Well, more live action on the way.......

[John Dorian]

A one hour Props special is coming Sept. 1st on CN.




For the people that don't know yet.

[Darklordavaitor]

One... HOUR? Something tells me this is going to go very, very, very wrong.

[Don_East]

Great, now they're ripping off Nick.

Best case scenerio, this fails miserably and CN will rethink their strategy.

[veemonjosh]

It's on Toonami.

So, yeah...

[Movie06]

Don't care, I've always expected live action to air on CN since 2005.

[Blackstar]

Don't care, I've always expected live action to air on CN since 2005.

Of course you don't. If it were left up to you, CN would have to change it's name to Anything Network. :D

[livingfruitvirus]

Plus Son of the Mask is airing this Friday.

And let's not forget Goosebumps.

[Draft]

Plus Son of the Mask is airing this Friday.

And let's not forget Goosebumps.

Son of the Mask!?!?!?!

I love that movie!!

[Silverstar]

Well, they already aired the original Mask, so showing Son isn't going to do much more harm.

At this rate, CN will have to change its' name to OCN: Occasional Cartoon Network.

[Movie06]

Son of the Mask? Jesus, that movie sucks.

[SkullsandRoses]

Well, they already aired the original Mask, so showing Son isn't going to do much more harm.

At this rate, CN will have to change its' name to OCN: Occasional Cartoon Network.

Good name, I like that one! Though I have to admit, I'm more partial to "Cartoon Nothing". :D

And they're going to show Son of the Mask? Crap, it just keeps getting worse for this station.

[John Dorian]

This, so-called "little live-action-experiment-thing" has turned into a extravaganza, in a sadly bad way. CN (No, I won't type Cartoon Network, because of this), is doomed if they keep doing this.



Reminds me of many months ago when I was just scrolling around TZ, I heard nothing but rants on CN, even some member even made a bet that Live Action will take over CN for the worse, and a banned member posted a thread having a bad song about CN sucking bad, and rating on stuff that's not even here on CN yet. I have one question, will CN end in two years? I have small hope for CN, now.

[Movie06]

This, so-called "little live-action-experiment-thing" has turned into a extravaganza, in a sadly bad way. CN (No, I won't type Cartoon Network, because of this), is doomed if they keep doing this.



Reminds me of many months ago when I was just scrolling around TZ, I heard nothing but rants on CN, even some member even made a bet that Live Action will take over CN for the worse, and a banned member posted a thread having a bad song about CN sucking bad, and rating on stuff that's not even here on CN yet. I have one question, will CN end in two years? I have small hope for CN, now.

CN won't die. Just because live action is airing on that paticular network doesn't mean it'll be gone. CN still has its mascots like Naruto.

[J'onn J'onzz]

Cartoon Network should officially change its name to "CN". Sort of like how International Film Channel essentially changed theirs to "IFC"

[Game Freak 4]

What happen to you, Cartoon Network? You let Nickelodeon and Disney Channel plague your mind.

[Movie06]

What happen to you, Cartoon Network? You let Nickelodeon and Disney Channel plague your mind.

It's compeition, it's kind of like "When in rome, do what the romans do" but I suppose CN is doing it the wrong way.

[Antiyonder]

Well, they already aired the original Mask, so showing Son isn't going to do much more harm.

This is what I was talking about in terms of drawing more viewers into the animation that they are missing. That of course would be to air some episodes of the Mask cartoon (And for the record, the network isn't entirely opposed to reruns). There's also:

Ace Ventura (Heck, air the Ace Ventura/Mask crossover along with their respective movies)
Jumanji

- Maybe try the Beetlejuice movie and cartoon.
- Air Batman Returns and follow it up with The Batman.

They don't even have to be permanent additions, just a temporary marathon. Just that airing a cartoon tying into a movie could help get more viewers/ratings for the cartoon aspects of the network.

Plus, they could go on the opposite end and air some movies adapted from a cartoon:

Garfield
Scooby Doo & Scooby Doo 2
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 1-3 (Heck, they compliment the recent series more than the 80s cartoon)

They could easily try this to promote cartoons through live action movies, but obviously don't because the ratings are more of an excuse for the live action not the reason.

[Kitschensyngk]

Watch A One-Hour PROPS Special September 1st
only on the Generic Kids' Channel Formerly Known as Cartoon Network.

[Dr.Pepper]

Why does this not surprise me? I remeber back to the good old days when CN was for cartoons and not live action stupid movies.

[danreyes1]

Props? PROPS? Those "children who are better than you" 30 second commercials? For an hour?

Gods what the hell.

[Movie06]

You know, I' am getting sick and tired of everyone complaining about and overeacting to live action stuff airing on CN. No offense but deal with it, it was CN's choice and they're going with it.

Sorry, had to get that out of my system, I've been meaning to say that since 2005.

[Antiyonder]

Props? PROPS? Those "children who are better than you" 30 second commercials?

Pretty ironic isn't it. People will complain about controversial programs that isn't intended to offend viewers, yet the programs and commercials that do seek to offend viewers get nothing but praise. Stupid Age indeed.

You know, I' am getting sick and tired of everyone complaining about and overeacting to live action stuff airing on CN. No offense but deal with it, it was CN's choice and they're going with it.

It's because the lack of ratings on their cartoons isn't necessarily the cartoons themselves, but their lack of effort. The problem is that they always assume the product is bad, not their handling of said product.

Live action programs don't require much effort to achieve success hence they are taking the easy way out and easy isn't always better. Besides, I already stated in my previous post that they could use their live action movies/shows to draw in more cartoon viewers. They choose not to because taking the easy way out.

To put it simple, the complaints are more about the network execs choosing shortcuts over hardwork.

[Movie06]

Understood but I' am getting sick and tired of all the complaining, enough I get it; live action airing on CN boo-freakin-hoo. It's just how I feel that's all.

[danreyes1]

You know, I' am getting sick and tired of everyone complaining about and overeacting to live action stuff airing on CN. No offense but deal with it, it was CN's choice and they're going with it.

No.

Pretty ironic isn't it. People will complain about controversial programs that isn't intended to offend viewers, yet the programs and commercials that do seek to offend viewers get nothing but praise. Stupid Age indeed.

Never said I was offended by it. I really don't mind these commercials by themselves. But an hour of them is just ridiculous. What's next, Disney Channel's "Mike's Super Short Show" gets a two hour special?

I watch Cartoon Network for cartoons. Lots of people do. Why the higher ups think we go there for anything real is beyond me.

[Antiyonder]

Never said I was offended by it. I really don't mind these commercials by themselves. But an hour of them is just ridiculous. What's next, Disney Channel's "Mike's Super Short Show" gets a two hour special?

I wasn't refering to you, just the people who do file complaints against the network. The commerical you brought up is deliberately looking to be offensive (kids who are better than you), yet no one raises a stink to the network about it. Whereas they would complain about a religious symbol in Tenchi (Star of David) even if the intent for offensiveness is absent.

Understood but I' am getting sick and tired of all the complaining, enough I get it; live action airing on CN boo-freakin-hoo. It's just how I feel that's all.

Except that you're complaining about something yourself. you guys are complaining about Cartoon Network boo-freakin-hoo.

[Movie06]

Except that you're complaining about something yourself. you guys are complaining about Cartoon Network boo-freakin-hoo.

It's just that these people with their complaining have been getting on my nerves since day one when CN started airing live action stuff on their own network, I kept it to myself because I didn't want to be rude but this thread was the last straw.

No.

Your loss.

[limel]

What's next, Disney Channel's "Mike's Super Short Show" gets a two hour special?

IIRC, Disney made a half-hour finale, but never aired it.

[danreyes1]

It's just that these people with their complaining have been getting on my nerves since day one when CN started airing live action stuff on their own network, I kept it to myself because I didn't want to be rude but this thread was the last straw.



Your loss.

Yes, it is a loss. As I have said elsewhere, because of CN's Live-Action lust, I have experienced a time where the was not a single cartoon on TV at all. On 75 channels, there wasn't a single bit of animation. If you don't understand why this makes me and other people upset, I don't know why you are on an animation-appreciation forum.

You are, of course, allowed your opinion, but so are the rest of us. As long as CN goes against its mission statement, we'll continue to complain. If that means we go until the network goes down in flames, so be it.

[Antiyonder]

It's just that these people with their complaining have been getting on my nerves since day one when CN started airing live action stuff on their own network, I kept it to myself because I didn't want to be rude but this thread was the last straw.

Understable, but so are the complaints. If a network for cartoons was really a ratings failure then, the network would have either had a facelift sooner or simply been shutdown.

The reason it worked before was due to the previous execs putting more effort in the network. There would be mistakes among them sure, but they at least tried. The current execs are of the opinion that instant success should come without effort and hard work (hence why they're trying live action). That's where the complaints mainly lie.

[Pomegranate]

I feel like CN's lust for live-action is gonna be pretty inevitable, because they probably feel like they need to capitalize on the success of HSM2 in order to get ratings. I really wish they would find a way to pry Skyland from Nick's/Viacom's venomous grasp instead of going on this "we must air live-action or we'll be outta business very soon" kick for ratings, because that show looks promising and Nick/Viacom always treats acquisitions like pure garbage nowadays:shrug: .

[Blackstar]

You know, I' am getting sick and tired of everyone complaining about and overeacting to live action stuff airing on CN. No offense but deal with it, it was CN's choice and they're going with it.

Sorry, had to get that out of my system, I've been meaning to say that since 2005.

Hey, I'm getting sick of your "Hey, let's turn CN into a B-movie channel! To heck with cartoons!" attitude, but you don't hear me complaining about that. I don't know why you're here, quite frankly, but the rest of us are here because we love animation.

This is a public forum, chum. The whole purpose of boards like this is the expression of fans opinions and the exchanges of different ideas. If the complaints bug you so much, just don't read them instead of complaining about the complaints. Personally, I'd rather hear from concerned viewers than from people like you, who choose to just sit on their duffs and accept CN's dropping in quality, as if CARTOON Network's becoming less animated by the year is not a big deal. Just because you don't give a crud about animation, don't assume the same of everyone else. You may want to see CN become TNT Too, but some people don't, and while their opinions may be different than your own, but are just as valid as yours are. Deal with that.

To everyone else, things move in cycles. Eventually, CN will tire of this experimentation crap and return to what the station was founded for in the 1st place: CARTOONS.

[Anthony C.]

You know, it has gotten to a point in which I think that Time Warner should just change the name of Cartoon Network to Warner Kids Network or Turner Kids, or Kid-O-Suck-a-Rama TV. We all know that they aren't committed to the original cartoon network philosophy, and they so want to compete with the Nickelodeon's of the world (despite the fact that the audience that the original regime had created was built just as much with adults and teenagers as well as children), so why not do the honest thing and change the name of the network? It will bring the ire and anger down from the loyal CN fans, but at least they would finally end this sad farce. I mean we all KNEW that Cartoon Nothing was headed in the Live-Action direction when they aired the original Batman movie back in November of 2005 (I want to hear from the people who said that this was just a one time experiment and not a long term plan), so it would just be a culmination of the obvious.

It's sad though because so many people have given up hope. I've given up total hope that the Cartoon Network of the past is going to return anytime soon (it will probably return in the form of the internet). I mean it got to a point in which Jeff Harris (the biggest supporter of both CN and Toonami) bascially threw in the towel and gave up the fight. I was also lying in which I said I don't get mad anymore about Cartoon Network's inept management, I just don't watch the network anymore (except for parts of the Naruto marathon and some Adult Swim). It has gotten to a point in which I have as much anger at towards CN as I do for President Bush and the UN (for not going into Darfur).

Personally, I think that the soon to be Time Warner Kids is screwed. They totally ruined the network and they don't have a plan to even come close to raising ratings. They've ruined their legacy and fanbase and they'll always play the whipping boy to Nick. This is so much like what happened to WCW it is shameful. If Cartoon Network ever goes on sale, If I were running Viacom I wouldn't pay Time Warner more than $1 and the rights to the library in exchange for Cartoon Network (hopefully wrestling fans will know what I'm referencing).

[Movie06]

Hey, I'm getting sick of your "Hey, let's turn CN into a B-movie channel! To heck with cartoons!" attitude, but you don't hear me complaining about that. I don't know why you're here, quite frankly, but the rest of us are here because we love animation.

This is a public forum, chum. The whole purpose of boards like this is the expression of fans opinions and the exchanges of different ideas. If the complaints bug you so much, just don't read them instead of complaining about the complaints. Personally, I'd rather hear from concerned viewers than from people like you, who choose to just sit on their duffs and accept CN's dropping in quality, as if CARTOON Network's becoming less animated by the year is not a big deal. Just because you don't give a crud about animation, don't assume the same of everyone else. You may want to see CN become TNT Too, but some people don't, and while their opinions may be different than your own, but are just as valid as yours are. Deal with that.

To everyone else, things move in cycles. Eventually, CN will tire of this experimentation crap and return to what the station was founded for in the 1st place: CARTOONS.

First I hate to be rude, but I don't hate cartoons get it? I understand people complaining about the changes CN is making but it's just that I don't understand why people are repeating the same complaints over and over, it's like listening to a broken record.

[Blackstar]

First I hate to be rude, but I don't hate cartoons get it? I understand people complaining about the changes CN is making but it's just that I don't understand why people are repeating the same complaints over and over, it's like listening to a broken record.

And let me once again point out that these people have a valid argument and have every right to complain as much as they choose to with their posts, and furthermore, no one is forcing you to read any of them. If you're tired of hearing people complain about live action on CN, the door's right over there.

It's not as if there's a dwindling market for basic cable live action movie channels, as there are literally dozens of them. So there's no reason whatsoever for CN to become one.

If Crap Network wants to ruin themselves by going the route of G4 (aka, G4SpikeTV), that's their problem, but if the execs think that their once loyal viewers are going to stand idly by as they down in flames, they've got another think coming. They will show their dissatisfaction by no longer watching their channel, and by not paying any extra money in order to receive the channel.

[dmxx116]

And let me once again point that these people have a valid argument and have every right to complain as much as they choose to with their posts, and no one is forcing you to read any of them. If you're tired of hearing people complain about live action on CN, the door's right over there.

It's not as if there's a dwindling market for basic cable live action movie channels, as there are literally dozens of them. So there's no reason whatsoever for CN to become one.

If Crap Network wants to ruin themselves by going the route of G4 (aka, G4SpikeTV), that's their problem, but if the execs think that their once loyal viewers are going to stand idly by as they down in flames, they've got another think coming. They will show their dissatisfaction by no longer watching their channel, and by not paying any extra money in order to receive the channel.
You right about that blackstar.

[Red]

Since this is apparently a Toonami show, I'm going to piss off the Toonami Mods and let them deal with this thread! :)

[Movie06]

And let me once again point that these people have a valid argument and have every right to complain as much as they choose to with their posts, and no one is forcing you to read any of them. If you're tired of hearing people complain about live action on CN, the door's right over there.

It's not as if there's a dwindling market for basic cable live action movie channels, as there are literally dozens of them. So there's no reason whatsoever for CN to become one.

If Crap Network wants to ruin themselves by going the route of G4 (aka, G4SpikeTV), that's their problem, but if the execs think that their once loyal viewers are going to stand idly by as they down in flames, they've got another think coming. They will show their dissatisfaction by no longer watching their channel, and by not paying any extra money in order to receive the channel.

Ok, you make a point but to let you know, I don't hate cartoons ok? Can we please have peace between us ok?

[Master Moltar]

Since this is apparently a Toonami show, I'm going to piss off the Toonami Mods and let them deal with this thread! :)

It has several airings off of Toonami as well though.

[Silverstar]

My 2 cents:

It's become painfully obvious that CN (I refuse to call it Cartoon Network anymore, as the name is hardly befitting the channel right now) has lost their way. They are simply trying to compete with Nick and Disney, and the ratings of the latter 2 channels don't lie: Disney and Nick are both successful right now, so while I don't agree with what CN is doing, I can at least understand why they are heading in this direction.

Here are the sad facts:
CN is run by accountants and admen, and as long as that's the case, we can expect the live-action, wannabe Nick crapola to continue before it stops. They've had 2 years to come to their collective senses, and if they haven't gotten it by now, they're not going to anytime in the foreseeable future.
Live-action is easier to produce than animation, and it's far easier to just acquire and recycle 10-year-old movies from the TBS/TNT vaults than it is to conceive new and innovative animated programs. Why should CN bother to come up with any decent cartoon shows when the kids the network is aimed at are willing to sit through a bunch of cable movies and stock footage of children running into each another like they're on a perpetual sugar high?
Time-Warner has always treated the Turner properties like red-headed stepchildren, so the way they've been turning their collective noses up at CN as of late should hardly be a surprise to anyone.If CN wants to continue in this vein and just try to be the needy, attention hungry younger sibling to Disney Channel and Nick, then that's their business. They own the network, they can do whatever they want with it. But the least they can do is change the name. It's not right to call it Cartoon Network anymore when the suits have made it crystal clear that cartoons are merely an afterthought to them.

Just like when G4 devoured TechTV just to get their talons on X-Play, and then proceeded to dine on themselves by killing the video game/tech programming in favor of wannabe Spike TV garbage that's supposed to appeal exclusively to horny teenage boys, I was appalled when it first happened, but now have come to accept that this is just the way it is now. The Cartoon Network that we knew and remembered fondly is just a memory. Instead of hoping for these corporate stiffs to regain their senses and revert to their old ways, perhaps it's time that we look ahead.

If there's some mogul out there who's just as outraged as we are about this, and he/she has about 2 or 3 million dollars in mad money to spend, maybe we can expect a new animation channel down the line, and hopefully they won't lose their way like CN did. I hold on to the hope the same thing will happen with TechTV; that someone else will fill the need and create a new tech channel. I know for a fact that there's a niche market for both channels that's currently going unsatiated. Long shot? Perhaps, but I don't see this era of CN coming to a close anytime soon, especially since there has yet to be a reported dip in the channel's ratings. The real way to get Cartoon Network back is to show your disgust with your numbers and dollars. Stop watching the channel and buying the products. I barely watch CN or G4 now, and those who have had enough I would suggest follow that example. $$$$$$$$$$$$ is the only thing execs understand; cut off their money supply and show them that they can't make a profit off of this new CN, and they'll back off. The way to hurt the suits is by nipping them in the vicinity of the wallet.

[Blackstar]

Ok, you make a point but to let you know, I don't hate cartoons ok? Can we please have peace between us ok?

Yes, let's have peace. I overdid it a tad, I'll admit to that.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

The quandary is the Toonami team is to a great extent culpable for this circumstance as is The Network. Those behind Toonami have lost so much of their vertebrae it gives me something to chortle at, and I don’t yearn for the opportunity to chortle at them, I don’t. I want to root them on. The Network is acting like a stupid junior high kid, wishing to be like everybody else ‘because it’s the fashionable thing to do. It’s just heartbreaking.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

My 2 cents:

It's become painfully obvious that CN (I refuse to call it Cartoon Network anymore, as the name is hardly befitting the channel right now) has lost their way. They are simply trying to compete with Nick and Disney, and the ratings of the latter 2 channels don't lie: Disney and Nick are both successful right now, so while I don't agree with what CN is doing, I can at least understand why they are heading in this direction.

Here are the sad facts:
CN is run by accountants and admen, and as long as that's the case, we can expect the live-action, wannabe Nick crapola to continue before it stops. They've had 2 years to come to their collective senses, and if they haven't gotten it by now, they're not going to anytime in the foreseeable future.
Live-action is easier to produce than animation, and it's far easier to just acquire and recycle 10-year-old movies from the TBS/TNT vaults than it is to conceive new and innovative animated programs. Why should CN bother to come up with any decent cartoon shows when the kids the network is aimed at are willing to sit through a bunch of cable movies and stock footage of children running into each another like they're on a perpetual sugar high?
Time-Warner has always treated the Turner properties like red-headed stepchildren, so the way they've been turning their collective noses up at CN as of late should hardly be a surprise to anyone.If CN wants to continue in this vein and just try to be the needy, attention hungry younger sibling to Disney Channel and Nick, then that's their business. They own the network, they can do whatever they want with it. But the least they can do is change the name. It's not right to call it Cartoon Network anymore when the suits have made it crystal clear that cartoons are merely an afterthought to them.

Just like when G4 devoured TechTV just to get their talons on X-Play, and then proceeded to dine on themselves by killing the video game/tech programming in favor of wannabe Spike TV garbage that's supposed to appeal exclusively to horny teenage boys, I was appalled when it first happened, but now have come to accept that this is just the way it is now. The Cartoon Network that we knew and remembered fondly is just a memory. Instead of hoping for these corporate stiffs to regain their senses and revert to their old ways, perhaps it's time that we look ahead.

If there's some mogul out there who's just as outraged as we are about this, and he/she has about 2 or 3 million dollars in mad money to spend, maybe we can expect a new animation channel down the line, and hopefully they won't lose their way like CN did. I hold on to the hope the same thing will happen with TechTV; that someone else will fill the need and create a new tech channel. I know for a fact that there's a niche market for both channels that's currently going unsatiated. Long shot? Perhaps, but I don't see this era of CN coming to a close anytime soon, especially since there has yet to be a reported dip in the channel's ratings. The real way to get Cartoon Network back is to show your disgust with your numbers and dollars. Stop watching the channel and buying the products. I barely watch CN or G4 now, and those who have had enough I would suggest follow that example. $$$$$$$$$$$$ is the only thing execs understand; cut off their money supply and show them that they can't make a profit off of this new CN, and they'll back off. The way to hurt the suits is by nipping them in the vicinity of the wallet.

I shall be the first to declare that in this murky epoch all I have the proclivity to watch on The Network is Naruto, Bo^7, and suchlike is on CN’s Flavor of the Week Toonami that pleases me, including Ben 10 (and those accursed fools that have bamboozled me into examining Diamond and Pearl).

[danreyes1]

To everyone else, things move in cycles. Eventually, CN will tire of this experimentation crap and return to what the station was founded for in the 1st place: CARTOONS.

Here's hoping.

[Emperor Fred]

The real way to get Cartoon Network back is to show your disgust with your numbers and dollars. Stop watching the channel and buying the products.I usually agree with this line of thinking, but in this case, I have two problems with that:

I'd love to send a message to CN anyway I can, but I'll be darned if I'm not going to buy the latest DVD releases of Samurai Jack and The Powerpuff Girls. I would almost think that strong sales of "old-school" titles like these would have a positive effect on the network.

And as for myself, I already never watch CN anymore. But the ratings, as we all know, only track kids 6-11 (or whatever it is). The fact is that (for most of us) CN doesn't give a hoot whether we watch or not. What you have to do is get your kids to stop watching the channel until they get their act back together.

...Show them some Samurai Jack and Powerpuff Girls DVDs instead. :D

[FightingDreamer]

Here's the problem: CN needs to make more of an effort on their animated shows instead of foisting all this bad live-action stuff on us. There's nothing wrong with wanting to get more ratings, especially when you're getting beat by the likes of Drake and Josh or High School Musical, but there needs to be some sort of effort.

Nearly all of their in-house shows are terrible, and the only things keeping me watching are Toonami and the occasional Grim Adventures or Ben 10 rerun. I'm fine with live-action if it's based on a comic book character (Spider-Man, Batman) or has to do with cartoons (Who Framed Roger Rabbit, which is great to begin with). But Snow Day? Dumb and Dumber? What in the world are they thinking? And this Props thing is just stupid; I could maybe, maybe be OK with a 30 minute special, but an hour?

[Jeff Harris]

It's just that these people with their complaining have been getting on my nerves since day one when CN started airing live action stuff on their own network, I kept it to myself because I didn't want to be rude but this thread was the last straw.I tried to keep out of this because it's been on record how I feel about The Network's current (lack of) direction. And I try to keep an "of, for, and by the people" attitude about the board because I believe in the thing called freedom of speech.

However, I'm not a fan of trolls which you've seem to become.

You came to the Toon Zone forums that are full of cartoon fans that talk about cartoons and the outlets that talk about cartoons. You knew right off the bat that the majority of readers and posters here are, undeniably pro-animation. They have every right to complain, especially when a Cartoon Network tends to move in a direction that adds more live-action productions. You're part of the small minority that feels, hey, that's okay, and I have no problem with your opinion. Of course, you may feel that it's okay if ESPN aired nature documentaries, Sci-Fi Channel aired Olympic trials, or Comedy Central airs Schindler's List, since they all are deviations.

You've basically whined and complained about the people, um, whining and complaining about the addition of more live-action to the network, proving that you're no better than the whiners you're complaining about.

Of course, you could always leave. Complainers will always be in these parts.

[Dark Soul]

I also saw a commercial tha tlooked like they are making Ben10 into reality garbage if I'm not mistaken. I watch cartoon network just for cartoons not some d listed live action bull crap. If i wanted that I could go back to Disney or Nick.

I watch cartoon network because I despise the other 2 stations. Cartoon Network stayed to its traditional values up until now. Shortcuts don't win only cause more pain and frustration. Now cartoon network is becoming another rehash of left over garbage over the other 2 stations. Give me a toonami channel or even an anime channel because I'm sick of what cartoon network is doing to themselves. And to be honest I am not liking some of the new generation cartoons that are trying to replace the old era such ed edd and eddy and so on.

I pray this attempt fails and cartoon network realizes its false aspiraitions
And props kids is another rip off of Nick gas lol or something like that. Wow kids that are better then me than rub it in my face is more of the vibe I get if I were a 10 yr old but I am not. But its what I would feel though not everyone is gifted.

[Silverstar]

I'm fine with live-action if it's based on a comic book character (Spider-Man, Batman) or has to do with cartoons (Who Framed Roger Rabbit, which is great to begin with). But Snow Day? Dumb and Dumber? What in the world are they thinking?

Precisely. If CN wants to expand its' horizons by airing the odd live-action movie or TV show now and again, then I'm cool with that-PROVIDED that said live-action shows/movies pertain to animation or at least feature animation in them.

Spider-Man, Batman, Superman-those are fine to air on CN, since they are based off comic book characters who have also been portrayed as animated characters.

Shrek-all CGI-animated feature. Makes sense.

Roger Rabbit-it's about cartoons and features animation. Acceptable.

The Mask-based on a comic and has animated cartoony effects. Suitable.

Even Out of Jimmy's Head is acceptable fare, since it's about a cartoonist's brain and his cartoon creations and features cartoon characters and effects in it.

But what the flake do Dumb and Dumber, Honey, I Shrunk the Kids,The School of Rock and The Goonies have to do with cartoons? I mean, why not show monster truck racing on Sprout or reruns of Designing Women on ESPN 2 while we're at it?

[Xerroo]

Before you know it we'll be seeing stuff like CSI: Maimi and sports events on CN.

Might as well call it the Turner Network.

[Dark Soul]

Its sad to see what is happening and all we can do is hope that they have any conscience what so ever or any care about what us pro animation feel. But in likely hood all they care about is money and power which they have none of :p. The only way we can get through to these coperate windbags is to boycott.

The only thing I turn my TV on to from now on is Naruto and AS because in itself they are separate from the CN mainstream. And by doing that we might be able to get through. All we can do is hope and pray that they dont suceed in this d listed live action farce. I think I have poured out my hatred for now....

[Anthony C.]

Its sad to see what is happening and all we can do is hope that they have any conscience what so ever or any care about what us pro animation feel. But in likely hood all they care about is money and power which they have none of :p. The only way we can get through to these coperate windbags is to boycott.

The only thing I turn my TV on to from now on is Naruto and AS because in itself they are separate from the CN mainstream. And by doing that we might be able to get through. All we can do is hope and pray that they dont suceed in this d listed live action farce. I think I have poured out my hatred for now....

The only thing I'm hoping for right now is somebody come in from outside of TW's power structure, appreciate animation like the old regime seemed to do, have some kind of vision and fire the people in charge of CN's executives and reclaim the CN's former prominence. I'm hoping and praying.

[Dark Soul]

Yes I do agree but we haven't heard a peep or rumors from anyone that there will a new animation network in production. If we rely on that it might take awhile before anything gets done.

For now we stick with what we can do with what we have. Its our only legit option at this point in time cause it doesn't seem anyone will dethrone CN.

[Antiyonder]

Precisely. If CN wants to expand its' horizons by airing the odd live-action movie or TV show now and again, then I'm cool with that-PROVIDED that said live-action shows/movies pertain to animation or at least feature animation in them.

Spider-Man, Batman, Superman-those are fine to air on CN, since they are based off comic book characters who have also been portrayed as animated characters.

Shrek-all CGI-animated feature. Makes sense.

Roger Rabbit-it's about cartoons and features animation. Acceptable.

The Mask-based on a comic and has animated cartoony effects. Suitable.

Even Out of Jimmy's Head is acceptable fare, since it's about a cartoonist's brain and his cartoon creations and features cartoon characters and effects in it.

Then what would your view on Kamen Rider and Power Rangers on their respective networks? I myself feel that while they are live action, they have the same appeal to animation fans that you describe.

Shrek isn't even up for debates as it is unquestionably animation (CGI albiet).

[TyUnlimited]

Well,apparintly,names mean nothing to networks anymore.I really was hoping that CN could turn around but,if this continues......the network'll die by the time Pokemon leaves......As for Toonami........I don't know either.It seems the block is barely alive,with Naruto holding it up,and If One Piece and some other show doesn't succeed,by the time Naruto ends,so will Toonami.

Heck,I wouldn't be surprised if CN pulled the 7 block,giving Toonami 8-11.

[FightingDreamer]

Then what would your view on Kamen Rider and Power Rangers on their respective networks? I myself feel that while they are live action, they have the same appeal to animation fans that you describe.

Those would fit; both are silly enough that they fall under the "live-action cartoon" label anyway. And that's fine. What's not is the aforementioned D and D, Snow Day, or School of Rock (which I've heard is good, but that's not the point). Those have nothing whatsoever to do with cartoons, or have a cartoony feel (well, maybe Dumb and Dumber).

[CartoonSage]

Y'know, I wasn't sure if I should start a new thread or just post this on the MANY "Cartoon Network is going down the wrong path" threads, but I was poking around John Kricfalusi's blog and I found this: http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=22406604&postID=116968659668498683 (to find the post I was talking about just copy and past: "I pitched to cartoon network " on the "find on this page" feature in your browser and you'll see what I'm talking about.

[Rabi~en~Rose]

wait this is going to be on Toonami now :confused:

I'm beginning to think CN doesn't like Toonami much at all I mean those Props ads are called CN Props not Toonami props so why should this air on Toonami :confused: and just the other days was it a Toonami Naruto marathon on? no it was a CN one :mad: they take from Toonami but what they give back is nothing good at all :(

[Raidon Makoto]

Props? WTF?

Props sucks big monkey butt. They air it on Toonami to fill up time, and I don't give a crap about the kids they feature. I am totally not going to watch this, and I'm more than positive no one else is going to watch it either, because no one likes other people flaunting their superiority to you... Except when I do it. Then its good.

[Linkpre]

Why does everyone feel like these kids are just showing off their talents to make people feel low? When I saw these things like Props when I was little, I didn't feel jealously, I thought it was cool that this kids were doing cool stuff like kart racing and stuff.

[D Dubbs]

Why does everyone feel like these kids are just showing off their talents to make people feel low? When I saw these things like Props when I was little, I didn't feel jealously, I thought it was cool that this kids were doing cool stuff like kart racing and stuff.

Yeah, that's how I feel. I don't really approve of this taking up Toonami space...but some of those kids do neat things (save for that horrible kid who does stand-up comedy).

[TheAnimeBoy16]

I bet the special is just a collage of extended versions of the commercials. All of this is, IMO, a way to get the obesity epidemic people off their back and a way to tell kids to get outside and do somethin' and to make kids feel like they're inferior. I believe that we should've saw all of these events coming when the revamp of 2005 happened. Because the "CARTOON NETWORK" checkerboard is now just the C and the N from that checkerboard with Cartoon Network is small. barely readable letters on the bottom. I also want them to change it to CN, and to add exmaple to that IFC example said earlier is Game Show Network. It changed to GSN because it started airing a few reality shows and other non-game show material. So, Cartoon Network should just keep the C and N checkboard letters as the logo but take out the bold all-white letters at the bottom and possibly add a TV and just ID itself as CN or CN-TV(i.e. "Only on CN", "Only Toonami, on CN", "CNs first live-action movie", "This is CN-TV", etc.). I swear, I wouldn't be surprised if things get worse past everything coming up (OOJH, GB, THH, B10LA, etc.). Television today is becoming WAY too unbearable. I've got 3 of my favorite networks leaving it's original purpose (CN, The Weather Channel, TV Guide Network), and it's really becoming hard to handle and VERY annoying.

EDIT: Oh man, they're airing one of those "sequel to a Jim Carrey movie w/o the Jim Carrey" movies? Man, I HATE the fact that these projects are even happenin'. These projects don't do better than the original. *Sigh* I HATE Hollywood today since this is the "prequel, sequel, and adaptation era" of movies since NOBODY can think of something ORIGINAL and make it click!!!!! Will anybody ever learn?

[Yash]

Jeez, a Props SPECIAL? It's bad enough having 2-3 minute interstitials ><

Son of the Mask!?!?!?!

I love that movie!!
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/Yashouzoid/facepalm.jpg

[Ishtar]

Do they really need to give Props a one hour special, on Toonami?

[veemonjosh]

Do they really need to give Props a one hour special, on Toonami?

I think, by now, CN just likes to piss off people at random.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Gee, everyone in this world has a special gift, it doesn't mean we should waste time showing off.


I don't go around saying I'm an über-talented storyteller, do I?

[Antiyonder]

Why does everyone feel like these kids are just showing off their talents to make people feel low? When I saw these things like Props when I was little, I didn't feel jealously, I thought it was cool that this kids were doing cool stuff like kart racing and stuff.

The part about "Kids that are better than you", says it all.

Besides, we're all better than someone at something, but no one is 100% better than another person.

[Linkpre]

Gee, everyone in this world has a special gift, it doesn't mean we should waste time showing off.


I don't go around saying I'm an über-talented storyteller, do I?
Come on man, I don't really think these kids are showing off. Their just telling people about what they like to do. It's not like they have a mean additude about it and saying "I'm Better Than YOU!".

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Come on man, I don't really think these kids are showing off. Their just telling people about what they like to do. It's not like they have a mean additude about it and saying "I'm Better Than YOU!".

Well, the kids might not but CN certainly seems like they're trying to put them on a pedestle.

[TheAnimeBoy16]

Gee, everyone in this world has a special gift, it doesn't mean we should waste time showing off.


I don't go around saying I'm an über-talented storyteller, do I?

:lol: Well said my friend, well said.

[Dark Soul]

I really don't like show offs either even though the kids might not look it but CN seems to put it through our mind face it these kids are better than you like Yugi said.

Besides its their 5 mins of fame then they are nothing. Its just that just because someone is better than you at something doesn't make them a better person nor superior for that matter. Not everyone is made to play sports or the guitar everyone is different with diffrent talents and capablities. Theres no need to single out anybody after all we are all unique.

[bigddan11]

I remember when they announced Props that a special would air at the end of summer. I had no idea it would be on Toonami though. I seem to recall that press release saying they would take the top four or five Props kids and make an extended special on them. I would assume that means they'll focus more on their basketball, skateboarding, and whatever else they have for them, so it could be worse than it will be.

[John Dorian]

After the Props special, catch it again on Sept 2nd. at 8PM and 6PM.

It's their first reality venture into television. Another strike on CN.



Now, virtually, all the channels I loved now have reality crap. What a disgrace.

[Draft]

I Love Son of the Mask
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/Yashouzoid/facepalm.jpg

Look, it's not the best movie, i agree, but it was pretty good imo(Obviously not as good as the first) and i haven't seen it since it was in theateres and i was still in Elementary skool or somethin like that, so i lied it, boo hoo big whoop wanan fight about it..

But ya, Props doesn't deserve Toonami, it should be on Fried Dynomite followed by Out of Jimmy's Head!

[Silverstar]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Antiyonder http://forums.toonzone.net/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?p=2624536#post2624536)
Then what would your view on Kamen Rider and Power Rangers on their respective networks? I myself feel that while they are live action, they have the same appeal to animation fans that you describe.

Those would fit; both are silly enough that they fall under the "live-action cartoon" label anyway. And that's fine. What's not is the aforementioned D and D, Snow Day, or School of Rock (which I've heard is good, but that's not the point). Those have nothing whatsoever to do with cartoons, or have a cartoony feel (well, maybe Dumb and Dumber).

You beat me to it! :p That's what I was going to say. Same deal with Pee-Wee's Playhouse. It didn't really belong on [adult swim], IMO, but it would've fit on CN; there was enough absurdity and cartoony characters on PWP for it to qualify as a 'live-action cartoon', plus PWP had animation and animated segments regularly featured in it.

(BTW, I'm guessing that by Kamen Rider you're referring to Saban's dub of the show, Masked Rider. From what I've heard, Kamen Rider was a pretty intense, dramatic show.)

[Knighthammer]

Ok, enter hammer on this topic. I've been putting this off since AT LEAST Friday due to wanting to give this topic my fullest attention; now I'm just frankly pissed over it and HAVE to say something.

What part of "Cartoon" implies in ANY way, shape or form "Reality" or "Live Action". Unless Cartoon Network, Turner or William Streets is petitioning to change the definition or the name of the network, they have *NO RIGHT* to pull this crap. Even if they were, their culpability on the topic is slip at BEST.

The state of Toonami and more over the channel has gone DOWN HILL since 2003 and they just can't get through their heads that its *NOT* the shows that have failed, it's their uneducated methodology of marketing them that has sucked.

Why do I say "uneducated" you be may asking yourself? Because up until their little miniature test marketing endevours showing Live Action movies, they've been working under assumptions based failed attempts that lacked effort. Everyone who has heard me rant SOMETIME in the past has heard me cite Yuyu and Rouri. These two shows illustrated the first time (IMHO) where the network decided the shows sucked and not their handling of the property. Other shows followed, but these were the first to really take the brunt of the treatment. The thing that drives me NUTS is they were some of the best products ever to be on the network. Now that they seemingly are being more scientific about their measurement of live action shows, the old 'research results' are apparently null and void because they didn't do it right before.

Now with this "Fried Dynamite" annouced, things are going in the complete OPPOSITE direction then I believe the "Toonami Faithful" want, wish or desire. Beyond the fact that is the STUPIDEST name for a block I think anyone anywhere has ever come up with, it's completely obvious it's intended to attempt to take on Nick and Disney. Everyone can see; there's not a poster amongst us that could be blind to this fact. The problem is they are alienating the viewers who made the network successful in the first place! The time slot where "Fried Dynamite" is curved to take over is realistically where Toonami should return to week nights. Why in the world would they build a kids block that potentially goes right up to Adult Swim? The cohesion of the network is sorely lacking.

Beyond all of this, what baffles me is why CN believes the tween market is such a goldmine anyway. No other network is actively tapping later teens and young adults. Guess what? If you look at the US Census reports, THESE TWO MARKETS OUT NUMBER THE TWEENS ---- by a lot. Mind everyone, I'm not talking about the combined population of either market, I'm saying Young Adults out numbers Tweens and Late Teens out numbers TWeens in their own capacity! This all screams bad marketing, bad use of shows, bad use of blocks and bad, bad, bad all around. TAP THE MARKET, don't ignore it. If CN doesn't, someone else will.

Here's a prediction:

Naruto goes into filler.
Naruto filler STILL runs once a week with no push to make it go faster.
The US Gives up on Naruto
CN drops Naruto
Another channel (perhaps Funimation Channel, possibly under a new name) picks up Naruto leading into Huricane Chronicals
CN Kills Toonami off.This seems to be the trend and I see no reason why it MIGHT possibly change.

[Duke]

Since this is apparently a Toonami show, I'm going to piss off the Toonami Mods and let them deal with this thread! :)
It first appeared during a Toonami show, but it ain't a strictly Toonami show, and it looks to have nothing to do with Toonami at all, so more work for you!

[kewlmyc]

Just rename Cartoon Network to "Turner Kids" and get it over with.

[Tea]

It's a sad, sad day when the 2nd hand networks like the Nicktoons Channel and ToonDisney show more animation than Cartoon Network does. And since they stopped buying Teen Titan episodes, all I find myself watching is SpongeBob and Avatar episodes.

They only specified ONE THING in their name about what they air--and that was cartoons. And they can't even do that.

[.bg]

And here's a logo idea:

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/6879/turnerkidsjf1.png

NOTE TO NOOBS: This isn't an official logo. This is an IDEA that I quickly threw together.

[limel]

The part about "Kids that are better than you", says it all.

Anyone remember this thread (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=188913)?

In your case, I would use CN Props as something for motivation. It shows you that there are kids that have followed their dreams and made it--And so can you. Surely, if they made it, you can too!

I don't see why this is bringing you down. If anything, it should be making you more hopeful.

[Dr.Pepper]

I wonder how this would do in ratings. I don't think it would do so well. I know when I was 10 I would prefer cartoons to a hour of live action kids showing off.

[Sketch]

I hope it does worse than Wulin Warriors.

[Dark Soul]

IS it my mistake but isnt there a live action thing for Ben 10 coming this fall? I thought I saw a commercial for it lol

[Rolling Cloud]

IS it my mistake but isnt there a live action thing for Ben 10 coming this fall? I thought I saw a commercial for it lol

Yes, there is a Live-action Ben 10 movie coming.

[Dracula_Marth]

Until it shapes up, this post is the last post i call the channel Cartoon network, rather, opting for CN or TFLK(WSC), meaning Television For Little Kids (With Some Cartoons)

seriously, CN thought 30-second commercials with "talented" kids merited an hour long special?

[Mugen]

More info about the special:

Cartoon Network will support its Get Animated healthy lifestyles effort with Props, a 1-hour special on Saturday, September 1 at 7p. Hosted by US Olympic Gold Medal skier, Jonny Moseley, the special features the six "real-world kids" finalists, each voted on by viewers for their unique commitment and achievement in sports, arts or a hobby. Venus & Serena Williams, Bob Burnquist and Baron Davis among others, will join Moseley as the kid finalists take part in an experience customized specifically to their passion. Megtv produced the Props special.

[veemonjosh]

I don't even recall a place where viewers COULD vote.

This special sounds horrible, will be horrible, and I'm with Sketch on that I hope it does worse than Wulin Warriors.

[Pomegranate]

I don't even recall a place where viewers COULD vote.

This special sounds horrible, will be horrible, and I'm with Sketch on that I hope it does worse than Wulin Warriors.

Same here! I hope Props will flop so bad, CN will get out of its "we must air live-action 24/7" phase much sooner!

[Dark Soul]

Yup I hope this really really flops. Like wulin warriors what Sketch said since I couldn't come up with anything better :p

This definately doesn't deserve an hour. And CN fails to mention where we could of voted even if I cared lol. So this was hand picked to begin with lol I guess.

[Raditz]

I wish it was just like another 30 second commercial that annouces the winners or something.

Why the hell do we need a Hour long special?
That's like taking the commercial about the "Head-On" Product and making it into an hour long commercial. :shrug:



I hope it does worse than Wulin Warriors.

I second that.

[Draft]

[quote=SSJ3raditz;2626843]Why the hell do we need a Hour long special?
That's like taking the commercial about the "Head-On" Product and making it into an hour long commercial. :shrug:[quote]

Ssssssh. don't give Turner Ideas. They already eliminated Half of Headline News for Talk Shows(Though Glenn Beck is awesome and Nancy Grace is funny to watch on The Soup_

I'm with Veemonjosh and Sketch..

[.bg]

...not to mention, their southern lifestyle channel is now a sports channel, CNN is book-plugging 24/7, and TBS airs movies that aren't comedy.

Turner US is screwed up.

[Toonfan2000]

...not to mention, their southern lifestyle channel is now a sports channel, CNN is book-plugging 24/7, and TBS airs movies that aren't comedy.

Turner US is screwed up.

They don't even own Turner South anymore.

-I KNOW I'M NOT IN THE TARGET DEMO, BUT BEAR WITH ME-
Anyway, I feel that Cartoon Network is screwing up more with an hour long "Props" special. What makes them think that hour-long versions of interstitials will get good ratings is beyond me.

[John Dorian]

...not to mention, their southern lifestyle channel is now a sports channel, CNN is book-plugging 24/7, and TBS airs movies that aren't comedy.

Turner US is screwed up.



That sports channel is Sports South that Fox (News Corp.) now owns (formely Turner South) since 2006 after buying it from Turner.


I like TBS and TNT having similarities. They were both alike until 2001 when TNT was now strictly Drama.


Oh yeah, before you go start talking about Turner (not to be mean), you should talk about um........MTV Networks. Their channels stinks. MTV is for teens having reality, VH1 is for the older folks (25 years) with the same reality crap. BET is the Black version of MTV, CMT is the country eqivilant of MTV and VH1 combined, Spike is just......no........, Comedy Central is not funny anymore with just South Park, The Colbert Report and The Daily Show left and plays Scrubs and MADtv all the time, plus, they have all these promos for action movies, showing us the funny stuff that's not funny, TV Land airs reality stuff and newer shows, Nick is currently the "Spongebob and Drake and Josh and Friends channel", while Nick @ Nite airs Fresh Prince and The Cosby Show and Roseanne and Full House to death, even though those shows are 17 to 20 years old and reality, too, Nicktoons network is just Nickelodeon without live action (well, Mr. Meaty), and Noggin is Nick Jr. with some shows that's not on Nick Jr. anymore. And Disney is on the same level with them (execpt ESPN). So Turner is not as bad as Disney/ABC.

[.bg]

I like TBS and TNT having similarities. They were both alike until 2001 when TNT was now strictly Drama.
However, TBS' slogan is "Very Funny." If they're going to show movies, it should be strictly comedy, end of story.

[Anthony C.]

That sports channel is Sports South that Fox (News Corp.) now owns (formely Turner South) since 2006 after buying it from Turner.


I like TBS and TNT having similarities. They were both alike until 2001 when TNT was now strictly Drama.


Oh yeah, before you go start talking about Turner (not to be mean), you should talk about um........MTV Networks. Their channels stinks. MTV is for teens having reality, VH1 is for the older folks (25 years) with the same reality crap. BET is the Black version of MTV, CMT is the country eqivilant of MTV and VH1 combined, Spike is just......no........, Comedy Central is not funny anymore with just South Park, The Colbert Report and The Daily Show left and plays Scrubs and MADtv all the time, plus, they have all these promos for action movies, showing us the funny stuff that's not funny, TV Land airs reality stuff and newer shows, Nick is currently the "Spongebob and Drake and Josh and Friends channel", while Nick @ Nite airs Fresh Prince and The Cosby Show and Roseanne and Full House to death, even though those shows are 17 to 20 years old and reality, too, Nicktoons network is just Nickelodeon without live action (well, Mr. Meaty), and Noggin is Nick Jr. with some shows that's not on Nick Jr. anymore. And Disney is on the same level with them (execpt ESPN). So Turner is not as bad as Disney/ABC.

I gotta disagree with you about ESPN. ESPN just plain sucks now: unfunny, lame attempts at comedy, style over substance coverage of sports, journalists screaming at each other for no reason, crappy analysts for all of their sports broadcast, and an unbelievable lack of journalistic integrity. The sad thing is that Stuart Scott literally is guilty for all of this by himself and thus represents all that is wrong with ESPN. If I had my way, I'd fire him along with Skip Bayless, Jay Mariotti, and Steven A. Smith, and just start over.

But I need to stay on topic: Time Warner/ Turner needs to change the name of Cartoon Network to something like Time Warner Kids or something of that ilk and stop lying to us; the Cartoon Network loyalists.

[Draft]

However, TBS' slogan is "Very Funny." If they're going to show movies, it should be strictly comedy, end of story.
and hasn't TNT aired comedy movies recently?(I know they aired The Mask and i think Matilda in the past couple of years..)

[Dr.Pepper]

However, TBS' slogan is "Very Funny." If they're going to show movies, it should be strictly comedy, end of story.
I noticed that myself. It is like how TV Land is airing Extreme Makeover: Home Edition.
Cartoon Network will support its Get Animated healthy lifestyles effort with Props, a 1-hour special on Saturday, September 1 at 7p. Hosted by US Olympic Gold Medal skier, Jonny Moseley, the special features the six "real-world kids" finalists, each voted on by viewers for their unique commitment and achievement in sports, arts or a hobby. Venus & Serena Williams, Bob Burnquist and Baron Davis among others, will join Moseley as the kid finalists take part in an experience customized specifically to their passion. Megtv produced the Props special.
Okay. I know that when I was between the ages of 6 and 11 this would be about the last thing I would want to watch.

[tb4000]

Every channel is trying to be hip and edgy with random abstract humor. It's getting old.

[John Dorian]

Every channel is trying to be hip and edgy with random abstract humor. It's getting old.

It is indeed.

However, TBS' slogan is "Very Funny." If they're going to show movies, it should be strictly comedy, end of story.

We don't need another Comedy Central. :D

[TheVofSteel]

If they change CN's name it should be Kids' WB like Silverstar suggested. Kids don't really know about Time Warner or Turner. Kids' WB is a familiar brand name.

[John Dorian]

If they change CN's name it should be Kids' WB like Silverstar suggested. Kids don't really know about Time Warner or Turner. Kids' WB is a familiar brand name.


Well, CN only has TWO WB progams on the network and if they rename it Kids WB!, then we wouldn't need the SatAM block on The CW, now won't we?


And WB and Turner are like water not mixing with electricity. They don't really get along, just for the WB programs and putting CN's shows on DVD. that's all.

[Dr.Pepper]

If they change CN's name it should be Kids' WB like Silverstar suggested. Kids don't really know about Time Warner or Turner. Kids' WB is a familiar brand name.
Actually I think that Turner Kids is a better name IMO.

[Toonfan2000]

Actually I think that Turner Kids is a better name IMO.

I personally agree with TheVOfSteel on the "Kids' WB!" brand. If CN rebrands, the name would need some degree of familiarity. Sticking an unfamiliar (to an average ten-year-old), cookie-cutter brand name on a channel aimed at children will likely drive them away:

Kid watching TV: What happened to Cartoon Network?! MOMMY I WANT CARTOON NETWORK BACK! WAAAA!!!

Or:

Kid watching TV: Kids' WB! WOOHOO!

[Antiyonder]

I still say that the fact that Cartoon Network lasted as long as it did, proves there is no need to add live action. The ratings are due more to lack of effort to make the cartoons work. More effort and diversity would help the network. If the target demograph disliked cartoons to begin with then wouldn't they keep the tvs on Disney Channel? The fact that Toon Disney doesn't have as much live action proves that much.

That said, I'd go with Silverstar, as long as the live action program in question is related to toons or is cartoonish, then it doesn't ruin the network image. So yes, Out Of Jimmy's Head and Kamen Rider (The Tokusatsu programs do after all have traits appealing to toon fans) would work. And yes, that's why Power Rangers works on Toon Disney as well.

[Sketch]

I personally agree with John Dorian on the "Kids' WB!" brand. If CN rebrands, the name would need some degree of familiarity. Sticking an unfamiliar (to an average ten-year-old), cookie-cutter brand name on a channel aimed at children will likely drive them away:

Kid watching TV: What happened to Cartoon Network?! MOMMY I WANT CARTOON NETWORK BACK! WAAAA!!!

Kids' WB would be a fine name to adapt to I suppose but that would imply it's a WB run network not a Turner one. That might not be a bad idea though... we might at least get Looney Tunes out of it if CN was run by Warner rather than Turner but it would lose even more of it's soul in the process I'm afraid.

[Taylor Karras]

Yes, A 3 letter anycrom or a name that's completly diffrent would work but not Kids WB!

[TheVofSteel]

I really don't see how Turner Kids is a good name, sorry.

Kids' WB! would defenitely be the best choice.