How to build a better Boomerang

[hobbyfan]

You know what they say, if it isn't broken, why fix it? In Boomerang's case, there's always room for improvement, especially when you can cater to everyone's needs.

There are people here who've complained about recent WB/CN series like Krypto, Duck Dodgers, and Gerald McBoing-Boing moving to Da Boom in recent months, and the fact that CN's programming nerds would rather shove their current trendies (i.e. Camp Lazlo) down our throats. Well, I've devised a schedule that should make everyone happy, except for the anime enthusiasts, because if there's one thing Da Boom doesn't have at the moment is anime programming. Here goes:

Weekdays:

6: Boomerang Zoo, expanded to 2 hours.
8: MGM Hour (Tom & Jerry, Droopy, et al)
9: Acme Hour
10: Pink Panther
10:30: Popeye
11: Yogi Bear
11:30: Huckleberry Hound
12: Scooby-Doo Movies
1: Flintstones
1:30: Top Cat
2: Jetsons
2:30: Jonny Quest
3: Smurfs (1 hr.)
4: Gerald McBoing-Boing
4:30: Krypto (Baby Looney Tunes airs here on Fridays)
5: Powerpuff Girls (why not? They're not on CN anymore)
5:30: Johnny Bravo (ditto)
6: MGM Hour (repeat)
7: Acme Hour (repeat)
8-10: Cartoons Without a Clue--Weekend block now in prime time:

8: Batfink
8:30-9:30: various (Chan Clan, Hong Kong Phooey, Atom Ant, et al)
9:30: Scooby-Doo

10-1: Boomeraction:

10: Justice League (Unlimited)
10:30: Thundarr the Barbarian M-Th, Duck Dodgers Fridays
11: Swat Kats
11:30: Real Adventures of Jonny Quest
12: Super Friends (1 hr up to World's Greatest, then drop to 1/2-hr. at that point)
1: Scooby-Doo Movies (repeat)
2-4: Cartoons Without a Clue (repeat)
4: Smurfs
5: Snorks
5:30: Popeye

Weekends:

6: Boomerang Zoo
8: Wacky Races
8:30: Perils of Penelope Pitstop
9-12: Boomeraction:

9: Thundarr
9:30: Batman Beyond
10: Space Ghost
10:30: Herculoids
11: Shazzan!
11:30: Birdman
12: Cartoons Without a Clue (1 hr., as is the case now)
1-4: Boomersports:

1: Speed Buggy
1:30: Devlin
2: Wacky Races (repeat)
2:30: Scooby's All-Star Laff-A-Lympics

4: Boomermovies
6-8: Boomeroyalty
8: Flintstones
8:30: Jetsons
9: Top Cat
9:30: Jonny Quest
10-1: Boomeraction--see above
1-6--see above for late night

The lineup will change every 2-3 months to keep things fresh. Opinions?

[JabarR]

Maybe the can bring Power Rangers (Saban produced) to Boomerang, since they're gonna be taken off the air next month.

[Blackstar]

Maybe the can bring Power Rangers (Saban produced) to Boomerang, since they're gonna be taken off the air next month.

Do you honestly think that bringing a live action former FOX Kids show to Boomerang would be a step up? 'Cause I don't.
There should be NO live action shows on Boomerang. Period.

[Silverstar]

...Well they do air The Banana Splits. However, the Splits only serve as hosts and wraparounds for the cartoon segments.

But I agree that Boomerang should ideally remain devoid of live-action (lest they risk following in the craptacular path that CN is currently on). Unless they were to change formats and become a general retro Saturday morning network or something, like what TV Land tried to do for a while back in 1999, in which case I'd personally rather see The Krofft Supershow.

[jcorey3]

if they're going to show a show with giant monsters - they need to just get Ultra Man and Space Giants.

How about running Clutch Cargo to fill the gaps during the days instead of marathon ads for CN stuff?

[Kid Cloudkicker]

my local cable operator will not air Boomerang, if my apartment's landlord would allow it i'd so get satellite tv.

[mob don chris]

weekday cartoon cartoon mornings
6:00 am time squad
7:00 am mike lu and og
8:00 am dexter's lab
9:00 am power puff girls
10:00 am sheep in the big city
11:00 am johnny bravo
12:00 am whatever happened to robot jones


weekday Boomeraction high 'noon time

1:00 pm the transformers
2:00 pm beastwars:transformers [ I consider this show a classic.] ;)
3:00 pm g.i. joe
4:00 pm g.i. joe:sigma 6
5:00 pm samurai jack

Boomnami weeknight action time [ Boomnami is a version of classic toonami on the Boomerang channel block.]

6:00 pm Rorouni kenshin
7:00 pm 08th MS team [ gundam, for those who don't know.]
8:00 pm Outlaw star
9:00 pm Ronin warriors
10:00 pm Zoids: chaotic century
11:00 pm Reboot

late night/early morning weekday
12:00 am MGM
1:00 am looney toons
2:00 am gerald mcboing-boing
3:00 am Dilbert
4:00 am shake, rattle, and roll
5:00 am Garfield

weekend mornings
12:00am -6:00 am 7 hours of cartoon cartoons

7:00 am action man [1999]
8:00 am Donkey Kong Country
9:00 am Eeek! the cat
10:00 am Dog city
11:00 am ed,edd, 'n eddy

weekend afternoons

12:00pm-6:00pm Boomeraction 7 hours of action

7:00pm-11:00pm Boomnami 5 hours of Boomnami action

[Mister Intensity]

weekday cartoon cartoon mornings
6:00 am time squad
7:00 am mike lu and og
8:00 am dexter's lab
9:00 am power puff girls
10:00 am sheep in the big city
11:00 am johnny bravo
12:00 am whatever happened to robot jones


weekday Boomeraction high 'noon time

1:00 pm the transformers
2:00 pm beastwars:transformers [ I consider this show a classic.] ;)
3:00 pm g.i. joe
4:00 pm g.i. joe:sigma 6
5:00 pm samurai jack

Boomnami weeknight action time [ Boomnami is a version of classic toonami on the Boomerang channel block.]

6:00 pm Rorouni kenshin
7:00 pm 08th MS team [ gundam, for those who don't know.]
8:00 pm Outlaw star
9:00 pm Ronin warriors
10:00 pm Zoids: chaotic century
11:00 pm Reboot

late night/early morning weekday
12:00 am MGM
1:00 am looney toons
2:00 am gerald mcboing-boing
3:00 am Dilbert
4:00 am shake, rattle, and roll
5:00 am Garfield

weekend mornings
12:00am -6:00 am 7 hours of cartoon cartoons

7:00 am action man [1999]
8:00 am Donkey Kong Country
9:00 am Eeek! the cat
10:00 am Dog city
11:00 am ed,edd, 'n eddy

weekend afternoons

12:00pm-6:00pm Boomeraction 7 hours of action

7:00pm-11:00pm Boomnami 5 hours of Boomnami action

Too modern of a schedule. The big problem with Boomerang these days is that there's too few classics. Making it Toonami oriented makes it worse.

Myron

[Silverstar]

Too modern of a schedule. The big problem with Boomerang these days is that there's too few classics. Making it Toonami oriented makes it worse.

Myron

With CN (formerly Cartoon Network) currently straying further and further from their original format and gaining "live-action cartoons" like Out of Jimmy's Head and acquisitions like Goosebumps and Kamen Rider in their fevered attempt to capture the Drake and Josh/Hanna Montana audience, expect the trend of 'modern' shows turning up on the Boom to continue before it stops. Face it, as CN mutates itself into Children's Network, Boomerang seems destined to become the new Cartoon Network, which is pretty much what it is now.

BTW, mob don chris: by Shake, Rattle and Roll, do you mean that 70's carton about the 3 ghosts who ran a hotel? Because that was never its' own show, as I recall. It was just one segment on The CB Bears. If you mean that show which starred R.J. Williams and featured the voice of Rob Paulsen as a hip robot, that was the syndicated H-B series Wake, Rattle and Roll, which was later rerun on Disney Channel under the title Jump, Rattle and Roll.

[mob don chris]

yes. the 90's H-B cartoon from Disney.
and the shows in my schedule are from the 80's and 90's.
example: The Transformers [80's] and Transformers: Beast-wars [90's]

so,why not show it on boomerang? and how come?

[Silverstar]

yes. the 90's H-B cartoon from Disney.
and the shows in my schedule are from the 80's and 90's.
example: The Transformers [80's] and Transformers: Beast-wars [90's]

so,why not show it on boomerang? and how come?

I don't have an issue with you wanting to see Wake Rattle & Roll on Boomerang; I was just asking which show you meant.

Some people would have an issue with that show airing on Boomerang though, because the host segments were live-action. Although nobody seems to mind The Banana Splits airing on the Boom, however.

And hate to nitpick, but WR&R was not 'from Disney'. It was produced by Hanna-Barbera and was originally made for syndication. Disney only aired the reruns after it finished its' one-season run. Therefore it can't be counted as a true Disney show, but an acquisition.

[hobbyfan]

yes. the 90's H-B cartoon from Disney.
and the shows in my schedule are from the 80's and 90's.
example: The Transformers [80's] and Transformers: Beast-wars [90's]

so,why not show it on boomerang? and how come?

For starters, Boomerang/CN doesn't own Beast Wars or the original Transformers series---yet.

By design, Boomerang is for the older HB/WB/MGM cartoons in their library. By adding more shows from the last 10-15 years to Da Boom, it hurts said library's accessibility to viewers even more. They have to replace the idiots in charge to turn things around.

BTW, Mobby, how about scopin' my idea at the start of this thread, to get a better idea of what we're supposed to be doing here.

[mob don chris]

then how about the first ever 24/7 Transformers channel with new and old shows and the live-action/animated movies/specials, as a [movies/specials]
block.
cool idea,huh?
however, hobbyfan, I like your schedule idea ,but popeye is not an action 'toon replace it with
godzilla.

[Blackstar]

how about the first ever 24/7 Transformers channel with new and old shows and the live-action/animated movies/specials, as a [movies/specials]
block.
cool idea,huh?

Uh-uh.

An entire channel built around a single show is far too specific and would get old very fast.

[mob don chris]

did YOU even read it?!!!

[mob don chris]

gi joe and transformers should be on boomerang.

[Blackstar]

did YOU even read it?!!!

Yes, I did, and I stick by my original statement. I like tacos, but I don't want to eat nothing but tacos for every meal of the day, every single day. Even fans of Transformers don't want to watch Transformers 24/7. And the number of fans who would actually pay for such a channel is so small that they wouldn't even register a blip on the Nielsen's radar. You'd never be able to convince anyone to finance such a "fan boy" channel.

gi joe and transformers should be on boomerang.Except that older fans might complain that those shows are too recent to air on Boomerang, even though they're from the 1980s (or 1990s or early 2000s, if we're talking about the revivals of said shows). It all boils down to when you were born and what decade you grew up in. You're (obviously) pretty young, so you consider the shows from the 1980s and 1990s to be classics.

[John Dorian]

Yes, I did, and I stick by my original statement. I like tacos, but I don't want to eat nothing but tacos for every meal of the day, every single day. Even fans of Transformers don't want to watch Transformers 24/7. And the audience who'd want to see something like that is so small (we're talking about 5 to 7 people at the most) that you'd never be able to convince anyone to finance such a "fan boy" channel.

Except that older fans might complain that those shows are too recent to air on Boomerang, even though they're from the 1908s (or 1990s or early 2000s, if we're talking about the revivals of said shows). It all boils down to when you were born and what decade you grew up in. You're (obviously) pretty young, so you consider the shows from the 1980s and 1990s to be classics.





1908? You mean those shows are 99 years old? :D

[Blackstar]

:sweat: Whoops! Typo! But I fixed it.

[Jeff Harris]

I'm going to rebuild Boomerang later in the week on my main site. But I will share one minor tidbit of something I'd add to Boomerang:

Ads.

The only reason Boomerang isn't on the minds of anybody within Turner and TimeWarner is because it doesn't make any money for the company aside from subscriptions. Ad sales would definitely bolster the appeal for the network, but I don't think they should dominate the entire lineup though. Mornings up until about 3 PM E/P and 2 AM into the morning should be commercial-free. Only air ads in periods where viewership are likely going to be huge. Yes, commercial-free Boomerang is a great thing, but that's also the reason more cable operators aren't picking it up. When, and only when, they start airing non-CN commercials will Boomerang gets added to every cable provider (and folks, the digital era is a little over a year away, prepare yourselves).

More creative stuff at my pointless display later in the week. Some will shock you. Others will thrill you. But it will be . . . entertaining to say the least.

[John Dorian]

I'm going to rebuild Boomerang later in the week on my main site. But I will share one minor tidbit of something I'd add to Boomerang:

Ads.

The only reason Boomerang isn't on the minds of anybody within Turner and TimeWarner is because it doesn't make any money for the company aside from subscriptions. Ad sales would definitely bolster the appeal for the network, but I don't think they should dominate the entire lineup though. Mornings up until about 3 PM E/P and 2 AM into the morning should be commercial-free. Only air ads in periods where viewership are likely going to be huge. Yes, commercial-free Boomerang is a great thing, but that's also the reason more cable operators aren't picking it up. When, and only when, they start airing non-CN commercials will Boomerang gets added to every cable provider (and folks, the digital era is a little over a year away, prepare yourselves).

More creative stuff at my pointless display later in the week. Some will shock you. Others will thrill you. But it will be . . . entertaining to say the least.




Good, very good. But why you keep saying your stuff is pointless?

[Schuyler]

weekday cartoon cartoon mornings
6:00 am time squad
7:00 am mike lu and og
8:00 am dexter's lab
9:00 am power puff girls
10:00 am sheep in the big city
11:00 am johnny bravo
12:00 am whatever happened to robot jones


weekday Boomeraction high 'noon time

1:00 pm the transformers
2:00 pm beastwars:transformers [ I consider this show a classic.] ;)
3:00 pm g.i. joe
4:00 pm g.i. joe:sigma 6
5:00 pm samurai jack

Boomnami weeknight action time [ Boomnami is a version of classic toonami on the Boomerang channel block.]

6:00 pm Rorouni kenshin
7:00 pm 08th MS team [ gundam, for those who don't know.]
8:00 pm Outlaw star
9:00 pm Ronin warriors
10:00 pm Zoids: chaotic century
11:00 pm Reboot

late night/early morning weekday
12:00 am MGM
1:00 am looney toons
2:00 am gerald mcboing-boing
3:00 am Dilbert
4:00 am shake, rattle, and roll
5:00 am Garfield

weekend mornings
12:00am -6:00 am 7 hours of cartoon cartoons

7:00 am action man [1999]
8:00 am Donkey Kong Country
9:00 am Eeek! the cat
10:00 am Dog city
11:00 am ed,edd, 'n eddy

weekend afternoons

12:00pm-6:00pm Boomeraction 7 hours of action

7:00pm-11:00pm Boomnami 5 hours of Boomnami action

Way to modern, like another poster said, boomerang is really not that bad right now. But I really would like to see more action cartoons, thats one of the main things, that upsets me, and they have so many they could show.

Space Ghost and Dino Boy
Birdman and the Galaxy Trio
The Herculoids
Shazzan
Fantastic Four 60s version
Challenge of the GoBots
Sky Commanders
Galtar and the Golden Lance
The Centurions

I know they have the rights to more action cartoons, but these are the ones for sure I know they can air. If they had more older action cartoons I would be happy.

[Mister Intensity]

Yes, I did, and I stick by my original statement. I like tacos, but I don't want to eat nothing but tacos for every meal of the day, every single day. Even fans of Transformers don't want to watch Transformers 24/7. And the number of fans who would actually pay for such a channel is so small that they wouldn't even register a blip on the Nielsen's radar. You'd never be able to convince anyone to finance such a "fan boy" channel.

Except that older fans might complain that those shows are too recent to air on Boomerang, even though they're from the 1980s (or 1990s or early 2000s, if we're talking about the revivals of said shows). It all boils down to when you were born and what decade you grew up in. You're (obviously) pretty young, so you consider the shows from the 1980s and 1990s to be classics.

I actually think Boomerang should have more shows from the 80's. In fact it would be a great hook for the channel. Shows from the 00's is too recent but stuff from the 80's even the early 90's would be a good fit but it shouldn't dominate the channel.

Mister Intensity

[Blackstar]

I actually think Boomerang should have more shows from the 80's. In fact it would be a great hook for the channel. Shows from the 00's is too recent but stuff from the 80's even the early 90's would be a good fit but it shouldn't dominate the channel.

Turner does what it can for the Boom, but keep in mind that Turner doesn't own the rights to every 80s and 90s cartoon under the sun. they can air only what shows are available to them in the vaults.

Jeff Harris is right. In order for Boomerang to become available in more homes, they would need to start having some ad time, as much as I dislike the idea of Boomerang suddenly having commercials.

[jcorey3]

Budget is the big issue at Boomerang. It is an outlet for all the H-B shows controlled by Turner.

Do wish they'd do more promotion of their shows coming out on DVD. Would it kill them to run a "enter to win this show" contest when a title is coming out on DVD? Josie and the Pussycats is out. Why not give away 5 copies via the website and announce during the time killers?

[Silverstar]

Budget is the big issue at Boomerang. It is an outlet for all the H-B shows controlled by Turner.

All the more reason for Boom to become ad supported. While I certainly wouldn't relish the notion of Boomerang running commercials, if the channel were ad supported, they'd have more money to throw around and cable/satellite companies would be more willing to pick it up, since its' parent companies would make more off of it than just subscription costs.

[jcorey3]

All the more reason for Boom to become ad supported. While I certainly wouldn't relish the notion of Boomerang running commercials, if the channel were ad supported, they'd have more money to throw around and cable/satellite companies would be more willing to pick it up, since its' parent companies would make more off of it than just subscription costs.

Money doesn't seem to be the issue. Although attention might be. seems like Turner has their hands full as they keep messing with Cartoon Network/Adult Swim (especially with the live action nonsense). It always strikes me that the brass at Cartoon Network enjoy the fact that Boomerang doesn't require so much attention. It must occupy a couple decks and a single drawer in CN's headquarters.

I have a lot of pals who let their kids watch Boomerang because of the lack of ads. It would be a very bad move for them to get ino the Corn Syrup business.

What would be a nice Boomerang feature is "Shows that won't be coming to DVD." Give us a chance to record the missing Scooby Doo movies.

[The Cartoon]

Weekdays
Kids Block
8:00 AM Young Robin Hood
8:30 AM Dink The Dinosaur
9:00 AM Pup Named Scooby-Doo
9:30 AM Yo Yogi!
10:00 AM Flinstone Kids
10:30 AM Space Kidettes
11:00 AM School House Rock
11:30 AM Curious George (End Of Kids Block)

12:00 PM Boomerang Zoo
1:00 PM Catanooga Cats

2:00 PM Hong Kong Phooey
2:30 PM Josie & The Pussycats
3:00 PM Jabberjaw
3:30 PM Speed Buggy

4:00 PM Flinstones
4:30 PM Flinstones
5:00 PM Jetsons
5:30 PM Jetsons
Cartoons Without A Clue
6:00 PM M-Dynomutt & The Blue Falcon
T-Amazing Chan Clan
W-Goober & The Ghost Chasers
Th-New Schmoo
F- Inch High Private Eye
6:30 PM M-Captain Caveman & the Tenn Angels
T-Butch Cassidy & The Sundance Kids
W-Casper & The Angels
Th-Funky Phantom
F-Clue Club
Scooby-Doo & Yogi Block
7:00 PM The New Scooby-Doo Movies
8:00 PM M-Scooby-Doo Where Are You?
T-The Scooby-Doo Show
W-The Scooby & Scrappy-Doo Show
Th-The Thirteen Ghosts Of Scooby-Doo
F-The New Scooby-Doo Show
8:30 PM M-Yogi Bear
T-Yogi's Gang
W-Yogi's Space Race
Th-Yog's Treasure Hunt
F-The New Yogi Bear Show

Superhero block
9:00 PM Superfriends (Different Series
10:00 PM Frankenstein Jr. & The Impossibles
10:30 PM Moby Dick & Mighty Mightor

Newer, But Still Classic Cartoon Block
11:00 PM M-Beetlejuice: The Animated Series
T-Megaman
W-Sonic The Hedgehog
Th-Jumanji: The Animated Series
F-Inspector Gadget
11:30 PM M-Garfield & Friends
T-The Mask: The Animated Series
W-Mighty Mouse
Th-Ghostbusters: The Animated Series
F-New Casper Show

MidNight Cartoons
12:00 AM MGM Cartoons
12:30 AM What A Cartoon Show

Late Night Cartoons
1:00 AM PacMan
1:30 AM Snorks
2:00 AM Dasturdly & Mutley
2:30 AM Wacky Races
3:00 AM The Perils Of Penelope Pitstop
3:30 AM Addams Famiy
4:00 AM Devlin
4:30 AM Top Cat
5:00 AM Groovy Goolies
5:30 AM Herculoids
6:00 AM The Adventures Of Jonny Quest
6:30 AM Mr. Magoo
7:00 AM Space Ghost
7:30 AM Top Cat

Weekends

8:00 AM Tarzan/Batman Adventure Hour
9:00 AM Scooby's All Star Laff-A-Lympics

Classic Cartoon Block
10:00 AM Tom & Jerry
10:30 AM Tom & Jerry
11:00 AM Alvin & The Chipmunks
11:30 AM The Charlie Brown & Snoopy Show
12:00 PM The Woody Woodpecker Show
12:30 PM The Heckle & Jeckle Show
1:00 PM Gumby
1:30 PM Rocky & Bullwinkle
2:00 PM Tenessee Tuxedo
2:30 PM Chilly Willy
3:00 PM Batfink

4:00 PM Boomerang Zoo

Sports Block
5:00 The Harlem Globetrotters
5:30 PM Speed Racer
6:00 PM Where's Huddles?
6:30 PM The Super Globetrotters

7:00 PM Journey To The Center Of The Earth: The Animated Series
7:30 PM Hardy Boys: The Animated Series
8:00 PM The Archies
8:30 PM Pink Panther
9:00 PM The Incredible Hulk
9:30 PM Super Mario Bros. Show
10:00 PM Legend Of Zelda
10:30 PM Flash Gordon: The New Adventures
11:00 PM Captain Planet
11:30 PM Roman Holidays

Midnight Cartoons
12:00 AM MGM Cartoons
12:30 AM What A Cartoon Show

Late Night Cartoons
1:00 AM Laurel & Hardy
1:30 AM Abbot & Costello
2:00 AM The New Adventures Of Huckelberry Finn
2:30 AM Adventures Of Gulliver
3:00 AM Sinbad Jr.
3:30 AM Three Musketeers
4:00 AM Arabian Knights
4:30 AM Young Sampson & Goliath
5:00 AM Shazaan
5:30 AM Fantastic 4
6:00 AM Birdman & The Galaxy Trio
6:30 AM Help! It's The Hair Bear Bunch
7:00 AM Kwicky Koala
7:30 AM Shirt Tales

[Jeff Harris]

My plan (http://www.thexbridge.com/sb02.html).

The skinny: Build a foundation. Relocation. Support animation. A schedule demonstration.

Controversial? No doubt. But it could be done.

[dth1971]

Boomerang should add retro 1970's live action kid shows (Korg: 70,000 B.C., Shazam!, Isis, Ark II, Space Academy, Jason of Star Command, some Krofft shows like H.R. Pufnstuf and Land of the Lost).

Boomerang should also add retro 1970's Filmation animated shows like Fat Albert and the entire Filmation Archie cartoon series.

[Silverstar]

Boomerang should add retro 1970's live action kid shows (Korg: 70,000 B.C., Shazam!, Isis, Ark II, Space Academy, Jason of Star Command, some Krofft shows like H.R. Pufnstuf and Land of the Lost).

Those would kind of out-of-place on the home of classic CARTOONS, don't you think? Unless Boomerang were going to change its' format to a general oldies TV channel called Turner Rewind or Turner Retro, I don't see the point of them doing anything like this.

Boomerang should also add retro 1970's Filmation animated shows like Fat Albert and the entire Filmation Archie cartoon series.If Turner/Time-Warner doesn't own 'em, they can't air 'em. Simple as that. Whether they should or should not air these shows is irrelevant.

[Mister Intensity]

My plan (http://www.thexbridge.com/sb02.html).

The skinny: Build a foundation. Relocation. Support animation. A schedule demonstration.

Controversial? No doubt. But it could be done.

I like your plan for the most part, particularly the ten year cutoff date (this would allow something like BTAS and STAS but leaves out later shows), which allow new shows to come in every year. I would probably allow shows that run for more than 65 hours or 130 half hours (Scooby-Doo, Flintstones, Smurfs, Superfriends) to air in hour long blocks. I do like an idea that shows with similar themes (mystery solving teenagers, funny animal hijinks, Flintstone spinoffs) run as part of a half-hour theme block so episodes don't get burnout so quickly. This was how a lot of HB Shows were syndicated in the 70's and early-80's -- The Banna Splits and Friends, Fred Flinstone and Friends, Hanna-Barbara World of Super Adventure, etc. Overall, your plan sound like a sound one.

Mister Intensity

[Blackstar]

Boomerang should add retro 1970's live action kid shows (Korg: 70,000 B.C., Shazam!, Isis, Ark II, Space Academy, Jason of Star Command, some Krofft shows like H.R. Pufnstuf and Land of the Lost).

What part of "classic CARTOONS" do you not understand? How about we leave the live action retros for Nick At Nite and TV Land and let Boomerang handle the animated retros?

[jcorey3]

What part of "classic CARTOONS" do you not understand? How about we leave the live action retros for Nick At Nite and TV Land and let Boomerang handle the animated retros?

What part of Cartoon was part of Tim and Eric's Awesome Show and Saul of the Mole Men? Not to mention the running of movies that have nothing to do with animation on Cartoon Network. Remember that we've entered a time when all these niche channels are tossing aside their programming promise to get LCD eyeballs. Sundance Channel showed the Blues Brothers - the last true studio film at Universal. Nothing Indie about that film. TVLand wants to turn into a middle age reality show channel. Supposedly running the Krofft stuff didn't bring in good ratings. They aren't interested in these shows.

As far as the non-animated retro Saturday morning stuff, buy the DVDs. Most of the shows mentioned (minus Shazam) are out.

Boomerang has run non-Turner/T-W owned programming - Casper, Underdog, Pink Panther and Rocky & Bullwinkle.

While it would be nice to have these great non-HB animated shows on the air, it's not like Boomerang will do anything special. It's not like they have a Robert Osbourne to introduce Beany & Cecil or Speed Racer.

[Blackstar]

What part of Cartoon was part of Tim and Eric's Awesome Show and Saul of the Mole Men? Not to mention the running of movies that have nothing to do with animation on Cartoon Network. Remember that we've entered a time when all these niche channels are tossing aside their programming promise to get LCD eyeballs. Sundance Channel showed the Blues Brothers - the last true studio film at Universal. Nothing Indie about that film. TVLand wants to turn into a middle age reality show channel.

I don't agree with these channel's desire to steer away from their formats, but just because Cartoon Network's schedule is headed down the crapper, that doesn't mean that Boomerang should likewise follow suit. I personally find the "Everybody else is doing it, so we should too" mentality to be lazy and cowardly. That's the kind of thinking that led to MTV's airing reality shows and sitcom reruns that have nothing whatsoever to do with video games or tech airing on G4. It takes more courage to stand out and to pioneer.

Supposedly running the Krofft stuff didn't bring in good ratings. They aren't interested in these shows.And Boomerang shouldn't be either, because they're not animated. They'd have no reason to add live action retros to it's lineup, unless they suddenly wanted to become a general nostalgia channel, like Silverstar suggested.

As far as the non-animated retro Saturday morning stuff, buy the DVDs. Most of the shows mentioned (minus Shazam) are out.That I agree with.

[hobbyfan]

Boomerang should add retro 1970's live action kid shows (Korg: 70,000 B.C., Shazam!, Isis, Ark II, Space Academy, Jason of Star Command, some Krofft shows like H.R. Pufnstuf and Land of the Lost).

Boomerang should also add retro 1970's Filmation animated shows like Fat Albert and the entire Filmation Archie cartoon series.

Dude, I know you love the older shows like the rest of us do, but get a clue! The Kroffts never made cartoons. Da Boom doesn't have the rights to about 90% of the Filmation library. All they have presently would be the DC toons from the 60's & 70's, the Tom & Jerry toons from 1980, and maybe the Gilligan toons.

FWIW, TNT did run Korg at 6 am on Sundays for a while a few years back, but right now the Turner nets don't have a place for it.

[Optimus81]

Okay, I've got a few points to make:

- I'm reading a lot of people mentioning shows like Gobots... does Cartoon Network/Boomerang even have the rights to this? If so, have they ever shown Gobots in the past? Given that it was a Hanna-Barbera show, you'd think they would've aired it in the past especially given how much air time shows like Thundarr the Barbarian and Swat Kats have gotten over the years.

- In terms of how to improve Boomerang, I would LOVE to see some Filmation shows join the block, which would really be interesting given how HB and Filmation were competitors once upon a time. But I think the Filmation library could offer a lot to the channel- Archies, Tarzan, Batman ('77), Flash Gordon, Blackstar, Star Trek, not to mention classics He-Man and She-Ra. I'd definitely love to see that.

- I understand people's frustration with CN dumping old shows that they don't air anymore on Boomerang, but if you haven't noticed, CN's old shows are WAYYYYY better than their new crap! Shows like Dexter's Laboratory, Swat Kats, and Duck Dogers aren't "classic" by any means but they are good, solid shows and I'm betting they get ratings because younger audiences relate to newer-looking shows, anyway. So while Boomerang purchaces and recycles its old shows to keep them fresh, I'm fine with older Cartoon Network shows paying the bills.

[jcorey3]

I don't agree with these channel's desire to steer away from their formats, but just because Cartoon Network's schedule is headed down the crapper, that doesn't mean that Boomerang should likewise follow suit. I personally find the "Everybody else is doing it, so we should too" mentality to be lazy and cowardly. That's the kind of thinking that led to MTV's airing reality shows and sitcom reruns that have nothing whatsoever to do with video games or tech airing on G4. It takes more courage to stand out and to pioneer.
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It has nothing to do with courage. It's all about eyeballs and subscribers. MTV discovered they could keep their viewers watching longer with Real World marathons than music videos. Odds are if you don't like a group, you'll reach for the clicker and turn to something else rather than endure 4 minutes of that act. Do I like that they've pretty much given up on music? Eh. Not like there's that many new acts worth hearing that can afford to make a video.

G4 has pretty much turned into Spike Jr, but what part of that is that fact that it is basically 2 channels that couldn't survive providing programming to the videogame generation. VH1-Classic now runs VH1's crummy movies instead of obscure music videos of the 80s. AMC runs more one hour dramas than black and white classics. BBCAmerica runs Benny Hill (a Thames production).

Is there a single cable channel that sticks to its niche title anymore? TCM & Boomerang seem to be the only places holding on to its promise. But both of those channels have a vault of programming that allows them to operate at a discount. Boomerang won't be opening up the wallet to "land" Spongebob (not that viacom would sell him).

What is the lastest number of homes receiving Boomerang?

[Silverstar]

- In terms of how to improve Boomerang, I would LOVE to see some Filmation shows join the block, which would really be interesting given how HB and Filmation were competitors once upon a time. But I think the Filmation library could offer a lot to the channel- Archies, Tarzan, Batman ('77), Flash Gordon, Blackstar, Star Trek, not to mention classics He-Man and She-Ra. I'd definitely love to see that.

As previously stated, Turner/Time-Warner doesn't own the rights to any of those old Filmation shows. It's not that they wouldn't be a good fit on Boom-I'd actually be all for that-but if Turner/Time-Warner can't obtain the rights to those shows, then they simply can't air them. It's not a lack of desire, but a lack of ability.

- I understand people's frustration with CN dumping old shows that they don't air anymore on Boomerang, but if you haven't noticed, CN's old shows are WAYYYYY better than their new crap! Shows like Dexter's Laboratory, Swat Kats, and Duck Dodgers aren't "classic" by any means but they are good, solid shows and I'm betting they get ratings because younger audiences relate to newer-looking shows, anyway. So while Boomerang purchaces and recycles its old shows to keep them fresh, I'm fine with older Cartoon Network shows paying the bills.

Exactly. That's why I don't have an issue with Boomerang airing 90's-00's shows. CN's going down the crapper right now, and they clearly have no desire whatsoever to air Dexter, Cow & Chicken, Justice League and the like, so why can't they air on the Boom? If CN wants to become the red-headed stepchild of Nick and Toon Disney, the least they can do is make Boomerang the Cartoon Network they once were. My only issue with that is that ideally, Boomerang should be available to a wider market.

[Optimus81]

As previously stated, Turner/Time-Warner doesn't own the rights to any of those old Filmation shows. It's not that they wouldn't be a good fit on Boom-I'd actually be all for that-but if Turner/Time-Warner can't obtain the rights to those shows, then they simply can't air them. It's not a lack of desire, but a lack of ability.

You're right. I know that AOL-TIME Warner do not own the rights to those shows because someone else owns the whole library. Turner purchased the Hanna-Barbera library, not the Filmation library.

I don't believe I said in my post anywhere that they have the rights and don't air them. I thought the topic of this thread was just things we'd love to see on the channel. I was stating a wish of mine that I'd love to see fulfilled, I wasn't critiquing Boomerang. It's what we geeks do best, anyway! :D

I'm not exactly sure why you felt the need to defend Boomerang and give a rebuttle after my post. I think you and I share the same opinion.

[Schuyler]

Almost all the action shows, I posted have aired on cartoon network or boomerang. There is alot of 80s HB stuff they could show,but don't. But I am still happy with what we have on boomerang. Also more and more older cartoons are coming out on dvd, so we can watch them over and over.

[SPTO]

Regarding the shows that Time Warner/Turner doesn't own:

Couldn't they just lease the rights for said shows? This is what Turner Classic Movies has done with movies. In fact, all the stuff owned by Turner isn't even owned by TCM anymore they have to lease their own catalog! TCM has also made deals with Columbia to air their movies and a deal with Paramount kicks in sometime next year.

Can't something like this be done with old cartoon shows or is the distribution of Television shows too complicated for that? It may also be too expensive as well but it's a thought.

[jcorey3]

Regarding the shows that Time Warner/Turner doesn't own:

Couldn't they just lease the rights for said shows? This is what Turner Classic Movies has done with movies. In fact, all the stuff owned by Turner isn't even owned by TCM anymore they have to lease their own catalog! TCM has also made deals with Columbia to air their movies and a deal with Paramount kicks in sometime next year.

Can't something like this be done with old cartoon shows or is the distribution of Television shows too complicated for that? It may also be too expensive as well but it's a thought.

TCM does more publicity and outreach to the classic film community. If Boomerang was serious about being seen as a home for Classic cartoons and putting them in context, it would make sense for them to wheel and deal to land the rights to as much animation as possible. But Boomerang is in a strange nether region. Older viewers watch the channel for nostalgia. It gives them a chance to watch the Banana Splits without hearing their mother scream, "Turn that TV off and go outside."

Kids also watch it. And you don't want to burden kids with any "academic" talk. Also you don't want to remind them that they're watching 40 year old cartoons.

[Jeff Harris]

What part of Cartoon was part of Tim and Eric's Awesome Show and Saul of the Mole Men?Well, to be "fair," they're not on Cartoon Network, but Adult Swim. And everybody says that Adult Swim is its own network and not a block on Cartoon Network. Those people are wrong, but, hey, what are you going to do?

Not to mention the running of movies that have nothing to do with animation on Cartoon Network.That's pretty much the attitude and environment created by demographic addicts. They don't want to be a "cartoon network." They want to be Nickelodeon or Disney. But the thing is, well, those channels already exist. They just don't get it.

I'm reading a lot of people mentioning shows like Gobots... does Cartoon Network/Boomerang even have the rights to this? If so, have they ever shown Gobots in the past?No on both questions. Hasbro, the owner of the franchise, owns the Go-Bots series and animated movie as well.

In terms of how to improve Boomerang, I would LOVE to see some Filmation shows join the block, which would really be interesting given how HB and Filmation were competitors once upon a time. But I think the Filmation library could offer a lot to the channel- Archies, Tarzan, Batman ('77), Flash Gordon, Blackstar, Star Trek, not to mention classics He-Man and She-Ra. I'd definitely love to see that.Well, CBS Paramount owns Star Trek, and Hearst owns Flash Gordon, but there's no reason why Entertainment Rights, Filmation's owner, can't make a deal with Boomerang to show programming for the network. After all, Boomerang already has access to other Entertainment Rights/Classic Media properties, including Casper, Rocky and Bullwinkle, Gerald McBoing Boing, George of the Jungle, and Underdog.

I understand people's frustration with CN dumping old shows that they don't air anymore on Boomerang, but if you haven't noticed, CN's old shows are WAYYYYY better than their new crap! Shows like Dexter's Laboratory, Swat Kats, and Duck Dogers aren't "classic" by any means but they are good, solid shows and I'm betting they get ratings because younger audiences relate to newer-looking shows, anyway. So while Boomerang purchases and recycles its old shows to keep them fresh, I'm fine with older Cartoon Network shows paying the bills.There's something wrong with that statement.

Yes, newer-looking shows have an audience on Boomerang. However, they could have a greater audience actually airing on Cartoon Network. They're not paying the bills on Boomerang because Boomerang only gains revenue by having channel space on cable systems (Boomerang doesn't show outside ads which would, you know, make money for a network).

G4 has pretty much turned into Spike Jr, but what part of that is that fact that it is basically 2 channels that couldn't survive providing programming to the videogame generation.I look at G4 the same way I look at Toonami in the UK, with disdain and a sense of "ha-ha!" G4, a video game-oriented network, bought TechTV, a technology-oriented network, for two reasons: channel space and "X-Play." They dropped the tech shows to concentrate more on gaming programming. The TechTV fans didn't stand for that, and they left. Meanwhile, the whole thing about aiming a network towards video gamers is, well, video gamers are mostly playing video games and would rather play them than watch shows about them, so they largely left too. The "geniuses" at G4 decided that since Spike TV stole their video game awards concept, they could steal their network format, so, we're left with a pair of identical networks. Hell, they both showed "Star Trek" spinoffs on their network.

BBC America runs Benny Hill (a Thames production).Well, to be fair, BBC America's premise was to bring British programming to the States, not explicitly BBC programming. That's why you see shows from Thames, Granada, Five, and Channel Four airing on the channel.

Is there a single cable channel that sticks to its niche title anymore? TCM & Boomerang seem to be the only places holding on to its promise.Well, Food Network still shows food-oriented programming. Animal Planet still shows animal-oriented programming. The Science Channel still shows science-oriented programming.

TCM does more publicity and outreach to the classic film community. If Boomerang was serious about being seen as a home for Classic cartoons and putting them in context, it would make sense for them to wheel and deal to land the rights to as much animation as possible. But Boomerang is in a strange nether region. Older viewers watch the channel for nostalgia. It gives them a chance to watch the Banana Splits without hearing their mother scream, "Turn that TV off and go outside."

While it would be nice to have these great non-HB animated shows on the air, it's not like Boomerang will do anything special. It's not like they have a Robert Osbourne to introduce Beany & Cecil or Speed Racer.

Kids also watch it. And you don't want to burden kids with any "academic" talk. Also you don't want to remind them that they're watching 40 year old cartoons.You read my plan (http://www.thexbridge.com/sb02.html)? One of the highlights presented was a move of operations from Atlanta to Los Angeles, where Boomerang could be in an environment where they could connect and interact with the vibrant animation community. It would certainly

I'd present the historical side of animation on one night, and one night only, Sundays, kind of like what Cartoon Network used to do before they became demographic addicts.

And while they currently don't have a "Robert Osbourne" (or, if you want to be current, a "Ben Mankovitz"), Boomerang could easily have someone like that in front of the camera or at least contributing either in a voiceover or with the historical references on a series on the network (Beany and Cecil had one on the episodes of The Bob Clampett Show it was on). Guys like Jerry Beck or Mark Evanier would be grand for either job.

[SPTO]

TCM does more publicity and outreach to the classic film community. If Boomerang was serious about being seen as a home for Classic cartoons and putting them in context, it would make sense for them to wheel and deal to land the rights to as much animation as possible. But Boomerang is in a strange nether region. Older viewers watch the channel for nostalgia. It gives them a chance to watch the Banana Splits without hearing their mother scream, "Turn that TV off and go outside."

Kids also watch it. And you don't want to burden kids with any "academic" talk. Also you don't want to remind them that they're watching 40 year old cartoons.

Well I was mainly talking more about acquisition rather then on air presentation tho I agree with Jeff Harris that Sundays of much older material with some historical context would be a great thing to do.

[Eric B]

Exactly. That's why I don't have an issue with Boomerang airing 90's-00's shows. So CLASSIC live action stuff is out of place on the place for classic CARTOONS, but new CARTOONS aren't out of place? Actually, I would think that the name and theme of the network would allow CLASSIC live action before NEW cartoons. THOSE are what are out of place! The name does not specify cartoons, though I guess it's the logo that does. I wouldn't mind seeing that changed. As was mentioned, it is better than the network that DOES have CARTOON in its name AND slogans hosting live action stuff!
I too wished they could get the Filmation library (TW buy out Entertainment Rights, etc), and all of that stuff could refill BOOM without having to import new stuff that has played out on CN. They should just reopen cartoon blocks on TBS and TNT for that stuff.

[Darth_Zilla]

The biggest then is get it in more homes.Also have an rotating schedule so it keeps things fresh.I would also pick up as many shows as possible to also keep things fresh.I know this will be controversial but put some classic anime on it.Which ties into my next point is they should have an action block everyday simliar to toonami.Which they could show classic anime shows as well as classic american shows.For example you could have dbz gundam,transformers,thundercats,justice league and ninja turtles the 80's verison.So those shows could generate ratings.You want boomerang to be a place for all type of animations fans.In fact i would have doccumentrys maybe about a show or movie.you could do one about btas.Also i would space coast to coast at midnights.