Krypto to go to the doghouse? Cancellation could be near.

[One Radical Dude]

For the past several months, it's been bad news for DC-based shows. For those who have enjoyed Krypto may learn that Superdog's future on Cartoon Network is in jeopardy and may not see a third season.

Click here for the article from Newsrama (http://www.newsarama.com/AniShorts/Ani277.html)

Note: For any mod, could you please have the topic link included on the DC? I'd appreciate it.

[Sketch]

Perhaps the real reason why DC shows are stopping on CN. Or at least the reason why they're KWB based now even if they do air on CN. Because those are WB and CN wants full property control so instead of Teen Titans which WB owns they have Ben 10 which they own. Makes sense right?

But I also believe the rumor that new WB management is the reason why Teen Titans and JLU ended this year. As for Krypto, I don't see a logical reason for them to shut it down yet. It does well enough with 2-5 and now it has toys it can sell. So why even consider axing it yet?

[Shadow Blaziken]

Krypto's a preschool-level show, and not a fantastic one at that. The ratings are probably bad because most young children are probably watching PBS or Nick Jr. at the time, which honestly most parents prefer over Tickle U. (More parents would rather let their kids watch something that they'll actually learn something from, such as Sesame Street or Blue's Clues.)

I feel that Krypto somes off as annoying and badly-written for a children's show.

[AnimatedSnow47]

I really hope that this show is not cancelled. It's enjoyable, good-natured, and well-animated. Save Krypto (and Streaky!)!

[William C. Maune]

It does well enough with 2-5 and now it has toys it can sell. So why even consider axing it yet?

Based on the article, it appears as if the fact that it has toys it can sell doesn't benefit Cartoon Network at all. Instead, not only does Warner Bros. get the toy revenue, but Cartoon Network has to pay Warner Bros. to be able to air the show (thus, more revenue for Warner Bros. and more costs for Cartoon Network).

What's interesting about this is that in the past there have been rumors pointing to deals between Cartoon Network and companies like Hasbro where CN gets a cut of the merchandise revenue, even though the show is from a company like Hasbro, and not a Cartoon Network original series. Warner Bros. on the other hand gets a pretty sweet deal for themselves if they can get their series run all the time on Cartoon Network (i.e. Teen Titans) and yet keep most of the advertising revenue.

The problem Warner Bros. may have in the future (considering their shows don't appear to really be cheap to produce) is if they run out of networks willing to air them. They have Kids WB, but its airtime is now significantly reduced due to now only being on Saturday mornings. They already have this problem with Looney Tunes. It seems as though no one will air it due to the amount of the fees WB wants to charge. Cartoon Network would probably be more interested in Warner Bros. shows if Warner Bros. dropped/lowered the licensing fee and/or they gave Cartoon Network a cut of the merchandising revenue. That is why Baby Looney Tunes aired so much, at least if I remember correctly, WB didn't charge a license fee and both CN and WB split the merchandising revenue.

[Mugen]

The problem Warner Bros. may have in the future (considering their shows don't appear to really be cheap to produce) is if they run out of networks willing to air them. They have Kids WB, but its airtime is now significantly reduced due to now only being on Saturday mornings. Cartoon Network would probably be more interested in Warner Bros. shows if Warner Bros. dropped/lowered the licensing fee and/or they gave Cartoon Network a cut of the merchandising revenue. That is why Baby Looney Tunes aired so much, at least if I remember correctly, WB didn't charge a license fee and both CN and WB split the merchandising revenue.

I'm also guessing that this is the same reason why Looney Tunes doesn't air on CN and Tom and Jerry runs all the time.

[J'onn J'onzz]

Krypto's a preschool-level show, and not a fantastic one at that. The ratings are probably bad because most young children are probably watching PBS or Nick Jr. at the time, which honestly most parents prefer over Tickle U. (More parents would rather let their kids watch something that they'll actually learn something from, such as Sesame Street or Blue's Clues.)

I feel that Krypto somes off as annoying and badly-written for a children's show, even though some of the characters are kinda cute.

I still like Krypto, even if it is for preschoolers. It's got the Space Canine Patrol Agents/Dog Stars. You can never go wrong with space dogs. And Ace the Bathound is good too.

[EscaflownePilot]

Even if you dislike Krypto, you HAVE to admit it's so much better for all ages than the mind-numbing "Dora the Explorer" type stuff that's usually aimed at pre-schoolers.


It's a show worth saving, but even if y'all don't agree, I'd encourage writing anyway. Last thing I want is to see no good, solid action cartoons like JLU or TT, and nothing but personality-void junk like Ben 10.

[Sketch]

Basically if you ever wanted proof that Warner does think much of Turner, it's right here in this article. Quite a shame. Seems like the WB will have to make their own family or kid oriented network to show their cartoons on if this keeps up. You can't really blame CN for not wanting to deal with this anymore. Infact it surprises me that they plan to show Legion but it's summer and The Batman still isn't back... You've gotta wonder why.

It's utter garbage that WB wants so much for anyone to air Looney Tunes. They need to make it more accessible.

[One Radical Dude]

So, basically, Waner Bros. is more responsible with the cancellation of JLU and TT than Cartoon Network because of the WB's demands.

[Sketch]

Sounds about right. Though I'm sure there's more to it than that. CN also played a part. Much like with several aquisitions when the ratings started to dry up they pulled out. It makes sense business wise but it's a shame for some of these shows. Even if they couldn't do much they still should have fought for some of those. But simply put Warner's way of doing business makes it hard for their shows to air beyond KWB and CN would rather use their own shows and cheaper aquisitions than deal with WB's demands. Even so Boomerang shows plenty of WB shows besides Looney Tunes. So perhaps the WB is a bit choosey on which shows they want to have more control over.

[CyberCubed]

So wait, BOTH WB and CN want to focus on their own properties now?

KidsWb dropped all their anime and is focusing on mostly home-grown WB cartoons, (and we have to suffer through a poor Batman, Loony Toons and Scooby doo iterations, none of which will/have lived up to their previous installments), and CN wants to do the same thing?

Could this possibly affect the anime airing on Miguzi or the Toonami block in the future?

[William C. Maune]

Could this possibly affect the anime airing on Miguzi or the Toonami block in the future?

It's doubtful. Compared to the cost of making say a Teen Titans or JLU, most anime series are dirt cheap.

[adoptedBatpuppy]

That's sad if it's going to happen! :sad: Do you know for sure or is it a rumor? Thanks

[One Radical Dude]

Unfortunately, this is for 'reals'.

[GuardianKid13]

Network would probably be more interested in Warner Bros. shows if Warner Bros. dropped/lowered the licensing fee and/or they gave Cartoon Network a cut of the merchandising revenue. That is why Baby Looney Tunes aired so much, at least if I remember correctly, WB didn't charge a license fee and both CN and WB split the merchandising revenue.Is this a reason why The Batman had stopped airing on CN because WB didn't lowered the licensing fee and didn't give CN a cut of the merchandising revenue?

[William C. Maune]

Is this a reason why The Batman had stopped airing on CN because WB didn't lowered the licensing fee and didn't give CN a cut of the merchandising revenue?

According to Cartoon Network's Upfront announcements back on March 1st, CN has already acquired 26 more episodes of The Batman, they are supposed to air sometime this summer.

[GuardianKid13]

According to Cartoon Network's Upfront announcements back on March 1st, CN has already acquired 26 more episodes of The Batman, they are supposed to air sometime this summer.Thanks!I was wondering what happened to it.

[Mugen]

It's utter garbage that WB wants so much for anyone to air Looney Tunes. They need to make it more accessible.

Well, Turner does have the rights to pre-48 cartoons. They don't have to pay for those. That's why TCM only airs episodes with those cartoons in them.

Yeah it sucks though. But, I guess it's a good thing that CN wants to create more original stuff from their own studios. CN's recent deal with Mattel shows that. If that's one thing CN wants to take from Nick, I don't mind that.

[Sketch]

So wait, BOTH WB and CN want to focus on their own properties now?

KidsWb dropped all their anime and is focusing on mostly home-grown WB cartoons, (and we have to suffer through a poor Batman, Loony Toons and Scooby doo iterations, none of which will/have lived up to their previous installments), and CN wants to do the same thing?

Could this possibly affect the anime airing on Miguzi or the Toonami block in the future?

Naruto is almost their #1 draw right now. So if nothing else it's job is secured (at least until filler season I guess). The others should be fine. As mentioned it's cheaper to buy anime and other aquisitions then fund an exclusive series or even a co-produced series. Besides remember what Higgen's said. As long as Toonami is on Cartoon Network there will always be anime and Toonami will be on FOREVER. KWB dropped anime because they don't have much space. CN basically just shows anime on Toonami and Miguzi with several hours of their own shows at other times every day. They've got plenty of space and Toonami is kinda secluded anyway. But it seems anything short of Naruto has to be doing well enough with 6-11 to run on Miguzi because CN isn't about to give up more prime time to anime. Sigh... I want weekday Bo-Bobo!!!

[sdp]

hasn't krypto gotten 52 half hour episodes (so 104 12 minute episodes) on its first season and 20 half hour episodes on s2 so far, so it has had a healthy run, since this is a kids show they probably thinkt hey have enough episodes for syndication.

[kryptofreak120]

hasn't krypto gotten 52 half hour episodes (so 104 12 minute episodes) on its first season and 20 half hour episodes on s2 so far, so it has had a healthy run, since this is a kids show they probably thinkt hey have enough episodes for syndication.

If you got that from TV.com, you probably don't know how the guide is formatted. It's 26 half-hour episodes, which means 52 11-minute episodes altogether. That makes only 10 episodes for season two. So technically, while it has had a healthy run, we were actually promised a season three for the show. But, since they're cancelling it before season two even ends (for anyone who thinks it's done, it hasn't finished yet), guess we're not getting it :(

If you feel like searching for it, I did a blog on TV.com (if you check the Krypto forums, you'll find me, and it's titled "Explaining Cartoon Network"). Basically, summing up what I said there, there are two factors to the cancellation of the show: licensing issues and ratings. They say that the ratings have been getting bad, so they're taking it off soon to put in a show that'll get better ratings, and so that they won't have to pay to license a "poor" show. That's actually a lot of bull. They apparently don't realize that the bad ratings are from a lack of judgment in the choice of where to put it on the timeslot. Come on...7 AM? No, children aren't watching other channels at that time. They're either in school, getting ready for school, or sleeping. And it still doesn't work for adults either :shrug:

If anyone knows anything about licensing, you'd know that, since this show is property of DC, Cartoon Network pays a licensing fee to put Krypto on air, and thus they also pay a part of the profits that come from selling the toys. Cartoon Network is trying to get the network into CN-exclusives. In this case, if Krypto is cancelled, it'll either cease to exist, find another channel, or go to Boomerang. In a sense, Cartoon Network is using bad ratings as an excuse to cancel the show and stop paying to license it, when its ultimate hypocracy is that CN put Krypto in this position.

I'm not sure about the rest of you, but I love the show enough to save it and see it through until it really ends, not when the network decides it doesn't want it anymore. Basically, the time it should end is around the third season or so. Regardless of opinion, the show is improving, and would get better ratings if CN wasn't being stupid about this. Some may not like it, but if KtS ends, DC has lost ALL of its footing on Cartoon Network, and Teen Titans will be the next to leave CN. After that, we can expect no more DC shows on Cartoon Network. In other words, if this show fails, the entire package goes down.

I, for one, am sending my letter soon. I hope it works :sad:

[William C. Maune]

That's actually a lot of bull. They apparently don't realize that the bad ratings are from a lack of judgment in the choice of where to put it on the timeslot. Come on...7 AM? No, children aren't watching other channels at that time. They're either in school, getting ready for school, or sleeping. And it still doesn't work for adults either :shrug:

Because it is summer, kids aren't in school. Even if it wasn't summer, very few schools start at 7am. While some kids are sleeping, cable networks and syndication have been successfully airing cartoons for kids in the morning hours for as long as I can remember. Also, kids often watch cartoons while getting ready for school. If it was past 9 am and not during the summer, then kids in certain age groups wouldn't be around, but 7am is actually a pretty good time to reach kids (just not us older folks who like to sleep later).

Finally, even if it was a bad timeslot, the network's take that into consideration. A show in a worse timeslot isn't expected to get ratings as good as a show in a better timeslot. Instead, a show's ratings are compared to other shows that have aired in the same or similar timeslots. Thus, if Krypto is getting poor ratings at 7am, then the ratings are poor compared to other shows that have aired at or around 7am.

[kryptofreak120]

While that is a good point, keep in mind that they're mad about ratings over the past few months, which was because of the time. Krypto's timeslot kept changing, and the amount of times it came on was also changing (all five days goes to twice a week). Yes, it's summer, but when a good percentage of the KtS audience are teens and adults, and with a lot of those working or still sleeping, Krypto slowly goes into the abyss. Little kids will get to watch it, whereas I have to record it because I have satellite and most of my channels are received three hours early (which means I'd get Krypto at 4 AM). So yes, I believe I was wrong on some points. However, CN has made poor decisions with the show, such as changing the time constantly (seriously, after a week of airing at 6 AM, it switched to 7), putting it at only twice a week (I'd kill them for that decision if I could), and blaming their ratings in the past months on the show not being popular anymore. On top of that, there was no announcement for season two (other than information on TV Guide sites), no real effort to promote the show, and other key factors that have been set into place with new management and such.

Their ratings will stay stable through the summer (if KtS stays on), but will quickly plummet when school starts again. The fanbase is made up of all ages (a lot of kids, but also a lot of adults and teens, like myself), which means that they have to find a time that works (and this one doesn't...). If I'm wrong about any of this, I guess I'm wrong. But still, I have a lot of other people that'd agree with me. The time sucks for a large portion of the fans, and it's a pain to keep track of when it comes on. So that's my side of the issue.

[William C. Maune]

The target audience for Krypto is kids ages 2-11. There are definitely some teens and adults who watch the show, but the number is very small compared to the target audience. The other problem is that advertisers are trying to reach kids during Krypto and thus they don't pay anything for the teen and adult ratings.

[Sketch]

Teen's and adults regularly watch Krypto? You mean not just on a whim or while they watch the kids? Well it's not bad for a 2-5 show I'll say but teen and adult material it is not.

[Shadow Blaziken]

Teens and adults? Watching Krypto? The only reason I would watch it is to make Mystery Science Theater 3000-esque comments. You would think someone over the age of eight would watch something a little less mind-numbingly simple. Something with better characters and less cut-and-dry plotlines. I would prefer to watch something like "Ghost in the Shell." I honestly cannot make it past the theme song of Krypto, since it annoys me so much.

[Darking]

This does indeed suck. I don't even think they've finished showing the second half of season two yet. I'm going to be writing CN in an effort to save the show. At the very least, I'm hoping they'll release the entire series on DVD.

[The Wolverine]

Teen's and adults regularly watch Krypto? You mean not just on a whim or while they watch the kids? Well it's not bad for a 2-5 show I'll say but teen and adult material it is not.
I respectfully disagree.

I watch it whenever I can, and I'm almost 20.

[Rocketboy]

Teens and adults? Watching Krypto? The only reason I would watch it is to make Mystery Science Theater 3000-esque comments. You would think someone over the age of eight would watch something a little less mind-numbingly simple. Something with better characters and less cut-and-dry plotlines. I would prefer to watch something like "Ghost in the Shell." I honestly cannot make it past the theme song of Krypto, since it annoys me so much.

I watch Krypto, thank you very much.

And as a watcher, this does suck, and I hope CN reconsiders this.

[Shadow Blaziken]

Well that's just swell.

[kryptofreak120]

A lot of the audience that watches the show is made up of kids. A fair sum of the audience is adults and teenagers. Cartoon Network might as well keep track of ratings on both parts, whether in the target audience age or not. But seriously...whatever.

Also, a recent Newsarama article had a small segment tacked onto it (it was a Witchblade article). At the bottom, you'll find that CN has made their statement that they are indeed cancelling DC-based shows.

http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?t=74982

So, if this is correct, the show could be over by the end of the month. Perfect :shrug: Well, I was hoping it wouldn't come to this...guess all I can do now is continue writing my fan fic ;)

[William C. Maune]

That doesn't say they are cancelling all DC shows, it says:

"We will continue to develop original projects through Cartoon Network Studios and other producers,” said a network spokesperson. “In addition, we will seek acquired programming from our long-term partners Warner Bros. Animation and other producers and distributors."

[Brainatra]

Hmph... "Krypto" was one of the few shows I still enjoy on CN. Shame to see it fall victim to money-games, especially knowing its only options would be another Time-Warner owned outlet that'll air cartoons thanks to vertical integration/excessive concentration of media these days (i.e. "Time-Warner won't or can't air Time-Warner shows on anything *but* another Time-Warner owned outlet since we must only air stuff we own/have exclusive access to lock, stock and barrel"). Which limits things to Boomerang or Kids WB as alternatives...

Either way, between this and hearing of Pokemon coming to Boomerang (*gag*), guess there's a reason I'm watching more of Nickelodeon/Disney Channel than CN these days...

-B.

[Taylor Karras]

Nickelodeon I can agree with but Disney Channel?, That channel is the worst thing to ever exist in history, Call your cable operator now and tell them that you don't want Disney Channel.

[discoduck777]

I have a feeling that Krypto will be headed off to Boomerang in the near future. Does anyone get that feeling, too? Besides, it looks like most of the DC shows are all headed over there.

[CyberCubed]

I have a feeling that Krypto will be headed off to Boomerang in the near future. Does anyone get that feeling, too? Besides, it looks like most of the DC shows are all headed over there.

It honestly wouldn't surprise me if it did.

[adoptedBatpuppy]

I respectfully disagree.

I watch it whenever I can, and I'm almost 20.

Well, I watch the show sometimes, when I don't go to school! :o
I have not seen Season 2, and I agree that the theme song is annoying.
Does anyone know did they changed the theme song for the 2'nd season?
As well when are the re-runs of Season 2? :confused: Thanks

[Manga Scraps]

It did alot better than I thought. To be honest I expected this. Not too many young childern watch Cartoon Network compared to Nick.

[Brainatra]

Nickelodeon I can agree with but Disney Channel?, That channel is the worst thing to ever exist in history, Call your cable operator now and tell them that you don't want Disney Channel.

Eh... rather watch "Kim Possible" or "The Emperor's New School" (despite being *another* flippin' "someone going to school" cartoon, thought this one was actually amusing) than stuff like "Camp Lazlo", the anime stuff, or "My Gym Partner's a Monkey" (which seem to, along with "Fosters", be the only things I ever see running on CN these days...).

-B.