A new infusion of anime needed?

[Kyuss]

Or is just we need better anime?

Don't get me wrong, adding Bleach was a semi-good move, but considering what came before, Fullmetal Alchemist, Ghost in the Shell series, Samurai Champloo, and even Big O, there's little left it seems that can reasonable help to draw action lovers back to AS. Trinity Blood is kind of tepid, especially after I had a chance to read the manga and the books associated with it. Would having Blood+ honestly bring anyone back?

Or is the time slots that are problematic?

[Zach Logan]

I personally think the timeslots are partially to blame. A lot of the Adult Swim audience is busy on Saturday nights, and it happens to be one of the least watched days on the TV lineup. Anime has also always been at odds with the average AS viewer with rare flukes like the 700K Fullmetal Alchemist, and Cowboy Bebop...in general. I'm surprised Samurai Champloo didn't do that well, but if AS can find "mainstream anime" it might be able to pick up some viewers. Too bad it doesn't have Afro Samurai. Mr. Jackson always helps out for Adult Swim.

[Kyuss]

True, Afro Samurai would have been a huge coup for CN/AS. However I think the budget on that would have been problematic at best. Even so, you are probably right that time slot, especially on Saturday nights, makes for some very hard sells for most people. Still I do wonder if more quality anime would be beneficial for making ASA a more popular draw than some other shows. Though honestly I don't know what shows that might be...

*was also surprised at the low draw SC had some nights, considering while the dub work wasn't as good in some ways, the show itself had some killer moments, especially after episodes 12.*

[The Myst]

I have all the time in the world on Saturday nights but I don't care about ASA at all because all of their current anime is horrible.

So this gets an emphatic yes.

[Kyuss]

I have all the time in the world on Saturday nights but I don't care about ASA at all because all of their current anime is horrible.

So this gets an emphatic yes.

Any suggestions you might add to improve this state of affairs? Perhaps older anime instead of "newer" anime? I am just trying to get a bead here on what some peoples position on this issue might be.

[livingfruitvirus]

It would help if Japan was making more good shows.

[Kyuss]

It would help if Japan was making more good shows. Really? And you think US makes better ones? Or just the fact that, in general, the state of japanese anime is in something of a decline?

[Golgo13]

Here's the thing. Most of the anime that AS broadcasts have already been through the fansub loop. This is primarily why I didn't watch the 2nd season of GITS. My opinion is that they should go for stuff that hasn't been through the fansub loop (at least not the popular ones), ie older stuff.

If they got a hold of something that hasn't been seen in ages, say the 1971 Lupin series, than I'd be interested in watching as I'm sure other would as well.

Because, honestly, this new wave of anime all appears the same to me.

[Golgo13]

Really? And you think US makes better ones? Or just the fact that, in general, the state of japanese anime is in something of a decline?

Yes, anime is in a pretty poor state right now. I mean, take a good hard look at the new wave of anime shows and you'll notice a bizzare pattern.

[Kyuss]

Golgo,

I see. While I can certainly respect your opinion on this, isn't just like re-airing old episodes of say, Thundercats or He-man to the current generation? I mean sure it's nice and all, but shouldn't we move past that? I'm not saying you're wrong. I certainly agree there are numerous animes out there I wouldn't give a second thought to. However, does that necessarily mean the entire state and thus all the animes are bad? I'm just wondering since you seem to have disliked 2nd Gig, which I did enjoy personally.

I do agree though that it might be prudent to have AS productions actually watch the shows before they make considerations. Some, like Samurai Champloo, I'm glad they picked up because I liked it. (Just the fact the dubbing and using a semi-inferior studio like Geneon, makes for a bad presentation at times.) Older shows are fine. But there comes a point, don't you think, that old is just...well old?

[Zach Logan]

Please don't start antagonizing each other or taking points too seriously or personally. I don't want to have to close this thread...(also no double posting please).

[Kyuss]

Please don't start antagonizing each other or taking points too seriously or personally. I don't want to have to close this thread...(also no double posting please).

I believe I am not Zach. But I will agree with the "no double posting" rule. This thread deserves to be lively, not over wrought.

[The Myst]

My problem isn't that things have been fansubbed because I watch little fansubbed anime.

My problem isn't that good shows aren't coming out of Japan because I don't know enough new anime to judge.

My problem is that AS isn't picking up any good shows. Out of the hundreds of thousands of animes they could pick, they pick a shounen show (Bleach) and two just plain boring shows (Eureka Seven and Trinity Blood). Maybe Blood+ will be better. All I know is that none of these interest me in the slightest so I don't watch ASA.

You mentioned the 1971 Lupin series and I endorse and watch any Lupin they put on. Lupin is my favorite anime franchise around and about the only one I would watch fansubbed, which I rarely do as mentioned above. I would support any of it being aired, be it the green jacket series, the red jacket series (More of it, anyway), the pink jacket series, movies, OVAs, or TV specials. The problem is, few share my interest in Lupin to such a great deal.

[Kyuss]

Myst,

Now see I can certainly go with that. While I do like Bleach, my following came after reading the manga for while, not the anime. Perhaps that's why I liked some shows (FMA for starters) more because of the manga they are attached too.

But thank you for your opinion.

[Lachesis]

Okay...

1) Something being through the fansub loop shouldn't count against it because I'm willing to bet most viewers don't watch fansubs. Fansubs have subtitles, which the majority of the American viewing public seems to be allergic to.

2) AS only airs a very narrow category of anime: action shows that are too graphic for Toonami but not in Elfen Lied territory. There are plenty of older shows that could shore up the schedule for a while, but I'd rather they branch out instead. Straight horror and thriller series would be a nice start.

3) The anime from Japan is not getting worse. It's just that the good stuff hasn't been so action-centric lately. And while that's bad for AS, it doesn't necessarily have to be.

4) We're never getting away from Saturday. Live with it.

[Kyuss]

Lachesis,

Your points are well taken. I too wouldn't mind a few horror/thriller shows. Something that at least no only draws in the viewer but also has a) an active plot and b) characters people can care about.

(Also I happen to think Elfen Lied would be a nice addition but obviously not everyone in AS would feel that way.)

Maybe in time thought, Japanese anime will move back to action. We'll just have to wait and see.

[The Myst]

Well, AS wants Elfen Lied. They just could never air it without butchering it so they refuse to air it to maintain the integrity of it.

[Kyuss]

Well that sucks. I don't suppose they'd do the same to say, Battle Royale or maybe Gantz? Just wondering...

Btw what did happen with the licensing with Gantz?

[Duke]

I do agree there is a significant lack of mainstream current anime that Adult Swim can pick up and air with as little edits as possible. Though I do disagree that this lineup is bad. Except for Robot Chicken, I really like this lineup, and it ranks about 6th or 7th in my favorite AS Saturday lineups. I've always liked Trinity Blood, Bleach is finally getting decent, Eureka Seven is actually watchable now, and I could watch SC & Paranoia Agent over and over again and still enjoy it.

[Sketch]

I really think they should try the weekday premieres again. Saturday just seems like a death trap no matter what they do.

[Golgo13]

Golgo,

I see. While I can certainly respect your opinion on this, isn't just like re-airing old episodes of say, Thundercats or He-man to the current generation? I mean sure it's nice and all, but shouldn't we move past that? I'm not saying you're wrong. I certainly agree there are numerous animes out there I wouldn't give a second thought to. However, does that necessarily mean the entire state and thus all the animes are bad? I'm just wondering since you seem to have disliked 2nd Gig, which I did enjoy personally.

I do agree though that it might be prudent to have AS productions actually watch the shows before they make considerations. Some, like Samurai Champloo, I'm glad they picked up because I liked it. (Just the fact the dubbing and using a semi-inferior studio like Geneon, makes for a bad presentation at times.) Older shows are fine. But there comes a point, don't you think, that old is just...well old?

Of course, old will always be old, unless you want to go into those who find it retro-chique.

But old also needs to be recognized for what made them great so that the new crop can learn from them before they get bogged down in melodrama and fanservice. It's also important that they realize their competition as any of these new shows can be topped by an older film like, say, Vampire Princess Miyu could top Trinity Blood.

Sure, new is good, but we've gotten enough new and it hasn't been doing very well at the moment that I believe the time has come for something old/new again.

[Zach Logan]

I really think they should try the weekday premieres again. Saturday just seems like a death trap no matter what they do.

I've been saying that for some time. Have early Thursday premieres or something...

[btv]

Someone's gonna kill me for saying this.. but I'd enjoy it just as much if Adult Swim just put anime back on Sundays again like they did in the beginning. Once futurama drops out of the lineup at 9, they can just put premieres there too (Aqua Teen is doing great for starting out before 10 anyway), and new anime premieres can start after the comedy is done. That way the ratings may be higher when the comedy ends and most of the audience is still watching. Either that or they can just keep doing what they are doing now and air reruns of Stoker and Hoop after the block is over.

But this is just an idea, so don't jump on my case too much.

[HG Revolution]

I think their best bet, given Shin-Chan's success, is to focus on anime comedies to premiere either on weekdays or Sunday nights.

As far as serious action/drama shows go, there really isn't much they can or should air. Outside of Blood+, the only really good recent adult animes that are out there are Death Note and Monster, neither of which have yet to be licensed. And while Death Note has enough positive word-of-mouth to get by and possibly become a success, Monster will need a push AS simply isn't capable of. If I had my way, I'd put it right after House on FOX or some other fitting primetime slot. Even if it bombs there, it'd at least have a bigger cult following than it would on AS. Maybe if AS goes out on a limb and airs Helsing Ultimate it'd get great ratings, but from what I can tell the BS&P reaction would be total Hell (no pun intended).

[btv]

Hold up..

would S&P be less aggressive if [AS] was on TBS? Because I remember reading on here about someone saying AS would need to jump off the network in order for CN to gain more households.

Then again, seeing how TBS basically butchers all their movies with censorship.. eh... nevermind.

[Duke]

Since every network's S&P is different, it would all depend on how TBS' S&P decides what is allowed and what is not. It probably also has to do with who is in charge of the network as well.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

The problem with anime on AS is that there really isn't all that much they have to choose from.

There's not that much adult anime that isn't either, incredibly niche, or has huge content issues.

AS has already aired the relatively mainstream adult anime(Bebop, Sleep Alone Complex), and short of suddenly being able to air stuff like Berserk, Gantz, or Hellsing Ultimate, they don't have a lot of adult anime that can appeal to a wide range to choose from. Because most other anime that can target adults is pretty niche.

And this causes them to get shows like Bleach and Eureka Seven that would be better placed on Toonami.

[Sketch]

Hold up..

would S&P be less aggressive if [AS] was on TBS? Because I remember reading on here about someone saying AS would need to jump off the network in order for CN to gain more households.

Then again, seeing how TBS basically butchers all their movies with censorship.. eh... nevermind.

TBS would be a more than suitable enough home for Adult Swim as I'm sure in the later hours they wouldn't censor anything more than CN's S&P would. However to get on familly tier packages CN would probably have to give up all PG programing as well and that'd sure be bad news for Naruto among other things. But maybe they could keep some PG programing. Also putting AS on TBS probably means the death of ASA and no one wants that to happen because then the only adult targeted anime venues will be premium channels and almost unatainable anime only networks and their off-branches.

[btv]

Since every network's S&P is different, it would all depend on how TBS' S&P decides what is allowed and what is not. It probably also has to do with who is in charge of the network as well.

Alright. Well, if the move doesn't happen, why can't AS just pull a old-school Toonami and air the uncut versions (as much as they can, of course) of the anime premieres deep in the watershed hours after 1 AM? This would make everyone happy.

However, I could be wrong with this idea too.

[Sketch]

The problem with anime on AS is that there really isn't all that much they have to choose from.

There's not that much adult anime that isn't either, incredibly niche, or has huge content issues.

AS has already aired the relatively mainstream adult anime(Bebop, Sleep Alone Complex), and short of suddenly being able to air stuff like Berserk, Gantz, or Hellsing Ultimate, they don't have a lot of adult anime that can appeal to a wide range to choose from. Because most other anime that can target adults is pretty niche.

And this causes them to get shows like Bleach and Eureka Seven that would be better placed on Toonami.

You know I agree with you on Bleach but the more I watch E7 the move I'm convinced that it would have tanked worse than Gundam SEED on the current Toonami. And some of the violence would be a huge pain to edit (but not impossible).

[Rolling Cloud]

I dunno why AS can't air Elfen Lied while it can air Evangelion.

I mean, Elfen Lied is violent but it doesn't have any Eva heads exploding or mutant angel freaks getting eaten

[Sketch]

Alright. Well, if the move doesn't happen, why can't AS just pull a old-school Toonami and air the uncut versions (as much as they can, of course) of the anime premieres deep in the watershed hours after 1 AM? This would make everyone happy.

However, I could be wrong with this idea too.

That would require CN to give a crap about teen ratings. Which could be the ideal way to solve this problem for AS anime that is very borderline or AS anime that really should have been on Toonami in the first place but they wont bother editing for whatever reason. But it's a very fine line. They'd have to push TV-14 to extremes to play E7 as it is so I assume they'd just edit whatever they could to make it TV-PG-V and I think that'd actually turn out decent but as I said already, it'd be a pain to do it but I imagine Bandai probably would do anything to keep the show on the air.

I say it has to be teen targeted because if it's adult targeted then there would be no reason to move Adult Swim. They know full well as we all do that 18-34 are more likely to watch Family Guy and Futurama than even the strongest performing anime on Adult Swim. 12-17 would probably still rather watch FG and FU but are far more likely to be interested in the AS anime like Inuyasha, Bleach, FMA, etc.

I'd be lieing if I said I didn't want TMR back. They might even be able to play Gundam SEED Destiny if we got TMR back but more importantly the shounen anime AS airs would finally be aimed at the proper audience. And we'd also probably be assure that Naruto would at least have a late night slot on weekdays if it can't hold on to a PT slot.

Where the problem lies is the mostly TV-14 and TV-MA anime like GitS and Trinity Blood. And the definitively "adult" shows like Cowboy Bebop. Those shows still should have a venue and TMR wouldn't be the best choice. (that'd be equatable to how Bionix on YTV aired GitS along with a bunch of teen anime). I would be as bold to say they could run on TNT but I'm sure TBS wouldn't want to touch them. If they split the resources of Adult Swim between TBS, TNT and TMR (hey look they all start in Ts). I think they could get the most out of all their content and please the greatest amount of viewers. Though in the case of the very adult anime they might be better off just not buying any more of them and letting their licenses expire. As much as I'd like a truely mature adult anime venue to be available on basic cable, maybe such a thing can't really succeed due to the very niche-ness of the products coming out of Japan right now. Monster would work great on TNT I imagine and probably Death Note as well but so much of what Japan is putting on TV now just doesn't suit American mainstream audiences. Certainly not 18-34 ones.

Now as for Shin Chan and even Lupin. I could see those airing on TBS actually. But probably in really lowsy time slots. But TBS would have to be willing to play acitony comedies (which Shin Chan isn't but Lupin is) if they're going to play Venture Bros. at the very least.

[Lachesis]

The problem with anime on AS is that there really isn't all that much they have to choose from.

There's not that much adult anime that isn't either, incredibly niche, or has huge content issues.


I disagree. There's no reason that they couldn't air anime like "Gankutsuou" (which we know they were offered) or "Kino's Journey" that have adult themes but relatively little action. People keep pressing for them to go for the more violent shows like Gantz and Hellsing, but "adult" shouldn't be limited to that.

I'm hoping that if we do get Death Note, it might help nudge in more of the "softer" titles.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

I disagree. There's no reason that they couldn't air anime like "Gankutsuou" (which we know they were offered) or "Kino's Journey" that have adult themes but relatively little action. People keep pressing for them to go for the more violent shows like Gantz and Hellsing, but "adult" shouldn't be limited to that.

I'm hoping that if we do get Death Note, it might help nudge in more of the "softer" titles.

Wouldn't those fall into the 'niche' category?


I agree on Death Note, although that violates my 'No Shounen on AS' rule. But it would fit AS.

[Speedy Boris]

I dunno why AS can't air Elfen Lied while it can air Evangelion.

I mean, Elfen Lied is violent but it doesn't have any Eva heads exploding or mutant angel freaks getting eaten Plenty of nudity and near nudity, for one.

[livingfruitvirus]

I disagree. There's no reason that they couldn't air anime like "Gankutsuou" (which we know they were offered) or "Kino's Journey" that have adult themes but relatively little action.

Their reason for turning down Gankutsuou was that it was a lot of drama and no action.

If they can't find anything they want to air then I say they just shouldn't pick any up. It's not like they're obligated to air X amount of anime per year.

[Rolling Cloud]

Plenty of nudity and near nudity, for one.

True! EL is pretty explicit in the nudity category. :sweat:

[Lachesis]

Wouldn't those fall into the 'niche' category?


Well, what do you consider niche? I mean, the more anime I see, the more I realize that the straight, violent, action shows like "Trinity Blood" and "Gantz" are getting fairly niche themselves. Why is "Kino" or "Mai Hime" any different?

[Lachesis]

Their reason for turning down Gankutsuou was that it was a lot of drama and no action.


There was at least as much as there was in "Paranoia Agent."

[Sketch]

Wouldn't those fall into the 'niche' category?


I agree on Death Note, although that violates my 'No Shounen on AS' rule. But it would fit AS.

I'd feel the same way but man... Death Note never should have been a shounen series. It's far too... un-shounen. And the anime is way to atmosphericly dark and omonious for any kind of Toonami.

Well I just typed out a whole slew of schedules related to an AS resources split between Toonami, TBS and TNT. I think it looks pretty good. Unfortunately they don't like fantasy schedules around these parts so I can't post them here.

[btv]

I'd feel the same way but man... Death Note never should have been a shounen series. It's far too... un-shounen. And the anime is way to atmosphericly dark and omonious for any kind of Toonami.

Well I just typed out a whole slew of schedules related to an AS resources split between Toonami, TBS and TNT. I think it looks pretty good. Unfortunately they don't like fantasy schedules around these parts so I can't post them here.

Eh I guess it's just me, but I'd rather not have AS spread throughout three channels.

My point was from earlier about uncut showings is that AS is getting comfortable slapping on the TV MA rating for most of their shows, and while this is mostly acceptable for a lot of their episodes, if they are going to use that rating, why not actually use it for their anime series (if that makes sense)? I've seen more violent things on Heroes and that show isn't TV MA (although some scenes skirt close to it). I realize each network's S&P divisions are different in how they go about rating things, but honestly, I don't see the point on toting the rating on a lot of their shows if a lot of them don't really have anything major to the point of garnering the rating (I think the closest any show has gotten is Aqua Teen, Morel Oral, EVA, and maybe Robot Chicken).

I can fully understand wanting to be careful about younger viewers tuning in, after all, this 'network' is on Cartoon Network, which is trying to get a younger audience with it's newer shows, but come on. The early morning hours aren't really main targets for young viewers to tune into anyway, so I don't see the harm in airing episodes in their full or 95% close-to-it forms (nudity and some language will always be censored but I'm trying to pull for anime fans here).

Basically what I'm saying is, while AS is admittedly the best place to tune into for anime in the US, they aren't actually using their touted 'Adult' features to their fullest advantages (on a cable network, of course. I'm not thinking in terms of HBO or Skin-imax).

I mean, c'mon, if Comedy Central can air their secret stashes in the conditions they are in, I see no reason for AS to do the same.

[livingfruitvirus]

The early morning hours aren't really main targets for young viewers to tune into anyway, so I don't see the harm in airing episodes in their full or 95% close-to-it forms (nudity and some language will always be censored but I'm trying to pull for anime fans here).

You should read Cynopsis more:

http://www.cynopsis.com/content/view/964/53/

There was at least as much as there was in "Paranoia Agent."

Kim Manning and Nick Weidenfeld said they picked that show up simply because they really liked it and it was shorter, and therefore cheaper.

[Mugen]

Wouldn't those fall into the 'niche' category?


I agree on Death Note, although that violates my 'No Shounen on AS' rule. But it would fit AS.

So, Fist of the North Star and Saint Seiya would fit Toonami more then?

[KuwabaraTheMan]

So, Fist of the North Star and Saint Seiya would fit Toonami more then?

Well, they are targetted at young boys. They just happen to have content issues.

Certainly not AS fare.

[Sketch]

Fist of the North Star is another rule breaker IMO as is Bastard. But there isn't that many overall. There are just some shounen that you just gotta wonder why they were targeted at young boys in the first place.

[beren]

I think if the redubed the original fist of the north star, did the whole series, then played the new one they would get good ratings, I would watch that is for sure. Another thing they could pick if they could get the license is shadow skill, the oav for sure and the new series, I haven't seen the series but ultra violence is cool and I think would get good ratings. RODTV would be another good show if they could get the license, perhaps even Last Exile, or Serial Expirements Lain, its not like licenses last forever and they can't show something another network as shown. Also perhaps a good thing would be if AS picked up Slayers, ADV recently redubbed it, it is a decent show, they could show it 4 nights a week and not run out of episodes for a very long time. Of all the shows people have mentioned so far, I think the very best is getting Hellsing, sure it has editing problems, but if anything was going to well that would be it. I think AS's only hope for anime is to make 11-12 an unrated hour and start playing the good stuff, they showed eva, they showed GitS, time to kick it up to the point where they can show whatever they want. Be bold!

[Lord Trunks]

Maybe a good idea would be to go for more of the anime shows that offer more of the off the wall humor like FLCL. Excel Saga would have been a perfect show for adult swim and could have gotten by with minor edits, but to my understanding ES was already passed on once by Adult Swim. I'm actually surprised that Full Metal Panic!(classified as a top selling anime franchise in North America) hasn't ended up on Adult Swim, but that might have to do with ADV films(again with Funimation holding the rightst to the third series there could be a chance). The other fact is that some shows that could have aired on Adult Swim were picked up by the Encore Action channel and require no editing.

I

[Mugen]

Maybe a good idea would be to go for more of the anime shows that offer more of the off the wall humor like FLCL. Excel Saga would have been a perfect show for adult swim and could have gotten by with minor edits, but to my understanding ES was already passed on once by Adult Swim. I'm actually surprised that Full Metal Panic!(classified as a top selling anime franchise in North America) hasn't ended up on Adult Swim, but that might have to do with ADV films(again with Funimation holding the rightst to the third series there could be a chance). The other fact is that some shows that could have aired on Adult Swim were picked up by the Encore Action channel and require no editing.

I

I think Full Metal Panic could work on AS or Toonami(with some editing).

Another show that could work is Baki the Grappler. Duke seems to think it fits AS well.

[livingfruitvirus]

I'm actually surprised that Full Metal Panic!(classified as a top selling anime franchise in North America) hasn't ended up on Adult Swim, but that might have to do with ADV films(again with Funimation holding the rightst to the third series there could be a chance).

Why would ADV Films be a problem? AS has two of their shows.

[Duke]

Another show that could work is Baki the Grappler. Duke seems to think it fits AS well.
It could technically work well, I dunno if they want to risk it with the S&P department. You've got a guy who literally severs nerves with their fingernails, another who has a broken glass eye, another who massages a guy's heart from underneath the ribcage (without breaking the skin), a bunch of one-timers who are literally bent in half, a couple of side characters who literally get their heads crushed, one character who gets their toenails ripped off, and during one scene a character actually tries to gnaw off another character's fingers (almost did it too).

[Sketch]

And yet FUNimation rates every DVD TV-PG. Though FMP:TSR apparently seems to be rated TV-14.

[Nobuyuki sama]

Though FMP:TSR apparently seems to be rated TV-14.
With good reason.

[Duke]

And yet FUNimation rates every DVD TV-PG. Though FMP:TSR apparently seems to be rated TV-14.
FUNimation TV-PG doesn't necessarily equal Adult Swim's TV-PG.

[Kyuss]

*is glad to have generated some heat here* I was getting chilly out there in eight circle of Hell. :evil:

In any case, my opinion, I'm okay with Bleach here, (manga fan here), but I do agree it could fit into Toonami somewhat. That being said, I honestly never cared that much for Eureka. Too...surfy for my tastes. Now I can see why people, who have followed anime for a while, might say Trinity Blood is just another derivative vampire anime. I don't honestly think that, but then as I said, I read the manga more than the TV show. (Once again proving that some times source material and its usage matter.) But I can say I would like to see the new Hellsing on AS. (Anything the follow the manga more closely gets larger appeal to me.) But I also understand Duke's position. Yes it's entertaining and certainly with SC and PA backing it up, the line is solid. But there's difference I feel between "solid" and "excellent." I think AS can cross that on Saturdays. But then again I also see Sketch's point too.

[calimike]

My friends said there's rumor Blood+ to replace Eureka 7 on Adult Swims start in April 2007. I ask them where did they get info? They claimed they overheard Warner Bros employee, at local sushi, talked about new program near WB studio yesterday afternoon.

Wow, I like Blood+. I heard Blood+ expect to air on CN but no announced yet. I want Blood+ on AS :evil: It was better than youtube.com :sweat:

Update 12:20 PM PT: Viz has licensed Death Note. DN expect to air in U.S. in Fall 2007. It was grain of salt.

[Mog]

I'm waiting for Black Lagoon. The violence is pretty heavy and there is some slight nudity in two episodes, but it's like a hardcore, down to earth Cowboy Bebop with some seriously messed up episodes and characters. Especially the twins. Never thought a TV show could make me that depressed.

[Hanshotfirst113]

I personally think the timeslots are partially to blame. A lot of the Adult Swim audience is busy on Saturday nights, and it happens to be one of the least watched days on the TV lineup. Anime has also always been at odds with the average AS viewer with rare flukes like the 700K Fullmetal Alchemist, and Cowboy Bebop...in general. I'm surprised Samurai Champloo didn't do that well, but if AS can find "mainstream anime" it might be able to pick up some viewers. Too bad it doesn't have Afro Samurai. Mr. Jackson always helps out for Adult Swim.

One could argue that "mainstream anime" is a relative term ;).

[Mugen]

Well, they could air Full Metal Panic and it's sequel series.

[Beat]

Well, they could air Full Metal Panic and it's sequel series.

Boat's set sail on FMP. Kim Manning turned it down for some reason or other, I think fanservice.

[Sketch]

I think this is the first time I've said this but if she turned down FMP which was tame enough for Toonami besides guns with a bit of editing but would work great with the Inuyasha crowd and has a built in fanbase of a decent proportion then Kim Manning is a moron.

[livingfruitvirus]

Boat's set sail on FMP. Kim Manning turned it down for some reason or other, I think fanservice.

I don't ever remember her saying that. She actually did say FMP was "a decent contender" in regards to airing.

[Mugen]

I think this is the first time I've said this but if she turned down FMP which was tame enough for Toonami besides guns with a bit of editing but would work great with the Inuyasha crowd and has a built in fanbase of a decent proportion then Kim Manning is a moron.

Toonami of 2000-2004 would have tried to acquire the show and spent lots of money making creative edits for it.

[v1cious]

i fully endorse Black Lagoon and Ergo Proxy for 2007.

i deeply suspect they're gonna get Black Cat, and unfortunately, it looks like they will be airing Blood+, which will further ruin their ratings. if you thought Eureka Seven started off slow, this show will put you in a coma.

[Mugen]

i fully endorse Black Lagoon and Ergo Proxy for 2007.

i deeply suspect they're gonna get Black Cat, and unfortunately, it looks like they will be airing Blood+, which will further ruin their ratings. if you thought Eureka Seven started off slow, this show will put you in a coma.




Well, Trinity Blood seems to be doing well, and that's a slow anime.

[EroSennin]

3+ pages of ideas and Black Lagoon was only mentioned once? This is the perfect fit for AS. Its alot like Cowboy Bepop in its storyline. Also Death Note could do well as its tones and suspense is geared more for older viewers. Its the 24 of anime atleast to me.

Blood+ should do well. Huge violence scenes always go well with 18-34 males.

[tucsoncoyote]

Well if folks want action and adventure and a little bit of anime humor mixed in with large explosions, I don't know why Adult Swim doesn't go right in and just grab either Dirty Pair (Lovely Angels), or Dirty Pair Flash. Sure some folks would object to the "Jiggle Factor" but still this is ADULT Swim right? I mean okay Trinity Blood and Bleach are okay but folks are clamorring for action (and a Little humor Like Samurai Champloo, but come on, try Dirty Pair for Once AS, maybe you might like it.. I sure do...

:coyote:

[EroSennin]

Well if folks want action and adventure and a little bit of anime humor mixed in with large explosions, I don't know why Adult Swim doesn't go right in and just grab either Dirty Pair (Lovely Angels), or Dirty Pair Flash. Sure some folks would object to the "Jiggle Factor" but still this is ADULT Swim right? I mean okay Trinity Blood and Bleach are okay but folks are clamorring for action (and a Little humor Like Samurai Champloo, but come on, try Dirty Pair for Once AS, maybe you might like it.. I sure do...

:coyote:


Dirty Pair has already been on TV. Either Showtime Beyond or Encore Action or both have airred this and AS isnt going to pick up a show already seen on US TV especially one thats pretty old.

[Golgo13]

Well if folks want action and adventure and a little bit of anime humor mixed in with large explosions, I don't know why Adult Swim doesn't go right in and just grab either Dirty Pair (Lovely Angels), or Dirty Pair Flash. Sure some folks would object to the "Jiggle Factor" but still this is ADULT Swim right? I mean okay Trinity Blood and Bleach are okay but folks are clamorring for action (and a Little humor Like Samurai Champloo, but come on, try Dirty Pair for Once AS, maybe you might like it.. I sure do...

:coyote:

It's old and the AS audience doesn't like old. They want digital animation with CGI, violence, and boobs the size of tankers.

[Mog]

It's old and the AS audience doesn't like old. They want digital animation with CGI, violence, and boobs the size of tankers.
Well, if that's what AS wants then Black Lagoon is perfect. Revi and Eda alone make up the last two qualifications, and there is a dash of CGI put in.
Here are a few examples.
Sweet guns:
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/2048/goldeagleti4.th.jpg (http://img96.imageshack.us/my.php?image=goldeagleti4.jpg)

Tankers:
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/5104/tankerspk7.th.jpg (http://img220.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tankerspk7.jpg)

and some extreme violence:
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/9809/violenceap7.th.jpg (http://img220.imageshack.us/my.php?image=violenceap7.jpg)

So long as the content can squeek by, it would be perfect. It's got good pace, great characters with some deep stories, and tons of great action. It's almost too perfect for AS.

[Kyuss]

In my own analysis, I had considered/hoped for Balisik. It's more "mature" Naruto fare if nothing else. That, however, looks like it is not to be.

[Beat]

It's not to be because it's airing on IFC.

[Kyuss]

Beat,

I know why it's not airing here on AS. I meant that before that occurred, my hopes were semi-pinned on them getting it.

[Sage Shinigami]

It's old and the AS audience doesn't like old.


No, that's just what AS thinks.


and boobs the size of tankers.

I thought they didn't pick up fanservice shows...

As far as this discussion goes, I'm still wondering where GunxSword is, and why its not on AS instead of stuff like E7 and Trinity Blood. I like them but...they're not going to pick up the "mainstream audience" AS is looking for.


if you thought Eureka Seven started off slow, this show will put you in a coma.


E7 is STILL slow. It only picks up for a week or two only to die for three more afterwards.

[MeggieMay]

I think this is the first time I've said this but if she turned down FMP which was tame enough for Toonami besides guns with a bit of editing but would work great with the Inuyasha crowd and has a built in fanbase of a decent proportion then Kim Manning is a moron.
That's news? :sweat:

Actually, I don't remember Kim Manning saying they'd passed on FMP though it's possible and/or likely going by how hypersensitive Manning seems to be to fanservice at times. That said, FMP's first season fanservice could be edited down/out fairly easily IMO. I would think a possible bigger problem would be that FMP's second season is being put out by a different company. If Adult Swim picked it up they'd have to negotiate with both companies and that might be more of a legal nightmare than the powers that be at Adult Swim want to go through :sad:.

As for Black Lagoon - I think that is either going to end up on Adult Swim or IFC. It's going to matter on who bids the most for it. Eitherway, I think the show is U.S TV bound. It has a lot of violence while not going too far over the top and the fanservice is with in reasonable limits (I don't think it gets any more fanservicy than say Ghost in the Shell: Stand Along Complex).

Still, I don't think Black Lagoon is going to be ready to go on air before the Fall of 2007. Season 2 is still airing in Japan (and it's really just the second half of S1, going by how they're numbering it) and we're talking Geneon here (that's who has the R1 rights). If Geneon's past forays into TV are any indication they're going to insist whoever picks it up stops airing it half way through so they can catch up with the disk releases (al la what they asked AS to do with Samurai Champloo and G4/Tech with Last Exile and ROD the TV). However, on the positive side, Adult Swim did cut a nice deal for online streaming rights on SC so it does seem Geneon gets along quite well with AS.

[MeggieMay]

No, that's just what AS thinks.
An they're right. The problem here is that hard core Anime fans don't make up enough of Adult Swim's audience to matter in the the Neilsens. They need to cover the gap with people who are more casual fans or who might channel surf over and watch the shows. This group is not that tolarent of older Anime artstyles. Still, I personally think the older show issue isn't as big of a issue as it might be on Toonami. However, they AS PTB have said that they steer away from older shows in the past so it is a issue and I'm not sure if Dirty Pair's overall story and look would interest the AS viewer.

I thought they didn't pick up fanservice shows...It seems to matter on what the fanservices is and how it fits into the overall show. Big boobs alone seem to be fine with the AS programmers. However, if the cleavage is too low, or too much skin is shown in other ways, it can turn out to be a no no. Panty shots also seem to be a big hang up for AS, as well (the entire process is very arbitrary IMO).

As far as this discussion goes, I'm still wondering where GunxSword is, and why its not on AS instead of stuff like E7 and Trinity Blood. I like them but...they're not going to pick up the "mainstream audience" AS is looking for.Trinity Blood is picking up a "mainstream audience" and they only people who are in denial about that are hardcore only anime fans. Both it and Bleach look to be doing well in the ratings. E7, on the other hand, may or may not be doing well but it's hard to tell. With Robot Chicken coming in 1st and 2nd every week in the ratings we don't know how E7 is fairing compared to the other shows.

As to GunXSword - I don't know enough about the show to know whether it might be a good one for AS or not. However, I do believe it has a swimsuit episode in it and that alone might get it rejected by Manning, since that seems to be one of those issues that makes her "fanservice bells" go off :sad:.

E7 is STILL slow. It only picks up for a week or two only to die for three more afterwards.Personally, I'm not sure I'd compare E7 to Blood+ to begin with. Totally different premise for these shows. However, I do think the original poster has a grain of truth in what they said. Blood+ was not that action packed early on. While it does have a action in it there are a number of slower episodes in between the action ones. However, a bigger issue for Blood+ on Adult Swim IMO is the fact that Saya has to be the mopiest vampire at times. Not sure how the AS audience is going to react to moody teenage female vampire. Still, the show may do perfectly fine on AS. When it has action it does it well and the suporting cast is huge - plenty of other characters to pick from to end up liking if the lead doesn't do it for you. I just don't know how Blood+ is going to do on Adult Swim - I guess we'll all have to wait and see on that one.

[Taylor Karras]

You know I agree with you on Bleach but the more I watch E7 the move I'm convinced that it would have tanked worse than Gundam SEED on the current Toonami. And some of the violence would be a huge pain to edit (but not impossible).

I'd have to disagree with you there.
I don't think that E7 belongs on Adult Swim, Most of the episodes are not AS material and the ones where you'll see AS material appears in only 5-8 of the episodes, The show could easily get on Toonami with a TV-PG rating and most of the violence could easily be edited, That's my two cents.

[Sketch]

Preaching to the choir dude. I'm from the school of "anything can be edited for Toonami if the show belongs there". But what good would it be to go through all the work only to have it fail because kids don't like it? Half the show was slowly paced build up and relationship stuff that bored me to death. I think very highly of the intelligence of your average 9 year old even so, if Gundam SEED did THAT bad E7 is bound to do worse.

Bleach on the other hand is easy to swallow action shonen. It's got more action on average than anything on Toonami right now. That wouldn't fail on Toonami. That would excel on Toonami. This is what makes it a good candidate for Toonami while making E7 a somewhat lost cause. Neither should be targeted at 18+ crowd though.

What we have with Adult Swim action is quite the delema... It's cheaper to buy anime than to make original series for the most part but those anime don't capture enough of the audience. They can be a bit lower in ratings and still be "successful" because they weren't as expensive as funding episodes of some AS originals though. So the question is asked. Why do they bother with anime when they could easily fill the those slots with reruns of their originals shows at this point? Some anime actually do get good enough ratings to beat a great majority of the original programing besides Robot Chicken and ATHF though they don't come close to touching Family Guy and Futurama on average. Those anime currently being Inuyasha and Fullmetal Alchemist. So what did AS do? They got two more shounen in hopes of capturing those audiences with fresh material (E7 and Bleach) unfortunately IY and FMA still get better ratings than those premieres do. I'm actually surprised at how well Trinity Blood is doing so far because I'm not liking it very much at all and I wouldn't think the casual viewer would be able to sit through it but hey... to each their own I guess. It IS however a more logical choice for targeting "mature" audiences than those two shounen are but they all get about the same ratings at this point.

So is the problem the day? I might very well be just that. Seeing as Futurama can't even seem to pull in what it use to on Saturday and the best RC can get is 500kish and on Sunday in premieres it can do far better. People felt that having E7 as the only Saturday premiere earlier this year is what hurt Saturday's ratings a lot and I think I'll agree with that. It's hard to get someone to stick around for one premiere on a Saturday night. It's good that they are now running 3 fresh anime episodes every Saturday. Maybe they should expand that to 4. I'm really starting to think Comedy isn't being all that helpful on Saturday anymore and they should just go ahead and run anime starting at 11PM (the logical choice would be Bleach, at least IMO, if it can't be on Toonami it should at least be next to it). But it's hard to get 18-34 to stay home on Saturday night to watch anything much less anime. So it would probably be in their best interests to put anime premieres back on weekday nights. Then constantly have 3-4 fresh series at a time.

If they really want their anime to shine they would try a time share slot at 10:30PM (and somehow get CN to put Naruto back at 10PM). That could bring in their best anime ratings ever I imagine but unfortunately I don't think it could beat Futurama's ratings at 10:30PM. Then again it seems as if 10:30PM isn't of terribly great importance on weekdays. If the anime time share does well then they could expand to 10PM and possition Inuyasha in that slot then allow Bleach to take over when it has enough episodes. Thus guarenteeing an excellent slot for the series to rerun in. But it brings up the question, what is more likely to deter ratings from South Park on Comedy Central at 10PM? Action shows or comedy ones? I think Action would actually be the better gamble because nothing short of Family Guy will beat South Park at 10PM in sharing comedy ratings but if you go for action viewers you might see some very good results. What AS seems to be ignoring is that they're going to lose Futurama and they have nothing to replace it with. That's very bad for business. I would be as bold to say let Venture Bros. replace it if they really don't want to try anime (which they probably don't). That's as simple as letting VB have one of Futurama's two weeknight slots.

Now you're probably asking... if action premieres move to weeknights, what will Saturday run? I guess AS could fill the space with strong performing reruns in hopes of getting more casual viewers to watch on Saturday night but honestly... is that even worth it? It seems to me like they either need to settle for a 400k average on Saturday with the occasion ups and downs or axe that part of the block.

Now here me out... I think they could potentially get stronger 18-34 ratings with later airings of popular reruns or encores on Saturday AND Friday night than they do with the current Saturday. And it would finally shut people up about not having AS on every day (who can't watch the Fix).

Run a late night 1AM-5AM block on Saturday and Sunday. Leaving 5-6AM to CN on both nights to allow for some neglected shows to make run on the network again (even in a terrible slot). It doesn't really matter if it's action or comedy either night but an equal presence of both would be nice. I guess my preference would be for them to use both for nothing but anime and maybe run the same schedule both nights so you get 2 episodes a week instead of one. The initial schedule should be the strong performing reruns like Cowboy Bebop, Trigun, etc. And possibly encores of the weekday premieres. (not the same ones on both nights obviously, maybe 2 on one night and 1-2 on the other with another show as filler... probably FLCL). If they were to use comedy I would recommend using the WS originals that don't get played anymore like Space Ghost C2C, The Brak Show, Sealab 2021, etc. You can attract late night viewers with odd ball stuff like those. They're pretty much perfect for after you get drunk I suppose... but I wouldn't know personally. I just know Space Ghost is never more humorous than it is at an obscene time of night.

The late block wouldn't be neccessary if they took 10PM on weekdays I believe but it'd be nice to have somewhere to run those popular reruns and forgotten favorites on air.

As for what to do with Saturday 11PM-1AM. You know what I'm going to say. But take that with a grain of salt because even I am skeptical if they could actually use the time effectively. Maybe we could see a regular movie slot for the later hours. Of course it would be so much more satisfying if Bleach came along for the ride. Allas, I can't say I see it happening. Though I still believe it should. At worst... extra Naruto and reruns of One Piece and Bo-Bobo if they don't have more episodes of either. Maybe .hack//ROOTS could catch a break and DBZ could return to Toonami. There's plenty of good options possible but there is also a lot of ways they could easily waste it.

[Beat]

To be fair to Saturdays, Eureka 7 was the only show driving viewers off. Trinity Blood and Bleach did as well as they could on the least watched day of the week. All the old problems are still there, lousy timeslots, horrendous advertising, etc, etc. It's a testament to these shows that they can still perform despite the odds being stacked against them. Eureka 7 though, was anti-ratings. The AS crowd had already sat through Evangelion, so when they saw Eureka, they were all going "Oh hell, not again!" And ratings drop.

Still, you can't explain that to Adultswim.com. Even try and you'll get bombarded with "EUREKA 7 IS TEH BEST SHOW ON ADULT SWIM KIM MANNING IS PERFECT!"

They should just do Thursday premiers, seriously.

[v1cious]

I thought they didn't pick up fanservice shows...

Black Lagoon's not even close to a fanservice show.

[Mugen]

What AS seems to be ignoring is that they're going to lose Futurama and they have nothing to replace it with. That's very bad for business. I would be as bold to say let Venture Bros. replace it if they really don't want to try anime (which they probably don't). That's as simple as letting VB have one of Futurama's two weeknight slots.



Well, they do have American Dad that they can replace Futurama with.


I wonder how well AS might do on Friday nights. They could give 11-12 on Saturday to Toonami while still operating at midnight.

[livingfruitvirus]

They should just do Thursday premiers, seriously.

Ever since they made Monday-Thursday consistant they've done a lot better in viewership. People appear to like watching the same late night lineup night after night. The only good way to really retain this formula would be weekday premieres across the week, but that would really exhaust the show supply, and this isn't 2003 anymore where AS is acquiring 7 shows in a year.

Still, you can't explain that to Adultswim.com. Even try and you'll get bombarded with "EUREKA 7 IS TEH BEST SHOW ON ADULT SWIM KIM MANNING IS PERFECT!"

The fact that you're so obsessed with your dislike for Kim Manning to the point where you post all the threads about her, just because she doesn't prefer shows where fanservice is the primary element, looks too suspicious. Is there some dark secret you're keeping?

[Beat]

Let me get away from the person for the second. Let me just say that Adultswim.com is an area where any and all criticism of the block, the players, and the shows is met with harsh flames and furious anger.

The writing is on the wall, but no one listens there. Some people actually think Eureka 7 is getting really good ratings. Others just go and insult the entire mecha genre to justify its airing.

Ever since they made Monday-Thursday consistant they've done a lot better in viewership. People appear to like watching the same late night lineup night after night. The only good way to really retain this formula would be weekday premieres across the week, but that would really exhaust the show supply, and this isn't 2003 anymore where AS is acquiring 7 shows in a year.

The answer to that is simple. Long shows and premiers that have finished a weekly run get stripped. Remember- "If you haven't seen it, it's new to you."

[Mugen]

A show that they could get is the Mermaid Forest TV Series. It's from Rumiko Takahashi, it's only 13 episodes long and it's licensed by Geneon.

[Taylor Karras]

Those guys on [adultswim.com] must be taking hydrogen.

"Your hair is the best, Mr. Roberts!"

[The Collector]

I still like the idea of Gokudo that someone brought up before. It would bring some life to the night, which it sorely needs. It would also make a good combination with Shin-chan.

[Sage Shinigami]

An they're right. The problem here is that hard core Anime fans don't make up enough of Adult Swim's audience to matter in the the Neilsens. They need to cover the gap with people who are more casual fans or who might channel surf over and watch the shows. This group is not that tolarent of older Anime artstyles.


I'm not sure if I agree with that, but I guess it could be true. I think something like Dirty Pair would attract attention, but its been on once already.


Trinity Blood is picking up a "mainstream audience" and they only people who are in denial about that are hardcore only anime fans


Meh. I got nothing against TB it just seems like one of those anime AS puts on that seems destined to fail. I appear to be wrong. I never seem to be watching/paying attention when they show the ratings.


As to GunXSword - I don't know enough about the show to know whether it might be a good one for AS or not.


It reminds me a lot of CB. Incidentally I've also wondered why Melody of Oblivion never came to the network.


Personally, I'm not sure I'd compare E7 to Blood+ to begin with.

I wasn't comparing since I've never seen Blood+, I was just making a statement about E7.


Not sure how the AS audience is going to react to moody teenage female vampire.

How did Witch Hunter Robin do?


I'm from the school of "anything can be edited for Toonami if the show belongs there".


Which to me still sort of sounds like forcing a kid to stay with the fifth graders even though he's proven he operates on an eighth-grade level.


Black Lagoon's not even close to a fanservice show.


Did I say it was? Nope.


I think AS should go back to picking up the 13-26 episode shows and doing those. I'm sure the ratings didn't do all that well but those shows (Wolf's Rain, WHR, Blue Gender) kinda (well really) sucked. Either that or Sunday premieres 'cause the audience they're looking for is out doing "cool" stuff on Saturday. :p And we all know they're never going to get the hardcore anime fans.

[Sketch]

On the contrary, I consider Toonami to be the school for gifted youth. And only a special breed belong there. There are plenty of action shows that are too "weak" or too "hardcore" for the block. But most shounen suit the 9-14 demographic as all shounen are aimed at that demo in Japan. Seems pretty logical to me. I'm sure Naruto could get smashing 18-34 ratings on Adult Swim, but does it belong on Adult Swim? Not at all.

[Rolling Cloud]

I think AS should go back to picking up the 13-26 episode shows and doing those. I'm sure the ratings didn't do all that well but those shows (Wolf's Rain, WHR, Blue Gender) kinda (well really) sucked. Either that or Sunday premieres 'cause the audience they're looking for is out doing "cool" stuff on Saturday. :p And we all know they're never going to get the hardcore anime fans.


You know what AS needs? Kare Kano: His and Her Circumstances.

[beren]

Whats with all the Eureka 7 hate? It is a good show, also I think the show is probably more appealing to adults then it is to people aged 9-14. I don't understand what is wrong with a little fan service, it seems anything that is worth getting adult swim can't get because they do not want to really push the envelope on violence, or don't want sex appeal, which makes me wonder they really even want to get good ratings at all.

[Mugen]

You know what AS needs? Kare Kano: His and Her Circumstances.

Well, they would pick that show up, but AS has a ban on romantic anime comedies.

[Beat]

We need to compile a list of what AS has a ban on. Something tells me it'll be pretty long.

[livingfruitvirus]

Let me get away from the person for the second. Let me just say that Adultswim.com is an area where any and all criticism of the block, the players, and the shows is met with harsh flames and furious anger.

The writing is on the wall, but no one listens there. Some people actually think Eureka 7 is getting really good ratings. Others just go and insult the entire mecha genre to justify its airing.

Makes me glad I don't go there, but while I don't think Eureka Seven has done well at all, I would like to see how the sales have done for Bandai despite their lackluster promotion. For TV audiences though, I think we're all mechad out for a while. If Gundam SEED bombed on Toonami, I don't see how much of a case the "E7 on Toonami" people can make.

You know what AS needs? Kare Kano: His and Her Circumstances.

FUNimation Channel has that one. If you're lucky you might see it on the syndicated block.

We need to compile a list of what AS has a ban on. Something tells me it'll be pretty long.

For new shows, here's their official ban list. Some are on the list because they already have shows on the air like them, or shows like them are in development:

- Shows before 1998, unless they're nostalgic, so-bad-they're-funny, or were extremely successful (Eva, Lupin, YYH)
- Romantic comedies
- Shows where fanservice is a focus
- Defunct superhero shows
- Repurposed classic cartoon shows
- Barbarian shows/medieval shows
- Redneck shows
- Mafia shows
- Kids' shows gone wrong shows
- Anthology shows (not to be confused with sketch comedy)
- Zombie shows
- Any concept + zombies
- Shows that compare themselves to other shows
- Roommate shows

[Rolling Cloud]

Well, they would pick that show up, but AS has a ban on romantic anime comedies.

Why the hell would they...? Never Mind!

FUNimation Channel has that one. If you're lucky you might see it on the syndicated block.

I'm catching it on On Demand and this is one reason I wish I did have Funi. Channel.

[Mugen]

For new shows, here's their official ban list. Some are on the list because they already have shows on the air like them, or shows like them are in development:


- Repurposed classic cartoon shows
- Barbarian shows/medieval shows
- Redneck shows
- Mafia shows


I guess the Popeye Show and old LT cartoons won't be airing in the graveyard slot anytime soon.:sad: Korgoth, Squidbillies, and Frisky Dingo have the other three covered.

[Carlos]

- Shows before 1998, unless they're nostalgic, so-bad-they're-funny, or were extremely successful (Eva, Lupin, YYH)
- Romantic comedies
- Defunct superhero shows
- Repurposed classic cartoon shows
- Barbarian shows/medieval shows
- Redneck shows
- Mafia shows
- Kids' shows gone wrong shows
- Anthology shows (not to be confused with sketch comedy)
- Zombie shows
- Any concept + zombies
- Shows that compare themselves to other shows
- Roommate shows

Let me add four things to the list:

- Ranma 1/2
- Getbackers
- Excel Saga
- Diseaga
- overtly violent or heavy fanservice shows(sorry Gantz, Berserk, and maybe Hellsing Ultimate)

[Sage Shinigami]

On the contrary, I consider Toonami to be the school for gifted youth. And only a special breed belong there. There are plenty of action shows that are too "weak" or too "hardcore" for the block. But most shounen suit the 9-14 demographic as all shounen are aimed at that demo in Japan. Seems pretty logical to me. I'm sure Naruto could get smashing 18-34 ratings on Adult Swim, but does it belong on Adult Swim? Not at all.

Well if it means less cut material then why not, though Naruto never "felt" like an AS show to me. Still kinda goes along with forcing that child (the anime, in this case) who thinks at an eighth grade level (in terms of content) to be with the fifth graders (anime with a lower level of content) because they're the same age (aimed at the same demographic).


You know what AS needs? Kare Kano: His and Her Circumstances.



Heh. You really think that would attract the "mainstream" audience?

This whole argument is kinda broken. Most/all fans interested in this discussion are "hardcore" anime fans that they're not really aiming for, so its like being on the outside looking in. We're just slightly more accurate than the people who pick programming for "kids" despite not being near (or even remembering) that age at all.

Still, I think what AS needs is to stop trying to keep up with Japan. In other words, stop getting what's just been licensed. There's a lot of anime that's been finished for a while from 2000-2004 that they could pick up, but instead they go for what's recently been licensed. They should pick up an anime (again from 13-26 episodes) that's been out long enough to have been completely dubbed and run it on weekdays.

The thing is, between two big anime dub groups (ADV and Funi) starting up their own channels (whether they're successful or not), a lot more networks (IFC, Encore) having an interest in anime, and AS's seeming lack of resources (letting Futurama go), I'm not all that sure if what they're doing now isn't the best they can manage. Still, if this is true they should drop these silly "requirements" like limited fanservice, and no romantic comedies, and just pick up what they think will work. Suggestions for them? (I'm not sure who licensed them so if its ADV or Funi, forget I brought it up. :p)

Mai-HiMe
Melody of Oblivion
Godannar
GunxSword
Infinite Ryvius
Grenadier
Initial D
Tenjou Tenge



Whats with all the Eureka 7 hate? It is a good show, also I think the show is probably more appealing to adults then it is to people aged 9-14.


Heh. I'm 19 and I find the show pretty average/boring. Its one of those "coming of age" stories that I've come to hate so much as I've matured, the major exception being FLCL. It would probably work a lot better if it were half as long and couldn't screw around as much.

[livingfruitvirus]

Let me add four things to the list:

- Ranma 1/2
- Getbackers
- Excel Saga
- Diseaga
- overtly violent or heavy fanservice shows(sorry Gantz, Berserk, and maybe Hellsing Ultimate)

Ranma can fall under romantic comedy. The others, I guess they just don't care for. You could also apply that to every pilot pitch they've turned down even if it's within the genres they're looking for, which must have been a lot. They don't even have pilot pitch panels at conventions anymore. I guess I can't blame them.

It's also known that they passed on Gankutsuou (too dramatic, little action), Love Hina (romantic comedy clause), Kodocha (too kiddy), Hare+Guu (too kiddy), and Burst Angel (fanservice clause).

[Beat]

I'm pretty sure Eureka 7's flop will be adding "mecha shows" to the list too. So no Full Metal Panic.

Anyways, now that we've got a list, we have...not a whole lot, unless someone wants to make another show about a WACKY talking object in an oddball setting.

Not even Family Guy is scoring the monster ratings it used to. Maybe Adult Swim itself is beginning to level off in popularity.

[Leaping Larry Jojo]

I think they need to make a crucial decision on whether to continue with anime or drop it altogether. If they decide to continue, they need to open up their variety and not limit it to "adult action anime" anymore. It's time they explore other genres.

While I have an idea of what might and might not work, the truth of the matter is, anime isn't doing so hot right now on Adult Swim. So really, just throwing anything on the wall and seeing if it sticks is a good strategy. His and Her Circumstances might flop...but what if it sticks? Hell, it can't do too much worse than the other anime on the block anyway.

Or how about trotting out an anime lineup made up of a variety of genres? Whichever program does best, they could follow up on it by looking for more of "that type".

[Lachesis]

Suggestions for them? (I'm not sure who licensed them so if its ADV or Funi, forget I brought it up. :p)


Hmm... haven't seen
Melody of Oblivion
Godannar

As for the rest...

Mai-HiMe - has a significant amount of fanservice, but might squeak through. It has plenty of action and a good story.

GunxSword - a pretty derivative action show, but it was well made and I don't remember anything too objectionable.

Infinite Ryvius - I liked this one an awful lot, but it's more drama-centric than action-centric. Do you think they're ready for what's essentially "Lord of the Flies" in space?

Grenadier - considering the size of Rushuna's bust and her gun-loading technique, no.

Initial D - now *this* is niche.

Tenjou Tenge - once again, I don't think they could get around the fanservice-tastic nature of Maya and Aya. And the second half royally blows anyway.

[Beat]

Godannar blows the no fanservice rule straight across the entire galaxy. And Initial D got that hack job, if I remember correctly. Maybe if the last Fast and the Furious took in a higher box office gross, it might have worked.

I think they need to make a crucial decision on whether to continue with anime or drop it altogether. If they decide to continue, they need to open up their variety and not limit it to "adult action anime" anymore. It's time they explore other genres.

While I have an idea of what might and might not work, the truth of the matter is, anime isn't doing so hot right now on Adult Swim. So really, just throwing anything on the wall and seeing if it sticks is a good strategy. His and Her Circumstances might flop...but what if it sticks? Hell, it can't do too much worse than the other anime on the block anyway.

Or how about trotting out an anime lineup made up of a variety of genres? Whichever program does best, they could follow up on it by looking for more of "that type".

It'd probably be easier for them to just drop anime than to expand into different genres and content levels. Less hassle.

[Leaping Larry Jojo]

It'd probably be easier for them to just drop anime than to expand into different genres and content levels. Less hassle.

Maybe, but animated TV shows in the U.S. have dropped off recent years. They can only run so many shows over and over before they need something new. Anime may not be super-rewarding but it's still cheaper to sign a TV deal than to help produce an original program.

[beren]

If Anime didn't make money IFC wouldn't be able to steal shows from Adult Swim with its massively smaller market share.

[Beat]

Gunslinger Girl and Basillik didn't fit Adult Swim's standards to begin with, so I'd assume IFC got them without a bidding war.

[livingfruitvirus]

If Anime didn't make money IFC wouldn't be able to steal shows from Adult Swim with its massively smaller market share.

Basilisk maybe, but I doubt Gunslinger Girl. With all the sensitivity surrounding lolicon, Adult Swim probably wouldn't want to touch that out of fear of bad press. I'm actually surprised IFC did.

I'd rather see other networks start giving anime a chance anyway after G4 abandoned it. It opens up more outlets. The only problem is a lot of these channels are in 50 million homes or less.

[Kyuss]

Gunslinger Girl and Basillik didn't fit Adult Swim's standards to begin with, so I'd assume IFC got them without a bidding war.

I find that a little hard to believe (at least with Basilik) since that show was a more mature Naruto after all. The gold mine there was/is untapped. IFC some how wrangling it...just means it becomes more "niche"

Gunslinger Girl...eh.

I'd rather see other networks start giving anime a chance anyway after G4 abandoned it. It opens up more outlets. The only problem is a lot of these channels are in 50 million homes or less.
That would be my point as well. If anime fans truly want to open the genre up to all, they need a channel that more than 50 million people watch. Back in the day, it would have been fine. But with close to 250 to 300 billion people living in the US, it's pretty much a drop in the bucket.

[Mugen]

I find that a little hard to believe (at least with Basilik) since that show was a more mature Naruto after all. The gold mine there was/is untapped. IFC some how wrangling it...just means it becomes more "niche"

Gunslinger Girl...eh.


That would be my point as well. If anime fans truly want to open the genre up to all, they need a channel that more than 50 million people watch. Back in the day, it would have been fine. But with close to 250 to 300 billion people living in the US, it's pretty much a drop in the bucket.

You mean 250 to 300 million people?:sweat:

[Kyuss]

You mean 250 to 300 million people?:sweat:

I could have sworn somewhere the US passed the billion mark.

[Sage Shinigami]

GunxSword - a pretty derivative action show, but it was well made and I don't remember anything too objectionable.


Gosh....I thought creating a universe where pretty much every genre ever existed was a pretty novel idea.


Godannar blows the no fanservice rule straight across the entire galaxy. And Initial D got that hack job, if I remember correctly. Maybe if the last Fast and the Furious took in a higher box office gross, it might have worked.


Guess I didn't make myself clear. I'm saying that they should drop all of their "restrictions" aside from age and air whatever, and if they did THOSE were some suggestions. And Initial D's "hack job" would only make it more accessible to a "mainstream" audience, though IIRC CN saw and rejected it so I could be wrong. Under those circumstances though, I think there are quite a few more shows that I didn't even think of that they could add.


It'd probably be easier for them to just drop anime than to expand into different genres and content levels. Less hassle.


Easier perhaps but quite a bit more expensive.



And the second half royally blows anyway.


I felt like the second part was better than the first. At least the flashback.


Maybe Adult Swim itself is beginning to level off in popularity.


Would serve them right. Ever since the "second wave" of original programming, AS has pretended like they don't give a crap what their fans think and just churn out anything with the idea that we'll watch it no matter what it is...and obviously that's crap but I bet it'll take utterly horrid ratings for them to process that.




- Shows before 1998, unless they're nostalgic, so-bad-they're-funny, or were extremely successful (Eva, Lupin, YYH)


:sad: Do I even want to know which one falls under the middle category?

[livingfruitvirus]

Easier perhaps but quite a bit more expensive.

Big networks will spend more money for long-term return. AS has a lot of media attention, so their new shows will be recognized more. Plus, with licensing and merchandising and royalties, they can make a lot of money that they can't with anime. Think of it this way, does NBC air the BBC's shows? No. Instead, they spends millions to remake them so they can sell it as their own.

[beren]

I was referring to Samurai 7, and my point is how can a network in less homes, with no advertizing be able to steal a show from the current powerhouse of Anime broadcasting in the states? If I had a guess it is that IFC cares about its programs and is happier with a lower rate of return as long as they produce a quality product/network. They wouldn't have taken the risk to buy the licensing rights, and the rights to 2 new shows if they didn't make profit off of it, the question is which gets better ratings, IFC, or CN.....

[livingfruitvirus]

I was referring to Samurai 7, and my point is how can a network in less homes, with no advertizing be able to steal a show from the current powerhouse of Anime broadcasting in the states? If I had a guess it is that IFC cares about its programs and is happier with a lower rate of return as long as they produce a quality product/network. They wouldn't have taken the risk to buy the licensing rights, and the rights to 2 new shows if they didn't make profit off of it,

AS most likely is budgeted for only so much anime per year, and if they run out, well, you can't do much. IFC is a low cost operation that makes enough money to get by, and can take risks because there's not as much money on the line. To them, anime is hardly a risk.

the question is which gets better ratings, IFC, or CN.....

IFC's ratings are less than 1/10 of CN/AS's as a whole channel.

[Beat]

Basilisk maybe, but I doubt Gunslinger Girl. With all the sensitivity surrounding lolicon, Adult Swim probably wouldn't want to touch that out of fear of bad press. I'm actually surprised IFC did.

I'd rather see other networks start giving anime a chance anyway after G4 abandoned it. It opens up more outlets. The only problem is a lot of these channels are in 50 million homes or less.

That's easy how IFC gets away with it. They sell it as arthouse fare, whcih Gunslinger Girl's plot COULD qualify as if portrayed in the correct light.

As for your other networks, depends on if Afrosamurai is a hit or a bomb. If it's a hit, the floodgates will open.

I could have sworn somewhere the US passed the billion mark.That's India. We just passed 300 million about a month ago.

Guess I didn't make myself clear. I'm saying that they should drop all of their "restrictions" aside from age and air whatever, and if they did THOSE were some suggestions. And Initial D's "hack job" would only make it more accessible to a "mainstream" audience, though IIRC CN saw and rejected it so I could be wrong. Under those circumstances though, I think there are quite a few more shows that I didn't even think of that they could add.

Other than GaoGaiGar, Godannar has to be my favorite of the modern mecha shows I've seen. It's brilliant in the combination of drama and cheese.

But getting Adult Swim to change its standards is a task easier said than done. If their card about not airing anime suggestions is any indication, it will take a monumental failure of ratings on both nights to change that.

And they still have Family Guy.

[MeggieMay]

To be fair to Saturdays, Eureka 7 was the only show driving viewers off. Trinity Blood and Bleach did as well as they could on the least watched day of the week. All the old problems are still there, lousy timeslots, horrendous advertising, etc, etc. It's a testament to these shows that they can still perform despite the odds being stacked against them. Eureka 7 though, was anti-ratings. The AS crowd had already sat through Evangelion, so when they saw Eureka, they were all going "Oh hell, not again!" And ratings drop.

Still, you can't explain that to Adultswim.com. Even try and you'll get bombarded with "EUREKA 7 IS TEH BEST SHOW ON ADULT SWIM KIM MANNING IS PERFECT!"

First - I don't know what threads you've been checking out at ASMB but Kim Manning is not that well loved over there. Eureka Seven, on the other hand, does have a hard core group of fans on the board but I would expect that. New people go to ASMB first if they like a show because it is the official board for Adult Swim.

Second - Eureka Seven may or may not be a bomb. There's a lot of people online who think the show has bombed because it was moved to the 12AM ET slot but that in and of itself doesn't say whether or not the show is truely under performing at the moment. At this point the show hasn't shown up in the Top 3 ratings for a while but with three first run anime shows and re-runs of Robot Chicken, which count as two different shows in the ratings, airing on Saturdays there are always two shows that aren't showing up in the ratings. Also we only see the "17 - 35 Male" demographic ratings, which while important aren't the entire ratings picture that AS looks over. For all we know Eureka Seven is doing fine for its timeslot and/or well in other demographics. So all of this discussion about E7 being a bomb may be premature, IMO.


It reminds me a lot of CB. Incidentally I've also wondered why Melody of Oblivion never came to the network.
I'm not sure Melody of Oblivion is considered all that mainstream by anime fans. I know I've never seen anyone ever bring it up as a posible show for Adult Swim before (maybe Encore Action or Showtime but not Adult Swim).

How did Witch Hunter Robin do?It was considered a bomb by AS. While it did OK in the ratings in first run (the problem here is that the ratings cards started during its run, so we may not have all the ratings for it), WHR barely got three complete re-airings and was said by TPTB over at AS to have done very poorly in repeats. Both Wolf's Rain had their licences dropped earlier this year by AS and neither of these two shows are seen as being "hits" by AS. [Note: TPTB = the powers that be].

[Chris Wood]

For new shows, here's their official ban list. Some are on the list because they already have shows on the air like them, or shows like them are in development:

- Shows before 1998, unless they're nostalgic, so-bad-they're-funny, or were extremely successful (Eva, Lupin, YYH)
- Romantic comedies
- Shows where fanservice is a focus
- Defunct superhero shows
- Repurposed classic cartoon shows
- Barbarian shows/medieval shows
- Redneck shows
- Mafia shows
- Kids' shows gone wrong shows
- Anthology shows (not to be confused with sketch comedy)
- Zombie shows
- Any concept + zombies
- Shows that compare themselves to other shows
- Roommate shows

This list is ridiculous. Some of it doesn't even make sense. How many redneck anime are there?

I always wonder why there aren't more anime comedies aired. Something like Full Metal Fumoffu might do well.

[livingfruitvirus]

I always wonder why there aren't more anime comedies aired. Something like Full Metal Fumoffu might do well.

Nick Weidenfeld's answer to this was that they make plenty of their own comedies, so there's little need to acquire anime comedies.

[Beat]

Nick Weidenfeld's answer to this was that they make plenty of their own comedies, so there's little need to acquire anime comedies.

What about Shin-chan?

[Duke]

This list is ridiculous. Some of it doesn't even make sense. How many redneck anime are there?
Not redneck anime, redneck shows. Since Squidbillies fits the bill enough.

[livingfruitvirus]

What about Shin-chan?

That's why I said "little need."


Jesus Christ ****ing *******. I have got to stop posting today.

[Chris Wood]

Nick Weidenfeld's answer to this was that they make plenty of their own comedies, so there's little need to acquire anime comedies.

Not much of an answer, is it? It's like saying America has Will Ferrell so we don't need any other comedians. People like variety.

Also, viewers might warm up to anime via comedies, and then start watching action anime as well.


Not redneck anime, redneck shows. Since Squidbillies fits the bill enough.

So, why isn't it banned then? Also, don't Sealab and Birdman fall under the "Repurposed classic cartoon shows" clause?

[Duke]

So, why isn't it banned then? Also, don't Sealab and Birdman fall under the "Repurposed classic cartoon shows" clause?Because they're the cause for the bannings. Because Sealab and Birdman (and Space Ghost) exist, the whole "repurposed shows" clause is in the future shows ban list. Same thing with Squidbillies. If Squidbillies didn't exist "Redneck shows" wouldn't be on the ban list.

[Chris Wood]

Because they're the cause for the bannings. Because Sealab and Birdman (and Space Ghost) exist, the whole "repurposed shows" clause is in the future shows ban list. Same thing with Squidbillies. If Squidbillies didn't exist "Redneck shows" wouldn't be on the ban list.

I got you. So what's responsible for the barbarian clause? Korgoth?

[Sage Shinigami]

Big networks will spend more money for long-term return. AS has a lot of media attention, so their new shows will be recognized more. Plus, with licensing and merchandising and royalties, they can make a lot of money that they can't with anime. Think of it this way, does NBC air the BBC's shows? No. Instead, they spends millions to remake them so they can sell it as their own.

I get that, but if AS had that kind of money, they wouldn't have given up Futurama. They said as much.


But getting Adult Swim to change its standards is a task easier said than done. If their card about not airing anime suggestions is any indication, it will take a monumental failure of ratings on both nights to change that.


Which will never happen. AS anime is quite popular, and we only see a fraction of the ratings apparently, just 17-35 male (ridiculous). I assure you there is a horde of 14-16 year olds addicted to FMA. >_< I just kinda wish they would get someone that knows what they're doing for anime. Sure, Kim's picked some good shows (now and in the past) but they were kinda-sorta no-brainers. Plus she still stands behind Super Milk-Chan and I just can't agree with someone who doesn't know a failure when they see it. ....What qualifies as "monumental failure", anyway? I remember the ratings for Saved by the Bell were pretty crappy and yet they made it seem like they were great.



I'm not sure Melody of Oblivion is considered all that mainstream by anime fans. I know I've never seen anyone ever bring it up as a posible show for Adult Swim before (maybe Encore Action or Showtime but not Adult Swim).


I have. In some thread or other talking about this very subject. And it may not be considered mainstream by anime fans but AS isn't aiming for them, which is a good thing 'cause they'd never get it. :) Most of them have already seen whatever AS is airing and as well hate dubs so that's a no go. This is why I say they should stop trying to pretend like they're keeping up with Japan, getting new shows as soon as they're licensed, because by the time they air episode one, the series is probably in its 50s (or more) or finished in fansub version (can I mention that here or what, if not I'll change it I guess). When they say old they can't mean anymore than 1999 back. 2000-2004 still "looks" new, so they could pick some that are already finished with being dubbed and air it on weekdays like they used to.



It was considered a bomb by AS. While it did OK in the ratings in first run (the problem here is that the ratings cards started during its run, so we may not have all the ratings for it), WHR barely got three complete re-airings and was said by TPTB over at AS to have done very poorly in repeats. Both Wolf's Rain had their licences dropped earlier this year by AS and neither of these two shows are seen as being "hits" by AS. [Note: TPTB = the powers that be].


Yeah, I recalled reading on here once that WHR and Wolf's Rain had pretty horrible ratings. I guess AS thought those shows were "so awesome" that it just had to be the fact that the shows were airing on weekdays that caused the bad ratings, not the fact that both shows were pretty uninteresting. :p



Also, viewers might warm up to anime via comedies, and then start watching action anime as well.


Anime comedy (the right ones) would probably do better than anime action, actually.

[Sketch]

That's plausible. Inuyasha is the #1 anime on Adult Swim and has been for years. It didn't get there for the action. It was a drama and the comedy I imagine.

[Beat]

The most popular shows don't seem to have any one element in them. They have a variety of them. Action, comedy, and drama.

That's why Godannar is so cool. ;)

[Taylor Karras]

I get that, but if AS had that kind of money, they wouldn't have given up Futurama. They said as much.


Nah, There just saying that they don't want to run futurama or pay a lot of money to rerun it, Too bad it's going to Comedy Central and not Fox where it will eventually turn into unfunny-grade humor show.

[livingfruitvirus]

I get that, but if AS had that kind of money, they wouldn't have given up Futurama. They said as much.

Maybe they just weren't willing to pay $30,000,000 to keep Futurama around. I'm not comparing their budget to NBC's, I'm saying that they can make a lot more money off their own shows than they can with anime, which is why those shows are pushed more. I don't have much of a sympathy if anime doesn't air here anyway. If the show was a success in Japan, which is the audience that counts, any other country just feels like extra success that they don't have any real entitlement to.

Plus she still stands behind Super Milk-Chan and I just can't agree with someone who doesn't know a failure when they see it.

In the Crayon Shin Chan announcement on their site, they kind of half-assedly admitted that Milk Chan just might not have been a good idea. :sweat:

....What qualifies as "monumental failure", anyway?

Kikaider.

Anime comedy (the right ones) would probably do better than anime action, actually.

However, there aren't too many "right ones." Japanese comedy doesn't always transition overseas. Some of them have to be heavily adapted like Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo or Shin-chan, and even that has an action elements. To be honest, a lot of Japanese anime comedy comes off as very hacky. I see people around here talk about shows that did this joke before another show and how unoriginal it is, but every "pervy old man sees hot young girl" gag gets a hundred laughs because they just enjoy seeing that concept. If not that, then there's a lot of anime comedies that will only appeal to otaku because all that useless information they learned about Japanese culture can be put to use for a change, and part of the reason they enjoy those is because only they will understand them.

[Beat]

If not that, then there's a lot of anime comedies that will only appeal to otaku because all that useless information they learned about Japanese culture can be put to use for a change, and part of the reason they enjoy those is because only they will understand them.

Case in point...Super Milk Chan.:sweat:

Stuff can work if adapted. Bo7 is the case in point for that.

[Leaping Larry Jojo]

However, there aren't too many "right ones." Japanese comedy doesn't always transition overseas. Some of them have to be heavily adapted like Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo or Shin-chan, and even that has an action elements. To be honest, a lot of Japanese anime comedy comes off as very hacky. I see people around here talk about shows that did this joke before another show and how unoriginal it is, but every "pervy old man sees hot young girl" gag gets a hundred laughs because they just enjoy seeing that concept. If not that, then there's a lot of anime comedies that will only appeal to otaku because all that useless information they learned about Japanese culture can be put to use for a change, and part of the reason they enjoy those is because only they will understand them.

I think you're underestimating how popular the derivative sitcom anime are in the anime fandom. It's all well and good to have the bizarre and "edgy" Japanese comedies like Bobobo or Excel Saga to satisfy the elite fans, but slush like Love Hina is very popular too. I have no doubt that it would still pick up a decent audience (relative to AS anime popularity) among the mainstream. Slush...SELLS!

Speaking of slush, girly slush is an underrated mine of gold. Marmalade Boy, Boys over Flowers, Aoi Yori Aoshi, are all potentially sleeper fluffs.

[Sage Shinigami]

I don't have much of a sympathy if anime doesn't air here anyway.


Must ask the necessary question: Then why bother with this topic? :p


Speaking of slush, girly slush is an underrated mine of gold. Marmalade Boy, Boys over Flowers, Aoi Yori Aoshi, are all potentially sleeper fluffs.


Ugh. Maybe some bans aren't such a bad idea...

[livingfruitvirus]

I think you're underestimating how popular the derivative sitcom anime are in the anime fandom.

I think you're overestimating the open mindedness of much of the American public. They're popular in the anime fandom, which is very loud and very powerful when it gets together, but try to spill that over into mainstream audiences. A lot of people think because they like a certain show and their anime club likes it, therefore everyone must like it, but that's not always true. And when said show finally airs on TV and bombs, it's always somebody else's fault. Just living in the heart of the dirty south and surrounding areas, I've gotten to know how closed-minded a lot of people are. Although, they always seem like much happier people to hang around. Heheh.

Must ask the necessary question: Then why bother with this topic? :p

Because others might not think that way?

[Kyuss]

That's India. We just passed 300 million about a month ago.

Well it's not like I'm the US Census Bureau.

In any case...

Maybe they'll find a way to give us the Darkness in anime format. (The comic that is) I mean Witchblade has already gotten its run. Why not the Darkness?

[Leaping Larry Jojo]

I think you're overestimating the open mindedness of much of the American public. They're popular in the anime fandom, which is very loud and very powerful when it gets together, but try to spill that over into mainstream audiences. A lot of people think because they like a certain show and their anime club likes it, therefore everyone must like it, but that's not always true. And when said show finally airs on TV and bombs, it's always somebody else's fault. Just living in the heart of the dirty south and surrounding areas, I've gotten to know how closed-minded a lot of people are. Although, they always seem like much happier people to hang around. Heheh.


If anything, I was slagging the openmindedness of the American public. :confused:

Generally, fluff shows tend to do better than the experimental ones, which is all the suggestions I see here. People name "good" shows like His and Her Circumstances and all that kinda stuff, but I'm looking more at the generic shows that have very few critically appealing qualities beyond just being inoffensive and "safe". Not that I'm saying stuff like Love Hina is gonna be a DYNAMITE HIT, but if the longevity of InuYasha on AS and in DVD sales is any indication, it's that FLUFF...SELLS.

And what I'm saying is that...well, they need more fluff! Not that this would please the "elite" fans, but I'm thinking demographics here.

[Sage Shinigami]

Because others might not think that way?

Not really an answer to what I asked, but okay.


Anyway, if we're going down that path I already brought up the fact that we're on the outside looking in. But bringing up the viewpoint that you have is sort of a dead-end.

[Kyuss]

That's plausible. Inuyasha is the #1 anime on Adult Swim and has been for years. It didn't get there for the action. It was a drama and the comedy I imagine.
I thought it was because of the lonely 13 year olds...

[JOKESONU]

I hope some of the things on that Ban list are not true.

The 26-ep Witchblade Anime is heavily rumored to come to Adult Swim. Granted the show is generous with Fan Service, but I think it would be a great addition.

Other possibilities.

Bubblegum Crisis? Tokyo 2040 would be a good fit. Content wise it would probally do better on Toonami, but the original OAVs could probally be aired as 45min-1-hour specials (some of them anyway). If they could shoe horn the Tenchi OAVs, they can easily do so with the Bubblegum Crisis ones. However, it doesn't match the Age criteria, as some may be put off by the aged animation.

Tenchi Muyo Galaxy Police Series (once again, somewhat better suited for Toonami)
El-Hazard (OAVs and TV series(s)
Serial Expariments Lain (if paranoia agent can survive, so can Lain)

Maybe they could dub the last season of Sailor Moon, it would certainly be Adult Swims first series with Sex Changing characters.

...darn, I wish I watched more Anime.

The only new anime they have on right now I really like is Bleach.

Since the series has over 100 eps, I hope they move it so instead of getting one new episode ever saturday, we can get 4 new eps every Mon-Thurs, kind of like what they did with Inyuasha.

[The Myst]

AS needs green jacket Lupin.

I'm the only one that really wants it but I'd watch it on like ten TVs on every airing.

[Havok]

Some good future choices might be... Ergo Proxy, Black Lagoon, Pumpkin Scissors, Death Note, Coyote Ragtime Show, Ayakashi Ayashi.