Friday Night Premiere Laser Talkback: Storm Hawks [05/25/07]

[Master Moron]

For some reason this show reminds me of Chaotic. Something about the character designs or something.

[Xerroo]

Except this doesn't suck.

[Mad Mod 49]

Well, none of the heroes seem that interesting to me as of yet (though that blond guy is pretty funny) but the villains look cool, particulary Dark Ace and Cyclonis. :evil:

[Shift]

Well, this show is pretty good to very good on all counts; animation and expressions are especially good. The most entertaining hero so far seems to be that green guy (Crane?), but I really hope they're not gonna play the "traitor" card on him, temporarily or otherwise. Cyclonis (not the Decepticon) makes an interesting villainess, but why do I have the feeling there's a bigger head honcho in charge? Then there's that violin gag; what is up with that? Also, it seems Dinobot has been revived. :D

[Xerroo]

Again Mcneil has tons of voices.

[Kyuss]

What I found most entertaining is they are using Hakodoshi aka Chiara Zanni as the main villainess.

In fact, barring Moneca Stori, Kirby Morrow, Jillian Micheaels, and Kelly Sheridan, it appears a vast majority are indeed from the Ocean Group dub company.

I could be wrong...

[Kagetsu]

I never expect much from a "kids on machines" show, but this surprised me. the animation was reminded me of Dragon Booster but a little brighter. My only complaint is I had to very closely and wait for the voice to tell which were girls. At this point the story is a little weak but has time to improve. The character design is interesting and the facial expressions and movement especially the fights is very good. The humour and character voices and personalities are great. The villain being a girl and not some prissy idiot is a nice feature. She seems very sinister.

I think I'm going to like this alot.

[Kyuss]

Kag,

I think it helps to have Chiara voicing a character. Her Hakodoshi was right on the mark in my book.

[bigddan11]

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Sneak peek premiere:
7:30 PM- The Age of Heroes (Part 1)
8 PM- The Age of Heroes (Part 2)

Encores tonight at 10:30 and 11 PM
Saturday at 11 and 11:30 AM
Sunday at 7:30 and 8 PM

Series Premiere June 4


The world of Atmos is under the attack of Cyclonia, and only the Sky Knights stand in the way of them being conquered. When Cyclonia claims Atmos' most powerful aurora stone, the newly formed Sky Knight team known as "The Storm Hawks" most do all they can to prove they're not kids and save the world.

[macattack]

Surprisingly not bad. Much better than than the trailer. It has my interest, now it has to hold it.

Good job by Ocean with the VAing, too. I'm glad CN isn't abandoning them.

[FightingDreamer]

This wasn't half bad. It's not great, but for a show from the guys who made Dragon Booster (a show I despise because it squanders an awesome concept), this is pretty entertaining. I like the art style and designs, and the fight scenes are pretty cool, even if they rely on the old 'everyone-has-parachutes-so-no-one-visibly-dies' death dodger. I like the humor and voice acting as well, especially that weird violin gag.

Overall, I'd give the pilot of Storm Hawks 7/10.

[Kagetsu]

Kag,

I think it helps to have Chiara voicing a character. Her Hakodoshi was right on the mark in my book.
I've not heard of her, but was thinking I'd be looking up their names sooner or later.

[Mad Mod 49]

Upon rewatching I have to say, concerning the villains and heroes:

-While Dark Ace's two goons aren't all that impressive, Dark Ace himself is awesome. :cool: He seems to actually have some nobility to him as well, seeing how he shoved himself in front of the collapsing debris to protect Master Cyclonis. Cyclonis herself is badass too and that echo that ocassionally emits from her voice does make me think that, as Shift thinks, there's some darker force at work here. :evil:

-For the heroes, I really like the blond dude and the big guy, their interaction was hilarious. Geek girl, Green guy, and the blue-haird chick are okay by me. But the lead, Arrow...I must say, he's come across already as a Gary Stu. Out of his intial team, only he does anything in the big battle and even though he loses the fight to Cyclonis (with Dark Ace finishing the job), he just leaps up and saves the day anyway, then acts all cocky about it, even though he wouldn't have even succeed at that without the blue-haired chick. :raven: I'll give him time to improve, but I'm not liking what I see thus far....

[Hyper Shadow X]

The show looks pretty nice.

[bigddan11]

I'm one of those people who actually liked Dragon Booster, though I did fill the show didn't quite live up to it's expectations. One of the reasons I enjoyed it so much was because Nerds attempted to make real life movements throughout their computer animation. Now I can once again enjoy those animations through Sky Hawks, and if these two pilot episodes are anything like what the rest of the series will be, it will say this could be one of CN's best hits. I know I'll be tuning in for premieres four out of the five nights, with the only one I'm debating on tuning in being Camp Lazlo. Storm Hawks should be a great lead-in for Poke'Mon as well.

[Duke]

Eh, it was a decent premiere. Exposition went by way too fast, and the CG animation is decent, though it has the same problems that I have with pretty much every other CG work ever made, so I won't fault this series too badly for that. Aerrow's a pretty weak lead, though.

Probably the most annoying part was when the Dark Ace had about 3 chances to kill Aerrow, yet spared him for no real reason at all. Seemed like a lame plot device to me.

[RoseBusch]

You know what's even better? CN does not produce this! YES!

[bigddan11]

You know what's even better? CN does not produce this! YES!

They were in the closing credits though. It said something like "CN consultant."

I know zap2it and here list these episodes as Pilot, but TV Guide and Cn.com list these episodes as "The Age of Heroes."

[Jeff Harris]

It kind of baffles me that people were, to use the common colloquialism of urban areas, "hatin'" on Storm Hawks sight unseen when it was talked about on the Toonami forums. Then again, it's the Toonami forums, and they're accustomed to anime over there for some odd reason.

I'm an optimist by nature (I know, I'm shocked too), so I kind of had high hopes from this series ever since I first heard about it last year when Cartoon Network greenlit it.

But there was such negativity towards it for no particular reason. Still, it's good that the initial reaction from the first two episodes has been positive. Wish I could have seen it myself.

[Discloner]

Why this show is premiering on 'Fridays' (of all places), then is whisked off to a Mondays at 7 slot and doesn't have a nice cushy weekly Toonami spot is beyond me...

This is a series that screams Toonami. It oozes Toonami's demographic, but isn't dumbed down, badly dubbed or animated, and - here's the shocker - it's actually full of action and FUN. Its the series the block desperately needs to break up the monopolistic hold Anime has on it - and could add some much needed diversity to what (to me at least) seems like a rather stale and stagnate line-up of shows, barring a few examples.

Hell...Nerd Corps even FEELS like the Williams Street of yesteryear. A bunch of rebellious employees trying to make something different - immersive, and fun. Loving it all in the process.

I honestly don't have too many critiques with what was shown tonight. I was slightly annoyed by the occasional frame-rate drop (this is a domestic product...why are there frame-rate drops for timing?) but in the grand scheme of the episode it was nothing compared to the adventure and fun world we were introduced to.

I look forward to seeing more - though I will forever wonder why CN is keeping this away from the one place on their network where it truly feels like it belongs.

Edit: Did anyone else catch if Robert Buckley composed for this? Music reminded me of that from ReBoot and Beast Wars.

[{Shadow}]

What I found most entertaining is they are using Hakodoshi aka Chiara Zanni as the main villainess.
Actually, Chiara Zanni is voicing Piper, the female of the Storm Hawks group, not Cyclonis, who's voiced by Lenore Zann.

Edit: Did anyone else catch if Robert Buckley composed for this? Music reminded me of that from ReBoot and Beast Wars.

Yes, he did.

[ShadowGUN]

I was surprised by this show. The animation look great better than Dragon Booster. The voice acting was great too. I did get a laugh when the raptor leader sound just like Dinobot from Beast Wars (good old Scott Mcneil). The story and the world the characters live on sound interesting.

10/10

[Khurath]

I saw this without having any idea what it was beforehand, yet it seems pretty good. There's a lot of potential to this. The CG art doesn't look awful, the character designs are good all around, and the Dark Ace does have that nice black knight vibe to him.

One question: Is this going to be a serial with some sort of plot arc, or will they just reset the world after every show and keep it episodic? If the former, I'll definitely watch this. If the latter, then it goes down to a maybe.

[RoseBusch]

This was very good, hope CN don't ruin it like Robotboy




And you know what else? CN does NOT produce this. This makes this show even better!


Sorry for putting the same thing, I'm just having fun.

[Sketch]

I wasn't sure what to expect but I was relatively hopeful and early on in the hour I was already hooked. Fun characters, fast action and fight scenes with great choreography along with some humor that didn't feel forced and Ocean Westwood in great form lending their voices to the variety of characters. That alone gave it a similar vibe to Beast Wars and McNeil voicing both a Ratrap type scardy cat and a Dinobot like Raptor beast was just the icing on the cake. Add that to a goth witch who is pretty interesting in her own way and now a femme fatale that could create a minor love triangle (though it seems Piper has a girl crush on her... and that will only make any love triangle more entertaining). And I SO called her helping them out but I thought she would switch sides rather than actually be a spy. The animated world is vibrant and fun and the animation puts Dragon Booster to shame (thank heavens for that because that show's animation is horrid).

I'm infact, very dissapointed that Toonami isn't playing this series. It's nice to give it the same level of exposure as a CN original in a weekday prime time slot but this is without a doubt Toonami material. It's fit the demographic to a T and it's got better action sequences than most of the current Toonami shows do. If Toonami is a block that intends to air the best in action cartoons then Storm Hawks definently should have been on it. But as many already believe that isn't neccessarily Toonami's goal anymore. But one can wonder if we'll ever see another non-anime which isn't a super hero show on Toonami. Heck, I'd take encores of this over reruns of Titans for sure. So they should have at least tried that rather than sticking it on Saturday mornings for reruns.

There really is something special about this show. When I watch Legion, Fantastic Four, Fast Forward, Code LYOKO, The Batman and Ben 10 I enjoy them on a level but this show is right up my alley and I can't wait to see more. It's been too long since I've felt satisfied after watching a cartoon on CN that wasn't a shounen anime I already loved. Probably not since JLU.

I hope it catches on because this could easily be CN's answer to Power Rangers if nothing else. My props to Nerd Corps for making this little number. It has just enough originality to feel fresh and different while overall being familiar territory. I'm also very glad that it's on CN rather than Jetix though I guess Jetix would have been a good home for it and it would have improved Jetix just for being there.

[Kagetsu]

I'm also very glad that it's on CN rather than Jetix though I guess Jetix would have been a good home for it and it would have improved Jetix just for being there. I'm glad too, Jetix took too many of my favs already and it's been awhile since CN has offered something new that had a different animation style. I can see Jetix also taking a pass because it's almost an over lap to Dragon Booster (the animation wasn't that bad, they just didn't use Kitt enough :p ) and ATOM, but this has a much better set of characters and story structure.

[Kyuss]

Actually, Chiara Zanni is voicing Piper, the female of the Storm Hawks group, not Cyclonis, who's voiced by Lenore Zann.

Truly? Because I had a chance to compare the two and they sound very much alike.

If someone with a DVR or similiar equipment wouldn't mind, the Wormgod would like a complete listing of who is actually doing the VAs for this show.

[Kagetsu]

Truly? Because I had a chance to compare the two and they sound very much alike.

If someone with a DVR or similiar equipment wouldn't mind, the Wormgod would like a complete listing of who is actually doing the VAs for this show. lol, I've only got a vcr, *caveman*, but I've taped it just to get asomewhat blurry record of the VA's, it will take me awhile to get back in control of it, so someone may beta me.:sweat:

[Kyuss]

In any case, Kagetsu, I am interested to see if I saw that part right about Chiara Zanni. I was reasonable sure that's what I saw and considering it sounded VERY much like Hakudoshi, (the Empress), I was convinced to my rightness.

I am wondering, however, where it is I've heard "Aero"'s voice before.

[{Shadow}]

Truly? Because I had a chance to compare the two and they sound very much alike.

If someone with a DVR or similiar equipment wouldn't mind, the Wormgod would like a complete listing of who is actually doing the VAs for this show.

Here are VAs for this episode, according to the credits list, your Wormgod-ness:

Sam Vincent - Aerrow/Dark Ace
Matt Hill - Finn
Chiara Zanni - Piper
Scott McNeil - Stork/Repton/Luegy/Advisor
Colin Murdock - Junko/Registrar/Snipe
Brian Drummond - Carver/Gull
Lenore Zann - Master Cyclonis
Cathy Weseluck - Ravess
Nicole Oliver - Starling

[macattack]

I find it amusing that the secondary topic on the 'TMNT on CN' thread is how YTV could succeed in the USA and here we got a YTV show on CN. :p I just hope CN treats YTV programming better than Nick treats Teletoon.

[Sketch]

CN hosted another YTV production called Reboot several years ago and they gave it a better home than any other Canadian production got here. But that was then... and these days aquisitions tend to get the shaft.

[marcnbrian]

CN treated Storm Hawks more like an original than an acquisition....former exec, Terry Kalagian, gave creative notes/guidance throughout the process from the get-go and continues to consult on the series for CN. That may have something to do with the quality level of the final product.

[Kyuss]

Shadow,

It's not that I doubt your truthfulness but considering the fact I've listened intensely to Hakudoshi VA over the years, I wonder if you're not some how mistaken about "Master" Cyclonus.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePHENHZC-ng

Entei and meeting Hakudoushi


You be the judge.

[Kagetsu]

CN treated Storm Hawks more like an original than an acquisition....former exec, Terry Kalagian, gave creative notes/guidance throughout the process from the get-go and continues to consult on the series for CN. That may have something to do with the quality level of the final product. :sad: I've formally found CN giving guidance (CodeLyoko) a negative, as well as Disney giving guidance to WITCH. But this was good, so maybe they were right,

[{Shadow}]

Shadow,

It's not that I doubt your truthfulness but considering the fact I've listened intensely to Hakudoshi VA over the years, I wonder if you're not some how mistaken about "Master" Cyclonus.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePHENHZC-ng

Entei and meeting Hakudoushi


You be the judge.
I'll admit, Hakudoshi and Cyclonis sound similar, but the end credits state otherwise. Unless they had their roles reversed on the list by mistake, Cyclonis is voiced by someone else.

[Ultra8]

Interesting show with a fair amount of potential. I'll give it a few episodes to wow me, but it's shown a moderate start. Liked the voilin gag and the badass empress(you know you're in trouble when the villian re-assembles her damaged weapon with relative ease).
The VA's were good, I recognized a lot of them but could only place 3 of them.

[danreyes1]

I was pleasantly surprised. For the first time since Foster's, I'm actually looking forward to a new cartoon on Cartoon Network. This is the most naturalistic 3D-trying-to-mimic-2D animation I have ever seen. The story has me intrigued, and I love the visual style of the world they live in. I don't know much of the characters yet, but they may grow on me (at least none of them have annoyed me yet). And were those Beast Wars voices I heard? And the thing I was worried about most, the comedy, didn't get in the way of the action (except for one small moment - the villain playing a violin while attacking, randomly), which to me is a vast improvement over alot of the actiuon cartoon produced recently. In all, it turned out better that I thought, and I'm looking forward to its premier in June.

[Railith]

The evil guys are so much cooler than the good guys in this show.

I don't like it that the main guys supermove just started magically working in the end. He shouldn't have been able to be so good so fast but that's personal preference.

Storm Hawks has a much stronger opening than Dragon Booster did which is good because I kinda liked Dragon Booster.

[SummerShadow]

Just saw it today (I'm based in England) it looks fun and I agree about the villains being interesting. The Dark Ace particularly :D

[Xerroo]

Looks like Sammy's doing a double roll. As the hero and the badass dark ace.

[Kyuss]

Xerro,

It's no different than McNeil's history of talking to himself for minutes at a time. He (Sam) and McNeil can correlate their experiences being both the good guy AND the bad guy.

[Xerroo]

Agreed.

[FriendlyMushroom]

While the premiere had its flaws, the show looks like it has potential. I missed part of it, but I'm impressed. This is one of the best things on CN for a while. And, as others have said, it is very well suited for Toonami. It may end up on there after a while.

I'll keep an eye on this show.

[EroSennin]

It was a pretty good start but did anyone else get a major Star Wars vibe? At first they're flying through the forest and it reminds me of the speeder bike chase. The all of a sudden the bike turns into an X-wing! Not to mention the lightsaver type weapons.

[SummerShadow]

It was a pretty good start but did anyone else get a major Star Wars vibe? At first they're flying through the forest and it reminds me of the speeder bike chase. The all of a sudden the bike turns into an X-wing! Not to mention the lightsaver type weapons. Yes I'd imagine that the original Star Wars was a major source of insperation for the animators. Not like that's a bad thing, provided the show finds it's own two feet.

[YoshiAngemon]

I can't believe this show is from the SAME people who created Dragon Booster. If I were to say it would impress me, I lied! I'm not impressed, but then, I'm a tough audience!:D Nice line from Torn from Jak 3.

[Stormhawkerz]

i really enjoyed the show. have u been to the website (http://forums.toonzone.net/stormhawks.com)? im also starting a fan site (http://forums.toonzone.net/stormhawkers.com) which will be up and running in a few days.

[Jyose]

To say this show was "alright" or even "watchable" is the overstatement of the century.

I couldn't find one redeeming feature in the whole episode. The show's plot is admittedly quite interesting, but it is bogged down by terrible characters, terrible designs, and stupid dialogue that reeks of cheap disney shows.

> Asides really weaken the plot
When the cast is placed in dangerous situation, do we really need exchanges like. "OK, OPEN FIRE! just don't hit anyone we know lol!"

>Characters are hackneyed and cliched
Gung-ho leader character, check
Token brainy ethnic character, check
arrogant comic relief guy, check
sweet souled, giant dumbass, check
cowardly comic relief guy, check

This still has potential to be an awesome show, Hopefully, they play with the genre a little instead of going the teen titans route and just having a bunch of convenient desasters occur to teach the audience a lesson.

[Stormhawkerz]

i thought it was good. u didnt like radar?

[Jyose]

Thanks for reminding me

"cute" furry creature that thinks it's people, check.

[SkullRing]

Actually, I kinda agree with Jyose.

I actually noticed the cliched characters while watching it.

[Serithe]

I was impressed with the rendering and animation, but I wholeheartedly agree with Jyose that the characters fall into nearly every archetype in the RPG-esque-team-adventure book.

"Aerrow" (sheesh) is the worst offender. How many times have we seen this daring spiky-haired young male hero? How much do you want to bet there's going to be an inevitable romance between him and the token female "Piper"? How much you want to bet the badass-on-the-fringe-of-the-group "Starling" is going to learn some lessons about the value of friendship?

I can pretty much plot all the character arcs right now going by only paragraph-long character descriptions, and they'd probably be pretty accurate. That's just sad.

[bigddan11]

If you missed the sneak preview, then you should know "The Age of Heroes, Part 1" is now available on CN Video.

[Kyuss]

Does this include an end credits page or just "to be continued?"

[bigddan11]

Does this include an end credits page or just "to be continued?"
Are you talking about online? I don't know, because I haven't watched it online, but since they are officially regarded as two episodes, I'd assume it has a credits page.

[Kyuss]

Bigdan,

Yes I was referring to the online streaming. I had a chance to watch it myself and did indeed find an end credits part. I'm still troubled by the fact Master Cyclonus isn't Chiara Zanni. I am confused because it very much her voice I hear when I compared the two (Cyclonus and Hakudoushi.)

Very odd...

[Jyose]

Am I the only one who noticed the blaring framerate issues?

[SummerShadow]

Yes the heroes are somewhat cliché (somewhat being an understatement) but that didn’t surprise me.

I thought the villains were cool (truth be told I was cheering them on in places) and was also pleasantly surprised that the Stormhawks *weren’t* made an official squadron.

[Serithe]

I also think the villains looked more interesting than the heroes, though I'm wondering what exactly Cyclonis' motivation is. Is she extending her empire just 'cuz she can?

That said, a bow that doubles as a violin is kind of cool.

[Kyuss]

Serithe,

It's in all probability she wants to return her kingdom's former might to what it once was before the introduction of the Sky Knights.

[HEATXZ]

I watch and it was good i like the green catman his name is Strok? right?

[Kyuss]

It is Stork but it can see with his personality how one might consider Stroke.

[macattack]

I also noticed that Starling has an English accent for some reason. I suppose that badasses require an English accent nowadays?

I'm half-hoping they'll throw us off guard and have Aerrow pair up with Starling instead of Piper. :p

Seriously, I think Starling will end up becoming the mentor for the Storm Hawks. She's going to be the adult of the group and the wise, experienced voice to rein them in (oft-unsuccessfully for the sake of THE PLOT) and show them how their mistakes could get them in trouble. She might form a love triangle with Aerrow and Piper but I don't really see that.

Piper seems to be the worst offender of clichedness besides Aerrow. How many genius girl mechanics/pilots must we need these days? Couldn't Piper be the laid-back slacker and Fenn be the genius machanic/pilot, or is that too non-PC?

But the series seems that it'll be a fun half-hour of entertainment. That's all I ask for.

[Serithe]

Of the character designs, I think I like Starling's best. The "lone wolf" is typically a male archetype, and I like that they deviated a bit from the norm in that regard.

If they just ditched the Storm Hawks goofs and had Starling as the protagonist, this series would be much improved.

[Kyuss]

As an evil god, I judge the story more by the antagonists involved more than the protagonists. That said, while I think the villains are decent, there's more that could be done to make this show stand out from others. One such way is having the Dark Ace (off screen perhaps), kill a minor or medium character, or have Master Cyclonus dispatch a minion in a fairly horrific (off screen) fashion.

[SummerShadow]

I like that Cyclonis doesn’t seem to be a manipulative femme fatale (massive cliché) but rather a dark lord/evil genius an area typically held by male villains.

A few people have theories that she’s possessed based upon the echo in her voice and the title “master” I really hope that’s not the case.

[Kurokawa41]

Honestly to me the show looks like another anime rip-off only with CG (blegch) and even more cliches.

Though, I do like that green-skinned guy.

[creativerealms]

Well I'm glad it's getting more exposier then Dragon Hunters is. I mean I could have seen this show as a lost gem on Cartoon Network like happened with Gragon Hunters. However Storm Hawks seems promoted enough and this "supper preview" thing at Seven is a pretty good idea. I just hope the rest of the series stays this good.

[Kyuss]

A few people have theories that she’s possessed based upon the echo in her voice and the title “master” I really hope that’s not the case.

And just what's wrong with possession? It worked out great for Linda Blair, Lauren Linney and even D.Gray-man have some good qualities to them. I think possession shouldn't be looked on as "ooh poor unfortunate soul" but perhaps more like a symbiotic relationship, at least with Cyclonus' case.

[SummerShadow]

it takes a competent female villain and demotes her to a flunky or worse still, a victim.

[Kyuss]

Flunky? Hardly. I'm of the opinion it's a dual usage villainy.

[SummerShadow]

Flunky? Hardly. I'm of the opinion it's a dual usage villainy. It’s more that I don’t trust most television writers to fully exploit an equal symbiotic relationship and would invariably settle for making the “dark entity” the dominant presence in Cyclonis’s body. It's been done...

[Kyuss]

Summer,

Perhaps but here's my belief the writers will try to not over play the possession and merely make it a sort of equal partnership. If not have Cyclonis try to be the more dominant personality.

[SummerShadow]

Do you know something I don’t?

[Demonique]

I'll admit, Hakudoshi and Cyclonis sound similar, but the end credits state otherwise. Unless they had their roles reversed on the list by mistake, Cyclonis is voiced by someone else.

Cyclonis is definately voiced by Lenore Zahn. She voiced Rogue in the 90s X-Men cartoon and I can hear the similarities in their voices (Cyclonis is minus the terrible Southern accent though)

"Aerrow" (sheesh) is the worst offender. How many times have we seen this daring spiky-haired young male hero? How much do you want to bet there's going to be an inevitable romance between him and the token female "Piper"?

Thankfully that didn't happen. I can't abide the Aerrow/Piper ship, it's so cliche and irritating.

I watch and it was good i like the green catman his name is Strok? right?

According to an interview the show's creator, Ace Fipke, gave Stork is an amphibian, not a mammal. This is backed up by Repton calling him a salamander and Spitz calling him a toad in the ep Fire and Ice.

I'm half-hoping they'll throw us off guard and have Aerrow pair up with Starling instead of Piper.

Oh gawd no, Starling/Aerrow is another ship on my dislike list. I'd like to see her hook up with a raptor (if not Repton (yes I know he killed off the Interceptors, just give a valid reason for a romance between them) then another raptor, either Repton's skinny brother, or one of the random raptors that appear from time to time.) Then again, Stork seemed like he liked her in one ep, Starling/Stork would be nice, but I'd rather see Stork with Piper.
I don't really care who hooks up with who on this show as long as it's not Aerrow/Piper, Starling/Aerrow or Starling/Harrier.