Outlaw Star On Adult Swim...

[Vinnie]

I think it deservres a spot on adult swin does anybody else agree with me??? i mean c'mon? 12:30? how about they play it at a better time when people can actually watch it...? :rolleyes:

[Chibi Kageboshi]

As long as it's edited to Toonami standards it deserves no spot on there.

[Vinnie]

hmmm i know... but i think they should play the GOOD stuff like the hto spring episode... :D

[Sheamon]

No.

Outlaw Star, at its heart, is not an adult show. Its a show for teenagers. At the core, its the typical bounty hunter quest show with big bad villains and ultra cool heroes. It has wacky and lame aspects like the cactus thing. It offers barely anything to 'discuss and disect' like an adult show should. And so on. That doesn't make it bad at all, not by a long shot. But it does make it a show that not many adults, especially non-anime fans are gonna like. And in the end, the content of the show is vastly over-glorified. Its not this bastion of 'offensive-ness' that many of the Toonami watchers like to portray it as.

And that doesn't even take into account the fact that they're airing the little kid version.

[AgentMaxX]

Ya but uncut, it would be great on Adult Swim Action. I dont think id watch it otherwise.

[Vinnie]

Originally posted by AgentMaxX
Ya but uncut, it would be great on Adult Swim Action. I dont think id watch it otherwise.
finally someone agrees...

[ohmrbill]

I would like to see it less cut on "Adult" Swim Action...



...but that's only because I don't want to buy the DVD's. :D

Sheamon is right about it not being an adult show, but then again, how "adult" is ATHF, Sealab, Brak Show, and SGC2C? In a true adult block, I would say no, it doesn't belong under any circumstances; but in this block, it would fit right in.

That's only if it would be less edited, though. A Y-7 version of anything doesn't belong in even this block.

[Wyloms]

Well If Outlaw Star is Teenage material then they should have no problem showing it uncut on adult swim.

[Andy Mancini]

While I don't think that "Outlaw Star" (or Tenchi Muyo!, for that matter), will be totally uncut, I think more will be left in. (Read: Don't expect Malfina be topless and Ryoko to swear profusely.)
The FCC probably wouldn't stand for it. (They made them change "Hell" to "HFIL" in "Dragon Ball Z" for Pete's sake!) We'll probably see the previously unaired "Outlaw Star" episode "Hot Springs Planet" and we'll see Nobiyuki (Tenchi's dad) as more of a "dirty old man" than he is on the Toonami edit, but that's about it.

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[ohmrbill]

The FCC no longer regulates what's on TV, and FUNi changed Hell to HFIL on their OWN, the FCC had nothing to do with it.

Also, OS, Tenchi, Gundam, and Pilot Candidate will be Y7. The network reps already announced that it would cost too much money to go back and remove edits. We'll be seeing the same thing that we did on Toonami. They also said that they will not air Hot Springs Planet Tenrei because of "objectional content." :rolleyes:

[Vinnie]

Originally posted by ohmrbill
The FCC no longer regulates what's on TV, and FUNi changed Hell to HFIL on their OWN, the FCC had nothing to do with it.

Also, OS, Tenchi, Gundam, and Pilot Candidate will be Y7. The network reps already announced that it would cost too much money to go back and remove edits. We'll be seeing the same thing that we did on Toonami. They also said that they will not air Hot Springs Planet Tenrei because of "objectional content." :rolleyes:
:mad: :rolleyes: that sucks!

[Evil Dr. Reef]

It's a real shame, because "Hot Springs Planet Tenrei" is the funniest episode of the entire series.

[JustJack]

Might I point out, to those of us who are confused? Adult Swim Action is basically teen-aimed anime-action shows. None of the shows currently schedualled for ASAction are really for Adults. UNLESS they didn't edit them. BTW, are they at least going to cuss on ASA? Heh...I would wish that since Tenchi is on so late, they'd leave it uncut...heheh...wishful thinking, huh?

[Vinnie]

Originally posted by Evil Dr. Reef
It's a real shame, because "Hot Springs Planet Tenrei" is the funniest episode of the entire series.
Oh i know! the 'Diry Pictures Of Urt' then they EXPLODE when the time has elapsed in the video and how gene beats her in a ping-pong match! LOL :D ;)

[Sheamon]

I would like to see it less cut on "Adult" Swim Action...

...but that's only because I don't want to buy the DVD's.

Sheamon is right about it not being an adult show, but then again, how "adult" is ATHF, Sealab, Brak Show, and SGC2C? In a true adult block, I would say no, it doesn't belong under any circumstances; but in this block, it would fit right in.

I agree, an Outlaw Star with sensible edits (*****, the 3 seconds of nudity in the hot springs episode) would fit the current block perfectly. Of course just cause it fits doesn't mean its good for the block. Regardless of the editing job, if the blocks filled with shows like Tenchi, Outlaw Star, Candidate for Goddess, etc... it should be called 'Teenage' Swim, not Adult Swim :rolleyes:

Of course its not even at that level. :(

[Gyro]

I think more teenagers watch adult swim than adults anyway

[Vinnie]

Originally posted by Gyro
I think more teenagers watch adult swim than adults anyway
I agree... but they said it will cost too much money to un-edit it and then play it on adult swim... :mad:

[Gyro]

I agree... but they said it will cost too much money to un-edit it and then play it on adult swim... then why show it on adult swim if it's edited toward children?

[Vinnie]

Originally posted by Gyro
then why show it on adult swim if it's edited toward children?
because with the un-edited version its not kiddie...

[ohmrbill]

Originally posted by Gyro
then why show it on adult swim if it's edited toward children?

Because they don't have enough adult action shows to fill ASA right now. Now, you're probably going to ask "then why even have an adult action block now?" Apparently (and I'm not sure how true this is) the suits at CN told Williams Street that if they wanted an adult action block, that they would have do make one now, or never. So, here we are stuck with Y7 kiddie shows until WS can get a hold of more adult anime.

[Joe Tully]

CN is so incredibly afraid of running anything even slightly controversial it's incredible. Anyone who follows the classic cartoons on CN can tell you that they avoid playing anything even remotely un-PC until the middle of the night on weekends. My hopes are that this is a matter of just testing the waters and seeing how many pissed off parents call them up to complain, and then if things seem to go okay they can crank things up little by little until the block becomes what we expect it to be.

[Killtacular]

I think more teenagers watch adult swim than adults anyway

Man, you are right about that.

CN is so incredibly afraid of running anything even slightly controversial it's incredible. Anyone who follows the classic cartoons on CN can tell you that they avoid playing anything even remotely un-PC until the middle of the night on weekends.

You think CN is afraid? No. No, no, no, no.

WARNER BROTHERS is afraid. FAMOUS STUDIOS is afraid. MGM is afraid.

They don't WANT their uncut toons being played during the day. Hell, they didn't even WANT to GIVE the uncut material to CN at all, a few years back.

It's baby steps. Baby steps.

[Sheamon]

>>Because they don't have enough adult action shows to fill ASA right now. Now, you're probably going to ask "then why even have an adult action block now?" Apparently (and I'm not sure how true this is) the suits at CN told Williams Street that if they wanted an adult action block, that they would have do make one now, or never. So, here we are stuck with Y7 kiddie shows until WS can get a hold of more adult anime.

With no proof of these theories since there hasn't been any official statements by the network about the block outside of one where they blatantly said they were targetting it towards adults, I doubt their validity. There's plenty of great adult animes(not to mention american animation) out there, and if CN had the guts to show TV-MA and TV-14 shows on 'adult' blocks I'm sure they could get them pretty easily. From all reports I've heard from this very site, the ratings for Adult Swim are very good. I doubt any of this 'do it now or Adult Swim is gone forever!!!' theories have any validity at all. It makes about as much sense as cancelling Dragonball Z.

[ohmrbill]

1) They can't just snap their fingers and magically have shows to air. No matter how "easy" it is to acquire something, it still takes time.

2) No one said it was a "do it now or Adult Swim is gone forever" thing. This has nothing to do with the regular AS. If memory serves correct, February/March is sweeps month. It was probably a "if you want to make an AS action block, then do it now or we'll find something else to permanently fill the Saturday night schedule that will get just as good ratings." Yes, AS gets good ratings, but it doesn't get the best ratings on the network. Cartoon Cartoons still get better ratings.

And no, I'm not claiming this as truth. I'm just saying it makes a lot more sense than permanently placing Y7 shows in a supposedly adult block.

3) You're forgetting that Kellner now manages CN. :p ;)

[Vinnie]

Originally posted by Matt Wilson


Man, you are right about that.

yup... WAY more teens watch it than adults...

[Killtacular]

With no proof of these theories since there hasn't been any official statements by the network about the block outside of one where they blatantly said they were targetting it towards adults, I doubt their validity.
There's no "theory". I was TOLD by someone from Turner that it was now or never. Are you saying I'm wrong?

There's plenty of great adult animes(not to mention american animation) out there, and if CN had the guts to show TV-MA and TV-14 shows on 'adult' blocks I'm sure they could get them pretty easily.
Describe "easy". They'll get them in time. But it won't be "easy". And especially not cheap.

I doubt any of this 'do it now or Adult Swim is gone forever!!!' theories have any validity at all.
...I didn't say that. Noone said that.

They either had to put up Adult Swim Action now, or there would never BE an Adult Swim Action. I never said Adult Swim would be removed as a consequence.

[Vinnie]

Originally posted by Matt Wilson

There's no "theory". I was TOLD by someone from Turner that it was now or never. Are you saying I'm wrong?


Describe "easy". They'll get them in time. But it won't be "easy". And especially not cheap.


...I didn't say that. Noone said that.

They either had to put up Adult Swim Action now, or there would never BE an Adult Swim Action. I never said Adult Swim would be removed as a consequence.
I dont mean to be off topci but.... I Have NEVER seen somebody reply with that many quotes at one time!

[Sheamon]

>>No one said it was a "do it now or Adult Swim is gone forever" thing. This has nothing to do with the regular AS. If memory serves correct, February/March is sweeps month. It was probably a "if you want to make an AS action block, then do it now or we'll find something else to permanently fill the Saturday night schedule that will get just as good ratings." Yes, AS gets good ratings, but it doesn't get the best ratings on the network. Cartoon Cartoons still get better ratings.

Unfortunately I think its gonna blow up in their face though. Sure, us fanatics at this board will watch the block (the new stuff anyway for me, like hell I'm watching Tenchi and Outlaw Star), but I can see many of the 18+ crowd that CN wants simply turning the channel when they see that TV-Y7 rating in the top and hear 'destroy' instead of 'kill'.

>>There's no "theory". I was TOLD by someone from Turner that it was now or never. Are you saying I'm wrong?

No, but I've heard this 'they're filler' argument from a bunch of different people with never anything to back it up. Glad to see that you can do what they didn't.

>>Describe "easy". They'll get them in time. But it won't be "easy". And especially not cheap

Easier in context to the way some people present it. If the money is available and CN has the guts to air more than TV-PG material I could certainly see CN in a much better position than in the one now where its all stuff from Bandai and Funi.

>>...I didn't say that. Noone said that.

>>They either had to put up Adult Swim Action now, or there would never BE an Adult Swim Action. I never said Adult Swim would be removed as a consequence.

You're right, thats a typo on my part. I should have said saturday/action adult swim.

[KingKoopa]

I don't really want to question them, but I think there should be alot of questioning as to their choice of shows. Pilot Candidate and Tenchi Muyo?! I can see Outlaw Star and Gundam 0083, but Pilot Candidate and Tenchi Muyo should be replaced with things they already have that are better for adults, like uncut Gundam Wing (you wouldn't believe how adults would probably like the show, although uncut MSG WOULD be better) and Big O.

By the way, when does CN make all its announcements? I haven't heard anything yet.

[Killtacular]

If the money is available and CN has the guts to air more than TV-PG material I could certainly see CN in a much better position than in the one now where its all stuff from Bandai and Funi.

Apparently Cartoon Network doesn't pay for anime. Williams Street pays for anime. Cartoon Network DOES pay for the acquisitions for the comedy Adult Swim block, and would pay to renew said shows, but anime is all in the hands of Williams Street's budget.

Unfortunately, to keep the network suits from controlling what they can and cannot do on Adult Swim, Williams Street purposefully sets their budget low. As a consequence, they can only afford so many animes a year. They could only afford one new anime for Adult Swim Action, and the other shows were already on deck for Toonami, so they had enough new material to get some decent ratings to allow them to slightly increase their budget, but still keep suits uninvolved.

[Sheamon]

Thanks for clearing things up.

Apparently Cartoon Network doesn't pay for anime. Williams Street pays for anime. Cartoon Network DOES pay for the acquisitions for the comedy Adult Swim block, and would pay to renew said shows, but anime is all in the hands of Williams Street's budget.

Unfortunately, to keep the network suits from controlling what they can and cannot do on Adult Swim, Williams Street purposefully sets their budget low. As a consequence, they can only afford so many animes a year.

This I don't get. Look at the block. Can you honestly say it looks like one that Williams Street is getting good control over? Cause we're in a situation now, where according to what you said, WS could either:
1) Air anime that might be more edited because of the higher up's inputs, but in turn get a lot more money so they could license more stuff for the airwaves and perhaps go back and do re-edits on Outlaw Star/Tenchi since the 'excuse' at this point is that they don't have the money to do so.
2) Get one new show that might be more maturely edited, and air everything else at a 7 year old level because they would rather have more control than more money, but in turn that ends up forcing them to air stuff targetted towards little kids.
It doesn't make sense. At this point in time, despite the fact that WS would have less control, Adult Swim Action would end up being much better than the current state.