View Full Version : Okay Cartoon Network we get it already...
Sketch
10-10-2006, 12:40 AM
You're obviously very happy to have Pokemon and exclusively and that's all well and good because it deserves a good home and is still quite popular. However it's getting out of hand now. Pokemon should not be on Boomerang, Toonami and certainly not Toonami Jetstream. There is a time and a place for Pokemon on CN. Saturday mornings (which seems to be working well), Miguzi (which suits the show very well and gives it ample exposure and a weekday slot), weekday prime time (where it use to aire while KWB still had the premieres) and even weekday mornings. That's 3 perfectly good options not too mention those extra weekend slots outside of any blocks. It's not old enough for Boomerang and it skews younger than Toonami should even in the first hour. There is content that could be aired instead for all of those venues that deserves to air more. So please if any CN rep is reading this, keep Pokemon where it belongs and don't spread it to every part of the network (and Boomerang).
Ghostbuster Man
10-10-2006, 12:43 AM
You're obviously very happy to have Pokemon and exclusively and that's all well and good because it deserves a good home and is still quite popular. However it's getting out of hand now. Pokemon should not be on Boomerang, Toonami and certainly not Toonami Jetstream. There is a time and a place for Pokemon on CN. Saturday mornings (which seems to be working well), Miguzi (which suits the show very well and gives it ample exposure and a weekday slot), weekday prime time (where it use to aire while KWB still had the premieres) and even weekday mornings. That's 3 perfectly good options not too mention those extra weekend slots outside of any blocks. It's not old enough for Boomerang and it skews younger than Toonami should even in the first hour. There is content that could be aired instead for all of those venues that deserves to air more. So please if any CN rep is reading this, keep Pokemon where it belongs and don't spread it to every part of the network (and Boomerang).
It's about time someone dispenses some sense around here about pokemon.
Sketch
10-10-2006, 12:50 AM
Oh it's been boiling. Honestly Jetstream put me over the edge because it was clear indication that it's not leaving Toonami any time soon until someone knocks some sense into CN. Honestly Jeff is better at this kind of thing but I thought I'd give it the old college try.
And to you Pokemon fans out there. First, it's not a bad show it certainly deserves a place or two on CN. However I'm going to throw down some tough love now, if you like having it on Toonami and such because it's convient for you (as it is for most older viewers) well I say just get your butt out of bed on Saturday morning or tape it. Chronicles should have been the last of Pokemon on Toonami (it shouldn't have aired there in the first place). I wake up or record Ninja Turtles every Saturday and if I can do that then you can do it for Pokemon (unless you don't have a way to record... to which I say sorry I can't help you with that).
Taylor Karras
10-10-2006, 07:26 AM
You're obviously very happy to have Pokemon and exclusively and that's all well and good because it deserves a good home and is still quite popular. However it's getting out of hand now. Pokemon should not be on Boomerang, Toonami and certainly not Toonami Jetstream. There is a time and a place for Pokemon on CN. Saturday mornings (which seems to be working well), Miguzi (which suits the show very well and gives it ample exposure and a weekday slot), weekday prime time (where it use to aire while KWB still had the premieres) and even weekday mornings. That's 3 perfectly good options not too mention those extra weekend slots outside of any blocks. It's not old enough for Boomerang and it skews younger than Toonami should even in the first hour. There is content that could be aired instead for all of those venues that deserves to air more. So please if any CN rep is reading this, keep Pokemon where it belongs and don't spread it to every part of the network (and Boomerang).
Amen!
yoshirider13
10-10-2006, 08:04 AM
I do think jetstream was a bad Idea. I would much rather have pokemon on primetime weekdays then on toonami.
Sketch
10-10-2006, 12:25 PM
With how many episodes it has several weekday slots would make more sense than several weekend ones. I guess they may not actually want Pokemon to rule their weekdays outside of Miguzi but if they want it constantly on kids minds then that's how they should do it.
I say a weekday morning slot, a mid prime time and the Miguzi slot. At least two should be on a different batch of episodes (maybe all 3 slots). Perhaps... classic in the morning, Advance on Miguzi and one, the other or something inbetween in prime time.
However I'm going to throw down some tough love now, if you like having it on Toonami and such because it's convient for you (as it is for most older viewers) well I say just get your butt out of bed on Saturday morning or tape it.
Do you mean Chronicles or Battle Frontier? If it's the former, Toonami's the only place it airs. If it's the latter...most fans on this board DO wake up early to watch it (or tape it in some way).
If not for new Ben 10's coming in November, I wouldn't have been surprised if CN scrapped their Saturday Morning block again and moved BF to Toonami. With new Ben 10 coming though, BF on Toonami (as well as Chronicles and the original series on Jetstream) is just more BF pimpage. More than likely it'll stop early 2007 (my money's on late January/early February).
Ishtar
10-10-2006, 04:24 PM
Wow CN really seems to want to pimp out Pokemon as much as possible now that they have it exclusively. I mean, what's next? They'll get the rights from 4Kids to air the original Yu-Gi-Oh series on Boomerang since KidsWB doesn't air it anymore? I wouldn't be surprised. This sort of thing needs to be stopped.
Draft
10-10-2006, 05:06 PM
they added pokeman to the jetstream? DAMN THEM!!!!
i think the first 3 seasons/all eps leading up to jhoto can be on boomerang, but no other seasons. It shjoudl also not be on anythign related to toonami.
Dr.Pepper
10-10-2006, 07:14 PM
I think it should b on Miguzi or Saturday mornings. Pre-Orange Island episodes can play on Boomerang five years from now.
yoshirider13
10-10-2006, 07:44 PM
I guess this is CN's reward for not having reruns of pokemon since kids wb left weekdays last year...
Rurouni Kenshin
10-10-2006, 10:06 PM
First of all, who cares if its on Jetstream, its not taking the place of another show, also from what I've seen Pokemon really only seems to be on once day, with the exception of weekends, really it airs just about as much as Code Lyoko or Teen Titans, I really don't see the problem.
I really don't see the problem.
People don't want it on Toonami. It could take up 90% of the rest of CN's schedule and as long as it's not on Toonami, fewer people would care.
Sketch
10-11-2006, 02:36 AM
First of all, who cares if its on Jetstream, its not taking the place of another show, also from what I've seen Pokemon really only seems to be on once day, with the exception of weekends, really it airs just about as much as Code Lyoko or Teen Titans, I really don't see the problem.
Not taking up the place of another show eh?
Tell that to the fans of Zoids Genesis, Mega Man and IGPX.
And yes Duke I was refering to Battle Frontier. It joining Toonami all but says that Toonami will be airing Pokemon for quite some time. If Saturday morning folds then Toonami will probably get the premieres of Battle Frontier and future Pokemon series. Premieres would be slightly more tollerable as it wouldn't be as much of a waste as encores or reruns would be IMO but I'd still rather it not be there at all. And as for being done with Pokemon on Toonami much less Jetstream by early 2007? I think Jeff said it best (as a quote) on the Toonami board...
DON'T YOU BELIEVE IT
Sketch
10-11-2006, 02:49 AM
People don't want it on Toonami. It could take up 90% of the rest of CN's schedule and as long as it's not on Toonami, fewer people would care.
No no that'd be horrible. But having it on weekdays in the morning, afternoon and evening along with Saturday morning and Sunday is fine. Just don't play it more than that and keep it off Toonami.
Kitschensyngk
10-11-2006, 05:40 PM
Pokemon does not belong on Boomerang.
Boomerang is a channel for CLASSIC CARTOONS.
Pokemon only fulfills the latter half of the criteria.
The Wolverine
10-11-2006, 05:52 PM
Pokemon only fulfills the latter half of the criteria.
It's a classic anime.
Sorry nobody else agrees with this fact.
William C. Maune
10-11-2006, 05:55 PM
Speaking of which, I'm surprised they haven't tried running some Dragonball Z on Boomerang. It is over 15 years old at this point I think.
Pomegranate
10-11-2006, 06:04 PM
I think Boomerang should only showcase cartoons from the late 70s or a much older era. Anything from the 80s or much recent than that has no place on Boomerang at all.
Craptoon Network should create an easily accessible Toonami Channel for us action and anime fans in the US, if they so worship their originals and live-action crap so much to point of filling up like 97% of the regular CN's line-up with them as if their very lives depended on it.
William C. Maune
10-11-2006, 06:08 PM
Cartoon Network should create an easily accessible Toonami Channel for us action and anime fans in the US, if they so worship their originals so much they want to fill up like 97% of the regular CN's line-up with them.
It's not very easy to start a new channel these days. The main problem is getting cable and satellite companies to carry it. Boomerang has been around for serveral years and despite trying various programming strategies and line-ups, Cartoon Network still hasn't gotten many cable and satellite companies to pick up the network and thus hardly anyone receives it, even after all this time.
clucky
10-11-2006, 06:30 PM
OMFW
Pokemon on boomerang!!
woa woa woa
pokemon is not considered a classic cartoon
at least not in my book
unless its the very first season it might be okay
but even then when I turn to boomerang
I want to see Fudd shooting at Bugs
(not really shooting at him just the show)
toonami no, nuff said
jetstream maybe if some people really like the
show that much I dont see anything wrong
with it being on jetstream
But besides that SU182 I agree AMEN!!
Ishtar
10-11-2006, 06:31 PM
Speaking of which, I'm surprised they haven't tried running some Dragonball Z on Boomerang. It is over 15 years old at this point I think.
Maybe it's because their rights for DBZ might expire in at least 2007? CN won't have the rights for the DB series forever, and Funimation will no doubt add it to their own channel once CN loses the rights. Actually, I'm surprised they haven't tried adding the original Yu-Gi-Oh series to Boomerang to air along with Pokemon.They are airing GX on CN , and KidsWB no longer have the airing rights. Now that would tick off a lot more Boomerang viewers than adding Pokemon did. I still remember the big uproar that occured over at the Toonami board when Yu-Gi-Oh was airing on Toonami for a few weeks.
Draft
10-11-2006, 07:43 PM
the rights to yu-gi-oh are with 4Kids TV, since they air capsule monsters and air some odler eps on their online video service and on demand. If cn really wanted to, they probally would've by now(thoguh is it airing next week or the week after, cause comacast lists it airing in GX's place for a week). IK can understand why peopel dont want pokeman on boomerang, but think about it, not only probally does it mean one less time slot for cn to air it in, but the peisodes are at least not past 2000, which many peopel dont like(including myself, i say anythin can air from 1900-2000, as long it is not currently airing on cartoon network)
Sketch
10-11-2006, 09:12 PM
It's a classic anime.
Sorry nobody else agrees with this fact.
No, it isn't. Not yet (though pretty soon it could be considered so). 10 years old (8 in the US) is not old enough to be classic. Much less to be said "it's a classic cartoon". Classic cartoons are 50s, 60s, 70s and at this point the 80s. The 90s isn't classic yet. At least it shouldn't be.
Rolling Cloud
10-11-2006, 10:50 PM
Speaking of which, I'm surprised they haven't tried running some Dragonball Z on Boomerang. It is over 15 years old at this point I think.
If they run DBZ on Boomerang, they better show Krillin's impalement.
Seriously, that can be shown now with todays standards! (Naruto, I'm Looking at you!)
Sketch
10-11-2006, 11:10 PM
They'd have to buy the uncut Freiza saga to do it though. They only have uncut Saiyan and Namek sagas so far.
The Wolverine
10-12-2006, 09:33 AM
No, it isn't. Not yet (though pretty soon it could be considered so). 10 years old (8 in the US) is not old enough to be classic. Much less to be said "it's a classic cartoon". Classic cartoons are 50s, 60s, 70s and at this point the 80s. The 90s isn't classic yet. At least it shouldn't be.
I guess my definition of "classic" differs.
Sketch
10-13-2006, 09:12 PM
I hadn't noticed before but it seems Miguzi will have an hour of Pokemon by mid next week.
Why couldn't I dunno... Zatch Bell air on Miguzi if YGO GX was going to take a break. Given it's off the air for the rest of the month.
HG Revolution
10-14-2006, 07:49 AM
No, it isn't. Not yet (though pretty soon it could be considered so). 10 years old (8 in the US) is not old enough to be classic. Much less to be said "it's a classic cartoon". Classic cartoons are 50s, 60s, 70s and at this point the 80s. The 90s isn't classic yet. At least it shouldn't be.
'80s and before doesn't necissarily count as classic in my book, just merely retro.
My definition of classic is less based on exactly how old something is and more about how it is remembered. Toy Story is only 11 years old but its still a classic due to how much it changed the way animation is made. Evangelion is about the same age and is also a classic due to rewriting the old formulas into most of the products we see today. Pokemon... There's no doubting its power, so perhaps its classic, but if CN is going to air it like crazy I'd much prefer it to stay off Boomerang to clear up spots for shows CN doesn't air anymore. You know, Pokemon on Boomerang wouldn't piss me off so much if The Network still aired Looney Tunes.
Sketch
10-14-2006, 12:31 PM
EVA... classic? Hardly. My word is that show overrated. No anime from the 90's is classic IMO. But some of the best anime I've ever watched were from the 90s.
See, this is why Boomerang should have never been a "classic" cartoon channel in the first place.
yoshirider13
10-14-2006, 04:52 PM
Meh I shows classic when I am really into it... Pokemon is one of them, Naruto is one.... I even call the sitcom friends a classic...
The Wolverine
10-14-2006, 05:01 PM
See, this is why Boomerang should have never been a "classic" cartoon channel in the first place.
Just one word:
YES!
Sorry, couldn't resist.
HG Revolution
10-14-2006, 05:27 PM
EVA... classic? Hardly. My word is that show overrated. No anime from the 90's is classic IMO. But some of the best anime I've ever watched were from the 90s.
EVA isn't God like some people claim it is, but its still a classic. Even if it hasn't been around that long, its still talked about as if its brand new while other shows that have premiered since have minimal impact. You need to understand that love it or hate it, without EVA you wouldn't have most of the shows on the air today. EVA's successors might be better than the original, but then again Snow White and the Seven Dwarves was never my favorite Walt Disney movie, and I ain't arguing about its classic status.
Getting passed the EVA discussion, I pity the fool who finds The Gary Coleman Show and The Black Couldron to be more worthy of classichood than Batman: The Animated Series and Beauty and the Beast.
Anthony C.
10-14-2006, 05:29 PM
EVA... classic? Hardly. My word is that show overrated.
Different strokes for different folks Sketch. You think that EVA is overrated and HG and I think that the show is classic animation. Hell I feel that Animaniacs is kind of overrated.
Sketch
10-15-2006, 08:47 PM
Wanna explain what makes EVA classic then?
I don't know how anyone could watch that twice honestly.
HG Revolution
10-15-2006, 09:07 PM
Wanna explain what makes EVA classic then?
-Dividing the anime fandom into two separate halves: those who love the show, and those who hate it
-Becoming a favorite show to analyze and/or elaborate on, probably due to the multiple endings
-Causing millions of brains to explode trying to piece it together
-Reinventing the mecha genre from big political war stories to smaller personal psychological stories, all the while paying tribute to the series that came before it
-Pushing network censors to the limit, leading to the rise of anime broadcasts on digital/satelite channel
-Jumpstarting a wave of similar mindf*** shows
-As far as I'm concerned, all of the big plot twists combined with some really cool action scenes makes for some highly entertaining viewing, and I know many others thinks the same
-Working in a way very few animated works have: as a visual representation of the trauma and psychosis its director experienced
-Asuka ('nough said)
The Wolverine
10-15-2006, 09:46 PM
Wanna explain what makes EVA classic then?
I don't know how anyone could watch that twice honestly.
Uh...
I don't like Evangelion either, but it IS indeed classic.
Jeff Harris
10-15-2006, 09:57 PM
The 90s isn't classic yet. At least it shouldn't be.Batman: TAS is a classic. Believe it or not, it'll celebrate its 15th anniversary next year. Gargoyles is a classic too, and I would fight anyone who says otherwise. So's The Tick, Freakazoid, and Sam and Max. Cowboy Bebop's a modern classic as is Evangelion (count me in as one of those who like it).
Pokemon was made just to sell games, toys, and merchandise, and if those products didn't exist or continue to sell, the show wouldn't still be on the air.
Terminate421
10-15-2006, 11:15 PM
i used to watch pokemon........
but when mystery dungeon came out now i love it!
i even have blue rescue team!
whats funny is i ended up as Totodile on test and im real far on game!
(i hate having to evolve!)
Sketch
10-16-2006, 03:00 AM
-Dividing the anime fandom into two separate halves: those who love the show, and those who hate it
Sorry I don't fall into either categories. I don't actually hate it. I greatly enjoyed some of it but I don't love it either.
-Becoming a favorite show to analyze and/or elaborate on, probably due to the multiple endings
I'll buy that. It's funny how people take it so dang seriously when I think Ano himself said it was all a bunch of bull. XD
-Causing millions of brains to explode trying to piece it together
Nah... only the week minded and young children have that problem. Normal folks just take it for the BS it is... and that Ano is a psycho.
-Reinventing the mecha genre from big political war stories to smaller personal psychological stories, all the while paying tribute to the series that came before it
I can somewhat agree with this. I don't think it reinvents the mecha genre. I don't really consider it mecha for one. And before EVA, several Gundam series dealt with psychological issues with piloting giant robots to kill other people. Even so EVA did take it to a different level I suppose.
-Pushing network censors to the limit, leading to the rise of anime broadcasts on digital/satelite channel
I wasn't aware of this. But I know it aired just fine on TV Tokyo (both times).
-Jumpstarting a wave of similar mindf*** shows
I'm pretty sure there were plenty of those before EVA.
-As far as I'm concerned, all of the big plot twists combined with some really cool action scenes makes for some highly entertaining viewing, and I know many others thinks the same
The plot twists were occasionly good and the action was solid. I'd say the character interaction is what truely shines in EVA.
-Working in a way very few animated works have: as a visual representation of the trauma and psychosis its director experienced
Sure... we'll go with that.
-Asuka ('nough said)
That jail bait isn't classic. She's was an interesting character and entertaining but Rei is actually the more "classic" character of the two. I like Asuka better though.
J'onn J'onzz
10-16-2006, 08:40 AM
I wasn't aware of this. But I know it aired just fine on TV Tokyo (both times).
Errr--no, it didn't. There were parent protests at the brutality and sex in episode 18.
Sketch
10-16-2006, 11:36 AM
First time or the second time? Odd for them to show it again if it was the first time.
I thought it was fairly well knowledge that the censors weren't happy with Anno during the second half of the series, hence why he was forced to scrap the true ending (which eventually became the basis for End of Eva) and did the mind-screw Episode 25 & 26.
J'onn J'onzz
10-16-2006, 08:01 PM
First time or the second time? Odd for them to show it again if it was the first time.
From what I've gathered, they aired it at a time suitable for older children and younger teenagers the first time. Parents got mad. So they aired it again at a time more suitable for adults and it became a hit.
Sketch
10-16-2006, 10:04 PM
Huh... I recall the remake aired in the later hours is that what you mean. Or do you mean it was moved to a later time the first time it ran?
I believe it was aired on weekdays (I want to say Wednesday) at around 8:30/9:00 PM before the bloodbath episodes came around.
Terminate421
10-18-2006, 10:49 PM
:lol:
listen........
CN spreads pokemon to areas because by now almost 60% of people love pokemon! they spread it to boomerang because it used to be VERY OLD!
i even still remeber the old slogan "gotta catch em all pokemon!"
but they probobly wont upspread it
idk maybe they will. there only doing it because it lets kids see it more
Side note:
hey duke what rescue team are you from? what members do you have? my answer is
team: Ownage
members: Charmander, Pikachu, and Totodile (me)
Side note:
hey duke what rescue team are you from? what members do you have? my answer is
team: Ownage
members: Charmander, Pikachu, and Totodile (me)
I haven't gotten the games. I won't until I get a DS.
Sketch
10-19-2006, 01:08 AM
:lol:
listen........
CN spreads pokemon to areas because by now almost 60% of people love pokemon! they spread it to boomerang because it used to be VERY OLD!
i even still remeber the old slogan "gotta catch em all pokemon!"
Sounds like a very generous number to me.
Sketch
10-20-2006, 12:10 AM
And now Battle Frontier joins prime time on Monday - Thursday at the end of November.
Apparently CN learned nothing from KWB when it comes to Pokemon.
William C. Maune
10-20-2006, 12:12 AM
It'll probably only last for a month (until Christmas) then the schedule will shift back.
Viper_Strike
10-20-2006, 12:16 AM
i agree, they should have pokemon on saturday mornings, it should stay like that like how they had it on wb in the morning all the kids get their cereal out and watch pokemon, lol besides if they want anime shows on toonami it should be naruto and some more..
Sketch
10-20-2006, 12:56 AM
It'll probably only last for a month (until Christmas) then the schedule will shift back.
I'm hoping as much but given that those episodes have been run and rerun a few times already (and will be rerun again on Toonami) it's really getting to be massive overkill at this point. And if they were going to rerun them on weekdays why even bother with Toonami? Such a waste of valuable space...
SAMaine
10-20-2006, 01:32 AM
Pokemon as a series is in fact 10 years old.
Last I heard CN secured the rights to air the Super Mario Bros. and Legend of Zelda cartoons, so CN might be trying to form a Nintendo Block or something.
I'm hoping as much but given that those episodes have been run and rerun a few times already (and will be rerun again on Toonami) it's really getting to be massive overkill at this point.
CN? Overkill a series? GASP! That never happens!
Sketch
10-20-2006, 02:18 AM
Overkill an aquisition this much? Not since the days of DBZ my friend. Not even Naruto and GX major pimpage got to this level.
Well... at least its off Boomerang. Get it off Jetstream and Toonami and I'll be golden.
yoshirider13
10-20-2006, 10:26 AM
I say CN screws all of the Pokemon slots and give it a perminent primetime slot!
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