Naruto Shipuuden Season 1 Talkback

[Mett]

My friend from Japan said the weekly Jump didnt come out there and said there wouldnt be naruto manga this week :(

[Kyuss]

Mett,

Really? You sure your friend isn't confusing this week with last week's "Golden week" in Japan?

[Mett]

I'll ask him again but I'm pretty sure he said it didnt come out, and i threw a fit :p

[Kyuss]

Well if that's the case I'll be MIGHTILY unhappy too.

[Malex]

Considering my sources have confirmed the latest Bleach chapter has been released, the Weekly Jump was published this week.

I am curious how Naruto will handle seeing the reason why he trained and why Sasuke went renagade after 2.5 years.

[bigdeath]

Well, just watch eppy 13 and finally a FIGHT. Looks like the good stuff starts next week. This may be a 3-5 eppy fight though :eek:

Will Guy remmber who that fish guy is...stay tune for the next exciting episode of DBZ...eer, NARUTO.

[Mett]

So which day does it come out over in Japan? Maybe he meant last week because i asked him at the beginning of this week thinking it came out at the start of the week.

[Kyuss]

Mett,

Most of the manga releases for Naruto and Shonen Jump come out Wednesdays I believe.

Malex,

I just want Naruto to kick the snot out of Itachi. It's the same feeling I get when I read WWH. I want the Hulk to smash Tony "Snark." to bloody kibble.

[Mett]

Oh well I asked him earlier then wednesday, so I guess he was refering to last week. Sorry for the scare of no manga this week, Kyuss.

[Kyuss]

Mett,

I don't scare. I do however get mightily annoyed. However, since it was simple misunderstanding, I'll let it slide for now.

[bigdeath]

Mett,
I don't scare. I do however get mightily annoyed. However, since it was simple misunderstanding, I'll let it slide for now.

I translate that as kyuss shaking in his boots :evil:

[Kyuss]

bigdeath,

I'm slow to anger but trust me, you're bringing it.

[Karl Olson]

Everyone knock it off or I'm handing out warnings to everyone. Bannings if your prior record calls for it.

-Karl Olson
Head Anime Forum Moderator

[Kyuss]

*obey the one called Karl since it is an overgod...*

[Karl Olson]

*obey the one called Karl since it is an overgod...*

Eh, atleast I'm not an admin. :anime:

[Kyuss]

Karl,

No administration is usually in Hell. I believe it's next door to Mephistopheles' court house.

[Captain Highwind]

Episode 10

Hm. I didn't realize Itachi appeared so early in Part II. I was still wondering if he'd changed at all for the longest time.

Freaky Fish Guy, full of chakra? I'll have to finish watching the episodes of his previous appearance, but that doesn't seem right to me. He just screams "flunky."

Funny how Gai kept acting like he remembered him, then asking who he was in the next breadth. :anime:

Sheesh guys, quit eating-up episode time. It's Itachi, we get it.

Next episode: Ride that wave, Lee! --For Love and Justice! >:[

[Kyuss]

Highwind,

Well if you recall Kisame didn't have anyone with Byakugan eyes fighting him. The only eye based kekki genki(sp) was Kakashi and he was out of it before any real fight started.

Yeah but I think if it was me, I'd be like "Itachi..." then go all Inigo Montoya on him.

[SS5goku]

It would be great to see Naruto and Kisame go all out, since they have about the same amount of Chakra. But, I guess they left Itachi to tend to "Team Kakshie" since Itachi know how to focus his chakra better, which would make him a stronger opponent. Plus I said it before I’m so excited to see Naruto fight with his full strength intending to kill his opponent. Plus when does episode 13 air?

Wonder who would win between Sasuke and Naruto, and wonder who has more chakra now?

[Kyuss]

SS

It airs today I believe. At least I'm reasonable sure episode 13 is this week. I believe 12 was last week after all.

Btw you'll get a partial answer to that in about...20-30 episodes from now.

[SS5goku]

SS

It airs today I believe. At least I'm reasonable sure episode 13 is this week. I believe 12 was last week after all.

Btw you'll get a partial answer to that in about...20-30 episodes from now.


Yea i know that but

I though Naruto fought Orchimarau

[beren]

It dropped last night.

[Kyuss]

Beren,

That it did.

SS5,

No that comes later. There's still about...two more fights (for both teams) between these two members of Akatasuki and another set that I think you'll recognize as well.

[SS5goku]

Beren,

That it did.

SS5,

No that comes later. There's still about...two more fights (for both teams) between these two members of Akatasuki and another set that I think you'll recognize as well.


Kyuss I know the team still have to go through that one guy Dedora or something like that to save Gaara. But I mean when the team go up against Orchmara and Sasuke, is that the arc you are talkin about, or is it after the arc?

[Rolling Cloud]

Kyuss I know the team still have to go through that one guy Dedora or something like that to save Gaara. But I mean when the team go up against Orchmara and Sasuke, is that the arc you are talkin about, or is it after the arc?

It's in the next arc!

Anyway, I'm enjoying this season so far although Gaara getting his demon removed is awful to watch.

[Kyuss]

Cloud is right, it's the next arc.

The whole Rescue Garaa arc takes a significant amount of time but then comes the arc many have waited for since the first episode.

[SS5goku]

Cloud is right, it's the next arc.

The whole Rescue Garaa arc takes a significant amount of time but then comes the arc many have waited for since the first episode.

Thats what i meant in my first post, I thought Sasuke and Naruto do't even fight, Sakura fights him, while Naruto fights Orchimarau. Well thats what I herd or read anyways.

[Kyuss]

SS5,

Your information is not exactly accurate but it's only in the details that its inaccurate. Otherwise you are correct about the structure of that arc, mostly.

[Raven-X]

I love this arc! The characters are amazingly well designed. Although Itachi doesn't look as good as he did in the past in my opinion. I'm loving the opening/closing themes and the plot is so good. I mean these fights right now are very interesting, although I am enjoying the Kisame fight much more at the moment. I can't wait for the next episode!

[SS5goku]

SS5,

Your information is not exactly accurate but it's only in the details that its inaccurate. Otherwise you are correct about the structure of that arc, mostly.

So I'm basically right Sasuke and Naruto dont have a big fight like they did the first time back in episodes 130-135.

Back to this week episode, it was nice seeing Gai actin like he don't remember Kiasme, and plus what happen there. I mean Kakshie attacks Itachi than Itachi sends a shadow clone after Naruto and then Naruto uses the Rasgan on him to destroy his clone. Then somehow we have Sakura, Granny, and Kakshie turning into Itachi. Is this some type of Itachi mind ninjutsu trick, that he's polaying on Naruto?

[FinnMacCool]

Of all the people for Gai not to remember, it happens to be the only half-shark guy with a giant, bandage wrapped sword in the entire Naruto universe?

[Kaiser0120]

Anyone else notice the minor changes in the opening? Watch the scene where Gaara is reaching out to the camera. There's fighting behind him, including Sasori! Then, check out the statue behind the Akatsuki in their line-up scene. Wasn't there in the first few episodes~ >:3

[Dead_Ninja_111]

Anyone else notice the minor changes in the opening? Watch the scene where Gaara is reaching out to the camera. There's fighting behind him, including Sasori! Then, check out the statue behind the Akatsuki in their line-up scene. Wasn't there in the first few episodes~ >:3


The statue behind them really throws it off for me now, I mean they were just fine the way they were, now that scene lost all it's..."coolness"

As much as it was a clone I just loved seeing Naruto shove a rasengan (sp) right into Itachi. :anime: Pure pawnage.

[SS5goku]

When is episode 14 going to show, I mean I usually see the newest episode on Friday. So I was wondering when is the episode going to air, for I can watch it.

[Rolling Cloud]

When is episode 14 going to show, I mean I usually see the newest episode on Friday. So I was wondering when is the episode going to air, for I can watch it.

It's already out

[purplehairedwonder]

Good episode and though the slow pacing is still noticeable, it's still not bugging me all that much. Gai pretty much rules this episode, which is ironic since the title was, "Naruto's Growth," though Naruto got a few good scenes of his own. The next episode preview was pretty fantastic though :p

[SS5goku]

What was happening to Naruto, I mean we had Kakshei, Sakura, and Sasuke comeing out of him, is that some type of Genjustu that Itachi is performing, or is that some type of Naruto new technique.

[Malex]

It's genjutsu, champ.

[FireStarterLE]

Anyone else notice the minor changes in the opening? Watch the scene where Gaara is reaching out to the camera. There's fighting behind him, including Sasori! Then, check out the statue behind the Akatsuki in their line-up scene. Wasn't there in the first few episodes~ >:3

also right when the intro is about to end and Naruto walks into the desert, Team Guy as well as Temari/Kankuro and Chiyo have been added as well.

Watched the past 4 episodes yesterday to catch up, it was cool to finally here Hidan in a one-on-one basis.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Gai vs Kisame is pretty cool, although I felt like the anime didn't do a great job at adapting the 5 Sharks attack. It lost some of its cool, imho.

Still, a good episode, and I'm looking forward to next week's.

[letsplaynikaboo]

i'm so excited for shipuuden 15! we're finally gonna get to see naruto's skills. ^_^

[Dead_Ninja_111]

Nice, Gai is just as sweet as ever in his fight against Kisame, at least there was a lot of action in this episode. I'd give it a solid 10/10

[SS5goku]

Hopefully we will get to see more of Naruto this time; it should be a great battle between Itachi and Naruto. Even though theirs no way Naruto can beat Itachi at the level he’s at right now but give it some time and I’m sure Naruto will reach Itachi level and prob. will surpass it one day.

[bigdeath]

This is my favorite so far of the new naruto eppys. Looks like naruto did beat Itachi, sort of ;)

[beren]

I totally forgot about that technique and had to go back and check just to make sure I got it right.

I guess the reason I forgot was because he never uses this technique again. This one seems pretty powerfull, it makes me wonder what was the point behind powering up the rasengan even more?

[Strollymonster]

That was some pretty f'd up genjutsu, there.

Seriously, Sakura as a chestburster? Yikes.

One question, though...why didn't Jiraiya teach Naruto the 'kai' release that other ninja like Sakura use? Seems like it would be simpler and a lot less chakra-intensive...

Also, just how did Neji break out of the Water Prison? I thought he might try Kaiten, but I didn't see him do anything besides prepare for the 64-hit strike. Secondly, why the hell did he wait so long? Tenten could've been dead.

[Dead_Ninja_111]

Naruto pawning Itachi was just pure awesomeness, even though it wasn't the real deal... sadly enough... that would of been 2 more annoying members out of the way...

Seeing Naruto cry made me want to shed a tear for a bit there.

[SigmasonicX]

As pointed out at the GameFAQs boards, it really is silly that a filler scene of Lee and Guy using the Fifth Gate is more impressive than Guy opening the sixth gate.

See here. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CET4G_cxEY)

[Mynd Hed]

As pointed out at the GameFAQs boards, it really is silly that a filler scene of Lee and Guy using the Fifth Gate is more impressive than Guy opening the sixth gate.

See here. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CET4G_cxEY)

Although to be fair, at least it lacked any living pink wooden training dummies.

[Kyuss]

I decided to hold off posting my initial responses until this fight was over.

The Gai/Kisame fight was interesting but as shown by others not nearly as cool as Gai versus Lee. Then again this was a faux Kisame, so perhaps we shouldn't judge this fight that harshly.

Itachi's genjustu proves to once again be the backbreaker for many a shinobi. My guess as to why the apparently simpler version of releasing didn't work was it was too late to do so. Releasing a genjustu proves to be very difficult. As a semi-experienced being who has dealt with duplicitous types, it's often hard to tell when you are in the midst of an illusion until it's much too late to do something about it. Jiraya's technique is probably a last resort technique that an experienced shinobi might use when caught in something that isn't Tsukuyomi.

As for the improved Rasengan, I imagine the reason Naruto didn't use it again is that a) it's proven powerful but ultimately very chakra consuming. Using two Shadow Clones AND an unstable version of a justu that has potentially lethal side effects might be reason to not use it that often. The best comparison I can attribute to it is Chidori and/or Lighting Blade/Raikari. Those use up a lot of chakra, and while those tend to be more subtle techniques than Rasengan, they still can do tremendous damage to the user as much as they do to their respective opponents. Also consider the fact that we learn later it's an incomplete jutsu might want to make the use of that again a little less likely. Mostly I believe it's due to the greater version's instability that Naruto relies on it less.

Once again I too am glad to hear from one of the "newer" members that will be show cased in the upcoming arc. Hidan might be unstable but Kord's Balls, the man is an immortal killing machine!

Thus spake the Wormgod.

[Mr. Toto]

Although animated well, Guy's Asa Kujaku was quite anticlimactic to the fight. That definitely should have ended episode 14. What I'm more disappointed about is Naruto's Oodama Rasengan. It was done in such a half-assed way, I'm disappointed. The expanding and glowing light just looked stupid, and I'm really missing how the anime used to handle things like this.

[bigdeath]

Although animated well, Guy's Asa Kujaku was quite anticlimactic to the fight. That definitely should have ended episode 14. What I'm more disappointed about is Naruto's Oodama Rasengan. It was done in such a half-assed way, I'm disappointed. The expanding and glowing light just looked stupid, and I'm really missing how the anime used to handle things like this.

Well, sorry to say this but get use to it becuase I don't think its going to improve. :sad:

[Mr. Toto]

Well, sorry to say this but get use to it becuase I don't think its going to improve. :sad:
Well, if the quality never improves, I could always just drop the show. But I don't want to do that.

I guess I'm just really let down that it's not anything special at all. Bleach's quality is consistent and great just about every episode. I hope Naruto Shippuuden can reach that point soon. The pacing is still terrible, and the choices in effects could be improved.

The animation for episode 15 was actually pretty good for most scenes, but that entire Oodama Rasengan scene had the faces of the characters off model and didn't seem special at all. Also, what was up with that large glowing explosion as a result? Rasengan has been doing some pretty ridiculous things since the filler occurred.

[Kaiser0120]

Am I the only one who noticed that Kakashi's Raikiri didn't make the correct sound effect? Or has it always been like that?

And yeah, the way they handled the Oodama Rasengan was just... blagh. :\

[beren]

I agree 100%, the way it was handled was crap, basicly they took the 2 panels from the manga and animated it. The build up to it was beautyfull, but the execution of the move itself was terrible, they should have not just copied strait from the manga (it looks really awesome in the manga, but thats because it is sitting still).

[bigdeath]

personaly, I love Naruto Shippuuden. In fact, I think this show is far better than the origanal show. I actually think the pacing in this show is faster than the old naruto. But hey, what would I know? :shrug: I don't know why people think the manga is so great, I always liked anime naruto better than the manga. How else would I get to see that great fight between Tenten and Temari? :)

[Icer]

I actually think the pacing in this show is faster than the old naruto.
Definitely wrong on that count. Shippuuden is doing like 1-1.5 chapters per episode where as the original anime covered 2-3 chapters per episode.

This one in comparison moves very slow, but I felt the original moved to fast. Yet to find a balance that I would like, but at least this way the anime wont catch up to the manga.

[Rolling Cloud]

Definitely wrong on that count. Shippuuden is doing like 1-1.5 chapters per episode where as the original anime covered 2-3 chapters per episode.

This one in comparison moves very slow, but I felt the original moved to fast. Yet to find a balance that I would like, but at least this way the manga wont catch up to the anime.

Yeah, but at this rate it's going to take to like 2010 to see the Hidan and Kazuku arc

[Kyuss]

Cloud,

I'm not certain that's the case. I'm more of the opinion that considering we've gotten at least the opening fight for this arc done, that particular arc we'll be more likely seen in say middle 2008-early 2009. Also perhaps by then the manga will have gotten close to some resolutions as well as answering other lingering questions as well.

Now the dub for Shippuden, that's a different tiger entirely. 2010 is an excellent educated guess on others part.

[Rolling Cloud]

Cloud,

I'm not certain that's the case. I'm more of the opinion that considering we've gotten at least the opening fight for this arc done, that particular arc we'll be more likely seen in say middle 2008-early 2009. Also perhaps by then the manga will have gotten close to some resolutions as well as answering other lingering questions as well.

Now the dub for Shippuden, that's a different tiger entirely. 2010 is an excellent educated guess on others part.

I'm not worried about the dub version. Mid 2008-Early '09, that's good.

[Kyuss]

Cloud,

I admit my estimate isn't exactly conservative, but based on the fact the chapters that introduce Hidan and Kakazu, come just after the end of the second "arc" if you will, it's pretty easy to see 2008 being in the ballpark. 2009 is probably, at worst, if anything should slow down production. Considering I'm basing this one the fact we are getting 1 to 1.5 chapters an episode...and we have about....less than 10-15 chapter left of this arc, another 8 I believe for the "short" arc, and then around...15-20 for the "second" arc, before we get to where you were discussing.... considering this is barely June, 2008 seems a very probable date in my book.

[Rolling Cloud]

Cloud,

I admit my estimate isn't exactly conservative,it's pretty easy to see 2008 being in the ballpark. 2009 is probably, at worst, if anything should slow down production. Considering I'm basing this one the fact we are getting 1 to 1.5 chapters an episode...and we have about....less than 10-15 chapter left of this arc, another 8 I believe for the "short" arc, and then around...15-20 for the "second" arc, before we get to where you were discussing.... considering this is barely June, 2008 seems a very probable date in my book.

2008? Got it, I'll strive for then.

[Kyuss]

Cloud,

Allow me to give you some perspective then. Hidan and Kakazu, appear in the manga chapter 313. We are currently some where around 260-261. At that rate of showing, we have, by my estimate, 53-54 episodes to be shown. At the rate of one a week, that's 18 months, by my estimate.

[bigdeath]

I still say that this show is more exciting. Maybe its becuase I've been waiting for it for so long.

[Rolling Cloud]

Cloud,

Allow me to give you some perspective then. Hidan and Kakazu, appear in the manga chapter 313. We are currently some where around 260-261. At that rate of showing, we have, by my estimate, 53-54 episodes to be shown. At the rate of one a week, that's 18 months, by my estimate.

That clears things up better than anything else did. thanks.

[Kyuss]

Cloud,

My pleasure.

bigdeath,

I too agree this show is better than the first half. Mostly because of what's going on in the manga currently will be seen soon enough by all.

[Kaiser0120]

I think I might just stop watching the show at this point. The character models are off half the time, the pacing is incredibly slow, the music isn't nearly as energetic as it was before, the animation is filler quality, and it's not getting any better.

[Kyuss]

Kaiser,

Just wait until the pass this arc and the second arc. I'm sure it will pick up again.

[Kaiser0120]

Kaiser,

Just wait until the pass this arc and the second arc. I'm sure it will pick up again.

Well, atleast judging by the preview, things are a lot better next episode. Atleast, how things look.

[Kyuss]

Kaiser,

Which episode are we discussing, 15 or 16?

[Kaiser0120]

Kaiser,

Which episode are we discussing, 15 or 16?

The episode preview for episode 17, that is at the end of 16.

[Kyuss]

Kaiser,

My apologies then. I was confused at to which episode you were referring to. Thank you for clearing up that miscue.

[beren]

I would like to lobby an official complaint, it is a bout a hot springs incident involving Temari with a distinct lack of fan service.

[Kyuss]

Beren,

Perhaps the fan service people will be in luck when we have some down time with Naruto and Sakura. That or when 2009 rolls around and a certain manga scene get shown.

[beren]

This isn't so major a spoiler, but it is shocking.

I hope you arn't talking about that yaoi scene with Sasuke and Sai, because I could do with out that.

[Kaiser0120]

This isn't so major a spoiler, but it is shocking.

I hope you arn't talking about that yaoi scene with Sasuke and Sai, because I could do with out that.

I hope it stays. ;3

[Kyuss]

Beren,

Well that indeed, but the stuff that came before with Konohomaru's little trick.

I too hope it stays... If only to shock the rest of the US.

[Kaiser0120]

Beren,

Well that indeed, but the stuff that came before with Konohomaru's little trick.

I too hope it stays... If only to shock the rest of the US.

Oh, ya know, I haven't even thought about that. Man, it would be so awesome if that actually made it into the American broadcast. ;.;

[Strollymonster]

Just watched 16, wasn't too bad. They're still spending too much time in Suna for my liking, but whatever.

So the new Rasengan is still a bit too hard for Naruto to use easily. I did like the little bit where Sakura was crying because she was worried about Naruto.

However, I think the best part of the episode was the "Konoha Tourism" bit at the end after the next episode preview. Temari in the hotsprings yelling at Naruto for peeking, and then her reaction to the idea of a sand bath :D

[purplehairedwonder]

I did like the little bit where Sakura was crying because she was worried about Naruto.That was a really nice scene, I agree.

I was most impressed by the music in the opening scene. That was gorgeous.
Temari in the hotsprings yelling at Naruto for peeking, and then her reaction to the idea of a sand bath :DAha, that was great.

Also, Zetsu ftcreepy.

[Dead_Ninja_111]

However, I think the best part of the episode was the "Konoha Tourism" bit at the end after the next episode preview. Temari in the hotsprings yelling at Naruto for peeking, and then her reaction to the idea of a sand bath :D


That was indeed very cute. Naruto being a little perv. :sweat:

Who would of thought.

[FlyByNite77]

That was indeed very cute. Naruto being a little perv. :sweat:

Who would of thought.

You lie with dogs and you get fleas.

He's been with Jiraiya for 2 and 1/2 years ;)

[Dead_Ninja_111]

You lie with dogs and you get fleas.

He's been with Jiraiya for 2 and 1/2 years ;)

Like sensei like student. :D '

[letsplaynikaboo]

i'm still pretty appalled that it was only 30%. o_o

[Kyuss]

As we move closer and closer to the end of this arc, I keep waiting to see what more can be done, animation wise, to improve on what's shown.

So far I do know I want to see the chapter before the last two with Kisame and the four tails being animated.

In any case episode 17 should be around soon.

[Kazuya Prower]

Is it me or did it look like they were flying when they were really hopping from tree branch to tree branch?

[Kyuss]

Kaz,

I had a similiar thought but I've long since developed an immunity to some forms of in world logic.

That said, my favorite part of this particular episode had to have been when we saw the two major opponents of the next arc speaking.

I'm sincerely looking forward to that.

Btw Cloud, while this does significantly impact my prediction (the delay between 17 and 18), it doesn't change the actual time frame of 18 months isn't that significantly alter other than it's possible it's now closer to 18 months come the end of this one. I might be wrong but that's my estimate, 2008 for sure.

[Rolling Cloud]

That said, my favorite part of this particular episode had to have been when we saw the two major opponents of the next arc speaking.

They talk? Nice!

Btw Cloud, while this does significantly impact my prediction (the delay between 17 and 18), it doesn't change the actual time frame of 18 months isn't that significantly alter other than it's possible it's now closer to 18 months come the end of this one. I might be wrong but that's my estimate, 2008 for sure.

18 months? Oh well, not much I can do about it anyways. :(

[Kyuss]

Cloud,

It would be 17 if they hadn't put such a stop gap airing between 17 and 18.

And yes the two favorites of ours do have some speaking time.

[Taylor]

I want to konw why studio perriot started a second series of Naruto instead of continuing the first naruto series?

[TnAdct1]

My best guess: with the series having a "time jump", Studio Perriot decided to go the same route as Dragon Ball and split the "time jump" in the manga into two different shows.

[Kyuss]

Indeed, it's most likely since this time skip deals with the changes in characters over 2 years, they felt it necessary to not have the same show with slightly altered characters.

[Mynd Hed]

They probably also wanted to be able to have a really clear breaking point between the filler and the canon; by renaming the show, they can get a lot more publicity to let folks who quit watching during the filler know that it's time to check it out again.

[Animeforever'04]

Cloud,

It would be 17 if they hadn't put such a stop gap airing between 17 and 18.

And yes the two favorites of ours do have some speaking time.

wait wait!?
are you saying the next naruto episode is not airing for 18 months or am i missing something:confused:

[FlyByNite77]

wait wait!?
are you saying the next naruto episode is not airing for 18 months or am i missing something:confused:

two weeks with no naruto episodes. I wouldn't really call that a huge gap though.

[Kyuss]

Animeforever,

When I was addressing Cloud, it was to point out how far along in the series it would be before this arc and the next before the appearance of the two the more remarkable Atasuki members that Cloud and I enjoy.

Fly,

It's a substantive gap. That and the following gap between 18 and 19 do contribute to my belief this will ensure that the arc Cloud and I are interested in will be late 2008 now.

[Rolling Cloud]

Cloud,

It would be 17 if they hadn't put such a stop gap airing between 17 and 18.

And yes the two favorites of ours do have some speaking time.

I'll check out their voices sometime tomorrow.

[Kyuss]

Cloud,

I honestly didn't spent that long with them, but they sounded decent. Again I'd probably have to watch it again to be sure, but they seemed like they should, compared to the manga.

[Captain Highwind]

Episode 18

Gai-Neji staredown!

Hm? ...HM? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!!!!

[Mynd Hed]

Oy. I haven't been complaining quite as hard as some about how slow Shippuden's been moving, but this is just ridiculous.

Character 1: We have to determine what kind of seal it is.

Character 2: Should we try to find what type of seal it is before we open it?

Character 1: Yes. We can't open it until we figure out what kind of seal it is.

Character 3: It's a five-way seal.

Character 2: What's a five-way seal?

Character 3: We have to destroy four other scrolls simultaneously.

Character 1: How many scrolls?

Character 3: Four scrolls.

Character 2: In what order should we destroy them?

Character 1: At the same time.

Character 3: You mean simultaneously?

...What. The. HELL.

"Somebody throw a pie or something!"

[Malex]

If you think that's bad, get a load of what happens when we get to the manga chapters that go slower than this (which is very soon).

[beren]

Gai says it is a race against the clock and proceeds to waste time like no tommorow. This isn't as bad as the filler, but it is getting there.

[TnAdct1]

Hm? ...HM? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!!!! (waits for someone to do use that as a race car engine sound effect a la Konata from Lucky Star (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avh8EKcv9l4) )

[Icer]

Oy. I haven't been complaining quite as hard as some about how slow Shippuden's been moving, but this is just ridiculous.

Character 1: We have to determine what kind of seal it is.

Character 2: Should we try to find what type of seal it is before we open it?

Character 1: Yes. We can't open it until we figure out what kind of seal it is.

Character 3: It's a five-way seal.

Character 2: What's a five-way seal?

Character 3: We have to destroy four other scrolls simultaneously.

Character 1: How many scrolls?

Character 3: Four scrolls.

Character 2: In what order should we destroy them?

Character 1: At the same time.

Character 3: You mean simultaneously?

...What. The. HELL.

"Somebody throw a pie or something!"
That whole scene was very reminiscent of Dragonball Z in regards to pacing. At this rate we never have to worry about filler "arcs" because they've adopted the 1 chapter per episode philosophy.

[Kyuss]

True but let's hope that will change after the end of this arc.

Well I should say after the end of THIS arc and the short arc that follows this one.

[Knighthammer]

The series just feels like its dragging on WAAAAAAAAAAAAY too much these days. I'm half tempted to stop watching for a few weeks but god knows when I do action will explode.

Heck, I thought the last three weeks were passover episodes setting the scene for a big fight. I keep tuning in to the next week expecting gore and blood to find another passing episode.

Grrr

This makes Hammer unhappy =(

[GWOtaku]

Yeah, even I have to say that this one was very, VERY slow. Usually its well directed and they do a good job of keeping it interesting but this one definitely dragged. It may be a part of being a ninja, but watching them solve enemy traps isn't nearly as interesting as ninjas getting into a smackdown with each other. I was a fan of that Gai-Neji staredown though, Gai's personality is always good for comic relief.

[purplehairedwonder]

I'm in agreement that that pacing in this episode was ridiculously slow, though the Gai-Neji staredown was hilarious. As was Naruto's attempt to get his team to do the same thing. The highlight for me, though, was the "Conversation with Akatsuki" at the end:

Deidara: [Itachi's] good looking. Seems like he'd be more popular with the ladies than you... Is something wrong?
Kisame: After all, I am strangely colored.
Deidara: That really bothers you, doesn't it?

[Kyuss]

Purple,

That was/is a funny moment. Now we wait a week before the next episode...

Supposedly we'll get a new ED for the show then.

My hope is we get started to ending this arc and moving on towards the next arc. At least before episode 22-25.

[Knighthammer]

Does anyone know if there is an episode this week or did it get shoved around again ?

[Rolling Cloud]

No episode this week, forget the reason.

[TnAdct1]

There's no episode this week (nor on the week of July 12th).

[FlyByNite77]

Heh these episodes remind you of just how drawn-out this battle sequence really is... :sweat: and with the japanese scheduling of it which seems to be every 2 weeks because of whatever is going on during the summer (baseball games or specials or something I guess) it's going to seem even more dragged out.

But the new ending animation rocks. Naruto School Days FTW!!!!

Rock Lee with his fireball soccer kick of doom and then Hinata confessing to Naruto school anime style is so sweet heh.

[djthomp]

Yeah, the new ending was pretty awesome. I was pretty sick of the last ending too, so nice to see a new one.

So no new episode next week? Thats sad.

[Knighthammer]

There's no episode this week (nor on the week of July 12th).

I am gonna chalk all the showing interruptions up to "No Filler Conspiracy Theory"

[TnAdct1]

I am gonna chalk all the showing interruptions up to "No Filler Conspiracy Theory" Well, the way things are going, the anime will probably need to put some filler (as in "anime only scenes", not whole episodes) to cover the Team Gai members' fights with their clones, as the bits where Gai and his team are able to defeat the clones were not part of the manga.

[purplehairedwonder]

I actually thought this week was t lot better in pacing than compared to last episode. It actually felt like we're getting somewhere now.

The new ending was... interesting. Not sure what to make of it yet. I need to watch it a few more times.

[Knighthammer]

After watching the episode, I am still really disappointed at the progression. It feels like we haven't had a REALLY GOOD fight since Diedra snatched up Gaara.

Every episode keeps building and building and building. I keep expecting the NEXT episode to be the big fight and then tune in the next week to be disappointed =(.

[Mr. Toto]

The pacing is still rather ridiculous. I'm upset with how slowly the show is moving, when the pace could be picked up.

Also, the music director needs to get his head in the game. Nearly every scene feels boring because of the choice in music. I'm still griping about the lack of music when Guy used Morning Peacock. But on the plus side, the song they played at the very end of 19 was great.

[Knighthammer]

The pacing is still rather ridiculous. I'm upset with how slowly the show is moving, when the pace could be picked up.

Also, the music director needs to get his head in the game. Nearly every scene feels boring because of the choice in music. I'm still griping about the lack of music when Guy used Morning Peacock. But on the plus side, the song they played at the very end of 19 was great.


I actually think the music choice is kick ass *BUT* since the animators keep going for these moments of surprise and intrigue with no resolution, the music buries the moment.

[bigdeath]

After watching the episode, I am still really disappointed at the progression. It feels like we haven't had a REALLY GOOD fight since Diedra snatched up Gaara.

Every episode keeps building and building and building. I keep expecting the NEXT episode to be the big fight and then tune in the next week to be disappointed =(.

I agree, I'm hoping for a real fight...err...two WEEKS FROM NOW! :sweat:

The new ending begs the question:

Will hinata ever confess her fellings to naruto?

[Malex]

When Sasuke, Shikamaru, and Neji help Naruto in a brawl...

Seriously, this ending has got me thinking that a high school drama could be made from Naruto just like EVA.

I'll comment on an episode when something good happens.

[Knighthammer]

I'll comment on an episode when something good happens.

I guess we won't have the pleasure of hearing your thoughts on whats going on till September at this rate =(.

[kaine23]

New ED is pretty cool.

[pdracox23]

No episode 20 this week? That would be 2 weeks in a row of no new episodes! what's going on schedule wise?

[Kyuss]

Funny I was under the impression there was an episode 20 this week.

[Funkatron]

just slow this week

[Kyuss]

Well this is the culmination of this arc, as some are aware...

[kidx]

So is there an episode today or not? Im lost here:confused:

[Captain Zechs]

Wtf. These episodes lately seriously make me want to bash my head against the wall. I can't stand these staring contests and this wasted time with talk. Naruto has been made of fail lately.

[MessyB]

You're crazy. The pacing for all of Shipuuden has been amazing. The action is at the perfect level where you can appreciate the detailed, vibrant imagery, fluid animation, graceful choreography, and wonderful score. Sure, each week you're left wanting more, but only because each episode is so compelling. Twenty episodes in and I've never been left feeling unsatisfied.

[Rolling Cloud]

You're crazy. The pacing for all of Shipuuden has been amazing. The action is at the perfect level where you can appreciate the detailed, vibrant imagery, fluid animation, graceful choreography, and wonderful score. Sure, each week you're left wanting more, but only because each episode is so compelling. Twenty episodes in and I've never been left feeling unsatisfied.

Do you realize that they're only using 1 to 1.5 chapters an episode? The pacing is pretty sucky.

[MessyB]

Good. If you tell a certain amount of the story in one manga chapter a week, you can tell the same amount in one anime episode a week. I love the pacing in Shipuuden. If all you care about are cramming all the major plot points into as little time as possible you might as well be reading the Cliff notes.

[Captain Zechs]

Uhm. It isn't that. It is these lame staring contests they always have. Instead of fighting, they have to stare, and stare, and stare at each other. And then, when they do fight, we get them twirling in the air like idiots, I mean...seriously.

[Christopher Soul]

Its either that or get back to filler faster.

[Captain Zechs]

Uhm. This is on the same level as filler, for me, at the moment, so...either or.

[MessyB]

Are you trolling? I'm guessing you don't watch much ballet or wire-fu. The needle-dodging was amazingly fluid. During the 'staring contents', pay attention to the background and the score, the craftsmanship of Shipuuden has been phenomenal.

[Rolling Cloud]

Are you trolling? I'm guessing you don't watch much ballet or wire-fu. The needle-dodging was amazingly fluid. During the 'staring contents', pay attention to the background and the score, the craftsmanship of Shipuuden has been phenomenal.

Dude, Please. Compare the slow-as-hell pacing to the fluid, quick pacing of part 1 of Naruto. How fast did the Itachi arc go? 5 episodes, but if it went at Shippuden pacing, it would have taken as long as 10-15 episodes. :/

[MessyB]

Obviously Naruto I was paced faster. And was worse-off for it, not just for the two damn years of increasingly terrible and meaningless filler, but the quality of the animation and other artistic factors suffered. All stories, even Shonen, are better slow-brewed.

[Kaiser0120]

Obviously Naruto I was paced faster. And was worse-off for it, not just for the two damn years of increasingly terrible and meaningless filler, but the quality of the animation and other artistic factors suffered. All stories, even Shonen, are better slow-brewed.

Except, you know, when nothing feels dramatic or urgent because of how much time they're wasting to draw out each scene, as well as how much they have to repeat the music.

[Kaiser0120]

Post deleted.

Or, we got used to the show we loved and it was suddenly, radically changed into something different. Slower paced, the same music over and over again, off-character designs, a total lack of urgency...

But you don't care, so forget it.

[Mynd Hed]

Keep it nice, folks. Clearly people have some very different opinions of how the difference in pacing between Naruto and Shippuden has affected the quality of the show, but let's remember to stay respectful of one another.

[Mugen]

I see that Studio Pierrot doesn't want to go back filler land. Meanwhile, Bleach is cramming chapters into every episode. You can tell there are two different teams at Pierrot.:sweat:

[Mr. Toto]

To be honest, I don't think I would mind the pacing as much if the animation wasn't so mediocre half the time. It looks pretty much as bad as the filler. In episode 20, Chiyo looked more consistent than Sakura did. Also, Sakura's charge towards Sasori at the end? Boo.

Remember how well the series was drawn for the entirety of the Tsunade arc? The Sound Five arc as a whole seemed to only have a few episodes that didn't look too great. I think it'll be a while before we can return to that kind of quality.

[bigdeath]

To be honest, I don't think I would mind the pacing as much if the animation wasn't so mediocre half the time. It looks pretty much as bad as the filler. In episode 20, Chiyo looked more consistent than Sakura did. Also, Sakura's charge towards Sasori at the end? Boo.

Remember how well the series was drawn for the entirety of the Tsunade arc? The Sound Five arc as a whole seemed to only have a few episodes that didn't look too great. I think it'll be a while before we can return to that kind of quality.

To tell you the truth, I can't tell when the animation quality drops as people claim. I guess I'm blessed. As the saying goes, ignorance is bliss! :sweat:

[beren]

Give me a break that needle dodging scene was way to long and way to repetitive, it reminded me of bad anime from the 80s. The pacing is too slow, there is no urgency, they need to rethink how they are doing this.

[Captain Zechs]

Oh and lets not forget Naruto screaming "I WILL GET GAARA BACK" 10 times. Argh, it just frustrates me how much they are destroying this show. I purposely skipped nearly all of the filler...and I come back to this?!?!?

[Kyuss]

Well there is the arc after this. Perhaps that will be more encouraging.

[beren]

This arc is would be pretty good, I mean if they weren't totally ruining it. Don't know why you think they will change their stripes by the next one.

Lets have another 10 minute conversation where the while the characters fly in the air, or another 2 panel dodging sequence take 2 minutes.

[Captain Highwind]

Episode 20...mmm!

I found last episode the worst as far as pacing goes. While Guy's co. are carefully-realizing that they're looking at a trap...y'know, instead of running, the only thing Kakashi's co. does is separate, and Naruto jumps onto the gateway arche to scream 'Gaara!'

But enough about that.

At least here, Sakura and Granny get to do stuff!

I have to say though, the animation for the needle-dodging was very unimaginative; just still frames. They had all that budget saved over from conversation, now dammit, put those storyboarders to work!

Footnotes:

I'm beginning to wonder if Kishimoto drew those illustrations for the ending... >>

I'm glad they're beginning to mix up those ending bumps. I was getting sick of listening to Lee talk about Guy-sensei.

[Kurokawa41]

On the subject of pacing...

An action show can be slow-paced, and that can be good so less filler is added, but the fight scenes should not be slow. I hate slow-motion with a passion because I like seeing a fight how fast it is meant to be seen. I actually am not quite caught up on Shippuuden yet (getting there) so I can't honestly say how the more recent episodes have been, but that's just my take on that matter.

[Nate_River]

My high hopes for shippuden are going way down with this arc and its slow pace, though you never know, they may just throw one right at us when we least expect it, or at least I'd like to think that way,

Here's to hoping they do more than one chapter an episode... cause if they dont' then man this really will be one long arc.... and the many more to come. were's those 1 hour specials when you need them? :sweat:

[Mynd Hed]

I hate slow-motion with a passion because I like seeing a fight how fast it is meant to be seen.

Who's to say how fast a fight is MEANT to be seen, though? Technically speaking, it was originally "meant" to be seen however fast or slow any individual reader of manga cared to read it.

Not that I don't agree that slow fight scenes can be annoying, mind you. It's just that arguing that point on the basis of how it's "meant" to be seen is problematic when you're talking about something based on a format (manga in this case, or any form of the printed word for that matter) that has literally no limitations on on how fast or slow its pacing can be. Some readers pore over the action scenes, drinking in every detail of the art, and some skim through very quickly just to get the general flow of the scene. Me, I tend to do both-- one quick read-through to see what happens, and then another slow one to pick up the nuances. It's really a matter of personal interpretation.

Just me being nitpicky.

[beren]

Wheter or not you read it fast or slow needle dodging should be done fast. Combat is quick.

[Speedy Boris]

Jeez, as someone who thought the pacing in the original Naruto was very slow, I can't imagine how lethargic it must be in this new series.

[Captain Highwind]

Wheter or not you read it fast or slow needle dodging should be done fast. Combat is quick.

It's supposed to be beautiful. [/Yumichika]

And all they were doing was twitching around for 2-3 frame cycles.

[Kurokawa41]

Who's to say how fast a fight is MEANT to be seen, though? Technically speaking, it was originally "meant" to be seen however fast or slow any individual reader of manga cared to read it.

Not that I don't agree that slow fight scenes can be annoying, mind you. It's just that arguing that point on the basis of how it's "meant" to be seen is problematic when you're talking about something based on a format (manga in this case, or any form of the printed word for that matter) that has literally no limitations on on how fast or slow its pacing can be. Some readers pore over the action scenes, drinking in every detail of the art, and some skim through very quickly just to get the general flow of the scene. Me, I tend to do both-- one quick read-through to see what happens, and then another slow one to pick up the nuances. It's really a matter of personal interpretation.

Just me being nitpicky.

I read all of my manga (not just the fight scenes) fairly quickly, so I think most anime is slow compared to the manga (like BLEACH.) Fight scenes seem more fluid and seem as if they have more substance (because with slow-motion you get less action in one scene) if they are fast. This is why I liked the fight between Ichigo and Byakuya. It wasn't some like slow-motion showing Ichigo's movements, you actually saw him as fast as he was going.

[Captain Highwind]

Ichigo v. Grimmjow animated ftw!

[bigdeath]

Well, if you guys are so pessimistic about the show than why are you still watching it. I don't see how naruto is going to change its style anytime soon and if you don't like, well, you don't have to watch it. I have no problem with people voicing their opinion, I just don't want this topic to become the: "Nartuo Shipuuden sucks" rant every time a new eppy comes out. The pace is not speeding up so get use to it or at least stop talking about its slowness. We got the point already.

This reminds me of the begining of the bleach talkbacks where almost all that was discussed was how much people hated the VA. :sweat:

[beren]

I think that enough fans collectively ***** world wide they might do something about it. Maybe one of the producers of the show stumbles onto this site and realizes what fool he has been.

[Captain Highwind]

Assuming he lives in the same region. Or is vacationing here.

[bigdeath]

I think that enough fans collectively ***** world wide they might do something about it. Maybe one of the producers of the show stumbles onto this site and realizes what fool he has been.

I belive that all the preteens that watch this show don't care about its pace and so there is no chance of the pace of the show changing ever since the preteens (or whatver the correct term is) are what naruto is marketed to.

[Funkatron]

The problem is the pacing of the manga lagged on to begin with. With the fact they are dragging the anime to stop from catching up, we're getting hit twice.

[Kyuss]

Jeez, as someone who thought the pacing in the original Naruto was very slow, I can't imagine how lethargic it must be in this new series.

It's not as lethargic as one might think.

Bigdeath,

People and indeed most mortals seem in a race to get to the end. When they get there they are all screaming the same thing. "It's too short!"

Beren,

Perhaps I think with better art direction and possibly with more action that is to come (along with deeper characterizations), this show might start to pick up for some.

[Icer]

Naruto Shippuunden in 20 episodes has covered chapters 245-265, so 1 chapter an episode. It is beyond slow. Like crawling actually

[beren]

It's not as lethargic as one might think.
Beren,

Perhaps I think with better art direction and possibly with more action that is to come (along with deeper characterizations), this show might start to pick up for some.

They have turned beer into water, maybe if they start with wine they can make cola?

[Kyuss]

Beren,

I fail to follow the logic in that. As I recall, it was another deity that turned wine into water. Beer wasn't accepted back then, and cola had yet to be invented.

Therefore I fail to see the logic or even the premise of your statement.

[mikestorm]

Just a comment regarding the action going on right now.

The doubles that Team Gai are fighting are a perfect example of how Naruto's kage bunshin should work. What's the point of summoning a hundred shadow clones that (for the past 130 episodes anyway) pop like balloons when you could summon one that can take a punch.

[beren]

Just a comment regarding the action going on right now.

The doubles that Team Gai are fighting are a perfect example of how Naruto's kage bunshin should work. What's the point of summoning a hundred shadow clones that (for the past 130 episodes anyway) pop like balloons when you could summon one that can take a punch.

Because according to Yamato the point of the kage bunshin jutsu is to scout out dangerous areas without putting yourself in harms way, they are not intended to be used for combat

[pdracox23]

how bout we not talk about pacing but the episodes. Episode 21 was awesome. Grandma using Sakura as a puppet is fricking awesome. I don't read the manga and i'm fine with the anime. Next week we get a summer special 2 episodes yay :)

[mikestorm]

Because according to Yamato the point of the kage bunshin jutsu is to scout out dangerous areas without putting yourself in harms way, they are not intended to be used for combat

Then perhaps Masashi Kishimoto should listen to Yamato as well.

I would agree with that assessment. In fact, that is actually a brilliant use for the kage bunshin jutsu. However, I have yet to see it utilized in that manner in a legitimate battle scenario. So far, Naruto has used it for full frontal assaults (repeatedly and with incredibly anticlimactic and predictable results) or as a crutch to help with the rasegnan.

[Wounded_Dragon]

Then perhaps Masashi Kishimoto should listen to Yamato as well.

I would agree with that assessment. In fact, that is actually a brilliant use for the kage bunshin jutsu. However, I have yet to see it utilized in that manner in a legitimate battle scenario. So far, Naruto has used it for full frontal assaults (repeatedly and with incredibly anticlimactic and predictable results) or as a crutch to help with the rasegnan.

Well, it does help Naruto compensate for speed deficiency and increases unpredictability. Still, he does tend to be unimaginative with them unless the story calls for something different.

[All-Star 1.5]

Then perhaps Masashi Kishimoto should listen to Yamato as well.

I would agree with that assessment. In fact, that is actually a brilliant use for the kage bunshin jutsu. However, I have yet to see it utilized in that manner in a legitimate battle scenario. So far, Naruto has used it for full frontal assaults (repeatedly and with incredibly anticlimactic and predictable results) or as a crutch to help with the rasegnan.

Yeah, you only see Naruto using in that way. I think it's because of all the chakra he has because not to many characters use it at all.

[FinnMacCool]

Then perhaps Masashi Kishimoto should listen to Yamato as well.

I would agree with that assessment. In fact, that is actually a brilliant use for the kage bunshin jutsu. However, I have yet to see it utilized in that manner in a legitimate battle scenario. So far, Naruto has used it for full frontal assaults (repeatedly and with incredibly anticlimactic and predictable results) or as a crutch to help with the rasegnan.

Scouting is the intended use of shadow clones, but that's because they're too much of a drain on stamina for anyone but Naruto too use so frivolously. It's like Jiraiya said: normal ninja training and techniques, which focus on conserving chakra, are not a good fit for Naruto, who always seems able to summon a little more energy whenever the situation calls for it.

[Captain Zechs]

So...we go from Naruto yelling about Gaara...to Grandma Chiyo yelling about Sakura. WONDERFUL!

Did we really need to waste all that time with the third Kazekage? Seriously.

Ugh. This pacing just drives me insane.

[Captain Highwind]

Episode 21

LOL

Sasori = Cloud Strife

[bigdeath]

Episode 21

LOL

Sasori = Cloud Strife

Funny. :anime:

Oh well, this is fun. If you want a fast pace fighting show then watch claymore. That anime manages to fit a huge amout of story backed up with some great fights with plenty of twist in the story in each eppy. :anime:

[letsplaynikaboo]

i think EP 21 was probably the best episode so far! just because towards the end sakura started getting all badass and threw her montrous punches everywhere. ^_^ but it's started to drag on now..

[Meh]

So...we go from Naruto yelling about Gaara...to Grandma Chiyo yelling about Sakura. WONDERFUL!

Did we really need to waste all that time with the third Kazekage? Seriously.

Ugh. This pacing just drives me insane.
Seriously. Yes, her name is Sakura, how many times are you going to yell it in one sentence ffs? The pacing is indeed ridiculous now, at first it was interesting to see the slower face to face confrontations, but when the last episode went almost no where, it really started to tick me off.

BTW, what's with the animation? It's like the budget was cut in half for this episode. There were so many anatomical mistakes and perspective mistakes that I thought that perhaps I was the one animating it and I forgot to get paid for it.

[Rolling Cloud]

BTW, what's with the animation? It's like the budget was cut in half for this episode. There were so many anatomical mistakes and perspective mistakes that I thought that perhaps I was the one animating it and I forgot to get paid for it.

Different episodes get different animation teams, some are good while some royally suck.

[Scirel]

So... we have officially reached slowy mcslowville in terms of pacing. Each episode has about 8 minutes worth of new content, and the other 8 minutes is people staring at each other and in lesser fights that make no progress....

Geez... Although, i will admit that the pacing was FINALLY good in the newest ep, the one with sasori's past.

[bigdeath]

The new eppys been out since yesterday. It seems Sakura has toughen up a bit. Its about time. And once again, nothing happens in the other fights. :sweat:

[letsplaynikaboo]

The new eppys been out since yesterday. It seems Sakura has toughen up a bit. Its about time. And once again, nothing happens in the other fights. :sweat:
well said. also, i'm glad they're actually starting to show some of the training she's done.

[Captain Highwind]

Crap-- 22, 23, AND 24 have aired? Where have I been? O_o

No complainin' about pacing here. :sweat:

[Malex]

All right, stuff happened. The sad part is that only Sakura's fight is only one doing something interesting. The animation team could try better with Team Gai's fight. Gai and Lee are proof positive to lack of creativity and animation. Lee and Gai are so off model in episode 24. What was up with cheap transport-to-another-cliff-while-fighting move? We need the A team back for the rest of the series. I was hoping this sorry animation was not going to infect Shippuden. I was wrong.

At least pacing is a little better and the Kazekage puppet is destroyed.

[bigdeath]

All right, stuff happened. The sad part is that only Sakura's fight is only one doing something interesting. The animation team could try better with Team Gai's fight. Gai and Lee are proof positive to lack of creativity and animation. Lee and Gai are so off model in episode 24. What was up with cheap transport-to-another-cliff-while-fighting move? We need the A team back for the rest of the series. I was hoping this sorry animation was not going to infect Shippuden. I was wrong.

At least pacing is a little better and the Kazekage puppet is destroyed.

This eppy should have been named sukura's finally learned to fight. :p

[Mr. Obsession]

If nothing else, the upcoming movie looks cool. Much better than the last two at least.

Though I have to ask, given that I can only base this on the previews for both movies, is it just me or did the Bleach movie villains find a new tailor?

[SigmasonicX]

This video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WbzpHO9sMI) summarizes my opinion on this episode.

[bigdeath]

This video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WbzpHO9sMI) summarizes my opinion on this episode.

I have to agree, this new naruto is starting to suck big time. Then again, why do I still watch naruto after all this time. Even DBZ was faster than this.

[Kyuss]

bigdeath,

I believe it's the hope we'll see much smoother, more mature fight sequences. Especially when the third arc starts.

[beren]

Kyuss you keep saying that, however first I want to see the people responsible for this crime punished, and hopefully have these episodes completely redone.

[Kaiser0120]

Kyuss you keep saying that, however first I want to see the people responsible for this crime punished, and hopefully have these episodes completely redone.

Agreed to a believable extent.

The handling of these episodes is downright distasteful. The budget has obviously been cut down, the pacing is terrible and is exploited by the constant re-use of frames, lack of fluidity, and characters repeating themselves constantly, the music is uninspired, and even the opening and ending songs are unappealing. Sure, the what-if comic is great for the ending, but the music is bland and drab and the opening is utterly forgettable.

I want my Rock Lee VS Gaara, my Sarutobi VS Orochimaru. Hell, I'll even settle for Chouji VS. Jiroubu. Just... anything that's better paced, better scored, and better animated than what we've gotten so far in Shippuuden. ;.;

[Kyuss]

beren,

I say that because I'm of the opinion that once something is done, it cannot be undone. Thus your wish for hanging (laudable in my mind) and revisions of these episodes are something I believe most agree too. However, it is not a practical matter considering the fact these episodes are done and it's highly doubtful they'll change.

[bigdeath]

bigdeath,

I believe it's the hope we'll see much smoother, more mature fight sequences. Especially when the third arc starts.

Thats a long time to wait! :eek:

[Knighthammer]

Ok, for the love of god, just dedicate a whole arch to Team Gai's fight. Call it Clone Wars and be done with it >.<

There was a reason their fight was done off screen in the manga. NOW we know why.

Naruto is starting to make DBZ's pacing look godly.

As for the 'remake' movement: I'm with Kyuss, once something is spoiled it can't be unspoiled. The eggs are broken and theres no fixing them. We worked through an ungodly amount of filler and this stride isn't keeping the confidence of the masses.

I think I'd rather have a 1 hour special once a month to avoid this pacing.

[Kyuss]

I'm glad to see the paladin understand that once corruption/rot are set in something, excising it is not always an option.

bigdeath,

Yes but consider this: if the studios in charge get feedback about this arc and how to improve it (as it should be with most shows), then perhaps the third arc will salvage the entire series.

[GWOtaku]

Yeah, the quality has gotten bad. Episode 24 hammered this home. Any scene not involving the Sasori fight is just terrible. Naruto and Kakashi chasing Diedara is BORING. They've animated good chases before but this just isn't one of them. Its like watching the roadrunner.

Kakashi: "I really have to hurry here."
Naruto: "Kakashi Sensei, move it!"

Meanwhile, their surroundings are moving at a lethargic speed and they don't go any faster. Just awful.

Gai fighting his clone? It could have been awesome. Instead we the same 3-4 moves used over and over. And that scene where they zoom out and they're fighting at minimal detail, then zip over to somewhere else, then zip over to somewhere else....ARGH. Intellectually we know they are moving very fast, but they just do a horrible job of showing it.

[Captain Highwind]

Episode 22, 23, 24

Hey guys, this stuff is bearable in 60 to 70-minute increments.

Okay, Adult Sasori = Cloud

Kid Sasori = Gurren Lagann's Nia? (EDIT: Ak, guess not...according to Wiki. Sounds similar though.)

[Knighthammer]

Episode 22, 23, 24

Hey guys, this stuff is bearable in 60 to 70-minute increments.

Okay, Adult Sasori = Cloud

Kid Sasori = Gurren Lagann's Nia?

This kinda stumbles upon what I feel are two of the more modern problems are in anime.

I think it's fair to suggest that the summer has illustrated when TPTB continue to pump out anime its wholly sub-par unless the series is still on its initial flow of material.

It seems as of late two things really need to be taken into consideration.

First and foremost, I don't think the 1/2 hour weekly segments are cutting it anymore with as complex as some of the stories have become. I believe many (not all) animes should increase the episodes from a 1/2 hour segment to one hour segment, epically the longer series such as Naruto, Bleach and even DBZ.

Secondly, I think the animation companies have to recognize (or rather the companies broadcasting the animes) that you can't have a new episode every week. Randomly taking the series off (like Naruto and Bleach) off and on had a more positive net effect then not but. However, it doesn't seem it was intended that way. It would have been more effective if they'd simply replay a chunk of old episodes. Naruto and Bleach both probably could have used the entire summer off and jump back into the fall with all new episodes that jump right back on the story as intended.

[Kaiser0120]

Secondly, I think the animation companies have to recognize (or rather the companies broadcasting the animes) that you can't have a new episode every week. Randomly taking the series off (like Naruto and Bleach) off and on had a more positive net effect then not but. However, it doesn't seem it was intended that way. It would have been more effective if they'd simply replay a chunk of old episodes. Naruto and Bleach both probably could have used the entire summer off and jump back into the fall with all new episodes that jump right back on the story as intended.

The biggest problem with this is that, a lot of money that is spent on Japanese shows go towards the space in which they air them. They aren't just buying the 23 minutes for the show, they're buying the whole 30 minute block. That's why you often see a bunch of commercials that advertise merchandise that are associated with the show. Primetime slots are expensive and premium for these companies, so putting their show on a hiatus means one of two things.

Either they give up the time slot, thus losing it to whoever decides to pick it up again, or they substitute that slot with reruns, thus spending the money for a premium spot on something that won't make them as much money as a premiere. I believe it would be best to run two episodes a month; perhaps kill two birds with one stone by airing one of their shows one week, then another one of their shows the next, switching off week after week. However, this could lead to confusion and anger amongst many fans and casual audiences.

Ultimately, it's a messy situation.

[Knighthammer]

I think a new tactic is defiantly needed.

If nothing else, the one constant in this thread is "PACING SUCKS!". Coming out of filler hell, this is not a good sign for the series.

[Kaiser0120]

I think a new tactic is defiantly needed.

If nothing else, the one constant in this thread is "PACING SUCKS!". Coming out of filler hell, this is not a good sign for the series.

Would be nice to know whether or not the series is suffering from the pacing in Japan. If it would actually effect the ratings of the show, I'd stop watching just to make my point.

[Knighthammer]

Would be nice to know whether or not the series is suffering from the pacing in Japan. If it would actually effect the ratings of the show, I'd stop watching just to make my point.

Two friend of mine off the forums DID stop out of spite and two that were gonna start watching didn't.

Go figure >.<

I'm tempted to do the same but I keep watching mainly out of morbid curiosity of how much worse it might get.

[Kaiser0120]

Two friend of mine off the forums DID stop out of spite and two that were gonna start watching didn't.

Go figure >.<

I'm tempted to do the same but I keep watching mainly out of morbid curiosity of how much worse it might get.

Well considering it doesn't effect the ratings whether or not I watch, I watch to see if it's going to get better. I had hopes for it when watching the two hours special, but the episode after it was just... blah.

The worst part about the episode was that, with all the stretching out they were doing, why didn't they try and make the formation of the giant metal spikey-doomy-thing a little more epic? It was like... in 20 seconds, the two pieces had clashed together and changed. If they had drawn that out to like, a whole minute, that would have been acceptable and might of made it a bit more dramatic.

As it was? It seemed a little awkward and rushed.

[letsplaynikaboo]

it's been how many episodes? and tenten still sucks ass. i don't think i've ever seen her strong, or anything intelligent from her. does she get better, or is she just weak for the rest of naruto?

[Captain Highwind]

It's not entirely Tenten's fault, since all of Team Gai pretty much looks stupid right now.

"They counter every move we make? Well, let's keep trying to hit them then....and talk on our radios about how everything we try doesn't work."

[bigdeath]

It's not entirely Tenten's fault, since all of Team Gai pretty much looks stupid right now.

"They counter every move we make? Well, let's keep trying to hit them then....and talk on our radios about how everything we try doesn't work."

Theres a simply solution, run. Then regroup and switch opponents and you no longer face an enemy that can counter your ever move. Its an old story but this is the worst I've ever seen it done. See, what did I tell you guys. All that complaining about the "endless" filliere has cause them to make the show in slow-mo. :sweat:

[Knighthammer]

Theres a simply solution, run. Then regroup and switch opponents and you no longer face an enemy that can counter your ever move. Its an old story but this is the worst I've ever seen it done. See, what did I tell you guys. All that complaining about the "endless" filliere has cause them to make the show in slow-mo. :sweat:

I've been wondering WHY FOR THE LOVE OF GOD they haven't done this long ago.

[kaine23]

The heck is up with the new opening? Least the animation looks somewhat better...

[Rolling Cloud]

The heck is up with the new opening? Least the animation looks somewhat better...

It looks like it got one of those movie promo OPs that Bleach got.

[Dudley]

Theres a simply solution, run. Then regroup and switch opponents and you no longer face an enemy that can counter your ever move. Its an old story but this is the worst I've ever seen it done. See, what did I tell you guys. All that complaining about the "endless" filliere has cause them to make the show in slow-mo. :sweat:

After watching the Teen Titans fight their doppelgangers in the season 4 finale, these kind of battles aren't so awesome anymore since there is such a simple solution.

Did they do that in the manga though?

[Malex]

In the manga, they show nothing of the clone fights and come back when the clones are defeated with Gai mentioning how hard it was to fight himself.

[Dudley]

In the manga, they show nothing of the clone fights and come back when the clones are defeated with Gai mentioning how hard it was to fight himself.

Just as I thought. I did read the manga but I didn't bother seeing the thoughts.
So in the end, that clone fight was pretty lame and stupid.

[Cheetatron]

It looks like it got one of those movie promo OPs that Bleach got.
The first Naruto series started doing it at the time of the third naruto movie so Naruto has been doing it longer than Bleach has.

As for the next episode "Get over here"

[MessyB]

It doesn't make sense for them to just switch opponents. Which kid is going to be able to beat clone-Gai? Which of the clones could real-Tenten possibly beat?

Now, maybe Tenten could switch briefly with Lee, with real-Lee beating clone-Tenten while real-Tenten runs around trying not to get killed by clone-Lee. Real-Lee wins, joins back with real-Tenten to fight his clone, together they win, they join Neji, etc.

Of course, that all assumes that clone-Lee wouldn't kill Tenten just as fast as real-Lee kills her clone. Really, what they seem to be doing now isn't a bad idea: fight to exhaustion.

[Mr. Obsession]

Unfortunately only the originals seem to be wearing down, the doppelgangers don't look any worse off.

If they try switching partners, like you pointed out, do we honestly expect the originals to fair any better then they already are? And for all we know, since the clones transformed into their current forms they're capable of switching if their partner does. What Gai's team needs to do is figure out how the trap works and use it against itself: make the clones defeat the clones.

Where's Shikamaru when you really need him?

[bigdeath]

:sweat: , do you have to spell stuff out for you guys. First thing you do is run and regroup. The guy team needs to reform and fight these clones as a 4 on 4 team battle, not in uneffective one on one battles. Since these are clones and not real people I would take the risk that they can't fight as a team effectivly. The guy clone is the most powerfull so lee and guy will have to team up to take him out. Neji is the most likely to hold off two oppoents with is area of effect attacks so he'll take on neji clone and ten ten clone because range weapon attacks even in mass are ineffective against is abilities. Remmber that he trains with ten ten and alone his defense is unbeatble by ten ten. He should have the power and skill to take on another oppoent if only for a little while. Also, I'm beating that the clone can't fight effectively as a team. Ten Ten should be able to hold off her on clone as we have seen.

[Kyuss]

That or they should consider using some kind of summoning creature to do the dirty work for them.

[Captain Highwind]

That or they should consider using some kind of summoning creature to do the dirty work for them.

Well Akatsuki has Anima. So why not?

I recommend FFX Bahamut.

[Kyuss]

I was thinking more along the lines of summoning an aspect of Nerull, but then I'm biased.

[MessyB]

:sweat: , do you have to spell stuff out for you guys. First thing you do is run and regroup. The guy team needs to reform and fight these clones as a 4 on 4 team battle, not in uneffective one on one battles. Since these are clones and not real people I would take the risk that they can't fight as a team effectivly. The guy clone is the most powerfull so lee and guy will have to team up to take him out. Neji is the most likely to hold off two oppoents with is area of effect attacks so he'll take on neji clone and ten ten clone because range weapon attacks even in mass are ineffective against is abilities. Remmber that he trains with ten ten and alone his defense is unbeatble by ten ten. He should have the power and skill to take on another oppoent if only for a little while. Also, I'm beating that the clone can't fight effectively as a team. Ten Ten should be able to hold off her on clone as we have seen.


So the Lee-clone is just going to sit there while this is going on? I'm glad the animators are avoiding the cliche regroup-and-fight-different-clones strategy because it's stupid and wouldn't work.

[bigdeath]

So the Lee-clone is just going to sit there while this is going on? I'm glad the animators are avoiding the cliche regroup-and-fight-different-clones strategy because it's stupid and wouldn't work.

I sorry, I forgot to say that I though ten ten could take the lee clone. It would be a great way to show how she has improved in battle and that she can finnally fight by herself effectively. How else would you like this fight resloved. They way there going is just a waste of time untill eventually they find a way to beat their clones.

[Kaiser0120]

Animation was good, pacing sucked, music was OK...

*Sighs...*

Wish we could have an episode where the entire episode was just a treat to watch.

Edit: Thanks to their little extended scene with Kakashi, Naruto and Deidara, as well as their over-all drawing out scenes, this episode was actually shorter than a whole chapter of the manga. This is unacceptable. :\ Though I will say that, while the fight scenes would have looked really good with this episode's animation budget, I'm glad we didn't see anything more of Gai Team's fight.

Also, who else is looking forward to a new intro on the 30th? Or do you think they'll gip us there, too?

[beren]

Also, who else is looking forward to a new intro on the 30th? Or do you think they'll gip us there, too?

They are just gonna chop and screw the current opening, they will turn 20 seconds into 90, wait for it!

[Mr. Toto]

Episodes 23 and 25 were great. Both had great animation, and I didn't get bored once while watching. Hopefully, the same can be said about episode 26. From the looks of it, we're going to see some pretty good animation next week.

[FireStarterLE]

intros and endings to promote movies ..... guess you do it anyway you can

The Sasori/Deidara conversation after the next episode preview was kinda cool

[Kaiser0120]

intros and endings to promote movies ..... guess you do it anyway you can

The Sasori/Deidara conversation after the next episode preview was kinda cool

Yeah, definitely one of their best Omake yet.

[kaine23]

Yeah, definitely one of their best Omake yet.

Agreed.

[Kyuss]

Hopefully as we get closer to the end of this arc, the next arc will carry over some good animation and perhaps a decent plot for people to snack on.

[kaine23]

I hope the pacing speeds up as well as the animation and art improves too.

[Kyuss]

Well I for one am waiting to see if that is true. There are couple fight coming up I've wanted to see animated for a while now. Probably by the time October/November/December rolls around we'll see those fights. Well maybe just one of them, if the pacing doesn't pick up some.

[Captain Highwind]

Everyone seems to be forgetting that these first couple of arcs are being butchered just to make creative room for the Sasuke Emo Hour.

[Scirel]

I hope the pacing speeds up as well as the animation and art improves too.
I also hope $100 bills will rain down from the sky and I`ll gain the ability to teleport anywhere I want.

That dosen`t mean it's gonna happen. :P

Personally, I don`t mind the art, I actually really like it, but animation, and ESPECIALLY pacing, need a huge overhaul. Let's hope they do one of two things:

1. Speed up pacing while keeping distant from the manga by having only 2 episodes per month. Each episode would be approx. 2.5-3 chapters worth of material.

2.Keep current pacing, but two one hour specials per month instead of 4 half hour episodes per month.

I hope for #1. XD

[Kyuss]

Everyone seems to be forgetting that these first couple of arcs are being butchered just to make creative room for the Sasuke Emo Hour.

So far I've only seen this arc being butchered.

Scirel,

Funny I didn't think if they did as you suggest (1.5/2.5 an ep) they'd be any closer to what the manga is now. Then again math isn't in my portfolio/sphere of influence.

[Captain Highwind]

Again, Sasuke will be televised in glorious HD! ...As far as the creative team is concerned.

[Kyuss]

Again, Sasuke will be televised in glorious HD!

Only to be cut down in his prime by Itachi. That's my hope anyway.

[Captain Highwind]

Episode 25

Sakura thinks it's been over a minute since she took the anti-venom.

Maybe.....but it's hard to say for sure. Let's stop and think about it.

...maybe also have a little flashback?

...maybe a little more scenes of Kakashi and Naruto log-jumping?

...mmmmmaybe another little flashback to something from Part I?

....mmmmaybe a little speech to show how Sakura still loves Sasuke?

........you know...to show how there's still some continuity in this show?

.......mmmmmmmaybe a little more Naruto telling Kakashi to hurry up?

........more bad Gai fight scenes?

.......more Team Gai stalling?

.....maybe for a little more suspense?

.......maybe more staring scenes and internal monologue that explains everything that the audience knows anyway and kind of waters down the action in the episode?

[Kaiser0120]

Only to be cut down in his prime by Itachi. That's my hope anyway.

Killing Sasuke would ruin Naruto. Not the manga, but the character. It's his only goal.

Well, that, and to be the Hokage. But I think he'd pretty much say, '**** life' if Sasuke ended up deadsies.

[Kyuss]

Highwind,

One should realize that there is no such thing as objective time. It's 100% subjective. Einstein proved that.

Kaiser,

That is your opinion, but I think it would certainly increase Naruto's drive for vengeance. Something I feel he's currently lacking. But then I'm a guy that enjoys a good vengeance driven character. Well at least one that's not 100% emotional, more like the Bride.

[Kaiser0120]

Highwind,

One should realize that there is no such thing as objective time. It's 100% subjective. Einstein proved that.

Kaiser,

That is your opinion, but I think it would certainly increase Naruto's drive for vengeance. Something I feel he's currently lacking. But then I'm a guy that enjoys a good vengeance driven character. Well at least one that's not 100% emotional, more like the Bride.

Naruto has always sucked as a 'revenge' character. Shikamaru played that part quite well, however Naruto is a character that is rooted in his idealism. To break that down would be ruining the character.

[Kyuss]

Perhaps, but one must consider the fact Naruto's idealism is often tempered with the realities of the world. While he himself might be "immune" to the idea of dying for a cause, he's still a determined force for what he believes is right, no matter what.

[The Falcon]

Episode 25

Sakura thinks it's been over a minute since she took the anti-venom.

Maybe.....but it's hard to say for sure. Let's stop and think about it.

...maybe also have a little flashback?

...maybe a little more scenes of Kakashi and Naruto log-jumping?

...mmmmmaybe another little flashback to something from Part I?

....mmmmaybe a little speech to show how Sakura still loves Sasuke?

........you know...to show how there's still some continuity in this show?

.......mmmmmmmaybe a little more Naruto telling Kakashi to hurry up?

........more bad Gai fight scenes?

.......more Team Gai stalling?

.....maybe for a little more suspense?

.......maybe more staring scenes and internal monologue that explains everything that the audience knows anyway and kind of waters down the action in the episode?and that, my friend, is why you are on my "friends list". quoting for amazing truth. after watching some of the hundo this past weekend, it's amazing to see how much faster it was paced than shipuuden

[Dark Soul]

Lol you know that they might buther it pretty badly when they get to shuppuden for us in english. From what I have read from the manga it has the capability of being an AS calibur show

[Dark Soul]

And episode 25 was a complete waste of time I want to get rid of sasori its taking too long lol. And anyway I want see what kakashi has up his sleeve hehe...

[Kyuss]

Dark,

I'd say we have around...3-5 more episodes before Sasori finally dies. Seven would be the maximum in my estimation to end Sasori's story.

[Dark Soul]

Really so its that long the manga felt shortened a bit for me. But still I gotta say that they are really dragging this fight out. I just cant wait for the new episodes to come it gets real good after this.

[Kyuss]

Dark,

Well we still have a ways for this arc to end but I'd honestly say 4 is about where I'd say Sasori dies.

[Dark Soul]

Nice it came out already I will go take a look right now.

[Kaiser0120]

For this episode, you will require three things:

1. A cigarette.

2. A change of pants.

3. Cough drops for the sore throat you'll get for the shouts of joy that will ensue.

The animation was superb. Sure, there was a lack of detail, but it was epic and fluid. The characters didn't waste time talking and the camera never panned. It was all action or plot development, as the series should be.

They even burned through 2 and 1/3 chapters!

Best. Shippuuden. Episode. Yet.

BTW: DO NOT WATCH THE EPISODE PREVIEW. IT CONTAINS MASSIVE SPOILERS.

[Dark Soul]

I have read the manga. Too bad the site I use does not have it yet since they have gotten slower with it. :sad: