her name is Naomi Misora? (credits)

Her name is Naomi Misora, as the credits say, but it hasn't said it yet because she uses an alias, which is important.

[Nanashi]

Actually, I thought Ray was kind of an ******* to his wife. I mean, if he actually talked to his wife about the case then she probably would have solved it. But, he had to be like "Solving cases ain't for women, *****, now get in the bedroom and start making babies." What a dumbass.
I'm SO happy to hear other people upset about this. By the way... ha! You said almost exactly what I had planned to say.

"You were one of the best agents on the force. But now you're my fiancee, and that's more important. Get in the kitchen and make me a sandwich."

God forbid Raye Penber just want's his wife safe and out of a dangerous life.
Err, yeah, except she seems to really want to remain an agent. I don't think it's his call to make, there.

Maybe it's a cultural difference that the mangaka didn't realize about American couples. But she's not even his wife yet, for pete's sake. She's still just his fiancee at this point. No American professional woman is going to quit an FBI job just because she's engaged. She might a few years into the marriage when she gets pregnant, but not for an engagement. And no American professional male involved with an American professional woman would dare to get all patriarchal with her over it the way Raye did, not and expect to actually get her to the altar.
Honestly, I thought they'd change the dialogue to make it less offensive for the American dub. I was really, really expecting some watered down version. But I guess it's a good thing that they stayed true to the original dialogue, no matter how much it rankles me.

I love Death Note. Really, I do. But it has to be one of the most misogynistic shows I've seen recently. But, ah, that's a discussion for later in the series, probably.

[creativerealms]

YES! That's exactly what infuriated me about that scene.

Maybe it's a cultural difference that the mangaka didn't realize about American couples. But she's not even his wife yet, for pete's sake. She's still just his fiancee at this point. No American professional woman is going to quit an FBI job just because she's engaged. She might a few years into the marriage when she gets pregnant, but not for an engagement. And no American professional male involved with an American professional woman would dare to get all patriarchal with her over it the way Raye did, not and expect to actually get her to the altar.

Thats what it felt like to me too. That the Mangaka did not fully grasp How American couple, especially cops or FBI agents and the sort work. However it was a minor problem to the over all episode.

[Cheetatron]

Man, I cannot wait for the next episode. Almost as much as when I'm watching 24. This is definitely the best anime AS has gotten since... I dunno, maybe Cowboy Bebop.

So can somebody just run down the new Death Note rules revealed in this episode? I'm not 100% sure I understood them. I believe it's something like:

The person who's writing the name has to picture the face in his mind, but it doesn't necessarily have to be the owner of the Death Note who's doing it.But he also mentioned, early in the episode, some sort of other rule he figured out, but I didn't quite hear it. I think it had something to do with why he was able to kill the mall janitor guy the way he did.Light figured out that you can write in the cause of death and other circumstances before hand and add the names later and it will still come true. Which is something Ryukk didn't even know. Which is why he was able to engineer the events which lead to ray his supervisor and his colleagues death.

[SirLemming]

Light figured out that you can write in the cause of death and other circumstances before hand and add the names later and it will still come true. Which is something Ryukk didn't even know. Which is why he was able to engineer the events which lead to ray his supervisor and his colleagues death.
Ah, I get it now. Thanks for clearing that up.

The thing I still don't get is that rule about "you must write the details of the death within X minutes after it happens". Seems like it wouldn't matter because the guy already died.

[Beefy]

What happened to Ryuk? I would have thought he'd enjoy the chance to taunt another human (Raye) who touched the Death Note.

The FBI loses twelve agents and runs away in defeat? I'd hope they would have shown a little more determination and not let Kira get away with that.

Towards the end of the episode we see the remaining policemen going to meet L in person. How does L know one of the remaining policemen isn't working for Kira (either by choice or by blackmail) just to get close to L and learn his identity?

[Malex]

The thing I still don't get is that rule about "you must write the details of the death within X minutes after it happens". Seems like it wouldn't matter because the guy already died.

The rule is to write the details 6 minutes and 40 seconds after writing the cause of death down on the Death Note. The details would not come true, neither would the specific death, if the details were written after that time limit, and the victim would just get a heart attack.

[macattack]

What happened to Ryuk? I would have thought he'd enjoy the chance to taunt another human (Raye) who touched the Death Note.


Raye never touched the Death Note sheets directly. The way Light had it set up was so Raye touched a folder covering the Death Note, with only small slits to write in.

[Dark Moridin]

Raye never touched the Death Note sheets directly. The way Light had it set up was so Raye touched a folder covering the Death Note, with only small slits to write in.
I didn't catch that part. what i get for drinking while watching. but still, that was pretty nifty to think that far in advance.

One question, won't the said page become evidence once an investigator picks it up?

[Ikwig]

But, Light said that he wants to be a God. Now, how can he be a God if no one knows who he is? I guess I'm a bit curious whether his motive is really to make the world a better place or if it's just to become powerful.

For those who believe in a "God", how many of them actually know who their "God" is? Part of believing in a supreme being is having faith that this being is all-knowing, all-powerful and exists in reality while knowing that one will never see or have contact with him/her. Of course, given that Light occasionally considers eventually revealing himself as the creator of his new world, I think that at his most basic level he is less about making the world a better place and more about going on a power trip via god-like acts. However, I doubt very much that he knows that about himself; I do not think one could be given to self-analysis and still be able to accomplish the kind of all-encompassing, world-cleansing, making-the-planet-over-in-my-own-image deeds which Light is attempting.

Raye never touched the Death Note sheets directly. The way Light had it set up was so Raye touched a folder covering the Death Note, with only small slits to write in.

Heh, I was gonna say that!:)

As far as those who were upset by Raye Pember's treatment of his fiancee (which, I must admit, threw me for a bit of a loop), let us not forget that the reason she accompanied him on his trip to Japan was to introduce him to her parents; she is of Japanese descent. Perhaps she chose to quit her job as an agent because she was raised to believe women are subject to their husbands; perhaps she actually fell in love with Raye because he behaved like a traditional Japanese husband; perhaps I am thinking a little too much about the motivations of a secondary character!:sweat:

As for my opinions about this week's ep, I was surprised that Light actually followed through and took out poor Raye. After last week's ep, wherein my predictions that Light was too smart to take up Ryuk's offer of Shinigami eyes, and that Light would figure out another way (probably complex) to get the name and face of his shadow both came true (yes, by the end of that ep, I was kind of feeling, like Light, that the "Death Note never fails" heh), I felt reasonably certain that Light would just hold onto the name and face for future use in case he became a problem; no point in drawing attention to yourself by taking out the guy tailing you, especially once he's decided you're clean and gone on to investigate someone else. But Light chose to go to the extreme (but smart if you're going take him out) method of killing off not only Raye, but all of the FBI agents. . . and kudos to him for his clever method of pulling it off: making poor Raye write down the names while looking at the faces of the other agents before dying himself. Creepy, cruel, but brilliant.
And yeah, I was kinda shocked that the FBI lost 12 agents to a mass murderer and decided to pull out of the investigation - weak, and weird; just can't picture that happening in real life.

And now the few remaining Japanese cops get the chance to meet L face to face. Do you think L really was trying to weed out all of those cops except those few who could whole-heartedly trust him? Did he expect the FBI agents to get killed off by Kira? Because if he did, then some of those cops have a good point: he is a bit too willing to put others lives on the line in his pursuit of justice. . . Of course, if you're going up against a mass murderer who can kill people without ever touching them or being near them, maybe you have to be willing to sacrifice a number of people in order to understand what the killer is doing: maybe just as Light is experimenting on the criminals so that he can understand the full power and limitations of the Death Note, perhaps L also must experiment and put his own allies in the way of Kira in order to gain an understanding of Kira's powers and limitations. Hmmm. . . or do you think that L should be able to deduce everything just from looking at the results of Kira's experiments?

At any rate, I'm giving this ep a 5/5. How long do I have to wait to see the next ep again?:p

[email2003]

This series reminds me of Detective Conan where you have to listen and keep up with all the info the series is throwing at you to keep pace with the series.

So far so good for Death Note on my behalf.

[Beat]

I'd say it's more akin to CSI than Conan, which is a VERY good thing.

Unlike a lot of similar-toned shows on Adult Swim, Death Note knows it wants to be a mystery show/crime drama and runs with it towards the end zone. The end result is less prattle about the meaning of life and more suspense about what Light and L will do to try and counter each other.

[Ikwig]

Unlike a lot of similar-toned shows on Adult Swim, Death Note knows it wants to be a mystery show/crime drama and runs with it towards the end zone. The end result is less prattle about the meaning of life and more suspense about what Light and L will do to try and counter each other.


Yeah, you're right!:) I'm finding a lot of that type of discussion (i.e. meaning of life, meaning of right and wrong, good and evil, etc.) on the forums (which I personally think is great; gotta love the philosophical debates!:D ), but the show itself isn't being bogged down by weighty discussions. It's much more (so far) about just presenting the facts of the series. Now that I think about it, so far there hasn't been any obvious "L is the good guy and Light is evil" (or vice versa) vibes either; the creator isn't playing favorites, which is just about unheard of these days.

And best of all, said creator isn't feeling the need to reiterate the same concept five or six times (just in case the viewer didn't pick up on it the first time :sweat: ); dare I hope that this show is actually crediting it's viewers with having some intelligence? :p

[Master Moron]

One last question. If Light already had the names and photos of all the agents on the laptop, why did he need Ray to write them down? Couldn't he have done that himself?

[David Lucas]

This point isn't really brought up too blatantly.

The first slot of the Death Note envelope was for the head lead of FBI task force. Light figured that Penber would naturally at least know the face of the man that assigned him to the job. In the details about the death that the task force leader would have, he controlled his actions to do something that was not out of the realm of possibility for the person. Namely, sending everyone in the task force an email with all the task force members.

If Ray never wrote the leader's name, he never would have gotten that e-mail. From there on out, it was smooth sailing.

The way that this show is written really is one of the most intellectual shows I've watched in recent years.

I was reading the IGN review over at...well....IGN, and the title for the review is "The villain emerges...", they then go on to talk about how Light has 100% become the villain of the show.

If it's like episode, what? 5? And Light is killing off entire task forces of Federal Agents, well, it's safe to assume it just gets worse from here on out.

[SigmasonicX]

Here are two pictures related to the episode that I'm sure you guys will find amusing.

Light should have moved back a bit (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a211/redmadman3000/Deathnote-StopBragging.jpg)
and
What Raye should have done (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c249/envoyofuno/Death%20Note/Revenge.jpg)

[TnAdct1]

Here are two pictures related to the episode that I'm sure you guys will find amusing.

Light should have moved back a bit (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a211/redmadman3000/Deathnote-StopBragging.jpg)
and
What Raye should have done (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c249/envoyofuno/Death%20Note/Revenge.jpg) Here's hoping some of the other "parody" pics will be posted in the future when certain episodes air, especially the swimming lessons bit ("UN! DEUX! TROIS!") As for the second one, while it would be funny, it will only be a temporary setback since Light is capable of writing with BOTH of his hands (you'll see what I mean in a few episodes).

[Lightning Tiger]

Here are two pictures related to the episode that I'm sure you guys will find amusing.

Light should have moved back a bit (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a211/redmadman3000/Deathnote-StopBragging.jpg)
and
What Raye should have done (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c249/envoyofuno/Death%20Note/Revenge.jpg)

the second one had me rolling

[Ishtar]

Here are two pictures related to the episode that I'm sure you guys will find amusing.

Light should have moved back a bit (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a211/redmadman3000/Deathnote-StopBragging.jpg)
and
What Raye should have done (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c249/envoyofuno/Death%20Note/Revenge.jpg)
Ha ha, those are hillarious. Light getting smushed by the door and Ray shooting him before the train left.

[Freedom Fighter]

"So much for his sense of justice... he's a murderer!"

So it's no longer just about Light killing the morally corrupt of the world... it's now also killing people who are trying to stop him from his task. I'll still admit, though, Raye Penber was forced into killing the entire FBI force and himself. Light still hasn't yet to disappoint me with his craftiness.

Meanwhile, L's pared down his 'force' to a handful... and now he'll reveal his true face? Will he really reveal himself this early in the game?

"Tactics": 3.5/5.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

"So much for his sense of justice... he's a murderer!"

So it's no longer just about Light killing the morally corrupt of the world... it's now also killing people who are trying to stop him from his task. I'll still admit, though, Ray Pember was forced into killing the entire FBI force and himself. Light still hasn't yet to disappoint me with his craftiness.

Meanwhile, L's pared down his 'force' to a handful... and now he'll reveal his true face? Will he really reveal himself this early in the game?

"Tactics": 3.5/5.

Thought you might like to know, it's 'Raye Penber'. :)


Note: This episode begins covering content from volume two [of the Manga]!

[Draven]

I think it's safe to say, that Light's motives, however noble in the begining, have long since become twisted. For example, not even WE know if that employee sweeping the store in the subway was a sex offender or not. He easily could just have been a random person used for an example. Light is a good liar when he needs to be.

The turning point, I feel, is when Light killed that fake L on television, in front of whoever happened to be watching.

The FBI loses twelve agents and runs away in defeat? I'd hope they would have shown a little more determination and not let Kira get away with that.

The FBI was already nervous and scared, and didn't trust L, who was directing them from afar, and after a massive blow like 12 agents in ONE shot, that was the final straw to send the rest packing.

Towards the end of the episode we see the remaining policemen going to meet L in person. How does L know one of the remaining policemen isn't working for Kira (either by choice or by blackmail) just to get close to L and learn his identity?

I disagree. I think L was thinking that same thing with the BIG group, but once he saw the final few, he knew that those guys were in for all the right reasons, so he told them to come on over, so they could have a face-to-face, and gain the trust back between each other.

[Ragebot]

For example, not even WE know if that employee sweeping the store in the subway was a sex offender or not. He easily could just have been a random person used for an example.

It is kept ambiguous, yeah. But then again, what reason would Light have to lie about the guy? After all, he begins threatening Raye's relatives immediately thereafter.

[NahMan85]

Here's a dumb question, why did light kill raye again? I understand that he would need to get rid of him because he was able to see with his own eyes who kira was. But why go as far as to kill twelve other FBI agents? None of them had never any sort of contact with light like raye did, so I'm not understanding the reasoning behind killing those other agents.

And even at that I don't really think raye should have died because he wouldn't have figured out that light was really 'kira', at least in my opinion. Raye himself said light wasn't 'kira' to begin with, you'd think as smart as light is he would have figured raye would stop suspecting him. You see what power can do to a teenage kid. It's EVIL, EVIL!

[Vallen Valiant]

Here's a dumb question, why did light kill raye again? I understand that he would need to get rid of him because he was able to see with his own eyes who kira was. But why go as far as to kill twelve other FBI agents? None of them had never any sort of contact with light like raye did, so I'm not understanding the reasoning behind killing those other agents.

And even at that I don't really think raye should have died because he wouldn't have figured out that light was really 'kira', at least in my opinion. Raye himself said light wasn't 'kira' to begin with, you'd think as smart as light is he would have figured raye would stop suspecting him. You see what power can do to a teenage kid. It's EVIL, EVIL!

The FBI agents do NOT matter. This is not about Light defending himself, but is instead a long-running mission plan to force L to gradually reveal his identity. The FBI agents were kill off in a grand and shocking manner to both temporarily remove American assistance, and to make it impossible for L himself to be trusted by the Japanese police without making himself known. Then Light would have a chance to know his name and face over time.

L on the other hand, knows that if he was to hold private meetings with the Japanese police, that "Kira" would also need to find means to know what happens in these meetings. With only 5 police officers, it is much easier to trace back any leak that was to occur. L is counting on Kira leaving a trace in attempting to spy on them, thus leaving clues in identifying Kira's identity.

The FBI, along with Ray Penber, were the means, not an end, to Light's plans. Kira's greatest threat is L, not any government agency.

[livingfruitvirus]

Did anyone get the final hit count of this episode online? Last I checked it was really high.

[silverfox1027]

Did anyone get the final hit count of this episode online? Last I checked it was really high.

Yeah, the [as] site wasn't loading for me this afternoon when I tried to check it. The last I saw, it was around 382k.