C&C - Eureka 7 - "Substance Abuse" [Archive]

DragonPup

09-08-2006, 07:25 PM

There was one very rough edit. After the Nirvash stepped on the pilot, and pulled up it's leg, the dismembered arm was hanging off the bottom of the Nirvash's foot for a few seconds before falling to the ground. Pretty gory, too.

Edit: here's how it ended uneditted, http://media.putfile.com/Eureka-20-Unedited (Thanks ASMB).

Wolfie~Giri

09-08-2006, 07:32 PM

There was one very rough edit. After the Nirvash stepped on the pilot, and pulled up it's leg, the dismembered arm was hanging off the bottom of the Nirvash's foot for a few seconds before falling to the ground. Pretty gory, too.

Yeah I was a little disapointed at that but it went great anyway. The whole episode rocked. Preferably the ending. New love for Crispin and JYB.

Timmay

09-08-2006, 07:43 PM

Man this episode really freaked me out the first time I watched it.

v1cious

09-08-2006, 07:56 PM

wait a minute... what did they cut exactly? as far as i can see, they left it unedited. looked like the foot scene was there to me.

DragonPup

09-08-2006, 08:01 PM

wait a minute... what did they cut exactly? as far as i can see, they left it unedited. looked like the foot scene was there to me.

The part where the arm was hanging off of the foot.

Botman

09-08-2006, 08:09 PM

The part where the arm was hanging off of the foot.

They just cut out the close up. You can still see it if you pay attention.

blitzkrieg

09-08-2006, 08:12 PM

I think it actually works perfectly fine without the close-up because you notice something but you're not sure what it is. Causes you to quickly run through all the things that it could be.

FlyByNite77

09-08-2006, 08:28 PM

lame edit I figured with some of the graphic stuff shown on FMA that the scene would be ok for Adult Swim.

Katsumara

09-08-2006, 09:12 PM

Still put the point across. Episode had an impact on me first and second time through.

ClockStomper

09-08-2006, 09:44 PM

Why are they reluctant to go TV-MA with this particular show?

Rolling Cloud

09-08-2006, 10:16 PM

I wanted to put this in the thread.

As an inside joke.

http://www.kryptonsite.com/S20J-209-SMA1-10-01.jpg

Sketch

09-08-2006, 11:58 PM

Why are they reluctant to go TV-MA with this particular show?

They never let any of the shonen anime go MA. Not particularly sure why. It may be Bandai's choice actually. I think they could have pulled that off with TV-14-LV though. Makes me wonder about the blood geisers later in Bleach.

Mugen

09-09-2006, 12:24 AM

The part where the arm was hanging off of the foot.

Ooh, looks like WS has to do some actual editing(besides bleeping the s-word and blurring the naked woman on the book).

Lutochris

09-09-2006, 01:27 AM

Pepperidge

09-09-2006, 02:02 AM

You know, with the degree of editing they've already done... I have to question why they didn't just put E7 on Toonami with a PG. It wouldn't have taken much more effort.

Captain Zechs

09-09-2006, 03:15 AM

Damn, renton is amazing in this episode, and the fact that he has gone psychotic just shows the emotional levels this show can handle. Dude, Talho may fight with Holland, but damn does she care for him.

Whats up with no preview? It's so damn cruel.

djthomp

09-09-2006, 04:38 AM

FlyByNite77

09-09-2006, 04:58 AM

:eek: Holy CRAP! That was just nuts there at the end.

That had to be an EoE reference in the scene with Talho and Renton. "Did you come in here to do lewd things to her body while she was asleep". Rofl

hahaha I didn't even think of that context... :lol:

So Holland dropped a 'Believe it' in this episode... He didn't say dattebayo in Japanese did he? :anime:

Karl Olson

09-09-2006, 06:49 AM

You know, with the degree of editing they've already done... I have to question why they didn't just put E7 on Toonami with a PG. It wouldn't have taken much more effort.

Figuring out a way around editing the drug use on the part of Anemone/Dominic would be a pain because it's plot critical, and the story is probably a little too intellectually ambitious at points for Toonami's target demo, at least in CN's eyes. Thus, AS by default almost. Still, I wonder if Bandai is still operating under old assumptions about standards. Especially given everything Eva was cleared for.

Pepperidge

09-09-2006, 12:14 PM

But wouldn't it have been WS that made this edit? Although it still makes no sense since even at TV-14 FMA got away with worse.

Timmay

09-09-2006, 12:20 PM

But wouldn't it have been WS that made this edit? Although it still makes no sense since even at TV-14 FMA got away with worse.It's the same deal as the head splats by Scar. They got censored out, but you still know they happened.

Katsumara

09-09-2006, 07:01 PM

The arm dangling from the foot of Nirvash was a cool part, because you see why he really freaked out.. then it splats to the ground and you see how it focuses in on the wedding ring. Poor guy had a family :( Poor Renton.. (not really, just.. yeah.)

Mugen

09-10-2006, 01:10 AM

Wow, Renton is really acting like Shinji/teenage Amuro in this episode. And Holland is doing his best Bright Noah persona.

Edit: All this blood makes it a AS show. Toonami would be doing alot of digital paint edits for this.

peacebyanymeans

09-10-2006, 01:24 AM

Looks like they kept a close up of the arm.

Not sure if it's the close up you all are talking about.

FlyByNite77

09-10-2006, 01:31 AM

Looks like they kept a close up of the arm.

Not sure if it's the close up you all are talking about.

Yea, what was being talked about was that there was a much closer and longer scene where the Nirvash lifts up its foot and you see the arm closer and blood dripping off and then the arm falls off to the ground.

Doesn't make much sense for the edit, especially with Trinity Blood going at 12AM with bodies cut in half and a heart being crushed in the dude's hand... Yea, you still get the same idea but I just don't like edits. :sad:

Katsumara

09-10-2006, 01:32 AM

You know a few seconds before he starts having a panic attack and he lifts his foot? You can see the arm hanging from Nirvash's foot slightly. In the original, it had a close up of that and then a close up of it on the ground. That's what they're talking about.

PickHut

09-10-2006, 01:32 AM

Rollercoaster of emotions, ahoy!

You know, Renton must be made out of steel or something. With the amount of beatings he gets in almost every episode, you'd think something would brake by now. I thought it was funny at first, but this is really starting to hurt to watch:sweat: .

Anyway, SA gets a B.

Kitschensyngk

09-10-2006, 01:34 AM

My, [as] action is quite the bloodbath tonight.

Kind of a relief to see Renton get angry for a change. He was taking far too much crap these past few weeks before going all End of Eva on those KLFs.

Takes a licking, keeps on ticking. Until he explodes.

Demonic Raven

09-10-2006, 01:40 AM

Does Renton have a target on him or something? Sheesh..people just can't resist kicking this poor kid's ass! :sweat:

Seeing Holland in action was cool. I loved seeing him with blood dripping down his face and all, and it made the scenes more exciting.

But nevermind that...just look at Renton at the end. I was positively shocked when he killed the LFO and blood splattered across his windshield. Then we have that scene at the end (made more terrifying when uncut). Totally awesome.

And we had to have more Eva imagery, of course. Between Renton/Nirvash going berserk and killing things to make a big bloody mess, and then that weird ghost like thing he saw and then started freaking out. Eva to the max... though not necessarily a bad thing. I always liked that stuff. ;)

Best episode yet, I loved it. 10/10

Duke

09-10-2006, 01:43 AM

About damn time this series had a good episode. Last one was...the Corralian episode I believe?

Although the whole "Renton goes beserk" stuff could have been avoided if Talho or Holland or somebody had just told Renton right from the start that Eureka's damn cocoon can only be treated by a Mawmutt (or whatever it's called) priest. Seriously, is it THAT hard to give Renton a straight-up answer?

I am amazed that Renton didn't get so much as a scratch after being slammed into so many metal objects in this episode (especially after he was slammed into the metal railing, that should've produced blood).

Hyper Shadow X

09-10-2006, 01:50 AM

The ending was like watching a later eppy of Eva.

Duelist

09-10-2006, 02:00 AM

Well I sure picked a violent one for my introduction to Eureka 7. Yes, you heard me right. This was my first episode.

And I have no again what is really going on, but it's damn interesting.

v1cious

09-10-2006, 02:02 AM

Looks like they kept a close up of the arm.

Not sure if it's the close up you all are talking about.
no that's not it. http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j86/8GaugeBrett/Eureka%20seveN/Episode%2020/vlcsnap-2670744.jpg

djthomp

09-10-2006, 02:09 AM

Although the whole "Renton goes beserk" stuff could have been avoided if Talho or Holland or somebody had just told Renton right from the start that Eureka's damn cocoon can only be treated by a Mawmutt (or whatever it's called) priest. Seriously, is it THAT hard to give Renton a straight-up answer?
Oh, no freakin kidding. Considering the destruction the kid seems to be capable of when lost and confused and so forth, they ought to be giving him some straight-up answers every episode. Now, I've only seen what AS has shown of this show so far, but I can only imagine there are details about Eureka and the Nirvash that he really ought to be told about, if not for his own good but for the safety of everyone around him.

Neo Ultra Mike

09-10-2006, 03:36 AM

You know watching the first part of this episode it kind of made it hard to cheer for Holland (when Renton first bit his hand I kind of imagined him doing it a lot more viciously and ripping some skin off for some reason, but I dind't think they'd take that viciousness and pull it up about 5 fold on the mechs later) but when you find out that it is for Eureka and that Holland was always just concerned with protecting her it starts making sense. Sadly though Renton finding that out when it comes crunch time equals one rampaging piloted Nirvage. Seriously it threw me off just how bloody Renton got with those military suits (and jeez they editted out a leg falling out as well as an arm? That would of just been exxtra brutual). And just what exactly does that mean anyway (once again ES did the "is he doing....." and not really answering the question, this time with what could be the reason Nirvage Type Zero's giving into this hostility). But yeah a pretty good ep. Hard for poor Renton but still a good one.

The Myst

09-10-2006, 04:05 AM

This is why I don't like Renton. He's not badass enough to just kick that jerk's ass. I mean, Holland is a total *******. Renton should just hit him from behind with a big stick. But he doesn't.

EDIT: Awesome, NGE reference. >_>

email2003

09-10-2006, 04:56 AM

Only highlight in this episode was Renton getting his ass kicked like always. God, everybody on that GekkoState sure love to beat the snot out of Renton.:D

ChibiGoku

09-10-2006, 05:32 AM

not that's not it. http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j86/8GaugeBrett/Eureka%20seveN/Episode%2020/vlcsnap-2670744.jpg

And it should be noted this aired on 7AM on a children timeslot in Japan... Figure THAT one out. (And the content shown there is not normally shown at the timeslot Eureka 7 was in.)

MeggieMay

09-10-2006, 08:02 AM

And it should be noted this aired on 7AM on a children timeslot in Japan... Figure THAT one out. (And the content shown there is not normally shown at the timeslot Eureka 7 was in.) Actually, I've heard that that the 7AM Sunday time slot that Eureka Seven had is not considered a childrens slot but a slot to air anime for older teens and young adults coming home from Saturday night partying (and the Saturday early morning slots are similar).

I don't know how true that is, however. Maybe someone knows more about how the weekend slots are viewed in Japan and can comment some more on this.

Nftnat

09-10-2006, 10:57 AM

You tell him, Hap.

Wait, did Talho really call out Renton's name in her sleep, or was that just a joke?

Well, at least the children are treating Renton better. Although they don't see the side of Holland that Renton sees. Holland makes certain of that, doesn't he?

We're seeing more of the Apple corps (Jobs and Woz) these days, aren't we?

And he's looking forward to severing communications, isn't he?

He's trying to convince himself again.

There's one or two too many parallels to the Crucifixion here to suit me.

And now will Renton and Talho have some quality time? Going into the commercial, that seems to be the case.

Renton, this is so not the time!

I know I'm slow in catching on, but Talho is jealous of Eureka, right?

So, you finally admit it.

And whadda ya know, Renton winds up saving Holland's life, and whadda ya know again, Holland doesn't appreciate it. And Renton doesn't care.

Does Renton here remind anyone else of Yuji Kaido in the later episodes of Blue Gender?

I don't know who's the bigger baby here. Holland and Renton both having tantrums. Why not just toss the both of them in a burlap bag or canvas sack, tie it up... no, Holland would have the advantage. Maybe KLF / LFO at 200 paces?

And he ralphs again. Man, it seems the most mature folks around here are Maurice Maeter and Linck.

What, no preview?

And so, aside from an IY rerun I hadn't yet taped, we close another night. Taping Cartoon Planet of course, in my sleep. Until next week.

Kagetsu

09-10-2006, 01:04 PM

EoE? Don't use acronyms before using the name,,,, some of us are slow :sweat:

I'm getting a little tired of watching Hollan beat on Renton for being a younger, better version of himself, and never telling him anything. This time he could have killed him twice over. The show really needs to get that gunk off Eureka if it wants to go somewhere, but the time between Tahoe and Renton was nice. I always liked how those two haven't, yet have gotten along, in their strange supportive way.

Renton in the nirvaush, now that was good. The way this show progresses, he had to do a "Shinji" sooner or later.

Master Moron

09-10-2006, 01:47 PM

The last episode of FMA was MA, and GITS was MA on several occasions.

Oh me oh my. You know, I promised myself after last week that I'd quit making unneccesary Eva connections to this show. But now...jeez, make it a little harder why don't you. At least they never showed Toji's arm and leg dangling from Unit 01's foot. And what was with the thing that materialized on the rock in front of the Nirvash with Renton's face (I think)? If that had been Eureka's face, that would have just been too much.

How come you didn't mention Renton saying "Damnit, damnit, damnit, damnit, damnit, damnit, damnit."

:eek: Holy CRAP! That was just nuts there at the end.

That had to be an EoE reference in the scene with Talho and Renton. "Did you come in here to do lewd things to her body while she was asleep". Rofl

But Shinji didn't do lewd things with Asuka's body. He did lewd things with his hand...

Space Chief

09-10-2006, 02:01 PM

But Shinji didn't do lewd things with Asuka's body.
He did lewd things on Asuka's body.;)

The Koopinator

09-10-2006, 02:11 PM

Holy crap. This episode was monumental. I mean, did you guys see that?

HAP OPENED HIS EYES!

(Unless this isn't the first time, in which case this episode is shocking for Renton killing a married man due to his own problems.)

beren

09-10-2006, 02:32 PM

v1cious

09-10-2006, 03:50 PM

Awesome, NGE reference. >_>

people keeping saying this, and i just don't get it. i don't remember Shinji ever going nuts like that.

purplehairedwonder

09-10-2006, 09:02 PM

Finally an episode that left me with some kind of emotion. Eureka 7 really has been fairly meh with the random pretty good episode here and there. Overall I enjoy it, but it just hasn't felt like it was going anywhere for awhile (maybe because the crew was literally not going anywhere?). But this episode ended in a way that left an impression with me. The arm... the wedding ring. It really hits you in the gut when you see that. Just, damn. This is the kind of episode that keeps me interested in the show.

The Myst

09-10-2006, 10:45 PM

people keeping saying this, and i just don't get it. i don't remember Shinji ever going nuts like that.

It was the scene with Talho and Renton in Eureka's room where Talho mentions he was probably thinking about doing lewd things.

I usually don't go for these kinds of references but NGE is just such a huge anime that I could believe they were making a reference to it.

Lutochris

09-11-2006, 01:39 AM

How come you didn't mention Renton saying "Damnit, damnit, damnit, damnit, damnit, damnit, damnit."

I thought it was implied since I mentioned the Toji/Unit 03 incident. That's what Shinji did when he was futiley trying to stop the dummy plug.

Did anyone else notice, after Renton noticed the arm, and he started breathing in and out all exasperated (and in shock probably), it sounded like there were 2 different people breathing on the soundtrack. Maybe I'm crazy but I could have sworn it sounded like we were hearing two different people.

Freedom Fighter

09-11-2006, 03:44 AM

The title of the episode alone invites trippy scenes, and that was last week, before I even watched the episode!

At this point, there's no way there's anyone that disagrees with this statement: Holland just doesn't want Renton being around Eureka. I'm still trying to pinpoint the exact reason why he's so protective of her, but I'm practically convinced it's not for romantic reasons. That's definitely a fact thanks to Talho, who hates all the attention Holland gives Eureka rather than her.

But whatever problems Holland has (or had), and by extension, Talho and the rest of the crew's knowledge of it, it's resulted in a worst-case scenario in Renton suddenly going postal and killing... no, massacring a poor military soldier who was just trying to do his job. You see, people, this is why you don't run away from your problems... 'cause you end up screwing someone else up.

7 out of 10 for "Substance Abuse."

RAINMAN

09-11-2006, 05:18 AM

Holland seem to be the only one that knows whats really going on here. I dought Eureka knows anything about the nirvush either,otherwise she would know why it not responding to her anymore. After this he should tell everyone everything they need to know instead of acting like sum jackass know it all.

Now what about renton? What will happend to him after this mess. Lock up in the cell again? Band from the nirvush again? Or worst? :confused:

Conan-san

09-11-2006, 08:22 AM

Renton going ape-schibe on everyone was just about the most awesome thing this half of E7 has going on.

adoptedBatpuppy

09-11-2006, 10:54 AM

Is this really Eureka 7? No, it can't be, that isn't like Eureka 7 at all.

All I have to say is I wasn't expecting this, I really enjoy this show, but this episode had an entirely diffrent feel to it, maybe it is because I am sick, who knows.

It's possible beacause of all the blood. I would love to see how Renton will deal with a pain of being a killer.

Duke

09-11-2006, 02:21 PM

At this point, there's no way there's anyone that disagrees with this statement: Holland just doesn't want Renton being around Eureka. I'm still trying to pinpoint the exact reason why he's so protective of her, but I'm practically convinced it's not for romantic reasons. That's definitely a fact thanks to Talho, who hates all the attention Holland gives Eureka rather than her.
One has to wonder why Holland invited Renton aboard then. Sure, Renton was a major Holland fan, but it was obvious right from the start that Renton loved Eureka at first sight.