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Zapages
06-08-2006, 05:36 PM
This news is very exciting for everyone and might change what we thought about life forever. I can't believe that we might be discovering alien life in our life time... Very interesting...

As bizarre as it may seem, the sample jars brimming with cloudy, reddish rainwater in Godfrey Louis's laboratory in southern India may hold, well, aliens.

In April, Louis, a solid-state physicist at Mahatma Gandhi University, published a paper in the prestigious peer-reviewed journal Astrophysics and Space Science in which he hypothesizes that the samples -- water taken from the mysterious blood-colored showers that fell sporadically across Louis's home state of Kerala in the summer of 2001 -- contain microbes from outer space.

Specifically, Louis has isolated strange, thick-walled, red-tinted cell-like structures about 10 microns in size. Stranger still, dozens of his experiments suggest that the particles may lack DNA yet still reproduce plentifully, even in water superheated to nearly 600 degrees Fahrenheit . (The known upper limit for life in water is about 250 degrees Fahrenheit .)

So how to explain them? Louis speculates that the particles could be extraterrestrial bacteria adapted to the harsh conditions of space and that the microbes hitched a ride on a comet or meteorite that later broke apart in the upper atmosphere and mixed with rain clouds above India.

If his theory proves correct, the cells would be the first confirmed evidence of alien life and, as such, could yield tantalizing new clues to the origins of life on Earth.

Last winter, Louis sent some of his samples to astronomer Chandra Wickramasinghe and his colleagues at Cardiff University in Wales, who are now attempting to replicate his experiments; Wickramasinghe expects to publish his initial findings later this year.

Meanwhile, more down-to-earth theories abound. One Indian government investigation conducted in 2001 lays blame for what some have called the "blood rains" on algae.

Other theories have implicated fungal spores, red dust swept up from the Arabian peninsula, even a fine mist of blood cells produced by a meteor striking a high-flying flock of bats.

Louis and his colleagues dismiss all these theories, pointing to the fact that both algae and fungus possess DNA and that blood cells have thin walls and die quickly when exposed to water and air.

More important, they argue, blood cells don't replicate. "We've already got some stunning pictures -- transmission electron micrographs -- of these cells sliced in the middle," Wickramasinghe says. "We see them budding, with little daughter cells inside the big cells."

Louis's theory holds special appeal for Wickramasinghe. A quarter of a century ago, he co-authored the modern theory of panspermia, which posits that bacteria-riddled space rocks seeded life on Earth.

"If it's true that life was introduced by comets four billion years ago," the astronomer says, "one would expect that microorganisms are still injected into our environment from time to time. This could be one of those events."

The next significant step, explains University of Sheffield microbiologist Milton Wainwright, who is part of another British team now studying Louis's samples, is to confirm whether the cells truly lack DNA. So far, one preliminary DNA test has come back positive.

"Life as we know it must contain DNA, or it's not life," he says. "But even if this organism proves to be an anomaly, the absence of DNA wouldn't necessarily mean it's extraterrestrial."

Louis and Wickramasinghe are planning further experiments to test the cells for specific carbon isotopes. If the results fall outside the norms for life on Earth, it would be powerful new evidence for Louis's idea, of which even Louis himself remains skeptical.

Source: http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/science/06/02/red.rain/index.html
and
http://www.popsci.com/popsci/science/2c21c0f98d07b010vgnvcm1000004eecbccdrcrd.html

Martianinvader
06-08-2006, 07:02 PM
You're telling me that sludge couldn't have just been tainted by touching.....ANYTHING on Earth that has bacteria on it? The only way it couldn't would be if it fell right from the sky into a sterilized airsealed container. Which it didn't.

Natey
06-08-2006, 07:14 PM
I doubt it. It is probably from our earth, just something new we humans have not discovered yet.

solarflere
06-08-2006, 08:01 PM
I doubt it. It is probably from our earth, just something new we humans have not discovered yet.If its organic, (and it is since it replicates) it must have DNA to be from earth, but if it does not have DNA, well.........its anyones guess. And now I will say the most famous X-Filles Quote: I Want To Beliave". :p

Kaoru
06-08-2006, 08:27 PM
If it's alien cells, we may not have to wait for it to evolve, but replicate them with stem cell research.

solarflere
06-08-2006, 08:39 PM
If it's alien cells, we may not have to wait for it to evolve, but replicate them with stem cell research.Like the article states, they have no DNA. How will you replicate something without a DNA sequence?

Zinal
06-08-2006, 08:59 PM
I believe in aliens but I think this story a hoax. They need to find out more info about it.

Aquadementia
06-08-2006, 09:21 PM
I bet there's a number of common organic materials that will spontaneously form spheres.
I'm pretty sure there are lipids that would, and they're DNA free.

The bat blood explanation though, now that's inspired.

Kaoru
06-08-2006, 09:27 PM
Like the article states, they have no DNA. How will you replicate something without a DNA sequence?
It says that one test came out positive, and I did say "we ,may...".

It says they are divding, and for that they need DNA. We'll see what happens.

solarflere
06-08-2006, 10:17 PM
It says they are divding, and for that they need DNA. The article states that they don't have DNA present, and they are multyplying (mitosis) but without DNA, thats the interasting part. Yea, normally cells have to have DNA, even if they were not multyplying. but what you said, directly contradicts the article and their findings. I am not saying I beliave it but, stanger things have been proven be true. Like the Earth is not in the center of the universe. Many people tried to discredit and disprove Galileo, it turned out that it was true.

Dark Fact
06-08-2006, 10:39 PM
So...this is Carnage in reality? What a gip! :mad:

Gatomon41
06-08-2006, 11:23 PM
Sounds interesting, but it's probably something from Earth.

If it's alien cells, we may not have to wait for it to evolve, but replicate them with stem cell research.

Alien DNA might not work if the genetic code is different than anything on Earth.

MonkeyFunk
06-09-2006, 10:00 AM
Yeah, I heard about this a while back, and I must say, even if the stuff is alien it's a bit of a downer.

I mean, first contact with an alien lifeform, and it's bloody rain.

Fifi Fanatic
06-09-2006, 11:51 AM
Yeah, I heard about this a while back, and I must say, even if the stuff is alien it's a bit of a downer.

I mean, first contact with an alien lifeform, and it's bloody rain.

Too true. I wanted to see some good old Roswell aliens land on live TV or something. :anime:

Whether alien or not, it's still intriguing.....

g_UnIt_GaNsTa
06-09-2006, 12:19 PM
Breaking news: Everyone catches space flu and dies.

MarineDweller
06-09-2006, 12:52 PM
This news is very exciting for everyone and might change what we thought about life forever. I can't believe that we might be discovering alien life in our life time... Very interesting...




Source: http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/science/06/02/red.rain/index.html
and
http://www.popsci.com/popsci/science/2c21c0f98d07b010vgnvcm1000004eecbccdrcrd.html
That is so cool..if this info is true..then we might find the aliens' home planet too. This could change the course of Science forever.........

Karl Olson
06-09-2006, 03:18 PM
Breaking news: Everyone catches space flu and dies.

No, everyone catches space flu and becomes zombies. Much more hilarious I think. ;)