What happens when we die?

[Dr. OneWay]

Before I even start the thread, keep in mind: NO OVER-ZEALOUS RELIGION TALK.

So, what do you think happens when we die? Do we either go to Heaven or Hell, do we get re-incarnated, do we just sit in a grave and rot away? What are your ideas, theories, or concerns on this issue?

[solarflere]

Before I even start the thread, keep in mind: NO RELIGION TALK.

So, what do you think happens when we die? Do we either go to Heaven or Hell, do we get re-incarnated, do we just sit in a grave and rot away? What are your ideas, theories, or concerns on this issue?You die, get burried and thants the end. Nothing happans when you die. Death is the end of all things.

[Mugen]

I heard it gets pretty dark and cold, but this is based on internet and Wikipedia rumors.

[Mr. Pedro]

If the Brak show is any indication:

Hot clubs, loose women and salsa music. :brak:

[Dr. OneWay]

You die, get burried and thants the end. Nothing happans when you die. Death is the end of all things.

That doesn't sound pleasent. Too bad :sad:

[solarflere]

That doesn't sound pleasent. Too bad :sad:In most cases, it can't be hapled. My question is, why in the world did you mske this thread? Why are you even thinking about death? It will come when the time is right. No need to wait or anticipate it. You are still young.

[Dr. OneWay]

In most cases, it can't be hapled. My question is, why in the world did you mske this thread? Why are you even thinking about death? It will come when the time is right. No need to wait or anticipate it. You are still young.

I am in no hurry to die. But today, it was rainy, and gloomy, and I thought "Ya know, there's gotta be some explanation to where people go when they die, if they go anywhere". Just a simple question my brain was pondering, that's all. No need to worry :p

[Humble]

One of the worst case scenarios would be entering a state of oblivious sleep. :p

-Humble

[Mittenz]

They say that some things shouldn't be known to mortals...

[Zubby]

The Brak Show version don't sound too bad (although loose women are wasted on me).

Rotting in a box is closr to the truth, or to paraphrase Monty Python, you get stuffed into the flames, crackle crackle crackle, then your relatives get a box of ashes that they can pretend are yours.

[EinBebop]

Afterlife IS religion.

And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment. - Hebrews 9:27

If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. - Revelations 20:15

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life... Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. - John 3:16, 18

"What no eye has seen, nor ear heard, nor the heart of man imagined, what God has prepared for those who love him" - I Corinthians 2:9

[solarflere]

They say that some things shouldn't be known to mortals...They Who?:p

[Wanted]

We to to Hea... whoops, "no religion talk".

Your family, I suppose, spares no expense to put you six feet under. Unless you end up being cut up so they can rightfully determine your cause of death. Then they bury you.

[SS4goku]

Umnm you say no religion talk but you ask us a question like this, no offense but if you dont know that you go to heaven or hell when you die and that's it than you most likely are atthiest.

P.S. Please forgive me if I spelt that the wrong way.

[Sr.Infierno]

The afterlife doesn't have to be backed up with religion. I'm a big fan of spiritualism and mediumship and stuff like that, and I've read a lot of books that state how conciousness can survive physical death through quantum physics.

If you're scared about death, visit these sites--->www.near-death.com (http://www.near-death.com), www.victorzammit.com/ (http://www.victorzammit.com/)

They really helped me out a lot when I was going through my death anxiety/near-suicidal phase.

[SS4goku]

Look its plain and simple when we die we will finally know the truth for I already know the truth but even if I told you the truth you'll wouldn't believe the truth.

[Areku]

Before I even start the thread, keep in mind: NO RELIGION TALK.

So, what do you think happens when we die? Do we either go to Heaven or Hell, do we get re-incarnated, do we just sit in a grave and rot away? What are your ideas, theories, or concerns on this issue?

You haunt people that you hate…I’ll be seeing you “Joe”.

[Kagetsu]

You die, get burried and thants the end. Nothing happans when you die. Death is the end of all things.That was a surprise to me. The only Belief that has no after life that I know of.

Biologically, as the oxygen dwindels in the brain, it dumps adenaline and endorphins to try to save itself. Tunnel vision, flashes of light, memories, a feeling of euphoria,,, after that is anyones guess. After the panic of trying to survive, it's supposed to be rather pleasant. :sad:

(yes I think about this on occasion)

[Sr.Infierno]

I already know the truth but even if I told you the truth you'll wouldn't believe the truth.

God...?

Is that you?

[Ajax]

Look its plain and simple when we die we will finally know the truth for I already know the truth but even if I told you the truth you'll wouldn't believe the truth.But can that really be true. Would you really "know" the truth after your dead? Is it really that plain and simple?:p

[SS4goku]

But can that really be true. Would you really "know" the truth after your dead? Is it really that plain and simple?:p

I thought the guy said no religion talk so how am I to tell you the truth? Look if you dont believe in the bible if you don't have faith in the bible than you know not the truth. But if you do you already know the truth.

[solarflere]

That was a surprise to me. The only Belief that has no after life that I know of.

Biologically, as the oxygen dwindels in the brain, it dumps adenaline and endorphins to try to save itself. Tunnel vision, flashes of light, memories, a feeling of euphoria,,, after that is anyones guess. After the panic of trying to survive, it's supposed to be rather pleasant. :sad:

(yes I think about this on occasion)Thats a pre-death, or half past death, not after death.:sweat: What can I say, I am feeling depressed today (today out of all the day). And besides, with the right "equipment" you can feel all those things you listed without actualy dieing.

[solarflere]

God...?

Is that you?iGod (http://www.titane.ca/concordia/dfar251/igod/main.html)
You can talk to god now, we have the technology.

[Dr. OneWay]

Umnm you say no religion talk but you ask us a question like this, no offense but if you dont know that you go to heaven or hell when you die and that's it than you most likely are atthiest.

P.S. Please forgive me if I spelt that the wrong way.

There's no religion talk allowed on the board, thats why. And you sure can answer the constant question from your beliefs, without giving a ton of bible verses and God talk. You can think of heaven or hell as being non-religious, if those are your beliefs.

I am not athiest (sp?). I am a Christian. I go to church. I believe in God. But I'm not one of those overally-holy people who run around the streets telling you their religion (not saying you do :P) And I never truly stated my beliefs on my first post. I believe we go to heaven. But I can't be 100% sure. I'M HUMAN. Give me a break.

Please watch what you say before you start making false statements.

[SS4goku]

There's no religion talk allowed on the board, thats why. And you sure can answer the constant question from your beliefs, without giving a ton of bible verses and God talk. You can think of heaven or hell as being non-religious.

I am not athiest (sp?). I am a Christian. I go to church. I believe in God.

Please watch what you say before you start making false statements.

Dude did you even understand what I meant I mean that if you don't believe in heaven or hell or in God for that matter than mostly that means your athiest*. So calm the heack down dude I was just expressing what I thought, isn't that what this thread was about.

[Dr. OneWay]

Dude did you even understand what I meant I mean that if you don't believe in heaven or hell or in God for that matter than mostly that means your athiest*. So calm the heack down dude I was just expressing what I thought, isn't that what this thread was about.

I am perfectly calm. I never raised my voice, until I edited my post.

Just because I'm not sure Heaven or Hell exists doesn't make me athiest. What makes you think that? Lots of people ponder this question everyday.

[Sr.Infierno]

Dude did you even understand what I meant I mean that if you don't believe in heaven or hell or in God for that matter than mostly that means your athiest*. So calm the heack down dude I was just expressing what I thought, isn't that what this thread was about.

I have a deep urge to correct you, but I don't want to violate the "religion" rule

[EinBebop]

There's no religion talk allowed on the board, thats why.Unless the rules were changed recently and I missed it (and I see no evidence of that in the cafe faq), you are incorrect.

[Dr. OneWay]

Unless the rules were changed recently and I missed it (and I see no evidence of that in the cafe faq), you are incorrect.

It's in the faq:



Controversial topics
Technically, posting on controversial topics (like religion) is against Toon Zone rules. For the time being, political discussions have been banned from the Cafe. As far as other allowable topics, please observe the following guidelines:

[Antiyonder]

Speaking as a Christian of course:

Your mortal shell lies in the ground devoured by worms.

The lord himself will send you to an angel who will read to you the story that was your life.

You will get to do anything in heaven, just avoid winding up your clock (As seen in "All Dogs Go To Heaven).

[EinBebop]

It's in the faq:She said "technically" (leaving the option to close it in the future) while only explicity disallowing politicals. To my knowledge, that stance has never changed. In fact, I'd wager there's not been a single topic ever closed on the basis of it being religious, and I've never hesitated to bring the subject up when I was more active here.

Otherwise, i never would've got away with Do suicides go to hell? (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=125872) and Christmasphobia (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=155583)!! :)

[Elven Moon]

As an athiest, I can say I really don't know. The idea of death terrifies me, but what can I do? Sure, going to some wonderful afterlife would be nice, but I think the best you could hope for is ending up as a ghost (there are a lot of things out there too strange to debunk this theory) if such a thing were real.

[DarthGonzo]

Hmm, I'm cant think of something clever so I'll just use great little come-back from Dr. Stupid in an old Marvel Ren and Stimpy comic.

Q: Whrere will I go when I die?
A: I'm not sure, but I know that when I die I'll go into syndication.

[Dr. OneWay]

She said "technically" (leaving the option to close it in the future) while only explicity disallowing politicals. To my knowledge, that stance has never changed. In fact, I'd wager there's not been a single topic ever closed on the basis of it being religious, and I've never hesitated to bring the subject up when I was more active here.

Otherwise, i never would've got away with Do suicides go to hell? (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=125872) and Christmasphobia (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=155583)!! :)

Alright, I see what your saying. There's still religion being mentioned in the thread, and it's pretty tame, so I guess it's not a big deal.

EDIT: I changed the original post =)

[Zubby]

Originally Posted by SS4goku
I already know the truth but even if I told you the truth you'll wouldn't believe the truth.
God...?

Is that you?

Unlikely. An omnipotent being woud know how to use punctuation.

[Beat]

Someone once said that death and its afterthoughts are something no one could be sure of, but that no one could escape the wager. Think of it as a cosmic Let's make a deal. Do you do what you want, or do you trade it for what's behind the final curtain?

[Captain Zechs]

Geez, this thread is going downhill fast, Im surprised it is still open.

Look, I think everyone should be allowed to believe what they think is best, I dont think anyone has the right to tell someone else they are wrong, why? Because it is belief and technically it cannot be wrong in the person who does believe it, only in the eyes of others.

But yeah...

[tucsoncoyote]

Actually I believe that in theory George Burns said what death is in Oh God Book 2 and it's a rather unique thinking of philosophical look at this.

In this movie a little 9 or 10 year old girl has been writing on the playground "Think God". Of course people think she's crazy. But during one scene (where "God" picks her up at a train station and takes her home in a motorcycle sidecar, that the little girl asks perhaps a rather interesting yet curious question to George.. and what he says may be the best philosophical answer to death.

The Little girl asks :God, why is there times where people are sad? Why is it that some people get sick and some even die?

Now George Burns came up with this very interesting plot twist.

He said, "If we got rid of sadness, then happiness would have to go, if We got rid of pain, then pleasure also would not be needed. (you can see where this is headed), and well if you got rid of death, well then Life would be meaningless.

In short, without the death factor thrown in, life in general would be pretty boring and meaningless. We all have to live our lives to the fullest and accept whatever fate we get when we die.

Another person who best said it was perhaps my own mother. she said, "if you take all the good things in life, and combine them with all the bad things in life. the end result of all of this is that your net value on life is in fact.. Zero.. (Which is in fact what death is)

so without all the experiences that we share, enjoy, and yes even worry and suffer through, Life would be rather pointless I feel. after all we're given only x amount of time till we die so i say Let's make the best use of it..

Oh and when I die? I'll probably end up doing 1 of 2 things.

1. I'll put myself on a deep space probe (in a tiny canister that I will have them inscribe (On Vacation).. I've always wanted to see the universe.. and I've not had a vacation since I was 20.

or

2) I'll be buried in the ground, some tombstone saying what good or bad I did in the world..

but again.. like I said, without death, Life would be completely meaningless. Nuff said.

:coyote:

[Artimus Gigan]

There are multiple choices

A) You are recriuted into the Army of Valhalla where you fight alongside Odin, his Valkyries, and other departed souls in the Battle of Ragnarok

B) You get sent into the Farplane and can be eventually summoned back

C) If life forms were created using your DNA, you can eventually take possenion of their body and re-incarnate yourself

D) GAME OVER

-->Restart from last Save--------------End<--


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Personally, I'm not really in a rush to find out. Allthough I have heard that having a near death experiance supposedly gives you a view into the hereafter, but I got nothing from mine. Then again I wasn't technecly alive yet either.

[EinBebop]

He said, "If we got rid of sadness, then happiness would have to go, if We got rid of pain, then pleasure also would not be needed. (you can see where this is headed), and well if you got rid of death, well then Life would be meaningless.The Biblical description of Heaven seems to defy that.

And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man. He will dwell with them, and they will be his people, and God himself will be with them as their God. He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning nor crying nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away." - Revelation 21:3-4

"What no eye has seen, nor ear heard, nor the heart of man imagined, what God has prepared for those who love him" - I Corinthians 2:9

[Gatomon41]

Sort of depends. God, and God alone, makes the final decision wither or not a soul enters the states of Hell, Purgatory, or Haven.

When I mean "states", I mean the states of the soul enters. Hell is the state of a soul without God. Purgatory is the state of a soul that can enter haven, but first must be purified of his/her sins. Haven is the state of the soul when he/she is with God, pure happiness.

[Dr. OneWay]

Geez, this thread is going downhill fast, Im surprised it is still open.

Look, I think everyone should be allowed to believe what they think is best, I dont think anyone has the right to tell someone else they are wrong, why? Because it is belief and technically it cannot be wrong in the person who does believe it, only in the eyes of others.

But yeah...

The thread is doing fine.

I agree with you, everyone has their beliefs, and are allowed to stick with them without being told what's right and what's not right. I just don't like when people make false statements about me.

[Leaping Larry Jojo]

I like the idea of reincarnation, but I'm not sure I believe in it. There have been examples of possibly reincarnated people, but there are other factors we must consider.

But yeah. I think I can sorta dig the recycling idea.

If reincarnation doesn't exist, well, that's fine too, because I'd be too dead to care.

[Czar Gato]

This thread reminds me of one of my favorite Irish sayings:

"There are only two things in this life that matter: Either you are well or sick. If you're well, there's nothing to fear; but if you're sick, then you only have two things to worry about: either you get well or you die. If you get well, then there's nothing to fear; but if you die, then there's only two things to worry about: either you go to Heaven or to Hell. If you go to Heaven, then there's nothing to fear; and if you go to Hell? You'll be to busy meeting up with old friends to worry about a thing."

Paraphrased, of course, but it pretty much sums up my feelings. It's actually meant to be more of a "don't worry, be happy" sort of thing; I kinda like the "death happens, take what comes with it without fear" vibe, though.

[SilentBat18]

I would haunt friends just for the heck of it :p... then i would mingle with all the other poor souls that are stuck on earth wandering around and playing tricks on ppl as a means of entertainment... maybe find me a nice million dollar mansion to reside in and scare the wits out of everyone to get them out. adopt a dead cat... uh or maybe a few dead cats... and check out what its like to ACTUALLY sleep on a cloud.

if i could possess people, i would possess a cat and be treated like royalty by some rich hot dude somewhere in Lebanon. or maybe possess the CEO of WB and make him/her bring back Batman Beyond for another 5 seasons and 6 movies :D....

the after life would be so fun... but if i end up in Hell, well i'll just make alot of smores, kababs, grilled chicken and ribs :D

[Alex Toon]

I doubt that we'll ever figure out that question. Every person must go through it, but we all fear it. The only way to figure it out is to die, but our soul might never return to tell the answer.
To my way of thinking, you relive all the events and hobbies you enjoyed in your life,ad infinitum.

[EinBebop]

...we all fear it.I don't really. I'm not trying to sound brave; I'm really kind of a coward.. and I do fear the dying part (specifically the pain).

But trusting in God's promise, I see this as temporary stop on my way to a much better place, and that nothing I cling to here can compare to what's there. I'm ready go as soon as He's ready to take me.

These all died in faith, not having received the things promised, but having seen them and greeted them from afar, and having acknowledged that they were strangers and exiles on the earth.... they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared for them a city. - Hebrews 11:13,16

[purplehairedwonder]

Speaking as an atheist, I have no idea. Logically it seems like that's the end of the road. But I've always wanted to believe in an afterlife based not on one's belief in God, but on their qualities as a person. I don't really think it exists, but I'd like to think it does.

I also like the idea of reincarnation. There's a lot of support for the theory, but I can't honestly say I believe in that either.

I'd like to think we're reunited with our loved ones who have passed and watch over the living... but again, I can't say.

I can honestly say I fear death because I'm afraid that it's the end. But at the same time, I'll be too dead to care, so there ya go.

[Kaoru]

That doesn't sound pleasent. Too bad :sad: It's quite more pleasant sounding than something as sick as a thought of hell.

I certainly don't believe in any supernatural explanation though I'm open to possibilities, given scientific evidence. I think when you die you cease to exist and other life takes on from the matter that goes it's own ways. That is the way of the growing disorder of the Universe as it expands. This view makes sense to me the most because it's what I can observe and there are no other theories on death, only hypothesis' established by religions, which I don't trust.

BTW you can learn about the theory of growing disorder in thermodynamics from Stephen Hawking's writing.

[Wolfie~Giri]

"What happens when we die?" When I hear that question I ALWAYS think of the film American Beauty. (About the theory of life flashing before your eyes) It's sort of logical to think that a part of your life flashes through your mind before you actually die. But that's just me...

As for an answer to the question. I always thought of the feeling of eternal sleep when you die.

[Dr. OneWay]

It's quite more pleasant sounding than something as sick as a thought of hell.

True. But I still hate the thought of being eaten by worms. :p

[Kaoru]

[quote=whyiscrowdpurpl]It's quite more pleasant sounding than something as sick as a thought of hell.
quote]

True. But I still hate the thought of being eaten by worms. :p You get eaten by maggots either way, yuck. I won't bother asking to be cremated because I'll be "too dead to care", though.

To those people who said they don't know what happens - you are agnostic. Atheists like myself don't believe in supernatural and believe there is nothing for you when you die. If you ask me that's better than hell and heaven, also. I wouldn't want to be concious for an eternity, especially in a place designed by some superficial religion-obsessed guy. Anybody would go nuts at some point for sure! And let's be reasonable, 74 virgins barely lasts an eternity. ;)

[Ishtar]

I believe after Death, we go somewhere. Either Heaven, Hell, or Purgatory, we go somewhere. As a Christian, my personal beliefs on going to Heaven or Hell, is that maybe people don't actually go to Hell, but it's a place created to make humans afraid of commiting sins, or maybe in Purgatory the sinful parts of our souls are extracted out and sent to Hell while our purified soul goes to Heaven. Who knows, the best we can do before we die is guess.

[Gatomon41]

Anybody would go nuts at some point for sure! And let's be reasonable, 74 virgins barely lasts an eternity. ;)

Actually, there is no place in the Koran that says anywhere that a martyr will get 74 virgins. That's actually a street belief based on a quote of from the supoosed collected sayings of Mohammed, in which he compares paradise to a huge reward, but never says anyone would get a huge reqard. He just COMPARES paradise to a huge reward. I suggest one reads up on theology better.

[g_UnIt_GaNsTa]

Umnm you say no religion talk but you ask us a question like this, no offense but if you dont know that you go to heaven or hell when you die and that's it than you most likely are atthiest.

P.S. Please forgive me if I spelt that the wrong way.
So athiests do not know anything about the christian perception of the afterlife?

I don't really know but I'm pretty sure something happens. I'm Christian.

[Kaoru]

So athiests do not know anything about the christian perception of the afterlife? Most of us do. Many atheists have deconverted from one religion or another.

[Fresh V]

You'll never know what happens when you die until you're dead... And if you become nothing when you die, then you'll never know. It really scares me when I think of what will happen after I die. Like maybe you just become nothing and don't exist anymore. Think about it, you're not there anymore... I'm not good at explaining, so I hope you guys understand what I'm talking about. So all I can do is not think about it at all, and... yeah.

[Dr. OneWay]

You'll never know what happens when you die until you're dead... And if you become nothing when you die, then you'll never know. It really scares me when I think of what will happen after I die. Like maybe you just become nothing and don't exist anymore. Think about it, you're not there anymore... I'm not good at explaining, so I hope you guys understand what I'm talking about. So all I can do is not think about it at all, and... yeah.

Agreed. It's like, if there is no heaven or hell, no reincarnation, no nothing, you just die. Your nothing. It's so weird to even think about. I can't comprehend it.

But, it's weird, because their have been times where people have gone into cardiac arrest, and they literally are dead, but they survive the heart attack, and tell all the doctor's that they saw heaven. That they were there. It seems alittle far fetched, cause those people were probably all delusional from the drugs and from being weak, but either way, it seems like they were pretty persistent about what they supposedly "saw".

[Leaping Larry Jojo]

I think people don't so much as fear death as much as they fear not having some sort of legacy. Everyone wants to at least leave behind proof of existence, something that will be remembered for decades and decades. There are some people who live, die, and then are forgotten. I think ultimately people want to be remembered--and for some people, it doesn't matter if it's being remembered for something positive or negative.

Let's face it, death itself isn't scary. If you just die, and that's it, then you won't have anything to worry about when you're dead, because you simply don't exist anymore. If there's an afterlife, great, a new adventure. But either outcome is OK, as long as we leave behind something in the 'real' world.

[veemonjosh]

Unlikely. An omnipotent being woud know how to use punctuation.

Or would he just WANT you to think he can't use punctuation? ;)

[TheMecca]

You die, and then _____ appears (he looks like he was in the paintings by __ _____) and he's like "Hey, come with me to ______" and you go there and there are all these ______ who some of them are your old relatives but according to Captain Zechs you wouldn't know them anyway. Then ___ shows up and he's what you thought he was beard, sandals and all, and he gives you _____.

No religious discussion here.

edit: thanks Zechs, hilarity uppered with realism. :)

[Captain Zechs]

Actually when you go to heaven you supposedly will be "re-born" meaning that you wont remember any of your relatives.

[Dr. OneWay]

Actually when you go to heaven you supposedly will be "re-born" meaning that you wont remember any of your relatives.

So, you just get to meet them all over again? That's odd.

[Leaping Larry Jojo]

Well, technically, we really do get reborn all the time.

When we die, we either get buried or cremated. Either way, organisms that make up our body end up seeping into the ground. Eventually, parts of us get used by plants and/or then eaten by animals or other humans. Eventually we'll end up back into a human again through something they ate or ingested or BREATHED, and eventually back into sperm, and eventually, back as a baby again...in fact, one can say that perhaps people are already made up of several dead people...

In fact, we may get reborn as several organisms before we end up a human again. But, the food chain almost ensures that we never really "die"...

Blah blah blah...:yawn:

But the only important thing to us is, which of our little organisms gets the priviledge of growing into human consciousness again?

It's all pretty complex...:p

[Kury Wagner]

I'd like to think that my brain doesn't just shut off and my body doesn't just rot in the ground, and that's that.

My religion tells me that I'll shed my body to go think about my life. Take a look what I did right, what I did wrong. I'll grab a new shell and give it another try. That's what I believe, for the most part, but of course, I do have doubt. Doesn't everyone? That's just one of those human-y downsides. =\

[Kaoru]

it's weird, because their have been times where people have gone into cardiac arrest, and they literally are dead, but they survive the heart attack, and tell all the doctor's that they saw heaven. That they were there. It seems alittle far fetched, cause those people were probably all delusional from the drugs and from being weak, but either way, it seems like they were pretty persistent about what they supposedly "saw". Well it's described in the Bible. Besides there's a much higher number of people who claim they were completely unconscious during death. When you die you feel how you 'felt' before you were born. I do have doubt. Doesn't everyone? That's just one of those human-y downsides. =\ I think doubt is one of the best human features and it's sad many people lack it.

[purplehairedwonder]

I'd like to think that my brain doesn't just shut off and my body doesn't just rot in the ground, and that's that.
I'd like to think that as well, but my lack of religion tells me otherwise. :shrug:

As much as I would like to believe in the idea of an afterlife, I just can't do it. I need the proof.

[Sr.Infierno]

I'd like to think that as well, but my lack of religion tells me otherwise. :shrug:

As much as I would like to believe in the idea of an afterlife, I just can't do it. I need the proof.

http://www.near-death.com/evidence.html

[g_UnIt_GaNsTa]

Most of us do. Many atheists have deconverted from one religion or another.That was sarcasm.

[Czar Gato]

http://www.near-death.com/evidence.html

Near-Death.com is a fascinating website, but I don't know whether or not it's truly convincing one way or the other; I myself do believe in some form of afterlife, perhaps the possibility of reincarnation as well, but I personally didn't find it to be too conclusive, especially since it almost seems the webmaster is preaching a specific doctrine through it. Some of the personal testimonials are remarkable, however.

IMO, near-death experiences seem to be one of those things that you'd probably have to experience to understand completely, what with the current science and technology lacking in being able to replicate it (afaik).

[Sr.Infierno]

Some of the personal testimonials are remarkable, however.


Here's the one the really got me. My jaw just dropped after reading this:

"An anecdotal example of evidence that a person's consciousness leaves and returns to their body during an NDE comes from the research of Dr. Melvin Morse (http://www.near-death.com/experiences/experts06.html). Olga Gearhardt was a 63 year old woman who underwent a heart transplant because of a severe virus that attacked her heart tissue. Her entire family awaited at the hospital during the surgery, except for her son-in-law, who stayed home. The transplant was a success, but at exactly 2:15 am, her new heart stopped beating. It took the frantic transplant team three more hours to revive her. Her family was only told in the morning that her operation was a success, without other details. When they called her son-in-law with the good news, he had his own news to tell. He had already learned about the successful surgery. At exactly 2:15 am, while he was sleeping, he awoke to see his Olga, his mother-in-law, at the foot of his bed. She told him not to worry, that she was going to be alright. She asked him to tell her daughter (his wife). He wrote down the message, and the time of day and then fell asleep. Later on at the hospital, Olga regained consciousness. Her first words were "did you get the message?" She was able to confirm that she left her body during her near-death experience and was able to travel to her son-in-law to communicate to him the message. This anecdotal evidence demonstrates that the near-death experience is a return to consciousness at the point of death, when the brain is dying."

[SAMaine]

Before I even start the thread, keep in mind: NO OVER-ZEALOUS RELIGION TALK.

So, what do you think happens when we die? Do we either go to Heaven or Hell, do we get re-incarnated, do we just sit in a grave and rot away? What are your ideas, theories, or concerns on this issue?

I'd think there is an afterlife, as all signs point to their being initially one religion that ancient man had which split off into sects. Hell err... Heck, I can dig reincarnation. Besides being in the ground dead and rotting is NOT exactly the most appealing ending. That's why I'm opting for cremation and specifically asking in my will that the ashes be spread into the wind. That way, my remains return to the Earth easily!

I'd like to think that as well, but my lack of religion tells me otherwise.

As much as I would like to believe in the idea of an afterlife, I just can't do it. I need the proof.

Well, people who return from the dead and supposibly WOULD have the proof of the afterlife usually start a major religion or currently surport one... I mean if you met the Cosmic Author and he told you of his master plan and sent you back to the world of the living, YOU'D start a religion, too.

[Captain Zechs]

Actually, death is pretty scary, not because Ill be forgotten, I could careless about that, it's just that when we die we just dont know what will happen. And the thought of going to hell, if God were to exist is pretty damn scary, and then also just ceasing to exist forever (meaning we rot) sucks also. I dunno I kinda like the idea of Reincarnation, mainly cause there essentially is no end.

[Kaoru]

This anecdotal evidence demonstrates that the near-death experience is a return to consciousness at the point of death, when the brain is dying." The brain can not revive when it starts dying. The only time a clinically dead person can revive is when the heart and lungs are not functioning and before the brain dies.

[Justice League 2000]

I know the answer but i do not want to say it.:)

[Dr.Pepper]

Sometimes I think that people go to either Heaven or Hell, but other times I think you reincarnate

[Chrono1995]

It's all violet light and a hum. So it goes.

[Dr. OneWay]

It's all violet light and a hum. So it goes.

Woot. Sometimes I wish I thought that way completely. There's just too much I don't know. :\