C&C - Anything Else/Cards [9/3-9/9]

[Mugen]

Woah, Saturday was inconsistent again.:shrug:

[livingfruitvirus]

Anyone else shocked at the spread?

11 PM Futurama - 413,000

I'd say that's a good lead-in for that show they're test running.

11:30 PM Shin Chan - didn't place
12 AM - FMA - 262,000

But apparently they didn't stick around. Not good.

[Mugen]

Anyone else shocked at the spread?

11 PM Futurama - 413,000

I'd say that's a good lead-in for that show they're test running.

11:30 PM Shin Chan - didn't place
12 AM - FMA - 262,000

But apparently they didn't stick around. Not good.

It seems lately that people like the 11 pm Futurama so much that they decide to watch the same episode again at 2 am.

[Carlos]

Here's Rabi's ratings report since it was in the other thread:

"super early ratings!


Saturday, August 26th

Futurama: 413,000
Futurama (2 am): 295,000
FMA: 262,000
down images/smilies/frown.gif


Up: Futurama,
Down: FMA, Futurama (2 am)


Sunday, August 27th

F-Guy: 992,000
Chicken: 702,000
Metal: 570,000
back up!


Up: F-Guy (x2), Chicken (x2)
New: Metal"

[Beat]

I think we can call Shin-Chan another failure.

[The Myst]

I think we can call Shin-Chan another failure.

Maybe in ratings but not in the eyes of the Toonzone populace... well, except you.

[William C. Maune]

I think we can call Shin-Chan another failure.

Considering how inconsistent we know Saturdays are, with pretty much whatever they air, I don't think we can call Shin-Chan much of anything based on what little we know. Shin-Chan's fate will likely pretty much be decided based on how the weekday run fared.

[Duke]

I think we can call Shin-Chan another failure.
o.O How? It's aired 20 times and we only know the exact ratings for exactly 1 of those times. Two of the times got below 262,000, but we don't know the ratings for the weekday airings.

[tucsoncoyote]

Considering how inconsistent we know Saturdays are, with pretty much whatever they air, I don't think we can call Shin-Chan much of anything based on what little we know. Shin-Chan's fate will likely pretty much be decided based on how the weekday run fared.

I tend to agree here Will. I feel that Shin Chan really didn't get a decent run (Not enough of Shin's Hiney dance) I mean come on, 6 Episodes is all they gave this as an experiment. and I feel that by not giving enough episodes it would fail like this. but if they gave it say.. 13 episodes I think folks would have watched more and I think the ratings would be higher.

But 6 Episodes is hardly what I call an Experiment that failed.

:coyote:

[Zyzzybalubah]

While I still feel Shin-chan has some things that it needs to fix (I still hate random English popculture in dubs and some of the "adult lines" seem to try a litttle too hard IMO) the last episode they played was real funny and I did like some of the other episodes. I guess it might have not done well on Saturdays, I wonder how the weekday ratings were? I wouldn't mind it becoming a regular AS series, but I guess we'll have to wait and see. Unfortunately, AS and anime normally just don't mix. All the shows I wanted to succeed and get more episodes (Lupin, Case Closed, etc.) never end up doing so. :(

Well just keep the faith people and write in the AS boards like the person from Funi recommends if you really want it!

P.S. Remember, the Venture Bros. didn't do well on Saturdays... maybe they'll cave in and decide to be lenient towards Shin. That's kind of pushing it though because Venture is an AS original while Shin is an anime title.

[Mugen]

I tend to agree here Will. I feel that Shin Chan really didn't get a decent run (Not enough of Shin's Hiney dance) I mean come on, 6 Episodes is all they gave this as an experiment. and I feel that by not giving enough episodes it would fail like this. but if they gave it say.. 13 episodes I think folks would have watched more and I think the ratings would be higher.

But 6 Episodes is hardly what I call an Experiment that failed.

:coyote:
Fooly Cooly was only 6 episodes and more random than Shin-Chan. It also happened to be one of the better performing animes on AS.

[William C. Maune]

though because Venture is an AS original while Shin is an anime title.

On the other hand, that also means that Shin is a lot cheaper than Venture. Thus, the level of ratings it has to pull to stick around isn't as high as Venture's.

[The Myst]

I've been thinking: Venture Brothers desperately needs to change to a different time-slot.

The ratings for it are bad but we know there are no shortage of fans. The only reason I can find for the bad ratings is the time-slot. For one thing, the Futurama lead-in is weak. Futurama has no new episodes and everybody's seen every episode. Nobody watches it anymore. On Saturday, they do, but it only gets in the top three because the ratings for other shows are even worse. We've seen the weekday ratings when they were showing how Pee Wee was doing a while back. In those weekday ratings, even anime was beating Futurama. The hour of Futurama lately is quite obviously something of a failure, as are the current airings on Sunday which never make it into the top 3 no matter how bad the rest of the night did.

So Futurama as lead-in is one problem. A second problem, however, is that 10:30 time-slot itself. The ratings for the pre-11:00 shows are bad on weekdays and on Sundays. The only things to ever do well there were American Dad and Family Guy. Nothing else placed there has worked yet. For one thing, I think people just aren't used to AS starting then. AS has always started at 11:00. It's just the way it's always been. I don't think people are remembering anything's on before 11:00. If they do, it must be a really big deal like Family Guy.

I know I personally forget every week and have to watch VB on it's second airing.

The fact is, the time-slot is terrible, especially for a show that needs a good lead-in and a good time-slot as bad as this one.

The way I see it, this could be fixed if the switched Family Guy and Venture Brothers. Put Family Guy on at 10:30 and make it the lead-in to Venture Brothers which will air at 11:00. That way, people who don't watch the 10:00 o'clock hour will tune in directly to it and the people who follow Family Guy in particular will watch Venture Brothers immediately after.

But of course, AS will leave it where it is until the ratings drop so bad that there will be no third season. Thanks, dumbasses.

[tucsoncoyote]

Fooly Cooly was only 6 episodes and more random than Shin-Chan. It also happened to be one of the better performing animes on AS.

Alright and there are only 6 episodes... and.. do you see any NEW FLCL Episodes coming out of that? I thought not....

:coyote:

[William C. Maune]

There were never meant to be more than 6 episodes of FLCL. Its a self-contained 6 episode series that was meant to be only 6 episodes from the very beginning.

[The Landstander]

For various reasons I managed to miss most of the newer episodes of Family Guy, so that was the first time I saw that one. I'm really mixed on the new episodes; it's still overall funny, but it seems for every joke that works one falls flat. And doing something like that Burger King internet thing without even changing it is just lazy. Still...Noid fight, licking Chris, not picking up Cleveland, hotel sensor. Damn middleground.

And they should really stop with the attempts at "rambling" humor. They just don't pull it off.

[The Myst]

For various reasons I managed to miss most of the newer episodes of Family Guy, so that was the first time I saw that one. I'm really mixed on the new episodes; it's still overall funny, but it seems for every joke that works one falls flat. And doing something like that Burger King internet thing without even changing it is just lazy. Still...Noid fight, licking Chris, not picking up Cleveland, hotel sensor. Damn middleground.

And they should really stop with the attempts at "rambling" humor. They just don't pull it off.

That was an ok episode but try to catch "Petergeist" or "PTV". Those were my favorites of this season at least.

On a completely unrelated note, man I love Stroker And Hoop. Why exactly was this cancelled again? To pay for new Minoriteam?

[jbanks97]

Fooly Cooly was only 6 episodes and more random than Shin-Chan. It also happened to be one of the better performing animes on AS.

It also gave the second lowest Saturday numbers ever (at least according to the thread a few weeks back. I don't think you can 100% categorize a show's success based on it's Saturday numbers considering.
1. Saturday is the lowest performing night for TV period and
2. Anime performs better on weekdays anyway.

***I don't think you can look at a block of satuday's ratings and categorize people's viewing habits by saying "People watched this, turned off the tv for that, turned it back on for the rerun". I would say 90% of the people who catch the rerun are not the same people who saw the original. I think, (at least with the 18-24 demo), most can't watch the entire block and just catch whatever they can on a Saturday.

[Duke]

It also gave the second lowest Saturday numbers ever (at least according to the thread a few weeks back. I don't think you can 100% categorize a show's success based on it's Saturday numbers considering.
1. Saturday is the lowest performing night for TV period and
2. Anime performs better on weekdays anyway.
Eh, but by then FLCL had been run plenty of times, so it's not too surprising. I doubt Bebop was still pulling in 300K when it was still on either.

[tucsoncoyote]

There were never meant to be more than 6 episodes of FLCL. Its a self-contained 6 episode series that was meant to be only 6 episodes from the very beginning.

And that's my point Will. Shin Chan is sort of like Case Closed (Over 100 Episodes) and all the fans get are 6? I mean 13 episodes would have been a better run for Shin chan then just 6 eps...after all It would have been fun to see Funmation create 13 dubbed eps and spread them out for a good test. but 6 episodes of Shin Chan is sort of like hoping Stroker and Hoop or Korgoth The Barbarian will fly on just the pilot alone.

It also gave the second lowest Saturday numbers ever (at least according to the thread a few weeks back. I don't think you can 100% categorize a show's success based on it's Saturday numbers considering.
1. Saturday is the lowest performing night for TV period and
2. Anime performs better on weekdays anyway.

***I don't think you can look at a block of satuday's ratings and categorize people's viewing habits by saying "People watched this, turned off the tv for that, turned it back on for the rerun". I would say 90% of the people who catch the rerun are not the same people who saw the original. I think, (at least with the 18-24 demo), most can't watch the entire block and just catch whatever they can on a Saturday.

I Tend to agree. Saturday Night is the worst night for any show (be it on cable or not, and be it anime or not), and I Feel that Shin Chan in this case got a "Raw Deal" for it's very short run.

Shin Chan I feel could do better if they showed us another 6 episodes, and it would have been a lot better. but Saturday nights are a death slot no one wants.

:coyote:

[Master Moron]

On a completely unrelated note, man I love Stroker And Hoop. Why exactly was this cancelled again? To pay for new Minoriteam?

Usually when an original gets worse ratings than anime, it's not worth the cost.

[livingfruitvirus]

Usually when an original gets worse ratings than anime, it's not worth the cost.

Plus, I believe the fact that it had crappy ratings AND was consuming a half hour weighed against it.

[Mugen]

Plus, I believe the fact that it had crappy ratings AND was consuming a half hour weighed against it.


Damn.:sweat:

Too bad you couldn't force people to watch it, The Myst.:raven:

[Beat]

Plus, I believe the fact that it had crappy ratings AND was consuming a half hour weighed against it.

True. Twice the length, twice the risk.

[Duelist]

I'm hoping I might find an mp3 of the ratings rundown music somewhere...unless it's free range. :shrug:

Anyone know?

[Timmay]

Rene scares me.

[TnAdct1]

Okay, it's only one day, but is anyone else already missing Crayon Shin-Chan on weekdays?

[Master Moron]

Rene scares me.

Who's Rene?

[Happy]

It really is a shame Stroker and Hoop got cancelled. Oh well, we gotta take the bad with the good.

[The Myst]

Who's Rene?

I don't think there was a Pee Wee topic at that point so I think he was referring to Miss Rene on Pee Wee's Playhouse.

[jbanks97]

That's the third time I've seen Big O's "The Show Must go On", and I still have only the slightest clue as to what actually happened.

It didn't anger me as much as Wolf's Rain (at least this time), didn't confuse me as much as NGE, still...............I would love to know the official explaination

[Beat]

The conclusion is that there was no Season 3, so the cliffhanger was never resolved.

[J'onn J'onzz]

Speaking of Big O, I think they skipped episode 25...

[herbkir]

That's the third time I've seen Big O's "The Show Must go On", and I still have only the slightest clue as to what actually happened.

It didn't anger me as much as Wolf's Rain (at least this time), didn't confuse me as much as NGE, still...............I would love to know the official explaination

Basically, Roger convinced Angel Rosewater to take over production of the Paradigm story and reset it. Note that in the final seconds of the series we see Dorothy as a human, and Roger without his Big O watch anymore, implying the robots are gone from the new incarnation of the Paradigm City story. That's the gist of it. True, the ending left a lot of stuff a mystery, but there was some closure on the main plotlines so it wasn't that bad. (^_*)

[vegetable]

18-34: 375,000 (#1 / +9,000)
18-49: 513,000 (#3 / +23,000)
2+: 872,000 (#6 / +3,000)


The Family Guy showing that made the top 10 18-34 was a TBS showing from Monday at 10.

[Swordfish_II]

Basically, Roger convinced Angel Rosewater to take over production of the Paradigm story and reset it. Note that in the final seconds of the series we see Dorothy as a human, and Roger without his Big O watch anymore, implying the robots are gone from the new incarnation of the Paradigm City story. That's the gist of it. True, the ending left a lot of stuff a mystery, but there was some closure on the main plotlines so it wasn't that bad. (^_*)Wow, that's a big slice of speculation pie.

Dorothy looks the same as she does throughout the whole series. And how do you know whether Roger has his watch or not?

[ClockStomper]

Actually, the real explanation is that the finale is a huge rip-off of an old British Sci-Fi show called UFO. The ending is a huge hodge-podge of rip-offs shown in breif, vague scenes so they wouldn't have to explain any of the various loose ends they failed to resolve.

Each of the various explanations raises a billion plotholes, especially in the original 13 episodes.

[Duelist]

Okay, it's only one day, but is anyone else already missing Crayon Shin-Chan on weekdays?

Indeed. Here's hoping they deemed it a success.

[K-S-O]

Aw, I didn't get to see episodes 5 and 6 of Shin-Chan. Well, here's hoping for a successful experiment!

By the way, what's the deal with the Venture Brothers episode "Home Insecurity" on the Fix? The episode just stops abruptly when they show Brock in the car with those other guys.

[livingfruitvirus]

Aw, I didn't get to see episodes 5 and 6 of Shin-Chan. Well, here's hoping for a successful experiment!

6 will rerun tomorrow.

[TnAdct1]

6 will rerun tomorrow. Are you sure? When I checked the schedule for tomorrow on my Digital Cable box, Super Milk-Chan is scheduled for 11:30 PM instead of Shin-Chan (although I really hope it's a mistake and Shin-Chan does air tomorrow).

[Duke]

According to the latest grids, Milk-chan stays at its 5am slot and the 11:30 slot this Saturday will be the Korgoth pilot (which will also air this Sunday, as the TZ Schedule shows) before Metalocalypse and Robot Chicken air in that spot.

[Duelist]

someone please record the shin-chan ending on like mp3 in case it doesn't air again.

it's plenty addictive.

[livingfruitvirus]

Wait a minute.

WHERE'S KORGOTH?!

[Scirel]

Wait a minute.

WHERE'S KORGOTH?!

Same place as those new RC's they advertised a few weeks ago but never showed.

[Kitschensyngk]

A viewer just asked about Shin-chan.

They said they were making phone calls.

Is that a good thing?