What should be done to bring back Adult Swim?

[Creme]

I mean all the good facets of Adult Swim.
It used to be so cool when it was only on Saturdays and Sundays back in the day...and ever since they started going on weeknights and expanding their own time, first from 2am-6am then from 10-11 (I think) it's like they are trying to become mainstream.
All the anime they play nowadays and all the comedy doesn't necessarily have to be adult as long as it's mainstream (bleach, crayon shin-chan, fullmetal alchemist, saved by the bell, peewee's playhouse, saul of molemen, tim & eric). Ya know I've always had the notion that the purpose of adult swim is a place for cartoons that could be shown nowhere else on what is now "cartoon" network
It's not that I think there should be a return to simpler times but I just think in the past few years, this whole movement to becoming a network has come at the sacrifice of the quality and viewer's interest in Adult Swim and its programming.

So for fans... what do you think should be done to return AS to it's peak? :shrug:

[macattack]

I truly think that Neon Genesis Evangelion, Fullmetal Alchemist (when you consider the later episodes), Shin-Chan, Trinity Blood, and Blood+ are unplayable on Toonami/CN.

Saul is too smutty to wind up on CN as well, though the negative response to it seems to be signaling its demise. Peewee and Saved are both gone as well. So I don't really think there's too much of a problem, here.

And yes, AS has to go mainstream. They're becoming a household name nowadays. The Boston incident has made virtually every American hear of AS and Aqua Teen, and Robot Chicken is really high-profile. Plus AS is credited with reviving Family Guy. So they have been 'mainstream' for some itme. I really don't see too much of a difference in content quality, however, from 2003-to-now.

[Blackstar]

As long as [adult swim] is doing well in the ratings, they're not going to relegate it to only airing 2 nights a week.

IMHO, The best way for [as] to improve would be for it's programming to improve. First, [as] needs to take Futurama off Saturday nights. I like Futurama, but the constant rerunning of the episodes is becoming tiresome, especially now that [as] airs a double feature of Futurama every weeknight. Why not show reruns of Sealab 2021 or Harvey Birdman in place of Futurama on Saturday nights? Keep the Saturday and Sunday night shows exclusive to the weekends.

[Creme]

The difference in content is that many of the anime and comedy shows are now downplaying to a younger audience.
Where is your Ghost in the Shells and Mission Hills when you need them? The programming should be both adult and intelligent huh?

[Creme]

As long as [adult swim] is doing well in the ratings, they're not going to relegate it to only airing 2 nights a week.

IMHO, The best way for [as] to improve would be for it's programming to improve. First, [as] needs to take Futurama off Saturday nights. I like Futurama, but the constant rerunning of the episodes is becoming tiresome, especially now that [as] airs a double feature of Futurama every weeknight. Why not show reruns of Sealab 2021 or Harvey Birdman in place of Futurama on Saturday nights? Keep the Saturday and Sunday night shows exclusive to the weekends.
Well I've always found weeknights overwhelming, but that's got nothing to do with the real problem. I think the real problem is that Adult Swim is becoming an oppressive network. Oppressive in the sense that they'll program whatever gets ratings even if it doesn't fit the bill as belonging on Adult Swim. :yawn:

(And Futurama airing every night of AS is pointing to what I just said. They don't care about variety, it's ratings that matter.)

[HG Revolution]

I'd prefer that AS disappears altogether and their programing airs on general Cartoon Network with content disclaimers when necessary. Then CN may start airing clean-but-still-adult-friendly programming like Looney Tunes and such during the daytime and we'd be rid of pesky demographic concerns forever.

And Bleach could go to Toonami!

[Creme]

I'd prefer that AS disappears altogether and their programing airs on general Cartoon Network with content disclaimers when necessary. Then CN may start airing clean-but-still-adult-friendly programming like Looney Tunes and such during the daytime and we'd be rid of pesky demographic concerns forever.

And Bleach could go to Toonami!

That would make things a whole lot easier wouldn't it :cool:

[Mugen]

The difference in content is that many of the anime and comedy shows are now downplaying to a younger audience.
Where is your Ghost in the Shells and Mission Hills when you need them? The programming should be both adult and intelligent huh?

While I disagree with the comedy shows being downplayed to a younger audience(Have you watched Morel Orel?), in terms of action shows, what is really out there that AS can air?

Well I've always found weeknights overwhelming, but that's got nothing to do with the real problem. I think the real problem is that Adult Swim is becoming an oppressive network. Oppressive in the sense that they'll program whatever gets ratings even if it doesn't fit the bill as belonging on Adult Swim. :yawn:

(And Futurama airing every night of AS is pointing to what I just said. They don't care about variety, it's ratings that matter.)

That's because ratings DO matter. There is a reason why AS is the #1 network for adults 18-34.

And while some of the schedule could be improved, I'm honestly content with what they have on schedule. 10:30 will be gone soon, so that extra airing of Futurama is gone. I mean, I prefer AS's scheduling decisions over CN's right now.

[Creme]

While I disagree with the comedy shows being downplayed to a younger audience(Have you watched Morel Orel?), in terms of action shows, what is really out there that AS can air?

I don't know. But is there not quality adult anime out there? :confused:

There is a reason why AS is the #1 network for adults 18-34.



Family Guy and Futurama. :shrug:

[Mugen]

I don't know. But is there not quality adult anime out there? :confused:

Well, those are few and far between.

Family Guy and Futurama. :shrug:

Yeah, so what? It goes to show you that AS can pick shows that can grab ratings. Nickelodeon is the number network for kids, thanks to Spongebob and other cartoons, and FOX wins the broadcast network sweeps in Spring, thanks to American Idol. Lots of networks have one or two shows that are very popular and they tend to rerun them alot. AS is no different.

Anyway, I'm happy with AS right now(and I'm in their demographic), and that's what matters to me.

[Creme]

Well, those are few and far between. True. But the way adult swim programs Action... they have such a small library and have long since expended many of their shows... there's really nothing that can be done huh. :yawn:


Yeah, so what? It goes to show you that AS can pick shows that can grab ratings. Nickelodeon is the number network for kids, thanks to Spongebob and other cartoons, and FOX wins the broadcast network sweeps in Spring, thanks to American Idol. Lots of networks have one or two shows that are very popular and they tend to rerun them alot. AS is no different.

Anyway, I'm happy with AS right now(and I'm in their demographic), and that's what matters to me.

I didn't say Adult swim is the only network that does this, I just think after a few years it gets to a point where the viewer completely loses interest. It seems like CN in general is only playing on new waves of younger viewers/new viewers and doesn't seek to retain older viewers. :sweat:

[livingfruitvirus]

I mean all the good facets of Adult Swim.
It used to be so cool when it was only on Saturdays and Sundays back in the day...and ever since they started going on weeknights and expanding their own time, first from 2am-6am then from 10-11 (I think) it's like they are trying to become mainstream.
All the anime they play nowadays and all the comedy doesn't necessarily have to be adult as long as it's mainstream (bleach, crayon shin-chan, fullmetal alchemist, saved by the bell, peewee's playhouse, saul of molemen, tim & eric). Ya know I've always had the notion that the purpose of adult swim is a place for cartoons that could be shown nowhere else on what is now "cartoon" network
It's not that I think there should be a return to simpler times but I just think in the past few years, this whole movement to becoming a network has come at the sacrifice of the quality and viewer's interest in Adult Swim and its programming.

So for fans... what do you think should be done to return AS to it's peak? :shrug:

Sounds like you were enjoying the novelty of AS at the time. That only lasts so long until people become content with its existence. I think many people back then were just overjoyed to have the option that AS provided. When Cowboy Bebop aired, people acted like it was an unthinkable move to be made by anyone sane. But of course they want to be mainstream. The whole goal of operating a big television network is to be popular, so of course they're going to program mainstream appealing shows. Why WOULDN'T they?

The difference in content is that many of the anime and comedy shows are now downplaying to a younger audience.
Where is your Ghost in the Shells and Mission Hills when you need them? The programming should be both adult and intelligent huh?

GitS is still on, yo. It's just over. And AS has always aired shows that can downplay to younger audiences. Did we forget Yu Yu Hakusho? The Toonami imports? Inuyasha in 2002? Kikaider? Trigun?

Adult and intelligent? Ugh. I hate when people say that. "Where's the shows to make me feel smart?" If I were you I'd watch PBS and not cartoons.

I'd prefer that AS disappears altogether and their programing airs on general Cartoon Network with content disclaimers when necessary. Then CN may start airing clean-but-still-adult-friendly programming like Looney Tunes and such during the daytime and we'd be rid of pesky demographic concerns forever.

I'm pretty sure that idea would end up backfiring in everyone's faces. CN has enough problems as it is and they're so devoted to the bottom line, that we're going to trust them with AS now? That sounds like giving a priceless antique vase to a retarded child.

[Creme]

Sounds like you were enjoying the novelty of AS at the time. That only lasts so long until people become content with its existence. I think many people back then were just overjoyed to have the option that AS provided. When Cowboy Bebop aired, people acted like it was an unthinkable move to be made by anyone sane. But of course they want to be mainstream. The whole goal of operating a big television network is to be popular, so of course they're going to program mainstream appealing shows. Why WOULDN'T they?

But being mainstream isn't necessarily good if we have to be subjected to family guy and futurama galore. I don't know, I'm just someone who likes variety, I thought that's what most people want. I bet they try real hard to please their viewers just like any other television network.



GitS is still on, yo. It's just over. And AS has always aired shows that can downplay to younger audiences. Did we forget Yu Yu Hakusho? The Toonami imports? Inuyasha in 2002? Kikaider? Trigun?

GitS is one of the greatest action shows imo, it's always a shame whenever it's taken out.
Yu Yu Hakusho had a lot of cursing, I don't know why they never ran more episodes on AS.
The series then were mature to me (I'm in my late teens now maybe that has something to do with it), especially the gundams.
InuYasha was plenty mature until it hit season 2 and was revealed for one of those implausible (but maybe entertaining to a younger audience) folk talkes that children read.
Kikaider and Trigun fed my science fiction affectionado and I think they both had mature elements.

All I mean is that I think AS got a little backtracked when they started putting on Fullmetal Alchemist, s-CRY-ed, Eureka Seven, Bleach, Crayon Shin-Chan, Saved by the Bell, PeeWee's Playhouse, things that I don't think appeal to adults very much. (I guess you can argue FMA but there's just too much humor in there that I think is meant to touch young teens) and I'm hoping it doesn't become a trend.


Adult and intelligent? Ugh. I hate when people say that. "Where's the shows to make me feel smart?" If I were you I'd watch PBS and not cartoons.


What I meant is that I wish there was more programming that complemented my train of thought. (sorry about that)
ay, I know I'm pretty smart, don't need cartoons for that :p
I don't really watch any adult swim I was just pointing out what I noticed about the progression (or degression if you will) of the programming with it as a network.

[Blackstar]

I'd prefer that AS disappears altogether and their programing airs on general Cartoon Network with content disclaimers when necessary. Then CN may start airing clean-but-still-adult-friendly programming like Looney Tunes and such during the daytime and we'd be rid of pesky demographic concerns forever.

And Bleach could go to Toonami!

Hate to disappoint, but like I said, as long as [as] is drawing consistently high ratings, it's not going anywhere. And as long as Boomerang exists, CN will never show Looney Tunes again, especially not on late nights.

And Bleach airing as part of Toonami? That's a good one. A show about death and soul reapers and characters slicing one another with swords airing right after Zatch Bell. Can you picture it? Kids would have nightmares about being devoured by Hollows. I could possibly see Bleach airing on the earlier, good Toonami from 4 years ago, but the current one? Not a chance.

[Mugen]

And Bleach airing as part of Toonami? That's a good one. A show about death and soul reapers and characters slicing one another with swords airing right after Zatch Bell. Can you picture it? Kids would have nightmares about being devoured by Hollows. I could possibly see Bleach airing on the earlier, good Toonami from 4 years ago, but the current one? Not a chance.

No, Bleach can be fine on Toonami, but it's on AS and that's where it will be at from now on.

GitS is one of the greatest action shows imo, it's always a shame whenever it's taken out.
Yu Yu Hakusho had a lot of cursing, I don't know why they never ran more episodes on AS.
The series then were mature to me (I'm in my late teens now maybe that has something to do with it), especially the gundams.
InuYasha was plenty mature until it hit season 2 and was revealed for one of those implausible (but maybe entertaining to a younger audience) folk talkes that children read.
Kikaider and Trigun fed my science fiction affectionado and I think they both had mature elements.

All I mean is that I think AS got a little backtracked when they started putting on Fullmetal Alchemist, s-CRY-ed, Eureka Seven, Bleach, Crayon Shin-Chan, Saved by the Bell, PeeWee's Playhouse, things that I don't think appeal to adults very much. (I guess you can argue FMA but there's just too much humor in there that I think is meant to touch young teens) and I'm hoping it doesn't become a trend.

Yu Yu Hakusho was moved to Toonami because it was bringing more kids ratings than adult ratings.

I hate to tell you, but YYH and Inuyasha were targeted towards teens just like the shows you mentioned that got "AS off-track(with the exception of Shin-Chan: That was targeted towards adults in Japan)." Same with Gundam.

[Master Moron]

GitS is still on, yo. It's just over. And AS has always aired shows that can downplay to younger audiences. Did we forget Yu Yu Hakusho? The Toonami imports? Inuyasha in 2002? Kikaider? Trigun?


Kikaider? How in the hell did that downplay to younger audiences? That would have put kids to sleep. Probably put some adults to sleep too, actually.

Hate to disappoint, but like I said, as long as [as] is drawing consistently high ratings, it's not going anywhere. And as long as Boomerang exists, CN will never show Looney Tunes again, especially not on late nights.

And Bleach airing as part of Toonami? That's a good one. A show about death and soul reapers and characters slicing one another with swords airing right after Zatch Bell. Can you picture it? Kids would have nightmares about being devoured by Hollows. I could possibly see Bleach airing on the earlier, good Toonami from 4 years ago, but the current one? Not a chance.

Okay, I'm not going to get into an argument of where Bleach should go. I actually prefer it on Adult Swim since we get full openings and closings. I'll just point out that an Adult Swim rep did say that both blocks wanted it. Furthermore, Dragonball Z seems a hell of a lot more violent than Bleach does so far and that still airs on Toonami. Finally, what makes you say that Toonami was better 4 years ago? There's no way in hell they would air TV-PG programming 4 years ago.

[Creme]

Yu Yu Hakusho was moved to Toonami because it was bringing more kids ratings than adult ratings.

I hate to tell you, but YYH and Inuyasha were targeted towards teens just like the shows you mentioned that got "AS off-track(with the exception of Shin-Chan: That was targeted towards adults in Japan)." Same with Gundam.

I'm sure that's very true. I watch Inuyasha now and I am in no way addicted to it like I was when it was new.
But apparently they keep getting shows that target teens audiences in Japan such as Bleach. Now that I'm older, all I really want if I'm going to watch Adult Swim is for them to play truly Adult content; it's been the same teen targeted shows all this time but I've only realized it just now. All we ask for is AS to play up to it's audience. To me that means more anime like Ghost in the Shell, Samurai Champloo and Blood Plus but less anime like Case Closed, Bleach and Eureka Seven, but somehow there's people who think that all these Action shows are for adults :confused:

[Mugen]

I'm sure that's very true. I watch Inuyasha now and I am in no way addicted to it like I was when it was new.
But apparently they keep getting shows that target teens audiences in Japan such as Bleach. Now that I'm older, all I really want if I'm going to watch Adult Swim is for them to play truly Adult content; it's been the same teen targeted shows all this time but I've only realized it just now. All we ask for is AS to play up to it's audience. To me that means more anime like Ghost in the Shell, Samurai Champloo and Blood Plus but less anime like Case Closed, Bleach and Eureka Seven, but somehow there's people who think that all these Action shows are for adults :confused:

It's hard for AS to pick up anime shows that are targeted towards adults. There are a couple of the shows I want them to air, but the selection is limited.

See, I enjoyed Case Closed and I like Bleach. E7 was okay to me. I know those shows aren't made towards adults, but they are enjoyable to me.

Until Japan makes more consistently good anime made towards adults and/or other companies make an original action show for AS, I think people will eventually have to accept that AS will pick up an anime show that isn't totally aimed towards adults.

[macattack]

Case Closed, E7, S-cry-ed, and Kikaider all would have bombed on Toonami, just my opinion. At least on AS the latter three shows were able to run in full and with openings and closings. And Case Closed got around fifty episodes before AS finally gave up on it, showing that AS has far more patience than CN. Plus we got an awesome five-episode Kikaider OVA airing after the TV series too, and Toonami never would have done that.

Bleach . . . might have fit on Toonami. But the poster who said that the Hollows would give kids nightmares probably isn't too far off the truth. A Toonami-ed Bleach would be regulated to 9:30 CST, no question.

[HG Revolution]

And Bleach airing as part of Toonami? That's a good one. A show about death and soul reapers and characters slicing one another with swords airing right after Zatch Bell. Can you picture it? Kids would have nightmares about being devoured by Hollows. I could possibly see Bleach airing on the earlier, good Toonami from 4 years ago, but the current one? Not a chance.

And Naruto airing as part of Toonami? That's a good one. A show about death and mutant assassins and children stabbing each other with kunai airing right after Zatch Bell. Can you picture it? Kids would have nightmares about being devoured by sand demons. I could possibly see Naruto airing on the earlier, good Toonami from 4 years ago, but the current one? Not a chance.

[Speedy Boris]

I'd like to see more pilots on Adult Swim. It encourages experimentation. That's why I loved that pilot night a month ago. Sure, not all the pilots were winners but I was just happy for a little variety. It harkened back to the 2001-2003 days, when we got to see quite a few pilots and specials other than the regular series.

Oh, and... could we PLEASE not have this become another pointless "Bleach should go to Toonami" topic, PLEASE? Thanks.

[Blackstar]

And Naruto airing as part of Toonami? That's a good one. A show about death and mutant assassins and children stabbing each other with kunai airing right after Zatch Bell. Can you picture it? Kids would have nightmares about being devoured by sand demons. I could possibly see Naruto airing on the earlier, good Toonami from 4 years ago, but the current one? Not a chance.

To borrow a line from Fat Albert, you remind me of school in the summertime: No class.

Argue with the opinion, chum, not with the person making the opinion. And anyway, Naruto is just fine on Toonami because it's not really that mature. DBZ is far gorier than Naruto in terms of on screen violence. The most mature that Naruto's ever gotten so far is showing a character's death and the subsequent funeral.

[HG Revolution]

Tactless, yet rude. Quite a combination. Argue with the opinion, not the person making the opinion. And anyway, Naruto is just fine on Toonami because it's not really that mature. DBZ is far gorier than Naruto in terms of on screen violence. The most mature that Naruto's ever gotten so far is showing a character's death and the subsequent funeral.

DBZ is also gorier than Bleach. Do you have any proof of how Bleach is more mature than Naruto? I mean, Bleach is generally humans vs. Hollows, but Naruto has humans being trained to murder each other. Which do you think is more disturbing?

[Blackstar]

Listen, I'm not going to argue about this, as I have no stake in the matter whatsoever and quite frankly, am not a huge fan of either show. I honestly don't get how humans fighting humans is any more disturbing than humans fighting monsters. Violence is violence, but kids generally aren't disturbed by the sight of humans. I really don't see how Naruto is any more violent or mature than Bleach is, but if that's your opinion, so be it. If you want Bleach to replace Naruto on Toonami so badly, then contact the execs at Cartoon Network and [adult swim] and see what they tell you.

[J'onn J'onzz]

I'd like to see more pilots on Adult Swim. It encourages experimentation. That's why I loved that pilot night a month ago. Sure, not all the pilots were winners but I was just happy for a little variety. It harkened back to the 2001-2003 days, when we got to see quite a few pilots and specials other than the regular series.

Oh, and... could we PLEASE not have this become another pointless "Bleach should go to Toonami" topic, PLEASE? Thanks.
Yeah, I'm going to have to agree with that. Back in 2001-2003 we'd get random stuff like Captain Sturdy, The Groovenians, and Boo Boo Runs Wild. They were even going to air Rejected, but it got pulled for having a character yell "JESUS!"

Another problem with Adult Swim is the name. Honestly, there's no swimming anymore. I liked the 2001-2002 bumps with the old people swimming because at least AS fit its name back then. Even those 2003 bumps with AS characters at the pool were pretty good. These black and white cards and Superdeluxe bumps have nothing to do with swimming.

That, and all the shows just seemed more... connected back then. You had a show about a retired superhero doing a talkshow, a show about a retired superhero doing lawyer stuff, and a show about some soon-to-be supervillains' sitcom-y lives. Even Aqua Teen and Sealab were somewhat related to the others. I mean, I remember Captain Murphy watching Adult Swim one time. I'm pretty sure Meatwad had a cameo in The Brak Show once. Plus, Aqua Teen came out of an episode of Space Ghost. Nowadays, all the shows are totally unrelated... and not that good. Perfect Hair Forever and 12 Oz Mouse even had some relation to Space Ghost and the like, but now they're demoted to webisodes only. I mean, try to find the connection between Assy McGee and Minoriteam. There is none. I'm not saying ALL the shows have to be similar, I like third party shows like Home Movies and Boondocks as much as the next guy, just I like the Williams Street ones to be somewhat connected.

Another problem I have with AS is the lack of Space Ghost. Couldn't they make some episodes for air? I mean, they're making those GameTap episodes.

And of course, this is just my rant on the comedy. The action shows have generally just gone down in quality, in my opinion. I mean, Bleach was okay for the first 15 episodes or so, but then it just started dragging like hell. Last episode we got the excitement of 20 minutes of Ichigo staring at Kenpachi and chatting with that pink haired girl, followed by finally swinging his sword at Zaraki. I mean, come on, we could've had the full fight in that time instead of just Ichigo staring at Kenpachi and yelling at his friends. The show is just way too slow.

As for Blood+, I'm just not into that sort of thing. I don't get my kicks watching puppies get eaten.

DBZ is also gorier than Bleach. Do you have any proof of how Bleach is more mature than Naruto? I mean, Bleach is generally humans vs. Hollows, but Naruto has humans being trained to murder each other. Which do you think is more disturbing?
Honestly, neither one is disturbing at all.

[Master Moron]

That, and all the shows just seemed more... connected back then. You had a show about a retired superhero doing a talkshow, a show about a retired superhero doing lawyer stuff, and a show about some soon-to-be supervillains' sitcom-y lives. Even Aqua Teen and Sealab were somewhat related to the others. I mean, I remember Captain Murphy watching Adult Swim one time. I'm pretty sure Meatwad had a cameo in The Brak Show once. Plus, Aqua Teen came out of an episode of Space Ghost. Nowadays, all the shows are totally unrelated... and not that good. Perfect Hair Forever and 12 Oz Mouse even had some relation to Space Ghost and the like, but now they're demoted to webisodes only. I mean, try to find the connection between Assy McGee and Minoriteam. There is none. I'm not saying ALL the shows have to be similar, I like third party shows like Home Movies and Boondocks as much as the next guy, just I like the Williams Street ones to be somewhat connected.


Gotta disagree with you there. Variety is good. Adult Swim used to be set up so you either liked all the shows or hated all of them. Now there are different types of humor in the different Williams Street shows. Basically, there's something for everyone now.

[livingfruitvirus]

Another problem with Adult Swim is the name. Honestly, there's no swimming anymore. I liked the 2001-2002 bumps with the old people swimming because at least AS fit its name back then. Even those 2003 bumps with AS characters at the pool were pretty good. These black and white cards and Superdeluxe bumps have nothing to do with swimming.

That's a pretty lame argument. What does Nickelodeon have to do with small neighborhood theaters accompanied by a piano anymore? It's a recognizable brand name. MTV has nothing to do with music anymore, but they'd be stupid to change their name. The only way they could get away with it is if they changed to a name that retained the acronym, like Media Television (see: The National Network).

[macattack]

Moron's right. Variety is an awesome thing. There's a lot of comedy shows I don't like on AS, but there are a few I do enjoy, and the same goes for the Pilot Day (please make that a yearly tradition!). I disliked a lot of Pilot Day but found some shows that I enjoyed quite a bit (Superjail and Let's Fish).

And AS has aired a decent variety of anime, ranging from mecha to shonen to seinen. Cowboy Bebop, Blue Gender, Trigun, Kikaider, Neon Genesis Evangelion, Wolf's Rain, Bleach, Trinity Blood, Eureka Seven. All of those shows diverge from each other. I love NGE and Wof's Rain, but disliked Samurai Champloo and the Read Or Die OVA. Diversity is a wonderful thing.

[Taylor Karras]

Yeah, Now AS completly sucks, Most of it's shows are completly lacking in quality and I like very few of their new shows.

[Speedy Boris]

Yeah, Now AS completly sucks, Most of it's shows are completly lacking in quality and I like very few of their new shows. Well, do you have any ideas for how Adult Swim could improve? That IS what this topic is for, after all, not bashing the block.

[Jeff Harris]

That's a pretty lame argument. What does Nickelodeon have to do with small neighborhood theaters accompanied by a piano anymore? It's a recognizable brand name. MTV has nothing to do with music anymore, but they'd be stupid to change their name.Well, according to the spin they're using, music still plays a part in a bulk of their programming. Aside from the smeg like TRL, the morning videos block, and the annual events/specials/movies, music plays a role on all their programming, mostly as soundtrack fare to their "reality" shows. They still show music-related news briefs when they're not trying to change the world.

That's their spin on music. I still think it's a tragedy what they did with their coverage of Live 8 a couple of years ago, especially when the original Live Aid helped cement the brand in the public's eyes. What they did to The Box/MTV2 though is more than unforgivable.

On an ironic note, I noticed my 1,981st post is basically kind of defending MTV, a network that launched on August 1, 1981. Trust me. That wasn't planned.

[Master Moron]

Well, according to the spin they're using, music still plays a part in a bulk of their programming. Aside from the smeg like TRL, the morning videos block, and the annual events/specials/movies, music plays a role on all their programming, mostly as soundtrack fare to their "reality" shows. They still show music-related news briefs when they're not trying to change the world.

That's their spin on music. I still think it's a tragedy what they did with their coverage of Live 8 a couple of years ago, especially when the original Live Aid helped cement the brand in the public's eyes. What they did to The Box/MTV2 though is more than unforgivable.

On an ironic note, I noticed my 1,981st post is basically kind of defending MTV, a network that launched on August 1, 1981. Trust me. That wasn't planned.

Why in the hell do you know the date that MTV was launched?

[Zach Logan]

http://boards.adultswim.com/adultswim/board/message?board.id=3&message.id=592818#M592818

Either that, or I'll let the folks at Toon Zone decide for me.

[SpaceCowboy]

I think the Action block would be better if AS actually aired old anime. Stuff with good animation and good stories that still looks good today like Outlanders, Project A-ko, Battle Angel, etc. Of course, no one would watch but like 1 or 2 people.

Computer animation in newer shows really turned people off from the old cel-animated shows. But For some reason, people still watched Dragon Ball Z in 2002 and never realized the episodes were nearly 10 years old.

[DBZNarutoWarrior]

http://boards.adultswim.com/adultswim/board/message?board.id=3&message.id=592818#M592818

Either that, or I'll let the folks at Toon Zone decide for me.

I like that schedule. Well, Id say I like about 70% of it. But, it does show variety.;)

[John Dorian]

Well, according to the spin they're using, music still plays a part in a bulk of their programming. Aside from the smeg like TRL, the morning videos block, and the annual events/specials/movies, music plays a role on all their programming, mostly as soundtrack fare to their "reality" shows. They still show music-related news briefs when they're not trying to change the world.

That's their spin on music. I still think it's a tragedy what they did with their coverage of Live 8 a couple of years ago, especially when the original Live Aid helped cement the brand in the public's eyes. What they did to The Box/MTV2 though is more than unforgivable.

On an ironic note, I noticed my 1,981st post is basically kind of defending MTV, a network that launched on August 1, 1981. Trust me. That wasn't planned.


So, I'm not the only one who actually know the day that MTV started.
VH1 started in New Years Day 1985. Jeff, how can I ask you a question on your "X Bridge" site?

[hobbyfan]

I think part of the reason Futurama is getting so much airplay now, airing 7 nights a week, is that [as] has to fulfill its contract, since we know Futurama is leaving next year for Comedy Central. As for filling the holes.....

Did they cancel "The Brak Show" some time back? Bringing that back would bring back some old school [as] viewers, I think. I think I read somewhere that Harvey Birdman is coming to an end, and it happens to be a coincidence that this is the 30th anniversary of the original Birdman series.

To get viewers back, [as] has to do one specific thing, IMPO:

Stop disrespecting old school Hanna-Barbera!!!

You guys know what I mean. JJ Sedelmaier was contracted to do those Wonder Twins shorts I've read about that has recast the Twins as bumblers. Total blasphemy that I will never watch. Oh, yeah, it's also the 30th anniversary for the Twins' debut.

[as] is run by a bunch of goofs who think it's funny to make fun of the classics we grew up with. Well, guess what, nimrods! The joke died a long time ago!

[D Dubbs]

Did they cancel "The Brak Show" some time back? Bringing that back would bring back some old school [as] viewers, I think.

Yeah it was canceled a few years back, but there was a webisode released last month. However, it's not certain if those will continue.

To get viewers back, [as] has to do one specific thing, IMPO:

Stop disrespecting old school Hanna-Barbera!!!
If I'm not mistaken, Adult Swim has stated that they're done with remaking Hanna-Barbera shows/characters. Once Harvey Birdman is done, all that will be left is reruns.

[cross blues]

It's not that I think there should be a return to simpler times but I just think in the past few years, this whole movement to becoming a network has come at the sacrifice of the quality and viewer's interest in Adult Swim and its programming.

to make adult swim what i would like it to be would mean bankruptcy. or maybe just less profit than they like. i want to call them sellouts but they are just doing what everyone does and trying to profit the most with what they have. futurama and family guy are overplayed because people still watch them the most. anime isn't as popular because the more intricate the story, the less likely that someone will enjoy picking it up in the middle of the series. inuyasha works because it's so simple and (no offense to fans) the story isn't difficult to follow. techtv used to show good anime series and look what happened to that... and then we have to consider that the more family friendly the lineup is, the bigger the potential audience, and the bigger the potential moneys in the pockets. it's my hero john mclane being reduced to pg-13. it's sad. but it's just good business. oh well.

[Zorak Masaki]

I think part of the reason Futurama is getting so much airplay now, airing 7 nights a week, is that [as] has to fulfill its contract, since we know Futurama is leaving next year for Comedy Central. As for filling the holes.....

Did they cancel "The Brak Show" some time back? Bringing that back would bring back some old school [as] viewers, I think. I think I read somewhere that Harvey Birdman is coming to an end, and it happens to be a coincidence that this is the 30th anniversary of the original Birdman series.

To get viewers back, [as] has to do one specific thing, IMPO:

Stop disrespecting old school Hanna-Barbera!!!

You guys know what I mean. JJ Sedelmaier was contracted to do those Wonder Twins shorts I've read about that has recast the Twins as bumblers. Total blasphemy that I will never watch. Oh, yeah, it's also the 30th anniversary for the Twins' debut.

[as] is run by a bunch of goofs who think it's funny to make fun of the classics we grew up with. Well, guess what, nimrods! The joke died a long time ago!

You do realize that the brak show is yet another show making fun of old school Hanna-Barbara right?

[Knighthammer]

You know, one central theme here is wanting more adult orientated cartoons.

One show that alludes my understanding why it never got a chance on [AS] is Great Teacher Onizuka (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Teacher_Onizuka). This would be GREAT to flesh out Saturday Night especially since the rumors are heavy we'll be seeing Death Note soon on [AS]. Imagine this line up for saturday.

11:00 - Bleach
11:30 - Blood+
12:00 - Death Note
12:30 - GTO

The synergy there writes itself!

That said, I love Bleach where it is. I would *REALLY* like to see more shows that synergies it though. The last few weeks they are doing MUCH better throwing FMA in between it and Inuyasha. What I would *REALLY* love is more Kenshin and YuYu back on Adult Swim for another run next to Bleach. Hell, I think Witch Hunter Robin, Blue Gender and E7 deserve another run.

I love Futuruma / Family Guy but I don't like the synergy it has. I've made a radical suggestion over in the Toonami forum that they try moving it off the block and into CN Prime Time.

Overall, my biggest problem is synergy right now. Good synergy should make it feel natural to keep watching; not make you feel like you need to change gears just to enjoy the show!

[Sketch]

No no no. Kenshin (which never aired on Adult Swim) and Yu Yu Hakusho do not need to be on Adult Swim. It's bad enough that they air Bleach and will probably be airing Death Note (but that one I'd be fine with).

Moot point though as both those series have TV deals on other networks.

GTO would be great to see but they probably don't care to pick it up even though they're willing to play older looking stuff and even vintage anime.

Honestly I'm pretty happy with Adult Swim. The next batch of original shows should be pretty good judging by the pilots. The weekday line-up is solid and it will be even better soon when Birdman and Frisky Dingo air in the Midnight slot.

My only qualm with Adult Swim is that anime can't have 11PM on Saturday. Which I would appreciate as I liked to watch Toonami and Adult Swim back to back without messy comedy interuptions (much less Futurama which I've seen more than enough at this point). Even moving things up a half hour starting with Shin Chan at 11PM and going from there would be fine but I want anime first on Saturday if not for the entire night. I'm aware that this is very unlikely unless they find anime that do well enough to warrent giving anime all of Saturday but since it's the only problem I have with the current schedule I figured I might as well say it.

Now as for Adult Swim as a whole. They need to get over themselves because that collective ego of theirs is really starting to tick me off.

[Taylor Karras]

Here's ways to improve [adult swim].

1. Stop promoting other Turner Serives.
2. More bumps
3. More original shows
4. Less crap.
5. More Williams Street.

[Knighthammer]

No no no. Kenshin (which never aired on Adult Swim) and Yu Yu Hakusho do not need to be on Adult Swim. It's bad enough that they air Bleach and will probably be airing Death Note (but that one I'd be fine with).

Well, I know your main reason is wanting it on Toonami =P. I'm just looking for a really kick ass run either way (adult swim or toonami). I could go either way with it.

Although, as you said, moot point. Kenshin went to Anime Channel and Yu Yu to Funimation Channel IIRC


GTO would be great to see but they probably don't care to pick it up even though they're willing to play older looking stuff and even vintage anime.


I actually fired up my GTO DVD the other day. The feel of the animation is very similar to Bleach although Bleach obviously has many improvements.

It ended in 2000, 7 years ago, so based on CN not wanting to snag Escaflowne, they'd probably use the same arguement for GTO; forget the fact that the finale of GTO had some of the best ratings of *ANY* series ever :sad:. It IS a good way to give us comedy and anime in one shot. However, based on how popular it is, I bet GTO would be *REALLY* expensive.

The animation is still really great though. Its not like trying to measure Akira to today's standards.

[Sketch]

Just the movie and OVAs are on TAN. The show is on Black Belt TV. If you don't know what the heck that is (most people don't) then look it up.

[Silverstar]

Stop disrespecting old school Hanna-Barbera!!!

You guys know what I mean. JJ Sedelmaier was contracted to do those Wonder Twins shorts I've read about that has recast the Twins as bumblers. Total blasphemy that I will never watch. Oh, yeah, it's also the 30th anniversary for the Twins' debut.

[as] is run by a bunch of goofs who think it's funny to make fun of the classics we grew up with. Well, guess what, nimrods! The joke died a long time ago!

Come on, lighten up. Much of that old Hanna-Barbera stuff was/is so corny and campy that it deserves to be made fun of. (And this is coming from someone who grew up on H-B.) Just because we grew up with something doesn't mean it's above parody.

The Wonder Twins were cheesy bumblers. They were loosely based on Donny and Marie Osmond, for corn's sakes. And IMO, that whole "gopher moat' technique parody was spot-on. (Mother: "Even I know a one-inch gopher moat won't stop a bear!")

But anyway, it's a moot point, since [as] apparently won't be doing any more H-B sendups after Harvey Birdman.

[Mugen]

It ended in 2000, 7 years ago, so based on CN not wanting to snag Escaflowne, they'd probably use the same arguement for GTO; forget the fact that the finale of GTO had some of the best ratings of *ANY* series ever :sad:. It IS a good way to give us comedy and anime in one shot. However, based on how popular it is, I bet GTO would be *REALLY* expensive.



First off, For a time(I don't think so anymore), Showtime Beyond aired GTO. So, AS couldn't have aired it even if they wanted to.

Second, the GTO finale that got the best ratings in Japan(which reached Seinfeld finale levels) was the LIVE-ACTION one, not the animated one.

[Timmay]

Even in Japan, adult anime is a niche market which primarily serves otaku. Since watching anime as an adult is generally viewed as childish and weird. So what we do get over here that is "adult" anime are shows that were targeted towards children and teenagers in Japan. That doesn't necessarily mean that adults won't find adult material in them and enjoy it, which serves as part of the attraction for kids (speaking from my experience). Reading manga is, however, not looked down upon.

[Fafhrd]

The 11:00 PM-midnight (EST) time slots have been filled for as long as I have been watching Adult Swim with the same two shows--Futurama and Family Guy. FG, at least, has had some new shows (after it got resurrected in the fall of 2006), but Futurama has had the same set of shows, repeated over and over and over. It's time to find something else of equal quality to fill that time slot.

[blitzkrieg]

The 11:00 PM-midnight (EST) time slots have been filled for as long as I have been watching Adult Swim with the same two shows--Futurama and Family Guy. FG, at least, has had some new shows (after it got resurrected in the fall of 2006), but Futurama has had the same set of shows, repeated over and over and over. It's time to find something else of equal quality to fill that time slot.

The ratings, and hence the majority(of AS watchers that really matter,) disagree with you.

[Knighthammer]

Even in Japan, adult anime is a niche market which primarily serves otaku. Since watching anime as an adult is generally viewed as childish and weird. So what we do get over here that is "adult" anime are shows that were targeted towards children and teenagers in Japan. That doesn't necessarily mean that adults won't find adult material in them and enjoy it, which serves as part of the attraction for kids (speaking from my experience). Reading manga is, however, not looked down upon.

That's kind of super imposing OUR beliefs on them which isn't true.

The reason Manga and conversely anime *IS* wildly accepted over there is because the average commute of a working Japaneses person in the city is approximately 1 hour. Many have much longer commutes. This is akin to those who commute from the Philly area to NYC every day. Like that commute, most Japanese commutes are by train.

Manga has become a run away market there because it has become something that they can read several small shots quickly and swap between others on the same train.

The anime itself, being based on such mangas isn't shunned upon. As a matter of fact, I've read many stories and have heard first hand accounts where some finales and some premiers are so anticipated, its literally froze many businesses for a full day due to everyone calling off. Given, this doesn't happen every day, week or even year but it HAS happened!

The fairest assessment of some anime in Japan not being as popular as it should is work schedules don't ALLOW them to watch or the only TV access the have is community in nature. This certainly isn't unheard of.

It's certainly more accepted for grownups to watch anime there then in the US. Don't forget, THIS community accepts it as a whole, but the Toonzone community certainly doesn't speak for the majority of the country.

[Timmay]

That's kind of super imposing OUR beliefs on them which isn't true.

The reason Manga and conversely anime *IS* wildly accepted over there is because the average commute of a working Japaneses person in the city is approximately 1 hour. Many have much longer commutes. This is akin to those who commute from the Philly area to NYC every day. Like that commute, most Japanese commutes are by train.

Manga has become a run away market there because it has become something that they can read several small shots quickly and swap between others on the same train.

The anime itself, being based on such mangas isn't shunned upon. As a matter of fact, I've read many stories and have heard first hand accounts where some finales and some premiers are so anticipated, its literally froze many businesses for a full day due to everyone calling off. Given, this doesn't happen every day, week or even year but it HAS happened!

The fairest assessment of some anime in Japan not being as popular as it should is work schedules don't ALLOW them to watch or the only TV access the have is community in nature. This certainly isn't unheard of.

It's certainly more accepted for grownups to watch anime there then in the US. Don't forget, THIS community accepts it as a whole, but the Toonzone community certainly doesn't speak for the majority of the country.

I'm not really comparing their culture to ours. Plainly said, an adult who watches anime in Japan is probably going to be termed an otaku (derogatory). Most adult mangas aren't animated anyway.

[tb4000]

I actually miss Reign the Conqueror. It was a very homoerotic S&M type take on Alexander, but it kept me watching.

[Taylor Karras]

Case Closed, E7, S-cry-ed, and Kikaider all would have bombed on Toonami, just my opinion. At least on AS the latter three shows were able to run in full and with openings and closings. And Case Closed got around fifty episodes before AS finally gave up on it, showing that AS has far more patience than CN. Plus we got an awesome five-episode Kikaider OVA airing after the TV series too, and Toonami never would have done that.

Bleach . . . might have fit on Toonami. But the poster who said that the Hollows would give kids nightmares probably isn't too far off the truth. A Toonami-ed Bleach would be regulated to 9:30 CST, no question.

I'm sorry, But I have to disagree, I watched most action and it seems that a Hollow just attacks, The wierd part that may give you nightmares is their world, It was just incorrectly justified for an incorrect demographic and with minor edits can be on Toonami.

[Master Moron]

You know, one central theme here is wanting more adult orientated cartoons.

One show that alludes my understanding why it never got a chance on [AS] is Great Teacher Onizuka (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Teacher_Onizuka).


Why should they? The average Adult Swim audience wouldn't find Great Teacher Onizuka funny. I didn't even find it that funny and I'm an anime fan.

[Knighthammer]

Why should they? The average Adult Swim audience wouldn't find Great Teacher Onizuka funny. I didn't even find it that funny and I'm an anime fan.

You mean to tell me a random teacher from a school going into a students house and pile driving a hole through a wall that supposedly separated an upper class family with a sledge hammer didn't put you in awe?

I think a series that can do that and leave the audience saying "OMG, *WHAT* Did he just do! That takes balls!" is a show that would make the block pretty edgy.

Hell, I can still watch that scene and have my jaw drop.

[Blue]

I haven't been following news all that much, but I just saw what looked like one of the original "all kids out of the pool" bumpers, did I miss something?

[Master Moron]

You mean to tell me a random teacher from a school going into a students house and pile driving a hole through a wall that supposedly separated an upper class family with a sledge hammer didn't put you in awe?

I think a series that can do that and leave the audience saying "OMG, *WHAT* Did he just do! That takes balls!" is a show that would make the block pretty edgy.

Hell, I can still watch that scene and have my jaw drop.

That stuff really doesn't happen all that often, though. To be honest, I don't even remember that scene.

[laactor101]

Why do you guys think AS is dead I mean we all flip out because they air reruns of Pee-Wee and make two more live action shows.

This thread should be dead anyways It's okay the way it is:mad:

[hAzE]

hey this is still open. I have a few
1. Bring back korgoth of barbaria, if you want something adult and not viewable on CS or Toonami, this would fit the bill. This show was everything that should not be seen on TV, and thats why that fits Adult Swim that much more.
2. This is as of now, but inuyasha went for 2 full series runs in a row i think and for all episodes they have thats way too much. They could have fit a few smaller series animes in between, that would have given them much more variety on animes being shown. Perhaps this is a money saving scheme, it doesnt suprise me in the least. Series is almost over, i hope they dont play it over again.

Stop being so greedy and spend money. Whats next, a show where you play youtube.com videos? Be a risktaker. If you have the money to spend on people making internet games, you have money to spend on shows.

There are some shows that i wont mention the names of (if you know my past arguments you know the type of shows i mean) but some look like they were even cheaper in quality then something like the blair witch. At same time there are very few shows like metalocalypse that are better than average animation-wise. I would like to see more shows like the one i just mentioned

[BCVM22]

hey this is still open. I have a few
1. Bring back korgoth of barbaria, if you want something adult and not viewable on CS or Toonami, this would fit the bill. This show was everything that should not be seen on TV, and thats why that fits Adult Swim that much more.

Korgoth was never anything more than a pilot episode to begin with; they can't "bring it back" unless you want to see the one episode over and over again.

Stop being so greedy and spend money. Whats next, a show where you play youtube.com videos? Be a risktaker. If you have the money to spend on people making internet games, you have money to spend on shows.

There are many things inaccurate about these accusations, but what becomes most apparent is that you really don't have any idea how finances at a cable network operate. As such, I suggest you just give it a rest.

This thread died for a reason the first time. Let it go.