So, if I use my report card to identify myself...

[nachonaco]

....for my orientation, will they look at my grades, or just the name/address?

Also, is it true an employer regularly asks for report cards?

[solarflere]

....for my orientation, will they look at my grades, or just the name/address?

Also, is it true an employer regularly asks for report cards?Don't you have some other proof of address? A Cellphone bill? Some mail adressed to you from the government or state? I have never heard any employee asking about your grades. Its none of their business.

[Zubby]

....for my orientation, will they look at my grades, or just the name/address?

Also, is it true an employer regularly asks for report cards?

Orientation to what??
Employers may ask for academic transcripts, depending on what type of position you are applying for. It's usually to document that you are qualified for the position for which you are applying. Theyr'e not looking at them and laughing because you got a D in your Shakespeare class.

[nachonaco]

I work at McDonalds....

Never gotten anythng from the gov't, I'm 17 years old...

[Juu-kuchi]

Doesn't a driver's license also suffice.

The only time I use my report card to identify myself is to get a free rental when I bring it in to the local video store.

[RD!]

Does Chuck-E-Cheese still do that thing where you show them your grades and you get free tokens?

[nachonaco]

I need to get mine renewed....I should be able to get that tomorrow.

[Kagetsu]

Don't you have some other proof of address? A Cellphone bill? Some mail adressed to you from the government or state? I have never heard any employee asking about your grades. Its none of their business. Technically they can ask for just about any background info they want that doesn't include religion, race, and age for the over forty crowd. and can throw out an application because they don't like the color ink. All they really care about is your social security number, proof of citizenship or right to work, and a phone number they can reach you. I wouldn't think they'd care where you lived as long as you show up. If they don't ask for something, I wouldn't volunteer anything except good references. By law an ex-employer can't give you a bad reference, they just simply state past wages and dates hired. And they only need a copy of your licence if you operate a vehicle for them, but some places like to make a copy especially if your handling money.

Besides if your in orientation, you have the job, they've already taken you as a risk and can fire you now only for what the state laws allow. In maryland, it can be for no reason at all. Keeps them from being sued.

[nachonaco]

Another question.

How do I get a work permit if I'm out of school?

[Tash]

Another question.

How do I get a work permit if I'm out of school?
If you're not in school, why would you need a work permit?

[Dark Fact]

If employers wanted to see student grades in college and high school before hiring said student (even if they do have a diploma and degree), there wouldn't be that many employees. For all we know, employers would only want to hire straight A students. If you had so much as a B or lower, they wouldn't even hire you! A or bust!

Besides if your in orientation, you have the job, they've already taken you as a risk and can fire you now only for what the state laws allow. In maryland, it can be for no reason at all. Keeps them from being sued.
How can an employer just fire you for absolutely no reason? As an employee, you should have a right to a reason for your termination.

[Captain Zechs]

If you're not in school, why would you need a work permit?

You can't get a job without a work permit, and call your school's guidance, they should be there, just aska nd they shall tell u to come in.

Edit: Kagetsu, thats not true, as I have a job and have asked this, dont go off giving false facts.

[nachonaco]

My mom won't take me down to the school to check. :rolleyes:

Oh well. I'm using my yearbook for picture ID, and if I can't start work on Thursday then it's her fault.

[mikestorm]

Actually, Kagetsu is not giving false facts. State laws aside, unless we are specifically bound by a contract, we are all "at will" employees. This means either side can terminate employment for any reason whatsoever.

The exception to this is if the termination violates state or federal law. What that means is you can't terminate someone for age, race, religion, etc. Beyond the basic 'no brainer' discriminatory reasons, some other states have more stringent rules on when you can and can't terminate someone. Some, on the other hand (Maryland, according to Kugatsu) do not.

So, long story short, if it doesn't violate state/federal law and if you're not under contract (explicit or implied), the "at will employment" rule does apply.

Nachonaco: Human nature will entice them to look at your grades. Selecting potential employees based on academic achievement is perfectly legal, and besides that a very good idea (i.e. the most qualified person should get the job). Colleges do it all the time. However, if you already got the job, it gets a bit trickier. Also, if they didn't explicitly state that grades would factor into to the job selection process, it gets trickier still. If this is for a job at McDonalds, I think the worst case scenario is your new manager now knows about your D in History.

Employers don't ask for report cards. They don't have to, because if your grades slip the school system revokes your work permit and you must leave your job anyway, so that's essentially the same thing.

Someone once told me that getting good grades in school would pay dividends in the future and alleviate many adverse issues in life. As crazy as that sounds, it looks like they were correct :)

[Zubby]

It may vary from place to place, but I didn't think that school work permits were required for summer jobs, only jobs during the school year. My school didn't have any permit system at all, but I grew up in a rural area, and a lot of kids worked on family farms, which was undocumented labor. Made the whole work permit issue irrelevant.


Also, another reason why employers might need to see report cards:
Some jobs offer bonuses to student employees if they earn a certain grade. UPS, for example, gives college tuition reimbursements to their employees, as long as they earn above a C in the classes they are taking.

[The Guitar Slayer]

I've been working since I was thirteen. I've only needed my papers for when I was under the age of 16. It varies state to state, but the general rull of thumb is if you're over 16, don't worry about it.

How can an employer just fire you for absolutely no reason? As an employee, you should have a right to a reason for your termination.
That's more or less what all the hoopla was about in France recently. And no, we don't necessarily have that right here in the US either. If you sign a contract that says, "You recognize that we are a private, non-government entity and that your employment may be terminated at any time without notice or compensation," that's it. You're gone.

[nachonaco]

I brought in my birth certificate and report card and they let me in. :D

I start Thursday.

[Dark Fact]

Nachonaco: Human nature will entice them to look at your grades. Selecting potential employees based on academic achievement is perfectly legal, and besides that a very good idea (i.e. the most qualified person should get the job). Colleges do it all the time. However, if you already got the job, it gets a bit trickier. Also, if they didn't explicitly state that grades would factor into to the job selection process, it gets trickier still. If this is for a job at McDonalds, I think the worst case scenario is your new manager now knows about your D in History.
I don't consider that fair at all to the graduate applying for the job. Suppose this graduate spent many years in university or college retaking courses that he/she failed only to finally get a passing grade of C? In addition, as long as they have the degree and can do the job well, why should it matter what letter grade they have on their report card?

Some students can't get A's due to their study habits or certain bias based on their professor. Some professors are more strict than others and have a tendency to make their exams more difficult than normal. In the end, the student could wind up getting a B or possibly a C because the exam was too hard for them to complete or they didn't do their work according to the professor's specifications. Why should the employers snub potential students just because their letter grades are not up to their standards? If they can do the job correctly and have a degree, that's all that matters.

Actually, Kagetsu is not giving false facts. State laws aside, unless we are specifically bound by a contract, we are all "at will" employees. This means either side can terminate employment for any reason whatsoever.


That's more or less what all the hoopla was about in France recently. And no, we don't necessarily have that right here in the US either. If you sign a contract that says, "You recognize that we are a private, non-government entity and that your employment may be terminated at any time without notice or compensation," that's it. You're gone.
So let's say Joe Schmo has been working as a professional computer programmer for the company for the past 10 years. One day, his employer calls him into his office and tells him he's fired and orders him to clean out his desk by the end of the day, no questions asked. If Joe has been working for the company for that long, he damn well deserves a reason for it considering he's been helping keep the company afloat with his brilliant programming.

For an employer to fire you for no reason at all is cowardly. If you're going to fire me, have the balls to tell me what I did wrong. At least I can leave the company with the respect that you've told me my wrongdoing.

[mikestorm]

Some students can't get A's due to their study habits or certain bias based on their professor. Some professors are more strict than others and have a tendency to make their exams more difficult than normal. In the end, the student could wind up getting a B or possibly a C because the exam was too hard for them to complete or they didn't do their work according to the professor's specifications. Why should the employers snub potential students just because their letter grades are not up to their standards? If they can do the job correctly and have a degree, that's all that matters.
I'm not saying your wrong, but tell that to colleges that still base a considerable amount of admissions weight on SAT scores. Standardized testing may not be perfect, but its a reality.

You condemn employers for snubbing students for below average grades. Let's look at the other end of the spectrum. Does this mean you also condemn employers who give special consideration to potential applicants who graduate Summa Cum Laude or Magna Cum Laude?

If two applicants from the same school have the same experience, and interviewed equally well, yet one was the valedictorian and one was average, which would you hire?


So let's say Joe Schmo has been working as a professional computer programmer for the company for the past 10 years. One day, his employer calls him into his office and tells him he's fired and orders him to clean out his desk by the end of the day, no questions asked. If Joe has been working for the company for that long, he damn well deserves a reason for it considering he's been helping keep the company afloat with his brilliant programming.

For an employer to fire you for no reason at all is cowardly. If you're going to fire me, have the balls to tell me what I did wrong. At least I can leave the company with the respect that you've told me my wrongdoing.
You're taking her too literally. What TGS meant was there doesn't have to be a clear cut performance or conduct reason to fire someone. Let's say I got a satisfactory or an above average on my last review. Yet two months later, you still fire me. Do I have recourse to bring suit against you citing a lack of documented negative performance issues or a lack derrogatory conduct to justify my termination? No, I don't. That's it. I'm gone. The "at will employment" law means Employers do not need to justify their human resource decisions to a tribunal. Just like if you decide to find another job, you don't need to justify your actions to your employer. You just give written notice and adequate lead time as a courtesy.

As for clear cut reasons, the most common ones are elimination of redundancy, cutbacks, downsizing, general layoffs, reorganization. Employers have a plethora of "canned" reasons to choose from to mask the true political reason for some employee terminations.

[Dark Fact]

If two applicants from the same school have the same experience, and interviewed equally well, yet one was the valedictorian and one was average, which would you hire?
Doesn't matter. They both will have to take the same preliminary testing to prove that they are fit to work in my company. If you can prove you know your stuff, then you'll get the job.

You're taking her too literally. What TGS meant was there doesn't have to be a clear cut performance or conduct reason to fire someone. Let's say I got a satisfactory or an above average on my last review. Yet two months later, you still fire me. Do I have recourse to bring suit against you citing a lack of documented negative performance issues or a lack derrogatory conduct to justify my termination? No, I don't. That's it. I'm gone. The "at will employment" law means Employers do not need to justify their human resource decisions to a tribunal. Just like if you decide to find another job, you don't need to justify your actions to your employer. You just give written notice and adequate lead time as a courtesy.

As for clear cut reasons, the most common ones are elimination of redundancy, cutbacks, downsizing, general layoffs, reorganization. Employers have a plethora of "canned" reasons to choose from to mask the true political reason for some employee terminations.
Are we talking about being fired or being layed off here? If we're talking about being layed off, then that's understandable.

[The Guitar Slayer]

So let's say Joe Schmo has been working as a professional computer programmer for the company for the past 10 years. One day, his employer calls him into his office and tells him he's fired and orders him to clean out his desk by the end of the day, no questions asked. If Joe has been working for the company for that long, he damn well deserves a reason for it considering he's been helping keep the company afloat with his brilliant programming.

For an employer to fire you for no reason at all is cowardly. If you're going to fire me, have the balls to tell me what I did wrong. At least I can leave the company with the respect that you've told me my wrongdoing.
If you signed a contracted that stipulated what I said above ("non-government, private, etc etc etc."), you're out of luck. Companies make sure that their contracts are legal and binding, and it's your own fault if you don't read them or do something in violation of the their policy. In general, telling you why you were fired is a courtesy, and courtesy does not have a place in capitalism.

It goes along the same lines as this message board -- which is private since it is owned; money is put into it by certain parties, and thusly these parties call the shots for everything that happens here on TZ. When you sign up to the forums, you are required to checkmark a little box that says that you have read and will comply with the rules. If you break your end of the contract, TZ has the right to ban you. However, unlike many places, the user is notified of their violations via PM or email; it's a courtesy, not a requirement.
Doesn't matter. They both will have to take the same preliminary testing to prove that they are fit to work in my company. If you can prove you know your stuff, then you'll get the job.
Being a former valedictorian, it usually does happen that they are given consideration and the job opportunity first. Why? Because it shows that you've already worked your ass off to keep your 3.98 out of 4.00 GPA in high school while manager of the softball team while director of the school play while having a supporting role in the school play while being a good citizen with your 60+ volunteer hours while representing your school at contests and student government and internships and while holding down a part-time job.

Multitasking, responsibility, success with it all -- colleges are the first places that look at you. They would take me over an average Joe any day of the week. Why? Because I look better on paper to potential investors (i.e., new students and their parents plus the grant writers, academic reviews, etc). In the same way, jobs will look at how you did in college. Did you graduate? Did you graduate cum laude, magna cum laude, or summa cum laude? Those fancy letters mean something. It comes down to money and who will give it for what.

Joe may get the work done in the same manner Vallie the Valedictorian, but you have to remember people are usually willing to pay more for a pretty package.

[Dark Fact]

In general, telling you why you were fired is a courtesy, and courtesy does not have a place in capitalism.

Well maybe it should. I don't bust my ass for this company only to have them fire me off for no reason because they're scared of their own money.

Being a former valedictorian, it usually does happen that they are given consideration and the job opportunity first. Why? Because it shows that you've already worked your ass off to keep your 3.98 out of 4.00 GPA in high school while manager of the softball team while director of the school play while having a supporting role in the school play while being a good citizen with your 60+ volunteer hours while representing your school at contests and student government and internships and while holding down a part-time job.

Multitasking, responsibility, success with it all -- colleges are the first places that look at you. They would take me over an average Joe any day of the week. Why? Because I look better on paper to potential investors (i.e., new students and their parents plus the grant writers, academic reviews, etc). In the same way, jobs will look at how you did in college. Did you graduate? Did you graduate cum laude, magna cum laude, or summa cum laude? Those fancy letters mean something. It comes down to money and who will give it for what.

Joe may get the work done in the same manner Vallie the Valedictorian, but you have to remember people are usually willing to pay more for a pretty package.
But there are some people who can't get those prestigious rewards like Vallie the Valedictorian can. They spend years in university or college paying money out of their own part time or summer jobs just so they can get the marks they need for that fabled degree. They need to study but also make time for their own part-time jobs so that one day, they can work at a better company and better wages in their own newly educated profession. Hell, they may had accumulated thousands in student loans just to get the courses they need. If the companies just want to throw them away in favor of the Valedictorian, then what have all their hard work, money, and commitment been for?

[The Guitar Slayer]

Well maybe it should. I don't bust my ass for this company only to have them fire me off for no reason because they're scared of their own money.

Yes, join me in creating my happy little communist state!! MWAHAHAHAHAHAA.

ahem.

But yeah. People are greedy and it sucks.


But there are some people who can't get those prestigious rewards like Vallie the Valedictorian can. They spend years in university or college paying money out of their own part time or summer jobs just so they can get the marks they need for that fabled degree. They need to study but also make time for their own part-time jobs so that one day, they can work at a better company and better wages in their own newly educated profession. Hell, they may had accumulated thousands in student loans just to get the courses they need. If the companies just want to throw them away in favor of the Valedictorian, then what have all their hard work, money, and commitment been for?

Vallie has gone through the same thing as any other student. She may not be the richest kid in class. She may not be able to play the violin with her feet. She's just managed to make the most success out of it.

The Vallie status only really goes as far as applying to college. Most jobs look at your degree and what degree of "laude" you got. High school was 4 years ago, at least. Past is past. Things happen. Additionally, there are only a few thousand college valedictorians a year versus the tens of thousands of college graduates. It's a different proprotion compared to a high school. Ergo, you aren't totally screwed if you weren't college valedictorian (that is a teenie tiny chance!).

You may have gotten into a better college because you were High School Vallie, and the school may give your job application weight (Harvard is better than William Paterson University, peeps), but it's not going to completely make or break you. However, what you did with your college education does matter to your empoloyers. They look for those who made the most of it and who did the most outside of just hammering out a piece of paper and fulfilling course requirements. Did you go abroad and learn in different systems? Did you get a minor? Are you a stand out or just run off the mill? Pretty Package strikes again.

There is also "Vanilla is safe." Some jobs do seek out Joe Schmo to be a grunt, but Vallie may be "overqualified" or "too free thinking" to fall into line. She may have to search longer for a job, but she will get better pay than Joe. Double-edged sword, as I'm finding out. I can't get a job anywhere this summer other than being an independently contracted medical transcriptionist because I'm "overqualified" to be working in a mall. The mall is more fun, less stressful, and gives me discounts, but I make a bunch more money working part time at the office and being ker-bored. Then again, I'll have money to go gallivanting when I head off to the UK again for my study abroad year.

[Dark Fact]

Yes, join me in creating my happy little communist state!! MWAHAHAHAHAHAA.
I don't reject capitalism, I just want people to be honest with me, that's all.

Vallie has gone through the same thing as any other student. She may not be the richest kid in class. She may not be able to play the violin with her feet. She's just managed to make the most success out of it.

The Vallie status only really goes as far as applying to college. Most jobs look at your degree and what degree of "laude" you got. High school was 4 years ago, at least. Past is past. Things happen. Additionally, there are only a few thousand college valedictorians a year versus the tens of thousands of college graduates. It's a different proprotion compared to a high school. Ergo, you aren't totally screwed if you weren't college valedictorian (that is a teenie tiny chance!).

You may have gotten into a better college because you were High School Vallie, and the school may give your job application weight (Harvard is better than William Paterson University, peeps), but it's not going to completely make or break you. However, what you did with your college education does matter to your empoloyers. They look for those who made the most of it and who did the most outside of just hammering out a piece of paper and fulfilling course requirements. Did you go abroad and learn in different systems? Did you get a minor? Are you a stand out or just run off the mill? Pretty Package strikes again.

There is also "Vanilla is safe." Some jobs do seek out Joe Schmo to be a grunt, but Vallie may be "overqualified" or "too free thinking" to fall into line. She may have to search longer for a job, but she will get better pay than Joe. Double-edged sword, as I'm finding out. I can't get a job anywhere this summer other than being an independently contracted medical transcriptionist because I'm "overqualified" to be working in a mall. The mall is more fun, less stressful, and gives me discounts, but I make a bunch more money working part time at the office and being ker-bored. Then again, I'll have money to go gallivanting when I head off to the UK again for my study abroad year.
So what you're getting at is that employers vary when it comes to hiring university graduates. Although I don't like the idea that the flashier student will get picked, I'll just find an employer who can hire me for my useful talents and degree and not over flashy grades and such.