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Mugen
11-04-2007, 02:34 PM
Welcome to the Anything Else thread! This week, new episodes continue for the various AS shows. We also have two new shows coming to AS this week, which is Xavier: Renegade Angel and the British comedy Dark Place on Friday. How did the second episode of Death Note fare in the ratings? Will Saturdays continue to get promoted?


New Episodes in Lime Green
New Arrivals in Red
Return to Weekday Glory in Orange
Very slight change in time in Light Blue

http://adultswimhq.com/sundays.jpg November 4th
10.00/2.00 Futurama
10.30/2.30 Futurama
11.00/3.00 Family Guy
11.30/3.30 Robot Chicken
11.45/3.45 Metalocalypse
12.00/4.00 Xavier: Renegade Angel
12.15/4.15 Lucy, Daughter of the Devil
12:30/4.30 Venture Bros.
1.00/5.00 Stoker and Hoop
1.30/5.30 Frisky Dingo
1.45/5.45 Sealab 2021


http://adultswimhq.com/mondays.jpg November 5th
11.00/2.30 Family Guy
11.30/3.00 Boondocks
12.00/3.30 Boondocks
12.30/4.00 Bleach
1.00/4.30 Blood+
1.30/5.00 Trinity Blood
2.00/5.30 Inuyasha


http://adultswimhq.com/tuesdays.jpg November 6th
11.00/2.30 Futurama
11.30/3.00 Family Guy
12.00/3.30 Metalocalyspe
12.15/3.45 Lucy: Daughter of the Devil
12.30/4.00 Bleach
1.00/4.30 Blood+
1.30/5.00 Trinity Blood
2.00/5.30 Inuyasha


http://adultswimhq.com/wednesdays.jpg November 7th
11.00/2.30 Futurama
11.30/3.00 Family Guy
12.00/3.30 Metalocalyspe
12.15/3.45 Lucy: Daughter of the Devil
12.30/4.00 Bleach
1.00/4.30 Blood+
1.30/5.00 Trinity Blood
2.00/5.30 Inuyasha


http://adultswimhq.com/thursdays.jpg November 8th
11.00/2.30 Futurama
11.30/3.00 Family Guy
12.00/3.30 Metalocalyspe
12.15/3.45 Lucy: Daughter of the Devil
12.30/4.00 Bleach
1.00/4.30 Blood+
1.30/5.00 Trinity Blood
2.00/5.30 Inuyasha


November 9th
11.00/2.30 Dark Place
11.30/3.00 Family Guy
12.00/3.30 Metalocalyspe
12.15/3.45 Lucy: Daughter of the Devil
12.30/4.00 Bleach
1.00/4.30 Blood+
1.30/5.00 Trinity Blood
2.00/5.30 Inuyasha


http://adultswimhq.com/saturdays.jpg November 10th
11.00/2.00 Futurama
11.30/2.30 Boondocks
12.00/3.00 Death Note
12.30/3.30 Blood+
1.00/4.00 Ghost in the Shell: 2nd Gig
1.30/4.30 Fullmetal Alchemist
5.00 Voltron
5.30 Astro Boy

Beat
11-04-2007, 02:48 PM
Now that the bait and switch factor is gone, Death Note's actual performance will be very interesting to see.

silverfox1027
11-04-2007, 03:09 PM
I think Death Note will be fine. The whole bait and switch thing probably didn't do much, anyway, considering that Bleach has never really had stellar ratings in the first place. Not to mention that the truly surprised people probably wouldn't have stuck around for the entire episode.

I'm pretty sure episode 2 didn't do well, though, with the World Series and all.

R. Escobar
11-04-2007, 03:13 PM
This Xavier show better be good OR ELSE!!!!!!!!!!

Wonder Showzen is still my fave project from these guys though

The Collector
11-04-2007, 03:53 PM
I think Death Note will be fine. The whole bait and switch thing probably didn't do much, anyway, considering that Bleach has never really had stellar ratings in the first place.

What are you talking about? Bleach easily had the best ratings of any anime since FMA, even surpassing 500k several times, which AS obviously didn't think was possible looking at that Berserk card(grumble, grumble). Sure, the ratings dipped a little here and there, but overall, Bleach had as close to stellar ratings as an anime can be expected to get.

v1cious
11-04-2007, 04:09 PM
does anyone know what the Boondocks monday numbers are like? i haven't seen any kind of update since the pilot.

Mugen
11-04-2007, 05:26 PM
does anyone know what the Boondocks monday numbers are like? i haven't seen any kind of update since the pilot.

Nope. Unless the ratings for one of the episodes does outstanding numbers, we probably won't see one. That's not to say it's not doing well. I'm sure it's doing fine.

Master Moltar
11-04-2007, 10:15 PM
Nice for [as] to recognize the good Saturday numbers as of late.

Mugen
11-04-2007, 10:27 PM
Nice for [as] to recognize the good Saturday numbers as of late.

What did they say specifically?

Edit: Looks like AS doesn't like the fact that TBS has FG.

Rabi~en~Rose
11-04-2007, 11:30 PM
was that a new "hey show the old bumps I'm nostalgic" card or the same one from a couple months back :confused:

What are you talking about? Bleach easily had the best ratings of any anime since FMA, even surpassing 500k several times, which AS obviously didn't think was possible looking at that Berserk card(grumble, grumble). Sure, the ratings dipped a little here and there, but overall, Bleach had as close to stellar ratings as an anime can be expected to get.

fma over 500k = 13 times, bleach over 500k = 3 times

Master Moltar
11-04-2007, 11:44 PM
What did they say specifically?

Edit: Looks like AS doesn't like the fact that TBS has FG.

They mentioned something about good job Boondocks and anime fans for getting Saturday numbers up, then showed numbers from 10/6 to 10/20 and finished with something like "keep up the good work"

Mugen
11-05-2007, 12:00 AM
lol, even AS admitted that Xavier isn't a show that everyone will get into.

Rabi~en~Rose
11-05-2007, 12:15 AM
in the future boys won't have nipples :eek: :confused: thanks a lot for letting us in on this info early anime! :p


and now they're airing part two of the VB season two finale? :confused: I guess last week they put the wrong tape in

Kitschensyngk
11-05-2007, 12:35 AM
Interesting fact: Klaus Nomi died in 1983. Another one of Orpheus' clients?

Think about it.

Rabi~en~Rose
11-05-2007, 12:45 AM
good job saturday ratings!


Saturday, October 27th


Futurama: 535,000
Boondocks: 492,000
Blood+: 303,000

how expected :yawn:


Up: Futurama (x3)
Down: Boondocks
New: Blood+

Master Moltar
11-05-2007, 12:46 AM
Comedy does well, but ouch for Death Note. Hope everyone didn't completely lose interest.

livingfruitvirus
11-05-2007, 12:46 AM
Weird how the numbers make sense until anime kicks in.

Rabi~en~Rose
11-05-2007, 12:57 AM
Sunday, October 28th


Family Guy: 1,616,000
Chicken: 1,093,000
Futurama (10:30): 1,010,000

amazing! :eek:


Up: Family Guy, Chicken (x3), Futurama (10:30)

Master Moltar
11-05-2007, 12:57 AM
Top 3 on Sunday all over a million. Really nice.

Ahiru-kun
11-05-2007, 01:03 AM
It looks like Death Note is going to be another AS anime that severely performs below expectations and possibly never gets another run. And it seems like such a good show.

silverfox1027
11-05-2007, 01:04 AM
Oh no, Death Note! :eek: I won't lie, though...I was at a Halloween party last weekend...I totally didn't watch it.

I'll give it a few more weeks, though. Anime ratings tend to fluctuate a lot in the first few weeks. And considering that Death Note routinely outsold every other manga in the U.S. other than Naruto and Fruits Basket, I doubt lack of interest is the problem. The main problem is lack of promotion. Whether [as] will rectify that or not...well...I'm not holding my breath. :shrug:

v1cious
11-05-2007, 01:12 AM
DAMN! i can't believe Death Note dropped that far in one week. that's unheard of.

The Collector
11-05-2007, 01:22 AM
Well, unfortunately I can't say I'm surprised by Death Note's tumble, it looks like the old bait and switch may have actually had an effect on its intial numbers. People were surprised by a new show in Bleach's spot but stuck around to see it to the end, then decided "meh, I don't need to go out of my way to see the next episode."

I can see it sharing the same fate as Case Closed to some degree, both shows seem to be more intellectual than the rest of AS's line-up, relying on mind games to reel in the audience. Sadly, I'm not sure that'll work. Death Note has got my interest and CC is one of my favorites, but these types of shows don't seem to do well with the casual viewers. Maybe last week was just an anomally. I guess we'll find out in the future.

J'onn J'onzz
11-05-2007, 11:04 AM
Guys, the world series and halloween parties were that night. Of course the ratings were low.l Don't judge the show based on one poor performance night. Bleach didn't exactly get stellar numbers to begin with either.

Meanwhile Sundays kicked ass. All three shows over a million! :eek:

livingfruitvirus
11-05-2007, 01:16 PM
Guys, the world series and halloween parties were that night.

The World Series was on Sunday too, and it was game 4/7 with Boston 3-0. Plus 11 PM Saturday had healthy viewership. Sorry but the excuses aren't working this time.

silverfox1027
11-05-2007, 01:40 PM
Someone at the AS boards has a *~theory~*:


Here's my full theory on the World Series affecting Death Note's numbers (plus how the numbers look overall).

In Game 3, Boston held a 6-0 lead for the majority of the game, although the lead was cut to 6-2 going to the bottom of the 7th. By then, it was about 10 minutes until midnight on the East Coast for Death Note to air. In those 10 minutes, Holiday hit a three-run home run off of Okajima making it a 6-5 game. When that happen, everyone who was watching the Futurama/Boondocks hour block (535k/492k) flocked back to the game, seeing that it was now a ballgame and leaving less viewers for the beginning of Death Note. But by the end of the 8th Boston took back control of the game with a 9-5 score (the final was 10-5) and with that everyone flocked back to [as] for the conclusion of Death Note and the beginning of Blood+, thus Blood+'s numbers of 303k.

That said, it's pretty useless to speculate at this point. It's only episode 2. If I recall correctly, Bleach (and just about every other AS anime ever...maybe except FMA and Inuyasha) had pretty wildly fluctuating ratings at the start before stabilizing around 400k. We just have to wait and see if there is a trend.

Beat
11-05-2007, 04:37 PM
Most networks use 5 episodes to determine viewing trends unless ratings are really low.

I guess we'll just have to do the same.

D Dubbs
11-05-2007, 06:11 PM
It looks like Death Note is going to be another AS anime that severely performs below expectations and possibly never gets another run. And it seems like such a good show.

If Eureka Seven can get more than one run, then so can Death Note. I'm sure we'll probably see a weeknight run once Death Note gets around 20 episodes or so.

Beat
11-05-2007, 10:23 PM
Still, it's a telling example of how the slower paced anime (Paranoia Agent, Wolf's Rain) cannot get ratings in comparison to the faster paced stuff. And yet Adult Swim shows a definitive preference for the slower paced shows.

Speedy Boris
11-05-2007, 10:41 PM
I wouldn't exactly call Death Note slow. Heck, in the premiere people (including myself) expressed concern that the show was moving too fast, since a lot happened in only 22 minutes.

Anyway, I hope Death Note's ratings for this week are only a fluke.

J'onn J'onzz
11-05-2007, 10:59 PM
DirecTV lists INuYasha hour plus Voltron as airing tonight still...

Creme
11-05-2007, 11:09 PM
Really hope that Death Note ratings pick up, or else there's going to be trouble. Could be a comedy takeover of Saturday, or... I hope they don't think about getting rid of AS on Saturday. They did that a long time ago and it was terrible, replaced with a bunch of kiddy cartoons :eek:
But, Blood Plus did well so they couldn't possibly :anime:

R. Escobar
11-05-2007, 11:13 PM
Isn;t Death Note only on its second week?

You guys are pessismists, i'm sure the ratings will pick up

Beat
11-06-2007, 10:06 PM
Death Note is primarily a dialog driven show, which late night, won't attract attention. I think Green Goblin put it best in the "I'm a Marvel skits."

You see this Lex? It's a pumpkin bomb. I designed it offscreen, and then I built it offscreen, and then I blew up a building with it, and then my movie made twice as much as yours did.

Adult Swim LOVES anime that are dialog heavy. Loves it. But no one else seems to.

Master Moron
11-07-2007, 12:57 AM
The World Series was on Sunday too, and it was game 4/7 with Boston 3-0. Plus 11 PM Saturday had healthy viewership. Sorry but the excuses aren't working this time.

How about the excuse that they don't advertise Deathnote at all? That's a pretty good excuse, I think.

HG Revolution
11-07-2007, 07:32 AM
How about the excuse that they don't advertise Deathnote at all? That's a pretty good excuse, I think.

Didn't stop it from excellent ratings last week.

J'onn J'onzz
11-07-2007, 07:52 AM
Death Note is primarily a dialog driven show, which late night, won't attract attention. I think Green Goblin put it best in the "I'm a Marvel skits."



Adult Swim LOVES anime that are dialog heavy. Loves it. But no one else seems to.

A lot of people on this message board seem to. It's just that the ratings on the actual channel are highly erratic due to Nielson, and this being THE SECOND WEEK OF RATINGS. You can't feasibly predict a show's ratings trend only knowing one week's ratings. We didn't even get the actual amount for Death Note this time. It could've been 302,000, which was around the standard for Bleach. Just wait and see. Also, SNL is in reruns due to the writer's strike. I think that should increase Death Note's ratings this week too.

The Collector
11-07-2007, 02:23 PM
How about the excuse that they don't advertise Deathnote at all? That's a pretty good excuse, I think.

Speaking of which, have they aired a promo for it yet, or are they just going "the hell with it, whoever watches will watch and whoever doesn't won't, we can't possibly convince casual viewers to give it a try by showing promos"? This could be an unprecedented occurrence, airing a show with zero promotion at any time. Good marketing stategery, AS.

HG Revolution
11-08-2007, 03:00 PM
Still, it's a telling example of how the slower paced anime (Paranoia Agent, Wolf's Rain) cannot get ratings in comparison to the faster paced stuff. And yet Adult Swim shows a definitive preference for the slower paced shows.

How is Paranoia Agent slow? It moves very fast, actually. Speed it up much more and it'd be almost like FLCL.


Death Note is primarily a dialog driven show, which late night, won't attract attention.

If people don't watch AS for dialog, what DO they watch it for? I don't think anyone ever watched Space Ghost or 12oz Mouse for the animation.

KuwabaraTheMan
11-08-2007, 03:21 PM
Didn't stop it from excellent ratings last week.

Because it wasn't advertised, a lot of those people were probably tuning in expecting to see Bleach.

You could almost say it was a smart marketing tactic to bait and switch viewers expecting Bleach, but it seems like they saw the first episode and decided not to watch any more.

I don't think I even need to point out that it would have gotten much better ratings on Toonami, being aired where it's own target demographic is the one that counts in the ratings.

Don_East
11-08-2007, 04:03 PM
I don't think I even need to point out that it would have gotten much better ratings on Toonami, being aired where it's own target demographic is the one that counts in the ratings.
Yeah, and Toonami would be forced to take it off and severely edit Naruto & One Piece due to the PTC complaining to the Network that such a show is on kids line-up.

KuwabaraTheMan
11-08-2007, 04:31 PM
Yeah, and Toonami would be forced to take it off and severely edit Naruto & One Piece due to the PTC complaining to the Network that such a show is on kids line-up.

Because we all know how much the PTC pays attention to Toonami. Given what they complain about, don't you think they'd have raised a fuss about Naruto by now?

HG Revolution
11-08-2007, 04:35 PM
I don't think I even need to point out that it would have gotten much better ratings on Toonami, being aired where it's own target demographic is the one that counts in the ratings.

Everything on Adult Swim would get better ratings on Toonami. A primetime drama like House would get better ratings on Toonami than on AS. Doesn't make it a possibility.

livingfruitvirus
11-08-2007, 05:12 PM
You could almost say it was a smart marketing tactic to bait and switch viewers expecting Bleach, but it seems like they saw the first episode and decided not to watch any more.

Well that's not saying much for the mass appeal of the show, if that many people tuned in and realized they weren't going to watch it anymore.

Everything on Adult Swim would get better ratings on Toonami. A primetime drama like House would get better ratings on Toonami than on AS. Doesn't make it a possibility.

That's a Toonzone poster argument if I've ever heard one. "If everything was this way it would all be magically fixed."

Hey. They should move all the Toonami shows to weeknight primetime, since every one of those days performs better than Toonami.

HG Revolution
11-08-2007, 05:17 PM
That's a Toonzone poster argument if I've ever heard one. "If everything was this way it would all be magically fixed."

Hey. They should move all the Toonami shows to weeknight primetime, since every one of those days performs better than Toonami.

I don't think they should move AS shows to primetime. Certainly Death Note would work given the current situation. I was just saying that the "it'd get better ratings on Toonami" excuse can apply to a lot of shows, and it doesn't mean they should be on Toonami.

Besides, Kuwa, even if you think Death Note does not belong on an adult block, you have to admit it doesn't really belong on an action block either.

Don_East
11-08-2007, 05:45 PM
Because we all know how much the PTC pays attention to Toonami. Given what they complain about, don't you think they'd have raised a fuss about Naruto by now?
There's a difference between Naruto and Death Note. The PTC would probably wait for something like DN to show up and take down that and everything that airs next to it.

livingfruitvirus
11-08-2007, 07:16 PM
I don't think they should move AS shows to primetime. Certainly Death Note would work given the current situation. I was just saying that the "it'd get better ratings on Toonami" excuse can apply to a lot of shows, and it doesn't mean they should be on Toonami.

But wait, you said:

Everything on Adult Swim would get better ratings on Toonami.

So is it all shows or some?

Master Moron
11-08-2007, 07:37 PM
Those statements aren't really contradictory. He's saying that nearly every show on Adult Swim could get better ratings on Toonami, but he doesn't think that's a good enough reason to put them on Toonami.

HG Revolution
11-08-2007, 07:49 PM
So is it all shows or some?

All. More people can watch in primetime than late at night, and we all know teens love AS programming.

Beat
11-08-2007, 10:22 PM
If anything, Death Note would bore the Naruto audience to tears and lower ratings.

Williams Street- It's called Adult Swim ACTION. Not "Adult Swim People talk a lot because it makes us feel smarter than you."

livingfruitvirus
11-09-2007, 02:06 AM
All. More people can watch in primetime than late at night, and we all know teens love AS programming.

And that's why I said what I said earlier. You can't make blanket judgments like that and say because spot A holds more people than spot B then spot B is a waste of time. While primetime has more people watching than any other part of the day, the entertainment options pie is so divided that in truth, unless you're one of the big four, or a kids' network, the revenue potential is just as limited as late night. Two of Comedy Central's biggest shows are The Daily Show and The Colbert Report, and they still premiere nightly at 11 PM with The Daily Show having retained that slot since 1997. Comedy Central is smart enough to realize the dangerous move in sending their premieres to primetime, because primetime audiences are not the same as late night audiences, and other programs may take priority to the viewers over TDS/TCR.

A similar situation has been going on here in Los Angeles where a high powered radio station located at the US-Mexico border, 690 AM XETRA, was a San Diego radio station forever. Several years ago they decided to abandon San Diego and target the many many times more populated Los Angeles market. Result: They've had a 0.0 rating in Los Angeles for as many books as I can remember, and the same for San Diego ever since they stopped catering to them and basically lost all their SD listeners.

HG Revolution
11-09-2007, 07:35 AM
Williams Street- It's called Adult Swim ACTION. Not "Adult Swim People talk a lot because it makes us feel smarter than you."

Are you sure it's still "Adult Swim Action"? I mean, comedies like Futurama and The Boondocks air on Saturday nights. If they fit with the block, why can't dramas like Death Note or Paranoia Agent?

J'onn J'onzz
11-09-2007, 07:51 AM
If anything, Death Note would bore the Naruto audience to tears and lower ratings.

Williams Street- It's called Adult Swim ACTION. Not "Adult Swim People talk a lot because it makes us feel smarter than you."
Adult Swim seems to have abandoned the "Action" angle, considering almost half the block was comedy until the removal of Perfect Hair Forever and Minoriteam. That, and the fact that it hasn't been truly action oriented since the original block before SVES. They seem to be more focused on shows they think are good these days rather than ADHD non-stop action shows. I think Bleach was the exception, not the rule. And before anyone mentions InuYasha, that's off the schedule after tonight. Death Note is one of the few Shonen Jump anime that fit on Adult Swim. I don't care about the target audience in Japan. It aired at night there. It airs at night here. It fits. It's a somewhat short, dark, anime with a good plot, and AS loves those. If they don't get ratings, oh well, they're one slot a week, and short enough that it doesn't really matter. Plus, they've rerun Paranoia Agent, so there's hope for Death Note.

Beat
11-09-2007, 08:16 PM
I think them straying from the ACTION in their anime is what's causing the bad ratings.

HG Revolution
11-09-2007, 08:27 PM
I think them straying from the ACTION in their anime is what's causing the bad ratings.

AS Anime's highest ratings were during the FMA/GitS hour. Both of those shows were mixes of action and heavy dialog.

FLCL got great ratings too and its more of a romantic comedy than an action show (though admittedly it's a very visual experience).

Beat
11-09-2007, 08:44 PM
Paranoia Agent, a mostly dialog driven show tanked harder than any other show Adult Swim has ever aired, ever. So did Eureka 7, a show which seemed to take nearly half its run to get off the ground. Bleach, which everyone accused of being too kiddy due to its high shounen action to dialog ratio, scored very good ratings.

HG Revolution
11-09-2007, 09:11 PM
Paranoia Agent, a mostly dialog driven show tanked harder than any other show Adult Swim has ever aired, ever.

Worse than Super Milk Chan? At least Paranoia Agent made the top 3 every now and then. Milk Chan never did so.

Scryed didn't do much better than Paranoia Agent, and it was a very action-based show.

Beat
11-09-2007, 09:16 PM
Yeah, but Paranoia was the lead in. Retention among Saturday audiences seems to be the main viewing factor in a lot of cases.

HG Revolution
11-09-2007, 09:28 PM
Yeah, but Paranoia was the lead in. Retention among Saturday audiences seems to be the main viewing factor in a lot of cases.

Didn't stop 2AM showings of Futurama and FMA from frequently getting better ratings than the shows before them.

Beat
11-09-2007, 09:36 PM
Yeah, but at that point, they had been established. Paranoia Agent and Scryed didn't have that luxury.

HG Revolution
11-09-2007, 09:55 PM
Just wondering, Beat, what do you have against Paranoia Agent? Dialog never hurt anyone, and it's not some slow boring show.

Beat
11-09-2007, 10:04 PM
The first episode put me to sleep. That and I shake my head at the fact that despite the fact that the ratings were horrific, Adult Swim wants more shows in that same vein.

Speedy Boris
11-09-2007, 10:28 PM
You should really give more episodes a try.

macattack
11-10-2007, 01:27 AM
I suppose then that AS viewers want dumb hack 'n' slash anime rather than something that actually makes them use their brain every now and then? Why does this not surprise me?

I actually liked the smarter anime AS has aired. Robin, WR, PA, NGE, B+, and now DN are more than deserving of good ratings.

Then again, this explains the continued calls for Berserk despite AS' thankful assurances that they will not air it.

And I thought S-Cry-Ed did a lot better than it apparently did. I mean, it moved to the network from on-demand because so many people wanted it. Then again, Steve Blum bellowing "I'm gonna kick your ass!" every five minutes got kinda old after a while.

HG Revolution
11-10-2007, 07:37 AM
The first episode put me to sleep. That and I shake my head at the fact that despite the fact that the ratings were horrific, Adult Swim wants more shows in that same vein.

What was wrong with the first episode? Yes, a lot of it is build-up which isn't quite as gripping as what comes later on. So? Hitchcock movies often had big build-up segments. Do you think Psycho and The Birds are worthless?

HG Revolution
11-10-2007, 02:29 PM
The first episode put me to sleep. That and I shake my head at the fact that despite the fact that the ratings were horrific, Adult Swim wants more shows in that same vein.

Also, what has AS aired that's in the same vein? Death Note is a dark mystery show, but the similarities stop there.

Mugen
11-10-2007, 03:45 PM
And I thought S-Cry-Ed did a lot better than it apparently did. I mean, it moved to the network from on-demand because so many people wanted it. Then again, Steve Blum bellowing "I'm gonna kick your ass!" every five minutes got kinda old after a while.

While the Saturday premieres weren't that great, I think S-Cry-Ed did better in the ratings for reruns on weekdays. I remember it going over 400,000 18-34 viewers in one card.

Beat
11-10-2007, 05:33 PM
I suppose then that AS viewers want dumb hack 'n' slash anime rather than something that actually makes them use their brain every now and then? Why does this not surprise me?

I actually liked the smarter anime AS has aired. Robin, WR, PA, NGE, B+, and now DN are more than deserving of good ratings.



Wow. That's the exact type of "we're better and smarter than you" approach a lot of these shows put on that is such a big turnoff to the average viewer.

Viewers don't like watching something that makes them feel stupid. PA seemed to go out of its way to make viewers feel stupid.

HG Revolution
11-10-2007, 05:36 PM
PA seemed to go out of its way to make viewers feel stupid.

I never felt stupid watching it. Confused? Yes, but the confusingness was intentional and part of the entertainment. I followed the general themes well enough and never once felt like it was insulting my intelligence.

Lightning Tiger
11-10-2007, 06:24 PM
While the Saturday premieres weren't that great, I think S-Cry-Ed did better in the ratings for reruns on weekdays. I remember it going over 400,000 18-34 viewers in one card.

More people have the oportunity to see something if it airs 5 days a week, spreads awareness.

Mugen
11-10-2007, 06:25 PM
More people have the oportunity to see something if it airs 5 days a week, spreads awareness.

Well, it was 4 days a week for AS when the show was airing. Friday hadn't arrived yet.

Beat
11-10-2007, 09:21 PM
I never felt stupid watching it. Confused? Yes, but the confusingness was intentional and part of the entertainment. I followed the general themes well enough and never once felt like it was insulting my intelligence.

It felt like it was trying to be overly pretentious and kept that whole "We're smarter than you" approach. A show in a similar vein, Serial Experiments Lain never had me feeling that.

So why Adult Swim goes after shows that are proven failures is beyond me. What's needed is a different approach. A show that isn't a pretentious babblefest that goes "I'm smarter than you! HAW HAW!"

HG Revolution
11-10-2007, 09:58 PM
It felt like it was trying to be overly pretentious and kept that whole "We're smarter than you" approach. A show in a similar vein, Serial Experiments Lain never had me feeling that.

So why Adult Swim goes after shows that are proven failures is beyond me. What's needed is a different approach. A show that isn't a pretentious babblefest that goes "I'm smarter than you! HAW HAW!"

How was Paranoia Agent trying to be all "we're smarter than you"? And what shows has AS aired that are anything like it? Death Note pretty much has to be ultra-smart and talky in order for the story to work at all. I mean, IT'S A SHOW ABOUT SUPER-GENIUSES! It's not pretentious, it's necessary.

MasterZaffro
11-11-2007, 11:57 AM
Does anyone know why my Fix video doesn't go full screen? I use Safari on a Mac OS X. It's really pissing me off.