Arrest made in JonBenet Ramsey case

[Leaping Larry Jojo]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060817/ap_on_re_as/thailand_jonbenet_ramsey

If this really is the guy, that still doesn't make her parents any less shady IMO. Very distasteful situation all around.

[Frank Castle]

The suspected murderer had connections with the child's parents. Yep, I'd say the child's parents were in on it.

[Leaping Larry Jojo]

The suspected murderer had connections with the child's parents. Yep, I'd say the child's parents were in on it.

Sarcasm? But my point is that it doesn't make her parents any less "innocent" for exploiting her as a "beauty" queen. I don't necessarily think they wanted to "kill" their daughter, but as parents IMO they were terrible.

[Frank Castle]

There was no sarcasm in there. I truly believe that the child's parents were in on it. The murderer had connections with them and the child was found in the parent's basement. If anything, the father should be put on trial for being creepy about the whole thing.

[tucsoncoyote]

Okay I've seen everything and read everything the media has reported on this, including Mr. Karr's so called Confession, and I have to say this:

Either the Boulder DA Office has something that they're not telling the media (and i highly doubt they will tell even the public this), about Mr. Karr, or in fact this is going to be much like the Lindbergh Baby Kidnapping of 1932.

For those of you who don't know about the Lindbergh case, I suggest you research it. After all in that particular case back in 1932, over 200 People confessed about this particular crime, yet in the end, they nailed one guy as the scapegoat.

I'm starting to see some similarities here and in fact there are inconsistencies here as well including the Accused stating in his confession that he picked her (Jonbenet) up at School (During Christmas Vacation?) That he drugged her (There were no Drugs found in the Autopsy) that he strangled her accidentally (then why the foot long fracture of the skull of the victim, who was bludgeoned to death?

and then there's this part... and a friend who's taking administration of justice pointed this out.. Mr. Ramsey got a salary bonus of $118,000. and the ransom note at the Scene of the crime (The Basement of the house in Boulder Colorado), said that the ransom was for $118,000. How would Karr know this? He Couldn't.

Also the DNA samples here are going to be the key.. after all if the DNA under Jonbenet's fingers were that of Mr. Karr, then it's a done deal, you can't alter DNA.. but I'm betting that Karr's DNA isn't even on the victim. I highly start to doubt Mr. Karr was anywhere in the Boulder area. (In fact his ex-wife has a potential valid alibi, and if there is a photo of Mr. Karr with his kids on Christmas Day 1996 in Alabama no less, well then someone has a "Dead ringer Body dobule" doing this deed.

So then why is Karr confessing to this crime? One Criminologist suggests that he wants attention.. (that's right attention). See a person like Mr. Karr who has committed acts like this before fled from bail for over 5 years from the US. why now is he confessing to a crime that he says he committed and yet there are all these inconsistencies? Something is not right here and unless the DA has some proof that DNA or something of Mr. Karr's was at the scene of the crime on that date, to put him there. there's no real case.

That's why I think there's something else going on here.. maybe there's a reason for this .. maybe what the DA in Boulder is doing is setting up a 'fall guy' to "Smoke out" the real perpitrator of the crime.

but the point is this.. how can the media be so callous and shock people into thinking this guy did this without gettiing all the facts and thoughts concise and to the point...

This is what I am thinking... Mr. Karr is innocent, but the media is judging jurying and even crucifying this guy. After all back during the Lindbergh baby kidnapping case there was no DNA evidence, there was no autopsy on the victim. In fact, the only incriminatiing evidence was a ladder against the side of the Lindbergh house with maybe a few badly smudged fingerprints of the real perp on the wood of the handmade ladder, and yet in that case over 200 people admitted to doing the crime. so then we could say that the guy who was convicted and executed might have been the perp. he might not have been. That's why the Lindbergh case is considered still a "Cold Case" some 70 years later, even though they executed a scapegoat for the crime.

So in the end, this has all the markings of a 21st century version of the Lindbergh Kidnapping and Murder case, only this time, if they botch it like they did the Lindbergh case, well then the Boulder DA's office better have a few dozen bounty paper towels rolls around to wipe the egg off their faces.

So if anyone wants to challenge this. feel free, after all something is afoot and I'm no Sherlock Holmes but to quote Baby Herman From Who Framed Roger Rabbit.. "This whole thing stinks like Yesterday's diapers..."

Nuff Said...

:coyote:

[The Guitar Slayer]

There was no sarcasm in there. I truly believe that the child's parents were in on it. The murderer had connections with them and the child was found in the parent's basement. If anything, the father should be put on trial for being creepy about the whole thing.
DNA evidence eliminated him and the rest of the male family members right off the bat. If anything, it was Patsy that was the scapegoat, and she was painted as an overbearing nutty pageant mom who went nuts on the kid. I never believed the parents were in on it. If they had been, there should have been a big life insurance policy on her. Otherwise, the family is losing money from their pageant queen. Why slaughter your prize pig for spare ribs if he can win first prize at the county fair? (Grotesque comparison, yes, but rather effective.)

I don't believe pageants are the best form of socialization of a child, but not all pageants are evil, nor are all pageant mothers. That's like saying all soccer moms are *****es in Volvos or all stay-at-home dads are sissies. You judge it as you see it case by case. From what I understand, Patsy was a beauty queen/pageant kid herself. It's like joining the cheerleading squad if your mom did.

As for the father being creepy about it, you'd be paranoid and fairly distressed too after what the cops put the family through, not to mention the police accusing your nine-year-old son of raping your dead daughter. I'd be ready to go live in a bunker after all that.

I doubt Karr did it. He's nuts and should be in prison for other offenses, but he didn't do this. However, he does provide a good lead on how the real killer may have been thinking. The murderer likely "loved her" and her death may have been "accidental." Karr is a pedophile, and the general psych profile of pedophiles is identical in many cases. He's thinking like a guy that was in love with a little girl and accidentally killed her. He still could be a valuable tool a la Hannibal (though I would hope police would take a lesson from the movies and keep the mask and leash on).

[tucsoncoyote]

DNA evidence eliminated him and the rest of the male family members right off the bat. If anything, it was Patsy that was the scapegoat, and she was painted as an overbearing nutty pageant mom who went nuts on the kid. I never believed the parents were in on it. If they had been, there should have been a big life insurance policy on her. Otherwise, the family is losing money from their pageant queen. Why slaughter your prize pig for spare ribs if he can win first prize at the county fair? (Grotesque comparison, yes, but rather effective.)

I don't believe pageants are the best form of socialization of a child, but not all pageants are evil, nor are all pageant mothers. That's like saying all soccer moms are *****es in Volvos or all stay-at-home dads are sissies. You judge it as you see it case by case. From what I understand, Patsy was a beauty queen/pageant kid herself. It's like joining the cheerleading squad if your mom did.

As for the father being creepy about it, you'd be paranoid and fairly distressed too after what the cops put the family through, not to mention the police accusing your nine-year-old son of raping your dead daughter. I'd be ready to go live in a bunker after all that.

I doubt Karr did it. He's nuts and should be in prison for other offenses, but he didn't do this. However, he does provide a good lead on how the real killer may have been thinking. The murderer likely "loved her" and her death may have been "accidental." Karr is a pedophile, and the general psych profile of pedophiles is identical in many cases. He's thinking like a guy that was in love with a little girl and accidentally killed her. He still could be a valuable tool a la Hannibal (though I would hope police would take a lesson from the movies and keep the mask and leash on).

I think you make a very good point here GS, and I think you're right. They need to really keep this guy alive and start disecting Karr's thoughts like he was the perpitrator here. After all it might give them the real clues as to who in the family (if it was in the family), did the dirty deed.

But again I have to emphasize that Karr could not be the perpitrator on just his confessional statements alone. After all He made Commentary that he picked Jonbenet up from School (during a School Holiday?) that he strangled her (when in reality she was bludgeoned to death?) and that he loved her (and didn't write the ransom note?) plus he says he was with her (when Potential DNA samples and an Alibi might place him somewhere else?)

I myself personally think that Karr might have the clues, but I too feel he's not the perpitrator here, but rather instead of being the perpitrator, Karr just Might know the person who did it..(After all there's one key factor here.. Usually pedophiles share their fantasies with one another.. and if Karr confessed that he did it, then the real question remains.. Where on earth did this idea come from? After all if Karr's not the killer, then perhaps he may have been in contact with the killer.. and found out the real story from them..

So in a way, it's best they keep Karr not only under "Lock and Key" but that they start interrogating the guy like he knows something, keeping in mind that he's not the perpritrator but rather that he might know the perpitrator...

that's my thought on this.

:coyote: