Pee-Wee on Adult Swim Starting July 10 [Archive]

Discloner

06-05-2006, 12:49 AM

Wow...completely torn as I LOVE Pee-wee's playhouse...but I must remain strong in my stance that it simply doesn't belong on Adult Swim. Isn't this another one TBS could be airing early in the morning?

Pee-Wee's HBO shorts were indeed adult, but honestly even the nostalgic factor doesn't merit the children's show airing. Its not adult in anyway. Who is even distributing the rights to the show? I mean the last time I even knew it was on was when ABC family was FoxFamily and they were airing it at like 5pm weekdays.

=/

Man this is tough... My curiousity compells me to watch this on AS (as I don't even remember what PeeWee was like) but the animation fan in me says "that'd just make YOU part of the problem". Placement aside, I'd be interested in seeing how you enjoy the series based on the fact that it's not a part of your childhood really. I mean if I didn't have the "I remember this from when I was a kid!" thing going when it was on FoxFamily, I'd probably think the show was as crazy as...say...the Wiggles. Or, uh...that creepy one on Nick with the girl with Pink hair.

One Radical Dude

06-05-2006, 01:35 AM

Why does this not surprise me?

Sketch

06-05-2006, 01:36 AM

I remember the movie and seeing a few episodes but I didn't watch it a lot when I was a kid.

Martianinvader

06-05-2006, 01:38 AM

I watched Pee Wee, but because he was the only thing on between Muppet Babies and Garfield. He could get rather scary at times. Boomers have their Vietnam nightmares, but my gen has the episode where Pee Wee made us go inside his nose.

brianycpht

06-05-2006, 01:38 AM

hey it's weeknights, I can't think of anything better to air that hasn't been run to death already, and this was my favourite show growing up, so I'm all for it..

SirLemming

06-05-2006, 01:45 AM

Of course, if this show hadn't been recently released on DVD, I would be 100% for this.

The Landstander

06-05-2006, 01:45 AM

The arguments against Saved by the Bell apply fairly easily here...

...but I actually really like Pee-Wee. Choosing to not care and enjoy.

But Saved By The Bell had no animation... At least Pee-Wee's Playhouse has quite a bit.Hey, that too.

Chad Bonin

06-05-2006, 01:47 AM

Wonder if Morpheus will be in any of these episodes...

I'm sorry... "Cowboy Curtis".

SirLemming

06-05-2006, 01:54 AM

But Saved By The Bell had no animation... At least Pee-Wee's Playhouse has quite a bit. Lots of little stop-motion bits, including the first half of the intro, and almost every episode has at least two complete animated shorts (old-school stuff presented by the King of Cartoons and then a Penny or El Hombre short). Consider the ant farm, the dinosaur hole, the refrigerator, the magic screen, the toy box... And the puppets, if you really wanna stretch it. I could think of worse fits for the block.

It's definitely that certain type of kid's show that appeals to adults. With a certain sensibility. There are just enough creepy and ambiguous things in there.

Wonder if Morpheus will be in any of these episodes...

I'm sorry... "Cowboy Curtis".

Highly likely. Certainly more likely than Phil Hartman, who appears more rarely. Curtis is on a lot.

Spike Mcdougal

06-05-2006, 02:22 AM

Wonder if Morpheus will be in any of these episodes...

I'm sorry... "Cowboy Curtis".
Had to get a Matrix reference in didnt you?

I never said anything about Saved by the Bell but I'll definitely say something about this and that is.....

......That I dont have a problem with this either

Nin-Nin69

06-05-2006, 02:49 AM

Pee Wee is also on DVD. Very cheap mind you. So there is no real reason to watch if you can scarf up $15 for a season set. Either way I won't watch it on AS.

Moto Pete

06-05-2006, 06:59 AM

THE KING OF CARTOONS

http://www.chud.com/newgraphics/williamMarshall.jpg

CaptainRed

06-05-2006, 07:13 AM

The arguments against Saved by the Bell apply fairly easily here...
...but I actually really like Pee-Wee. Choosing to not care and enjoy.

Ultimately, because I can't be totally sure that the above isn't also my one and only most basic piece of reasoning, I have to say I agree with that.

And if that isn't my only piece of reasoning:

Chuck Norris and Mr. T are not adult. I pity myself for the roundhouse kick I deserve with that statement. And that statement. And this one.

Anyway... those shows weren't adult targeted, but through time they now hit adults better than children.

The same could probably be said for something like the Super Mario Bros. Super Show. It aged with its original demographic, and became something slightly different. Now, I haven't seen that show or this since they originally aired, but I am sure that my experinece watching will be quite different.

(Besides, as others have said, at the very least the show features cartoons. Saved by the Bell aside, that seems to be our baseline now)

*honken*

Xerroo

06-05-2006, 07:46 AM

I'll take this over CN Karate Commandos anyday.

dth1971

06-05-2006, 08:54 AM

What's next? Adult Swim airing "Hey Vern, It's Ernest" and/or "The Completely Mental Misadventures of Ed Grimley" or "Camp Candy" or "Little Rosey" or "Bobby's World"?

Neo Ultra Mike

06-05-2006, 09:32 AM

No because those are majorly cartoon (:D ..... oh wait that's more of a :( ).

Although I guess Pee Wee isn't the worst fit, the fact that Adult Swim is airing something like it after Saved By The Bell kind of puts this past the "joking" point. Jeez, with this and Saul Of the Mole People, it seems AS if following CN's footprints but with shows instead of just movies, and that's the most scary part really.

Botman

06-05-2006, 09:33 AM

What's next?..."The Completely Mental Misadventures of Ed Grimley"...

Cartoon Network actually did air that at one time. They even used the "Count Floyd" segments for Cartoon Planet.

spidl

06-05-2006, 09:56 AM

I never liked Pee Wee's Playhouse when I was a kid so I doubt I will like them as an adult.

Youko Recca

06-05-2006, 09:57 AM

*Reads title out loud*

*Laughs*

Anyway, it's becoming to a point where I'm beggining to just not care. And it probally won't last long, so whatever. I didn't grow up watching this, but have seen it a couple times. Not sure if I liked it or not. If they can do this, why can't Freakazoid be shown?

EscaflownePilot

06-05-2006, 10:15 AM

SirLemming

06-05-2006, 10:24 AM

I think most of us just don't feel like getting infuriated with righteous anger over something that's probably not going to last long or interfere with AS's main programming. Some of us are acting as if the government is about to put cameras in our showers or something. Take it easy, and certainly don't start guilt-tripping us. Sheesh.

The Fullmetal

06-05-2006, 10:33 AM

What's next? Adult Swim airing "Hey Vern, It's Ernest" and/or "The Completely Mental Misadventures of Ed Grimley" or "Camp Candy" or "Little Rosey" or "Bobby's World"?
I thought "Camp Candy" and "Bobby's World" WERE cartoons.

Matthew Williams

06-05-2006, 10:41 AM

It's official, folks: http://news.toonzone.net/article.php?ID=10954

Since this is, well, controversial, just an in-thread poke to keep things civil.

Tobias

06-05-2006, 11:08 AM

Pee Wee started off as a character meant for adult audiences (See the original HBO special), so this *kind of* makes sense. It'd be great if AS could actually get the original special and air that along with the episodes.

The Landstander

06-05-2006, 11:17 AM

Conan-san

06-05-2006, 11:21 AM

To be honest, I'm game for this.

Mostly 'cuz Pee-Wee is a damned sight better than SBTB (Which only aired due to Mike "Kill an anime" Lazlo's conection to the damned thing) and is *gasp* funny.

jbanks97

06-05-2006, 11:46 AM

Arguments of whether it belongs on AS while not being a cartoon aside, I'd just like to mention that Pee-Wee is legitimately better than some nostalgia factor enjoyment. Reubens was legitimately good at what he did; both in the more adult versions of Pee-Wee and in the kid's show. I'm sure AS is going for nostalgia value too (they seem to thrive on it at this point), but I'd argue the show was legitimately good.

Certainly better than Saved by the Bell, anyway.

Most people seem to forget this in light of the masterbation scandal. It was one of the best written, most well respected Child shows of all time.

Edited to Fix:

22 Daytime Emmys!
The source of Phil Hartman and Lawrence Fishburne's careers
Concieved by Andy Kaufman

I'm pumped

judyindisguise

06-05-2006, 12:10 PM

Placement aside, I'd be interested in seeing how you enjoy the series based on the fact that it's not a part of your childhood really. I mean if I didn't have the "I remember this from when I was a kid!" thing going when it was on FoxFamily, I'd probably think the show was as crazy as...say...the Wiggles. Or, uh...that creepy one on Nick with the girl with Pink hair.

That show is called "Lazytown" and it's got to be the most horrible kiddie show ever. As if the pink-haired girl isn't bad enough, there are these puppets that are human-looking. Not human-looking in the abstract, like Bert and Ernie, but realistically human (aside from a touch of caricature). Watching them is like watching a cheap retro version of a Disney audio-animatronic. They're all...rubbery...and everything. Ew!

SirLemming

06-05-2006, 12:42 PM

I thought "Camp Candy" and "Bobby's World" WERE cartoons.
But they're certainly not adult-oriented cartoons. Well, I've only seen Bobby's World, but I assume that was the idea behind the post.

Zubby

06-05-2006, 12:48 PM

OK, I have been very critical of Cartoon Network airing live action films,and the recent Saved by the Bell stunt on Adult Swim was a huge misstep.

Having said that, I can honestly think of no other live action show that fits better on AS than Pee-Wee's Playhouse. Although live action, it is more cartoon-like than many cartoons out there. It also has a huge cult following, and is filled with enough silly, self-referential content to satisfy the postmodern aesthetic AS feeds on.

It's easy to group the programming on AS into three broad camps:
1. imported anime
2. shows done on the ultra-cheap (most of the 15 min. shows)
3. the occasional larger budget (and higher quality) original show, like Boondocks or Venture Bros.

Picking up shows like Pee-Wee's Playhouse allows them to branch out in their programming more w/o sacrificing the AS aesthetic. As they are considered a seperate chalnnel from Cartoon Network now, I don't mind as much that they are showing non-animated shows, especially when it's a great fit.

I'd take Pee-Wee's Playhouse over Tom Goes to the Mayor anyday.

Beat

06-05-2006, 12:56 PM

Is this our punishment for Korgoth?

Silly McGooses

06-05-2006, 01:57 PM

I love this show, no argument here!

Emperor Fred

06-05-2006, 02:25 PM

I guess the whole Saved By the Bell stunt was done so that we'd get all our shock and frustration and anger out before they got Peewee, which sounds like it'll be around a bit longer.

Hearing about this aquisition at this point, I can only manage a faint "meh."

They'd just better bring Korgoth to series, not ever get rid of anime, and the new season of Venture Bros. had better kick ass. Then they can run all the occasional retro kids shows they want. I just don't care anymore.

livingfruitvirus

06-05-2006, 02:27 PM

To everyone crying "live action," there was animation in Pee Wee's Playhouse.

Discloner

06-05-2006, 02:38 PM

To everyone crying "live action," there was animation in Pee Wee's Playhouse.Honestly, people seem to be accepting this a whole lot better then I initially imagined they would. I'd also forgotten about the animation in the show (some kinda fan eh?), so...its all the more acceptable now. Though I'm still kinda 'eh' about the direction AS is taking period...more so when PRs start saying things like:
Adult Swim, Cartoon Network’s late night sister network featuring animation and other programming aimed at adults 18-34, will air the groundbreaking series Monday-Thursday at 11 p.m.

Zorak Masaki

06-05-2006, 02:59 PM

Werent there some very subtle double entedres <sp> on Pee Wee's Playhouse? The kind that kids wouldnt get but adults would. That said, i'd rather they air rocko's modern life (would it cost joe murray too much to buy the rights from nickelodeon) since that show didnt even TRY to hide their "Adult" jokes.

Fan of Sponge

06-05-2006, 03:25 PM

I figured the promo out the second time I saw it on Sunday night. I thought to myself, "Whoa are they really going to do it?" Sure I can tolerate Pee-Wee's Playhouse, but anything more live action, I'll scream my head off. Maybe we'll see the return of the [crappy 1980's live action tv show network] and maybe not. Speaking of which, who owns the show now? FOX had it for awhile on Fox Family in the late-90's.

Mugen

06-05-2006, 03:29 PM

Though I'm still kinda 'eh' about the direction AS is taking period...more so when PRs start saying things like:

Well, there is no "cartoon" or "animation" in it's AS's name, so I think they can get away with it.

SirLemming

06-05-2006, 03:44 PM

Hey, at least it's not airing on G4.

Chrono1995

06-05-2006, 03:46 PM

Cartoon Network, I give up. You have me here.

TheMecca

06-05-2006, 03:48 PM

According to the schedule, they're airing the entire series.

ALL RIGHT!

Moto Pete

06-05-2006, 03:54 PM

What's next? Adult Swim airing "Camp Candy" or "Bobby's World"?

I would go F'in Crazy i love these two shows

http://http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4246221
Even NPR had Pee Wee on
45 EPSIODES HELL YEAH 10:30-12 Futurama/Pee Wee/Family Guy

Zubby

06-05-2006, 07:27 PM

Werent there some very subtle double entedres <sp> on Pee Wee's Playhouse? The kind that kids wouldnt get but adults would.

They weren't that subtle. They were pretty blatant, pretty common, and very funny. Everything about that show just rocked. I'm glad to see it showing up on AS.

SirLemming

06-05-2006, 07:45 PM

The double entendres weren't THAT common. You can probably watch at least 3 or 4 randomly selected episodes without finding any.

One thing that should provide some humor, though unintentional, is the letters from foreign countries. At the time they were seen as a nice educational component to the show, but now they're really politically incorrect. Like the letter from China: "Hello, Pee-Wee! I know kung fu!" Or the letter from Japan: "We sit around and eat raw fish all day."

Anarky

06-05-2006, 07:51 PM

:eek: AWESOME!!!

The Fullmetal

06-05-2006, 10:53 PM

According to the schedule, they're airing the entire series.

ALL RIGHT!

SCREAM REAL LOUD FOR PEE-WEE ON AS!

Fresh V

06-05-2006, 10:54 PM

Damn, why are you all so happy about this?

The Fullmetal

06-05-2006, 11:03 PM

Because Pee-Wee was an awesome show, unlike that Saved by the Bell crap. I remember how bad I wanted that bike he has and how much I wanted my own talking chair.

livingfruitvirus

06-05-2006, 11:07 PM

Damn, why are you all so happy about this?

It's called reliving childhood. This and complaining are what the internet was founded on.

Fresh V

06-05-2006, 11:10 PM

Even if it's awesome and you're reliving your childhood, it sure as hell doesn't belong on Adult Swim.

Zyzzybalubah

06-05-2006, 11:18 PM

Unlike Saved by the Bell, which was played to death, and can still be found on most channels today, Pee-Wee's Play House has not been on TV for around a decade (when it was on Fox Family.) In a way, I'm mad they're going away from their "all-animation" mission and going for weird live-action shows, but at the same time, I think it's kind of funny. Like I said in the "Anything Else/Cards" Thread, as long as they go for little at a time and don't occupy other timeslots (don't cut out the anime damn it!!), then I think it's fine. Heck, if they're really desperate for time, they could remove a show or two from the repeat hours.

While Cartoon Network is trying to become CN: Children's Network, it looks like Adult Swim is aiming to be "the anything random" network. Of course they were random at first with animation, but I think they want to go beyond with weird shows airing such as PeeWee, SBTB, and their original series "Saul of the Mole People" (which I'm excited for.)

After hearing announcements like "ECW going to Sci-Fi Channel," VH1 becoming a channel more like E! (although I'm still okay with VH1), and seeing how pathetic MTV is now (completely void of music content and even MTV2 is raped of it) I guess we can't be too surprised.

All we need now is HGTV to get Football games because the lawn on the fields have nicely trimmed grass while the Food Network will acquire bloody action movies to quench the hunger and thirst of those food network fans demanding more stronger spice and variety. :D

Aquadementia

06-06-2006, 12:47 AM

I thought the animated segments were a rather small part of the show.
The King of Cartoon and Penny bits were the only parts I thought were okay.

But the show creeps me out.
People have always been trying to get me to watch it, but it always made me uncomfortable.

It would only take the slightest tilt (for the better) to take Pee Wee's Playhouse into the horror genera. Pee Wee just holding a knife for any reason or Susan Sarandon passing through in her underwear would be enough.

Pee Wee himself is so ghoulishly pale and uptight, and so painfully trapped in childhood he makes Norman Bates seem well adjusted for at least making it to adolescence before becoming psychotically suppressed.

And the artificial world of the playhouse reminds me of that episode of the Twilight Zone where astronauts land on a funeral planet where people are frozen in creepy dioramas of there happiest place. Except everything is ready to jump out at you in the playhouse.
Hey, at least it's not airing on G4.But G4 has no integrity. It would only be a plus for that channel.

Arguments of whether it belongs on AS while not being a cartoon aside, I'd just like to mention that Pee-Wee is legitimately better than some nostalgia factor enjoyment.
But the question is should C&C's for this kind of thing be done in the cartoon section of Toon Zone?

William C. Maune

06-06-2006, 12:58 AM

But the question is should C&C's for this kind of thing be done in the cartoon section of Toon Zone?

I must admit it has been years since I've seen the show and thus I can't say I remember a lot. However, it appears that livingfruitvirus thinks that animation was a significant aspect of the show and thus I don't think Talkbacks would be a problem. Ultimately, it is definitley up the the Adult Swim mods though.

Discloner

06-06-2006, 01:09 AM

I must admit it has been years since I've seen the show and thus I can't say I remember a lot. However, it appears that livingfruitvirus thinks that animation was a significant aspect of the show and thus I don't think Talkbacks would be a problem. Ultimately, it is definitley up the the Adult Swim mods though.There were animated shorts, and aspects of the show that were animated (his ant farm for instance), but animation isn't a 'significant' aspect of the show. In fact, there's a heckuva lot more puppetry than anything.

In fact, really the only animated segments I recall (Aside from said ant farm segments) were the Penny bits and King of Cartoon shorts. The rest, as I recall, was just plain ol' zainy fun.

William C. Maune

06-06-2006, 01:18 AM

There were animated shorts, and aspects of the show that were animated (his ant farm for instance), but animation isn't a 'significant' aspect of the show. In fact, there's a heckuva lot more puppetry than anything.

In fact, really the only animated segments I recall (Aside from said ant farm segments) were the Penny bits and King of Cartoon shorts. The rest, as I recall, was just plain ol' zainy fun.

That all depends on how you define "significant" (which is itself a fairly ambiguous word). The question I would ask is whether the show would have been substantially the same (or, depending on how one looks at it, substantially changed) without the animated shorts, the animated aspects of the show itself (like the ant farm), the Penny bits, King of Cartoon shorts, and whatever else there may have been.

The Landstander

06-06-2006, 01:19 AM

We'll have a C&C here. It is still Adult Swim (and Saved by the Bell got a talkback).

Oh, and the animated segments were just a part of the show. They weren't exactly central, as in you could take them out and the rest of the show would be the same, but...really, beyond Pee-Wee himself, that applies to most of the show.

Discloner

06-06-2006, 01:33 AM

That all depends on how you define "significant" (which is itself a fairly ambiguous word). The question I would ask is whether the show would have been substantially the same (or, depending on how one looks at it, substantially changed) without the animated shorts, the animated aspects of the show itself (like the ant farm), the Penny bits, King of Cartoon shorts, and whatever else there may have been.Joe beat me to it, but he's more or less right. I honestly can't think of a correct way to word it other then the cartoon bits were mostly just small sketches that were scattered throughout the show. Even then, I don't believe they're present in each episode, unlike say...the secret word. You could cut out the animated parts and nothing really would suffer from it. They really aren't important to anything that's happening...but for the most part none of the rest of show is all that much either.

Though for some crazy reason I do recall an episode where the animated ants got out and did crazy stuff with the playhouse gang.

SirLemming

06-06-2006, 01:54 AM

I've made at least two posts describing all the animated segments, but no one seems to notice them. So here, once again in a bit more detail, is a list off the top of my head of what segments of the show are animated:

1. Penny cartoons (one stop-motion short per episode)
2. King of Cartoons (one old-school animated short per episode)
3. El Hombre (I think it replaced Penny eventually)

Those are the big 3, of which 2 are in every episode, I think. Then...

4. inside the refrigerator (stop-motion)
5. ant farm (brief 2D segments)
6. the dinosaur family (stop-motion)
7. Magic Screen (live-action combined with limited 2D animation)
8. toy shelf (stop-motion)
9. And last but not least, the stop-motion intro.

I'd say there are about 3-6 of these in every episode. Each one is no longer than a minute.

Aside from the animated bits, reading up on it at Wikipedia sheds some light on its adult appeal. It has the kind of guest stars that really appeal to adults, for morbid curiousity if nothing else. Laurence Fishburne, Phil Hartman, Larry "Bud" Melman (who appeared bizarrely as one of the "Playhouse Gang" kids and was never spoken of again), and other not-really-kids'-show type guests give it sort of a Late Show atmosphere, in a way. It's also somewhat interesting how they reacted to the Playhouse's antics with the type of disdain an adult would have towards a kids' show. Apparently it also had a lot of "hip" musical contributors, like Dweezil Zappa, George Clinton, and (not surprisingly) Danny Elfman.

Apparently the show is also rumored to have been originally conceived by Andy Kaufman, who turned the project over to Paul Reubens.

There's definitely a sinister edge to some aspects of the show. Certain aspects that really don't teach kids anything particularly beneficial and would probably not be allowed today due to their ambiguity. For example, Pee-Wee never learns to love the Annoying Salesman. He just always shuts the door on him. In one episode he finally lets him in, but it's really only to stop him from ever coming again.
There's also the decidedly cruel treatment of the obese Mrs. Steve, especially in the episode where she gets a makeover that doesn't really improve her looks at all.

I'm typing way too much about this. In the end you'll probably just watch the show and say "Oh, it's a kids' show." Which it basically is.

However, I'm really starting to draw parallels to Cartoon Planet. That might be a good show to compare this to.

Aquadementia

06-06-2006, 03:15 AM

I've made at least two posts describing all the animated segments, but no one seems to notice them. So here, once again in a bit more detail, is a list off the top of my head of what segments of the show are animated:
Well, thanks for the list.
I've seen the show.
The "it's got some animation" argument seems a bet weak, but then they've already broke Adult Swim from that requirement already.

And I was always fond of Larry "Bud" Melman, but I wonder how obscure a character he is for the general AS audience.

We'll have a C&C here. It is still Adult Swim (and Saved by the Bell got a talkback).

Oh, and the animated segments were just a part of the show. They weren't exactly central, as in you could take them out and the rest of the show would be the same, but...really, beyond Pee-Wee himself, that applies to most of the show.
Alright then.
SBTB was something of a stunt.
Pee-wee is maybe more legitimate, but I still find it questionable for Adult Swim, and it makes me wonder where they are heading as their programming becomes more and more muddled.
So I have to question if Toon Zone should follow every move they make.

CaptainRed

06-06-2006, 03:38 AM

What the hell is wrong with you people?!

I don't care if the show is ambiguous or contains bits of animation here and there - it doesn't belong on Adult Swim, [AS] is clearly doing it to extend their "joke", and you all know it, yet you're okay with it? What the hell?

It was kinda' funny when it was SbtB for two weeks as a joke, but, like Neo Ultra Mike said, to continue on with this is a terrible thing.

And here I gave most people credit on these boards for being above the average, "Oh, look! [AS] is showing something from my childhood, and it's not a cartoon! Let's watch!" mindset so many people have. 'Guess not. Pfft.

Two things:

1) Most of us are taking the "not overreacting to the actions of a television network" tack.

2) The Saved by the Bell move violated the one commandment of television: Thou shalt not suck.

It's called reliving childhood. This and complaining are what the internet was founded on.

Hear hear!

This reminds me of the time I agreed with you before. Why haven't you said anything else I agree with before now! Somewhere between one and two thirds of your name is a lie!

*honken*

SSJPabs

06-06-2006, 11:07 AM

Remember how I said maybe it was me that was growing away from Adult Swim?

Well it's not.

Part of me wants to sit back and laugh helplessly, and part of me wants to go down to Williams Street and beat them senseless with a lead pipe (in the conservatory). The only good thing is that it's in the 10pm (central) slot. And if you're arguing that this belongs on AS... well that's quite a stretch, it might good/it might be funny but to it's hard to believe it's animation.

And that's all the complaining I'm going to do.

Uh, also wasn't the Internet founded on porn?

SirLemming

06-06-2006, 11:34 AM

Oh, believe me, I still don't think it's a show that truly belongs on Adult Swim. I just think it's not totally out of the question. It's a little more than just a kids' show.

Han Ji-Eun

06-06-2006, 12:30 PM

Oh... I SO called it.

I just had a thought. Maybe showing SBTB is a biting commentary on the harsh reality of a Cartoon Network that shows live action! Like saying, "See CN, you can screw up badly; well we will screw up worse and your ratings Goliath will sink and then you'll see the truth about what an animation channel should be like!!"

Or at least that's the purpose of this in my mind.

And if CN doesn't understand the message, [as] will air Pee-Wee's Playhouse!!
Creepy.....

Too bad my theory was basically incorrect, and it seems AS is just airing Pee-Wee (and SBTB) for the heck of it. But again, I find myself pleased with their bizarre decision. I freakin love Pee-Wee's Playhouse, and Phil Hartman is my favorite comedian in all of the history of the world, so I welcome this change.

herbkir

06-06-2006, 12:46 PM

Since it looks like oddball live-action shows will be part of Adult Swim from now on, I think the AS forum rule should simply be -- If it's running on Adult Swim, it's a legitimate topic for discussion in this forum. Regardless of whether it's animated or not. "The Times They Are a' Changin'" and TZ must change with the times. ("Change" is today's secret word, so every time you hear it, yell real loud.) (^_*)

Moto Pete

06-06-2006, 01:11 PM

Mugen

06-06-2006, 01:16 PM

Uh, also wasn't the Internet founded on porn?
Oh God yes.

Artimus Gigan

06-06-2006, 01:38 PM

Pewee had numerious puppets and animatronics aside from aninated shorts

granted it's not fully animated but it's certainly closer than SBTB, but more or less I think they're trying to warm people up for Saul of The Mole People with this

I mean this show was also actually funny, before he went off the deep end and started going from funny into incredibly creepy.

Rabi~en~Rose

06-06-2006, 01:54 PM

William C. Maune

06-06-2006, 02:42 PM

So I have to question if Toon Zone should follow every move they make.

You should give the Adult Swim Forum Moderators more credit. They aren't just following every move Adult Swim makes. They make decisions independent from the network of what to and what not to cover.

Moto Pete

06-06-2006, 05:00 PM

tb4000

06-06-2006, 05:11 PM

Pee-Wee is a big man-child, but the thing is while he exuded this creepy happiness, he wasn't always happy. He got pissed, angry, jealous, and all that there at times in the show, so he wasn't a Stepford person.

The Fullmetal

06-06-2006, 06:13 PM

puppets? I remember Toonami had a puppet show for about one episode
Actually, Wulin Warriors lasted for 2 whole episodes. :p

wasn't this spoofed on F-Guy once as Peters Playhouse? I never saw this show but is it anything like what Peter portrayed it as (loud and obnoxious)?

Yes, Peter's Playhouse was a perfect example. :D

Master Moron

06-06-2006, 07:00 PM

puppets? I remember Toonami had a puppet show for about one episode

wasn't this spoofed on F-Guy once as Peters Playhouse? I never saw this show but is it anything like what Peter portrayed it as (loud and obnoxious)? :confused:

I still say some of you guys are crazy for accepting this just because its better the SBtB which I also did not watch :sweat: hopefully when I'm older nostalgia for stuff today wont affect my better judgement :p

I agree with you. I think people are really basing their feelings for this show on nostalgia. I mean, I watched it as a kid too, but I watched a lot of crap when I was a kid. And so what if it's a quality kids show? Sesame Street won Emmys too, that doesn't mean Adult Swim should air it.

The Landstander

06-06-2006, 07:26 PM

Once again, I think it's a bit beyond nostalgia. My sister got the DVDs for Christmas and I watched it then and still really enjoyed it.

Compared to say, Salute Your Shorts, which I loved as a kid but saw a few episodes of awhile ago. Now THAT'S pure nostalgia on a crappy show.
Pee-wee is maybe more legitimate, but I still find it questionable for Adult Swim, and it makes me wonder where they are heading as their programming becomes more and more muddled.
So I have to question if Toon Zone should follow every move they make.I suppose in the long-run of AS that's a legitimate question, but as for now it's on Adult Swim, it's something new and worth a discussion (I mean look at this thread), and really it would be silly to discuss it in say The Entertainment Forum.

For now anyway, I don't see any major reason not to.

Nin-Nin69

06-06-2006, 07:47 PM

In the long run if you want to throw out the window it being live action, this show, not the HBO one, is ment for kids. It would be no different than people who cry over Invader Zim being on AS. Well it's not mainly because of Nick, but it's still a kids show.

Trogdor

06-06-2006, 08:00 PM

Pee Wee does pwn, but I too have an issue with AS showing a kids' show. It goes against the very name of the group itself! Though, and this isn't enough to make it "adult" but, they did have a few candy-coated adult jokes thrown in (no doubt inspired by how Pee Wee used to be an adult stand-up character). I never saw this one myself, but my half-brother describes sometimes how there was this one episode that featured some really fit-and-fine Brazilian soccer player fellow who was around when some lady (forgot the name, if he gave one) was teaching the craft of making a little booklet out of construction paper and yarn, and when she handed one to the guy she said, "Here <name>, you can use this to keep track of how many times you score...in soccer!" with an obvious pause where the "..." was placed <.<

Ultra8

06-06-2006, 08:37 PM

Wow. Never saw that one coming.
Haven't seen that show since I was a kid and CBS still had a Sat. morning line-up.

Elven Moon

06-06-2006, 08:41 PM

I used to watch Pee Wee ALL THE TIME when I was a kid. I recently watched the episodes again when they came out on DVD, and couldn't believe how campy/amusing/adult it could be. Still, it was entertaining.

This seems really random and odd to me. It's technically a kids show, and it's live action! Yes, it does have puppets and animation, but...

mg_winxclub

06-06-2006, 09:25 PM

Youko Recca

06-06-2006, 09:28 PM

Pee-Wee on Adult Swim = BS! Adult Swim is officially in the toilet. I'd rather watch Ghost in the Shell with the fart noises they did on April Fool's day than this Pee-Wee CRAP! Saved By the Bell wasn't enough of an insult that they have to put Pee-Wee on Adult Swim??????????

Do you like your erotica with or without a plot?

RD!

06-06-2006, 10:36 PM

Do you like your erotica with or without a plot?I don't know about you but I don't want to be emotionally attatched two that twelve year old when the donkey carrying a keg breaks free from the ...donkey pen.

Anarky

06-06-2006, 11:02 PM

courtesy of the seattle post-intelligencer
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/tv/1401AP_People_Pee_wee_Herman.html

SirLemming

06-06-2006, 11:05 PM

courtesy of the seattle post-intelligencer
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/tv/1401AP_People_Pee_wee_Herman.html
That is one friggin' scary photo.

Interesting to see his reaction to it, though. That makes me a little more favored to the idea. Who knows? It could even lead to the continuation that has long been rumored and/or on the back burner.

06-07-2006, 01:41 AM

If Cartoon Network is going to hell in a handbakset, I'm glad we're going down with Pee Wee!

I guess no one heard that Paul Reubens is trying to get another Pee Wee movie in the works. They just released the DVDs last year and want to re-release them in special editions. Not sure about more DVDs or another movie, but I suspect that even this unintentional promotion via Cartoon Network could help make those things happen.

SirLemming

06-07-2006, 02:34 AM

What the heck happened to that special edition DVD set anyway? My family held out for so long and we recently caved in and bought the regular set. It's an annoying situation, because they probably use the sales of the regular edition to measure whether or not they should do the special edition, but people who expect the special edition might be reluctant...

Jay

06-07-2006, 03:50 AM

Artimus Gigan

06-07-2006, 03:59 AM

Ya know being that this is not going to interfere with any premieres in Comedy or Action, I think we should just let it be

this is a short jaunt, and it's going to be at an hour where not alot of people watch regularly anyways

it would be something to stiff about if it were to take place of a comedy or action premiere, but as it it stands, it's not. The new shows and episodes for Comedy and Action coming down the pipes and the standby shows like Bebop and Ye Olden WS originals like Sealab, ATHF, etc. well make up the majority and are around much much longer than this will ever be.

One Radical Dude

06-07-2006, 04:40 AM

Calm down man it probably isnt probably for a couple weeks anyway besides most of the people in this thread are looking forward to watching it again.

I read that they're going to air the entire series. This isn't gonna be a two-week deal like SBTB (though it could be pulled off the air, if it does extremely poor). Like SBTB, I'm not going to be watching this, as it would be supporting LA on a network for animation. Bits of animation on some episodes does not cut it for me.

The Fullmetal

06-07-2006, 08:48 AM

Oh god, what if AS gets rid of that announcer guy they have now and replaces him with Paul Reubens in order to promote the show?

"Hey kids, it's Pee-Wee, here to tell you about Adult Swim's profit margin! Now scream real loud!!!" :D:D:D

Tobias

06-07-2006, 10:07 AM

I just wonder if they're going to do those scary ass bumpers for Pee-Wee like they did for SBTB. I can just picture them doing a tinted, slowed down bumper of Pee-Wee doing something immature.

EscaflownePilot

06-07-2006, 10:27 AM

I just hope you all realize how hypocritical you all are.

Whine and complain your heads off when SBTB is on for two stupid weeks, clearly as a joke, and yet then accept a full 45-episode run of Pee-Wee's with wide-open arms, making excuses all the way, like "well, it has some animation", or "it started out as an adult show".

Fine. But you supporters damn well better never start crying once the [as] line-up starts getting filled by Pee-Wees or Saul of the Mole Peoples. In fact, as far as I'm concerned, you've officially waved any and all right to complain about any live-action on Cartoon Network or [as], or really any other station that breaks its' format.

It always starts small, people. Always.

SirLemming

06-07-2006, 12:01 PM

Bits of animation on some episodes does not cut it for me.
Small correction: every episode.

I just hope you all realize how hypocritical you all are.

Whine and complain your heads off when SBTB is on for two stupid weeks, clearly as a joke, and yet then accept a full 45-episode run of Pee-Wee's with wide-open arms, making excuses all the way, like "well, it has some animation", or "it started out as an adult show".

Fine. But you supporters damn well better never start crying once the [as] line-up starts getting filled by Pee-Wees or Saul of the Mole Peoples. In fact, as far as I'm concerned, you've officially waved any and all right to complain about any live-action on Cartoon Network or [as], or really any other station that breaks its' format.

It always starts small, people. Always.
Look up "overdramatic" in the dictionary and you will find this post.

And your signature.

Give it a rest, Pastor EscaflownePilot.

Conan-san

06-07-2006, 12:06 PM

We accept Pee-Wee for it is good.

We did not accept SBTB for it was crap.

Oh dearest math! You hve been done!

Discloner

06-07-2006, 12:26 PM

Look up "overdramatic" in the dictionary and you will find this post.

And your signature.

Give it a rest, Pastor EscaflownePilot.Uh...he's not being overdramatic, he's being honest. SBTB aired 2 weeks worth of episodes and people ran around crying foul because it wasn't animation and didn't belong on Adult Swim; then the entire Pee-Wee series comes to AS and people are "Oh, ok. I at least like that show".

I love Pee-Wee's playhouse, but that doesn't change the fact that it simply doesn't belong on Adult Swim. You can like something and recognize that it simply doesn't fit on a certain channel or block. Doing otherwise is just shutting your eyes to a larger problem because you're too lazy to change the channel. By being hypocritical you're only giving the people who keep making these decisions a reason to continue down the same path.

Why couldn't TBS have aired this? Why can't TBS have their own Nick@Nite instead of turning Adult Swim into it?

SirLemming

06-07-2006, 01:41 PM

j32885

06-07-2006, 02:05 PM

I remember seeing some of Pee-Wee's Playhouse back in the day, never was into this show though. My friend was a huge Pee-wee Herman fan back then, he even had all of the action fgures and the playset.

Now, will I watch the show again? Maybe, unless I find it too kiddish and stupid for my tastes.

Tobias

06-07-2006, 03:11 PM

One Radical Dude

06-07-2006, 03:27 PM

Small correction: every episode.

Look up "overdramatic" in the dictionary and you will find this post.

And your signature.

Give it a rest, Pastor EscaflownePilot.

Even if that were true, the show is mostly focused on live-action. Now Ed Grimley would be a better fit.

We accept Pee-Wee for it is good.

We did not accept SBTB for it was crap.

Oh dearest math! You hve been done!

Williams Street can throw in the best LA programming out there, and my opinion still wouldn't change. I do think that one day, Action will be phased out, if they continue to push for more LA.

The Fullmetal

06-07-2006, 04:26 PM

I think this is all a ploy by Mike "Idiot" Lazzo in order to attempt to rid AS of its anime lineup by acquiring more and more live-action shows from the '80s because he's a biased moron.

Yeah, right. And even if he did try that, it wouldn't work.

livingfruitvirus

06-07-2006, 04:50 PM

The Wolverine

06-07-2006, 04:59 PM

I read that they're going to air the entire series. This isn't gonna be a two-week deal like SBTB (though it could be pulled off the air, if it does extremely poor). Like SBTB, I'm not going to be watching this, as it would be supporting LA on a network for animation. Bits of animation on some episodes does not cut it for me.
Meh.

I don't care either way. It had Phil Hartman, and Phil Hartman = win.

SirLemming

06-07-2006, 05:19 PM

Enough crying foul from everyone who thinks Pee-Wee is ushering in the appocalypse. You know, we've come to expect too much of Adult Swim. Why does everyone think that everything on Adult Swim has to contain blood, sex, and extreme adult humor?

Pee-Wee fits on Adult Swim as much as anywhere else on CN: Today's adults grew up on it, it contains animation (stop motion & puppet animation, but it's still animation. People wouldn't be throwing fits if it was Wonder Showzen that got picked up), and it appeals to almost everyone.

Just because Pee-Wee isn't humping Miss Yvonne, slicing through Cowboy Curtis with a chainsaw, or trying to assassinate the King of Cartoons doesn't mean that the show isn't adult.

ADULT SWIM doesn't mean the show itself doesn't have to be TV MA level in content, it just has to appeal to adults, and Pee Wee most definately appeals to today's adults.
Well, I wouldn't go that far. It IS a kids' show, first and foremost. It wasn't designed for adults. But it does have broader appeal, in a strange way. There's some sort of weird meta-environment about it that makes it different than other kid's shows. Once again I'd have to say it's sort of close to Cartoon Planet -- but not quite Space Ghost Coast To Coast.

I won't be fighting tooth-and-nail to get this on AS, but I don't mind it, either. Especially since it hasn't aired in a long time, unlike Saved By The Bell, which really just didn't need another airing. It had more than enough TV time already.

William C. Maune

06-07-2006, 05:40 PM

Something to consider, this will all be moot if Pee Wee doesn't do very well. There is certainly nostalgia, but it remains to be seen whether adults will have had their fill after two weeks. It could stick around for awhile, but it could also get moved to the 5am hour pretty quickly. In other words, there is no real need to get at each other's throats over this, it may not even stick around.

livingfruitvirus

06-07-2006, 05:46 PM

Well, I wouldn't go that far. It IS a kids' show, first and foremost. It wasn't designed for adults. But it does have broader appeal, in a strange way. There's some sort of weird meta-environment about it that makes it different than other kid's shows. Once again I'd have to say it's sort of close to Cartoon Planet -- but not quite Space Ghost Coast To Coast.

I won't be fighting tooth-and-nail to get this on AS, but I don't mind it, either. Especially since it hasn't aired in a long time, unlike Saved By The Bell, which really just didn't need another airing. It had more than enough TV time already.

Well at least this thread hasn't delved into what defines an adult show. Ultimately, Adult Swim will be for shows that appeal to adults.

Think of it this way. It's a fact that premieres of Spongebob Squarepants get more adult viewers than premieres of The Shield or Rescue Me. Would that make Spongebob suitable for a programming block for adults?

Tobias

06-07-2006, 05:51 PM

On that note, I'd like to point out the MTV2 is airing Spongebob and Zim among a sea of Beavis & Butthead, Celebrity Deathmatch, and other adult oriented toons to promote their Sic'emation block.

Master Moron

06-08-2006, 12:37 AM

Well at least this thread hasn't delved into what defines an adult show. Ultimately, Adult Swim will be for shows that appeal to adults.

Think of it this way. It's a fact that premieres of Spongebob Squarepants get more adult viewers than premieres of The Shield or Rescue Me. Would that make Spongebob suitable for a programming block for adults?

The flaw in your argument is that more cable packages carry Nickelodeon than FX. I wish I got FX.:(

livingfruitvirus

06-08-2006, 12:54 AM

The flaw in your argument is that more cable packages carry Nickelodeon than FX. I wish I got FX.:(

It's not a big enough difference. FX is available in over 85 million homes. Nickelodeon is in closer to 90 million homes.

Nin-Nin69

06-08-2006, 08:58 AM

How about we define adult by saying the show was intended to be for adults from the start and had a bigger adult demographic than anyone else.

Kogarth is not for the young ones and adults who were fans of old school Conan love it. Zim has one of the two on their side, but it wasn't made for adults. The same goes to Pee Wee's Playhouse because his original auidence already grew up.

SirLemming

06-08-2006, 09:25 AM

Pee-Wee's Playhouse certainly could not return as a kids' show. It probably could as a TV Land show.

But despite disputes like the one we're having right now, I think Adult Swim is the place where it's likely to get the most viewership. If it aired on TBS, I don't think it'd be quite so newsworthy. They do seem to have the right demographic in mind here.

The Fullmetal

06-08-2006, 10:34 AM

And if he played more anime, he'd be unbiased?

Yes, because AS will NEVER more anime than comedy, but they're more than willing to show tons of comedy and only a few anime series. That's what their attitude seems like, but I'm sure it'll never happen. I mean, look at that new promo they just came out with, the one where the guy says, "Adult Swim - the home of anime, whether we like it or not."

Oh, and to you guys at AS - ANIME ISN'T SUPPOSED TO BE FUNNY. THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT. :shrug:

Youko Recca

06-08-2006, 10:38 AM

You know, they never HAD to show anime on AS in the first place. Why you so mad? While I don't particularly agree with how they treat it lately, it's not like they haven't let it live.

SirLemming

06-08-2006, 05:17 PM

Anime is foreign. Surely you can't expect a block of American TV to have more foreign shows than American shows on it.

tb4000

06-08-2006, 05:24 PM

Fact of the matter is, every single piece of entertainment geared towards kids is first and foremost created by adults, so that should tell you something right there. It's made with kids in mind, but as an adult, you're always going to add in your own flavor.

veemonjosh

06-08-2006, 05:29 PM

Anime is foreign. Surely you can't expect a block of American TV to have more foreign shows than American shows on it.

If I'm assuming you mean what I think you mean...

Toonami.

Discloner

06-08-2006, 06:25 PM

Look, we're talking about a freaking TV network, not Germany circa 1933. To get all up in arms and cry that this is "the beginning of the end" and brand people as hypocrites is definitely over-the-top. And I have to say I really don't appreciate being called a hypocrite when I'm giving some pretty rational explanations as to why I don't mind this as much as Saved By The Bell, and the same goes for a lot of other people in this thread. Are you gonna try to argue against it, or agree to disagree? Or are you just going to take the easy way out and say "Whatever, you're a bunch of hypocrites"? Can't people have conversations anymore without all these accusations and prophecies of doom?

Nobody's crying "omg the beginning of the end", and I certianly wasn't calling you a hypocrite...or atleast wasn't singling you out of one. I was backing up EscaflownePilot's post, because I whole-heartedly agree with his statement and you labeled him a naysayer off the bat (you managed to throw in a few slight jabs too, to discredit his opinion). People can rationalize their stance on the show airing on AS all they want...but crying foul when AS airs live action for two weeks then accepting the fact that they're airing an entire series because they like the show is the very definition of the word hypocrite. Sorry you don't like it, I didn't write the dictionary.

As for my stance, I already said what I wanted to say. Forums are about posting your thoughts on a given topic...and I've done that. I don't see how I could add anymore to my argument against the show airing on AS, so despite your attempts to make me look the worse I've already said my peace. I'm not the type to run into a topic call a bunch of people hypocrites then just brush it off as that, but like I said...Being against something (and, as we mentioned, citing AS = Cartoon arguments) then a couple months later being for something else simply because you like one better then the other IS being hypocritical.

There is no forcast of doom. I'm not saying fire will fall from the sky if the show airs...and more or less, I honestly haven't seen a single person make such accusations. We're concerned about what AS is turning into...and its essentially Nick@Nite 2 (as I said. Perhaps you didn't read my post, because all these arguments are in there). As the 'network's viewing audience, we're allowed to have an opinion, aren't we?

If anyone's making this argument overdramatic it's you.

Beat

06-08-2006, 06:33 PM

Adult Swim is safe as long as they have Family Guy. Every single decision they have made for the most part is consistent with that philosophy.

One Radical Dude

06-08-2006, 07:09 PM

Nobody's crying "omg the beginning of the end", and I certianly wasn't calling you a hypocrite...or atleast wasn't singling you out of one. I was backing up EscaflownePilot's post, because I whole-heartedly agree with his statement and you labeled him a naysayer off the bat (you managed to throw in a few slight jabs too, to discredit his opinion). People can rationalize their stance on the show airing on AS all they want...but crying foul when AS airs live action for two weeks then accepting the fact that they're airing an entire series because they like the show is the very definition of the word hypocrite. Sorry you don't like it, I didn't write the dictionary.

As for my stance, I already said what I wanted to say. Forums are about posting your thoughts on a given topic...and I've done that. I don't see how I could add anymore to my argument against the show airing on AS, so despite your attempts to make me look the worse I've already said my peace. I'm not the type to run into a topic call a bunch of people hypocrites then just brush it off as that, but like I said...Being against something (and, as we mentioned, citing AS = Cartoon arguments) then a couple months later being for something else simply because you like one better then the other IS being hypocritical.

There is no forcast of doom. I'm not saying fire will fall from the sky if the show airs...and more or less, I honestly haven't seen a single person make such accusations. We're concerned about what AS is turning into...and its essentially Nick@Nite 2 (as I said. Perhaps you didn't read my post, because all these arguments are in there). As the 'network's viewing audience, we're allowed to have an opinion, aren't we?

If anyone's making this argument overdramatic it's you.

Discloner for the 3 -- *swish*!! ;)

livingfruitvirus

06-08-2006, 07:23 PM

If I'm assuming you mean what I think you mean...

Toonami.

Toonami's an exception because of its target audience. Kids aren't as prejudiced when it comes to foreign shows. CN airs shows from the US, Japan, France, Canada, and in one case Taiwan. With adults, it's a whole `nother situation.

Why couldn't TBS have aired this? Why can't TBS have their own Nick@Nite instead of turning Adult Swim into it?

As much as I'd like TBS to air Pee-Wee, I've resigned myself to the fact that TBS is a bunch of play-it-safe dummies who stick to the comedy hits for adults both young AND old. That channel blows, and is wasting channel 17 here with its high definition feed.

I'm predicting that in the next year, Adult Swim will run Arrested Development. It looks like they really like it over there, TBS probably won't run it because it's seen as a failure, but if it does good on AS, THEN stupid TBS will bandwagon jump and run it. I'm just posting this in case it happens, and then I can link back to my li'l post, and feel like a psychic.

Yes, because AS will NEVER more anime than comedy, but they're more than willing to show tons of comedy and only a few anime series. That's what their attitude seems like, but I'm sure it'll never happen. I mean, look at that new promo they just came out with, the one where the guy says, "Adult Swim - the home of anime, whether we like it or not."

No. It would be a bias. If AS preferred to run anime in place of other programs, it's a bias towards anime. I think part of AS thinks that they're in some way obligated to run anime because no other network that ranks in the top 15 most watch cable networks among adults are doing so on a frequent basis. All the networks that do are struggling to get an audience average that's six digits.

Oh, and to you guys at AS - ANIME ISN'T SUPPOSED TO BE FUNNY. THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT. :shrug:

I think Bobobo's funny.

SirLemming

06-08-2006, 07:48 PM

Nobody's crying "omg the beginning of the end", and I certianly wasn't calling you a hypocrite...or atleast wasn't singling you out of one. I was backing up EscaflownePilot's post, because I whole-heartedly agree with his statement and you labeled him a naysayer off the bat (you managed to throw in a few slight jabs too, to discredit his opinion). I was referring to quotes such as:
It always starts small, people. Always. which I find just a bit ludicrous given the context.

People can rationalize their stance on the show airing on AS all they want...but crying foul when AS airs live action for two weeks then accepting the fact that they're airing an entire series because they like the show is the very definition of the word hypocrite. Sorry you don't like it, I didn't write the dictionary. Nope. Anyone who said "I WILL NEVER ACCEPT ANY LIVE-ACTION SHOW ON ADULT SWIM" is indeed a hypocrite if they accept one and not the other (although the average Pee-Wee episode does have a good chunk of animation). Anything beyond that is a misuse of the word "hypocrite", because it's based on the assumption that anyone who doesn't want Saved By The Bell on AS cannot logically want Pee-Wee's Playhouse on AS. But there's no concrete, logical reason that has to be true, so this does not qualify as hypocrisy, or at least it's really hard to prove that it does. Something more fundamental, something larger than either Pee-Wee or SBTB, would have to be contradicted.
For most of the people in this thread, I don't think that's the case. The general sentiment here seems to be that SBTB is a dumb live-action show with no relevance to AS's audience whereas Pee-Wee's Playhouse is a unique niche show with animated aspects to it and it just makes a little more sense overall.

Most people commit hypocritical actions now and then, but it is really quite abnormal for a person to have hypocritical beliefs. Illogical beliefs, perhaps. But hypocrisy requires self-contradiction on a very fundamental level. I'm sort of led to think that only the most inherently flawed beliefs can be truly hypocritical.

If I say any more on the philosophy of the matter it'll really just be self-serving fluff.

If I'm assuming you mean what I think you mean...

Toonami.
You shouldn't EXPECT an American TV block to have more foreign shows than American shows. That doesn't mean it can't happen.

Discloner

06-09-2006, 12:00 AM

I was referring to quotes such as:
which I find just a bit ludicrous given the context. But this is true is it not? I mean, G4 didn't turn into the anything-but network overnight. It was a small progression that led it to where it is today. The same could be said for MTV, VH1, MTV2 (Ha. Where the music's at) and Sci-Fi.

Nope. Anyone who said "I WILL NEVER ACCEPT ANY LIVE-ACTION SHOW ON ADULT SWIM" is indeed a hypocrite if they accept one and not the other (although the average Pee-Wee episode does have a good chunk of animation). Anything beyond that is a misuse of the word "hypocrite", because it's based on the assumption that anyone who doesn't want Saved By The Bell on AS cannot logically want Pee-Wee's Playhouse on AS. But there's no concrete, logical reason that has to be true, so this does not qualify as hypocrisy, or at least it's really hard to prove that it does. Something more fundamental, something larger than either Pee-Wee or SBTB, would have to be contradicted.
For most of the people in this thread, I don't think that's the case. The general sentiment here seems to be that SBTB is a dumb live-action show with no relevance to AS's audience whereas Pee-Wee's Playhouse is a unique niche show with animated aspects to it and it just makes a little more sense overall.

Most people commit hypocritical actions now and then, but it is really quite abnormal for a person to have hypocritical beliefs. Illogical beliefs, perhaps. But hypocrisy requires self-contradiction on a very fundamental level. I'm sort of led to think that only the most inherently flawed beliefs can be truly hypocritical.

If I say any more on the philosophy of the matter it'll really just be self-serving fluff.Now you're just playing with semantics. To me this is not a Save by the Bell VS Pee Wee argument, it's a Live-action vs Animated statement. SBTB was live action, and when it aired people complained about live-action on Adult Swim. Pee Wee is live action. You can spin it anyway you like but 3 minutes worth of animation in a 22 minute program does not an Adult Swim show make...or rather, shouldn't make (because obviously they're bent into taking the 'network' this way). Saying "Yay Pee Wee" a month after saying "Boo Live Action on AS" is a hypocritical statement.

I'm not interested in debating the differences between a hypocritical belief (when did discussion ever evolve into this anyway?) and a hypocritical statement, nor into discussing philosophy surrounding the word, when saying one thing, then saying the opposite is indeed a self contradiction, which...as you said...is requred for a hypocritical statement.

SirLemming

06-09-2006, 09:56 AM

But it IS a matter of SBTB vs. Pee-Wee's Playhouse. There's no need to make it anything more than that. Well, there could be, but that's all in the spirit of friendly debate, I should hope.

when saying one thing, then saying the opposite is indeed a self contradiction, which...as you said...is requred for a hypocritical statement. Supporting Pee-Wee's Playhouse on AS is not the opposite of being against Saved By The Bell on AS.
You and EscaflownePilot and some others may feel that this is the same thing as opposing live action on AS as a whole and then supporting it as a whole. That may be valid, but it's undeniably taking the whole issue one step further than what some people are actually saying.

I don't see how such opposition/support can be hypocritical if someone gives a rational, if not infallible, explanation for it. It all comes from that person's same general belief about what belongs on Adult Swim. It's pretty hard to prove that it doesn't. But that's what calling someone a hypocrite implies. And I'm not here to say who is and who isn't calling people hypocrites and being called hypocrites; I honestly don't care about that anymore. I'm not sitting here fuming about it or demanding justice.

I think it's really pretty simple: some people think AS should not have live-action shows or even largely live-action shows, and others aren't totally opposed to the idea. Yet people from both camps were opposed to SBTB. That's probably about it.

herbkir

06-09-2006, 12:28 PM

People forget that what made Adult Swim work was that they ran quirky-but-clever shows with adult appeal that adults couldn't find anyplace else.

They ran mature anime like Cowboy Bebop when just about everyone else in TV had written off adult-level anime as a total loser. Today, AS is the only basic-cable network that consistently runs adult-level anime, which accounts for about a third of its total viewership.

In comedy, when they picked up Family Guy and Futurama, both shows had been written off by Fox as exhausted losers. Look what happened after they got on AS. In their original animated comedies, AS went with themes and ideas nobody else considered. I mean, how ludicrous the idea of a comedy built around 3 talking fast-food items! (But look how well ATHF did.) Or resurrecting cheesy old heroes from crappy 70s cartoons! (But shows like Space Ghost and Sealab found fans.)

I think Pee Wee fits right into that history. I can't think of a more perfect show for a bunch of stressed-out college students who need a break from studies. Pee Wee was and is unique and always did have adult overtones to it even though it was aimed at kids. For today's college kids, Pee Wee is part of their past. And as an animation/live mix, it arguably can be included in an animated block. The key here is that Pee Wee is a unique show with adult appeal, not seen in over a decade, that adults won't see anyplace else.

Now, something like Saved by the Bell really didn't fit. It was a mainstream TV comedy, shopworn, with marginal adult appeal. It wasn't something special. So it was greeted with scorn, its novelty wore off fast and it ended up with indifferent ratings. (^_*)

D.Shaffer

06-09-2006, 03:23 PM

SBTB. No animation
Pee Wee's Playhouse. Had a significant amount of animation in each episode, both regular and stop motions.

I dont particularly care for either of those two shows, but I can accept Pee Wee's Playhouse. I dont mind the Banana Splits either, for the same reason, and I dont remember anyone complaining when CN was still showing that.

livingfruitvirus

06-09-2006, 03:33 PM

I dont particularly care for either of those two shows, but I can accept Pee Wee's Playhouse. I dont mind the Banana Splits either, for the same reason, and I dont remember anyone complaining when CN was still showing that.

Wasn't that in the mid-90s? The internet wasn't ready for it.

Nin-Nin69

06-09-2006, 05:34 PM

Moto Pete

06-09-2006, 05:42 PM

I Agree That The 2-5am Repeat Suxs

SirLemming

06-09-2006, 06:38 PM

They've already cut into some of the rerun time, so I expect they'll continue to do so when they need to. But they're still having trouble filling the block with stuff that hasn't been aired a billion times already, so it doesn't seem to matter yet.

I mean, they're running freaking Oblongs now.

livingfruitvirus

06-09-2006, 08:10 PM

Can they just get rid of the repeat 3 hour block? You could add more shows that are not already on the lineup for both ASA and ASC. Then crap like this wouldn't probally come up. Why is it that hard for WS to do?

According to the monthly telecasts, those 2 AM/3 AM encores do just as good, often times better, than 12 AM and 1 AM programs.

Mugen

06-09-2006, 08:17 PM

I mean, they're running freaking Oblongs now.

And those "freaking" Oblongs are getting good ratings.

Nin-Nin69

06-09-2006, 08:26 PM

According to the monthly telecasts, those 2 AM/3 AM encores do just as good, often times better, than 12 AM and 1 AM programs.
I've seen only one repeat of premieres make the top 3 for the weekend and it was one of the episodes for Boondocks. Either way that doesn't stop the fact that the great programs which AS have can be shown for that 3 hour period and get ratings too.

Chrono1995

06-11-2006, 03:19 AM

I think Bobobo's funny.

Bobobo is very, very funny.

Oh, and I don't see the point of some of this debate. Anime isn't going anywhere for a long while (even though they need new shows in a big way), so let's just sit back and enjoy Pee-wee, shall we?

The Fullmetal

06-11-2006, 11:15 PM

SirLemming

06-11-2006, 11:37 PM

PG, what the heck? If not Y or Y7, certainly a G would do.

One Radical Dude

06-11-2006, 11:47 PM

Well, according to the new promo AS just aired, Pee-Wee is gonna be TV-PG somehow. :eek: Maybe they dubbed in some profanity or something. :p

Oh, and they somehow got those ants to form the words ADULT SWIM.

It's probably a way to increase adult ratings (PWP isn't TV-PG material). They can slap a TV-MA for all I care, I'm not tuning in.

Skank

06-12-2006, 02:56 PM

[quote=Discloner]We're concerned about what AS is turning into...and its essentially Nick@Nite 2[/.quote]

I hate to be critical, but how exactly is Adult Swim turning into Nick at Nite? Last I checked, AS had aired SBTB for two weeks as a joke and to piss people off, and is currently airing a program that has a huge cult following among the kind of people who watch their channel. I'd just like to know where you saw Full House and the Cosby Show on their schedule?

The Fullmetal

06-12-2006, 04:54 PM

We're concerned about what AS is turning into...and its essentially Nick@Nite 2

I hate to be critical, but how exactly is Adult Swim turning into Nick at Nite? Last I checked, AS had aired SBTB for two weeks as a joke and to piss people off, and is currently airing a program that has a huge cult following among the kind of people who watch their channel. I'd just like to know where you saw Full House and the Cosby Show on their schedule?
Yeah, what the hell is Discloner talking about? For it to be Nick at Nite 2, they'd have to be showing I Love Lucy, The Cosby Show, Full House and The Brady Bunch. Showing a lame family comedy for 2 WEEKS and then a Saturday morning kids' program does not make them a second NaN.

SirLemming

06-12-2006, 08:52 PM

It's a valid concern. However, the thing is that Pee-Wee's Playhouse is a completely unique show. Therefore, it's hard to say that it'll usher in a flood of _______________ shows. Whether a success for Playhouse is taken as a success for live action remains to be seen.

New Noise™

06-12-2006, 08:55 PM

I'll take this over CN Karate Commandos anyday.

I think anyone would. ;)

Coolboyman

06-12-2006, 10:28 PM

In case you people didnt know, theyre airing all 45 episodes at 11:00 PM, and after the 45th episode, they'll run them all again.

Talk about a waste of space.

One Radical Dude

06-12-2006, 11:30 PM

I think anyone would. ;)

I'm not part of the "anyone" crowd, sorry. :p

The Wolverine

06-12-2006, 11:35 PM

I'm not part of the "anyone" crowd, sorry. :p
You'd rather watch a craptastic cartoon over a unique and well-made program?

Yikes.

Discloner

06-13-2006, 02:00 AM

I hate to be critical, but how exactly is Adult Swim turning into Nick at Nite? Last I checked, AS had aired SBTB for two weeks as a joke and to piss people off, and is currently airing a program that has a huge cult following among the kind of people who watch their channel. I'd just like to know where you saw Full House and the Cosby Show on their schedule?
Because they're going through the 'These are old nostalgic shows that people will watch if we air' bin. It might just be one 'stunt' and one series now...but that's all it takes for them to decide "Hey this works, lets find more of it".

RD!

06-13-2006, 02:27 AM

Yeah, what the hell is Discloner talking about? For it to be Nick at Nite 2, they'd have to be showing I Love Lucy, The Cosby Show, Full House and The Brady Bunch. Showing a lame family comedy for 2 WEEKS and then a Saturday morning kids' program does not make them a second NaN.They'd also be on Nickelodeon right? Hurr. Oh. And for them to be Nick at Nite 2 they'd have to be named Nick at Nite 2 but they're NOT they're still Adult Swim. So Cody you're wrong like incest.

Taylor Karras

06-13-2006, 03:20 AM

Youko Recca

06-13-2006, 03:37 AM

First Adult Swim aquires crap shows like Eureka Seven and Minoriteam, and then aquires kids shows like Pee-Wee's Playhouse, Adult Swim is not worthy to wear the title of Adult Programming Block, This is the begining of the end for Adult Swim.

LOL, you mad? All of what you just said is subjective(especially about AS having to acquire their own show).

One Radical Dude

06-13-2006, 04:22 AM

You'd rather watch a craptastic cartoon over a unique and well-made program?

Yikes.

Well-made live action programs are fine, IF they are on an appropriate network (not this one). So, yeah, I'd rather watch craptastic cartoons on Cartoon Network than watch well-made LIVE-ACTION (AAAAAAAH!!!!!!!! [secret word]) shows on Cartoon Network. If I want live action, I have other channels for that.

First Adult Swim aquires crap shows like Eureka Seven and Minoriteam, and then aquires kids shows like Pee-Wee's Playhouse, Adult Swim is not worthy to wear the title of Adult Programming Block, This is the begining of the end for Adult Swim.

I don't bother with Minoriteam, but E7 -- I can't agree it's crap, even though it's a slow-starter (can you say s~CRY~ed?). I enjoyed Pee-Wee's Playhouse as a child, and I would watch -- but I'd be supporting Williams Street's move to show stuff like this. So, I'm not gonna. The only way it'll be the end is if we CHOOSE to let it go.

The Wolverine

06-13-2006, 05:17 AM

Well-made live action programs are fine, IF they are on an appropriate network (not this one). So, yeah, I'd rather watch craptastic cartoons on Cartoon Network than watch well-made LIVE-ACTION (AAAAAAAH!!!!!!!! [secret word]) shows on Cartoon Network. If I want live action, I have other channels for that.

If you want to get really technical, [adult swim] has been it's own network for almost two years.

CaptainRed

06-13-2006, 10:00 AM

Well, according to the new promo AS just aired, Pee-Wee is gonna be TV-PG somehow. :eek: Maybe they dubbed in some profanity or something. :p

My guess: AXE commercials. ;¬b

First Adult Swim aquires crap shows like Eureka Seven and Minoriteam, and then aquires kids shows like Pee-Wee's Playhouse, Adult Swim is not worthy to wear the title of Adult Programming Block, This is the begining of the end for Adult Swim.

I can't tell if you're being serious or sarcastic. If the latter: truly well done. The very phrasing and tone of someone bent out of shape over something both trivial and stupid. Oh, and "not worthy to wear the title of Adult Programming Block"? Genius!

I enjoyed Pee-Wee's Playhouse as a child, and I would watch -- but I'd be supporting Williams Street's move to show stuff like this. So, I'm not gonna. The only way it'll be the end is if we CHOOSE to let it go.

Unless you have a Nielsen box... what the hell are you worried about?

The Fullmetal

06-13-2006, 10:15 AM

In case you people didnt know, theyre airing all 45 episodes at 11:00 PM, and after the 45th episode, they'll run them all again.

Talk about a waste of space.
Someone's never heard of reruns. You're just complaining because you don't like the show. Be quiet and let us fans enjoy it.

And Pee-Wee is not a waste of space. ATHF, Sealab and Tom Goes - those are massive wastes of space.

I hate to be critical, but how exactly is Adult Swim turning into Nick at Nite? Last I checked, AS had aired SBTB for two weeks as a joke and to piss people off, and is currently airing a program that has a huge cult following among the kind of people who watch their channel. I'd just like to know where you saw Full House and the Cosby Show on their schedule?
Because they're going through the 'These are old nostalgic shows that people will watch if we air' bin. It might just be one 'stunt' and one series now...but that's all it takes for them to decide "Hey this works, lets find more of it".
Whatever, I still don't see how it resembles Nick at Nite, which is SUPPOSED TO SHOW OLD SHOWS FROM THE '80S. AS is doing it as a joke, NaN does it because that's its purpose. Your reasoning fails.

Yeah, what the hell is Discloner talking about? For it to be Nick at Nite 2, they'd have to be showing I Love Lucy, The Cosby Show, Full House and The Brady Bunch. Showing a lame family comedy for 2 WEEKS and then a Saturday morning kids' program does not make them a second NaN.
They'd also be on Nickelodeon right? Hurr. Oh. And for them to be Nick at Nite 2 they'd have to be named Nick at Nite 2 but they're NOT they're still Adult Swim. So Cody you're wrong like incest.
Who's Cody?

Punisher

06-13-2006, 02:11 PM

And Pee-Wee is not a waste of space. ATHF, Sealab and Tom Goes - those are massive wastes of space.
Gonna have to disagree. I'd much rather watch those three(yes, even Sealab) then Pee-Wee's Playhouse. Maybe because, well, you know, they actually BELONG on Adult Swim?

The Wolverine

06-13-2006, 02:12 PM

Unless you have a Nielsen box... what the hell are you worried about?
And CaptainRed makes an excellent point.

If you're not in a Neilsen household, you're not contributing to any ratings.

Mugen

06-13-2006, 02:32 PM

herbkir

06-13-2006, 09:59 PM

I think AS learned something from the fling with Saved by the Bell: Generic old live-action (Aaaaaaaaaaaagh!!! [secret word]) shows with nothing particularly special about them add nothing to the unique atmosphere of Adult Swim. So fears of AS turning into a NaN clone are groundless.

Pee Wee's Playhouse, however, was and still is unique, and weird enough to appeal to today's young adults who grew up with it. Test it yourselves. When it starts airing, get together with several buddies, add your favorite snacks and beverages, and see what happens. You'll probably all laugh yourselves stupid.

Besides, if Adult Swim can train the Ant Farm to spell out its name, then anything is possible. Including Pee Wee becoming a big hit. (^_*)

Discloner

06-13-2006, 10:53 PM

Whatever, I still don't see how it resembles Nick at Nite, which is SUPPOSED TO SHOW OLD SHOWS FROM THE '80S. AS is doing it as a joke, NaN does it because that's its purpose. Your reasoning fails. AS is supposed to show Adult Cartoons as well, but its not what's happening. SBTB was a joke, though I think most of us weren't laughing. Airing all whatever-number of episodes Pee Wee Playhouse is not a joke. Its an aquisition.

My reasoning does not fail, because you over looked the fact that my argument against Live-action on AS was founded on the fact that I find the network's change in focus unacceptable. The Nick at Nite comment was just support for my argument (You could say Movie X is like Movie Y, but that doesn't mean Movie X IS Movie Y).

Who's Cody?The greatest man who ever lived. He has ridden the giant moon worm.

Yash

06-13-2006, 11:02 PM

I want Pee-Wee's Big Adventure.

CaptainRed

06-13-2006, 11:25 PM

Gonna have to disagree. I'd much rather watch those three(yes, even Sealab) then Pee-Wee's Playhouse. Maybe because, well, you know, they actually BELONG on Adult Swim?

So... you'd rather watch a bad or shopworn series than a decent or good new(and after all this time, it practically is new) one just because it uses the wrong media?

The greatest man who ever lived. He has ridden the giant moon worm.

*claps* Good for him.

Mugen

06-14-2006, 12:07 AM

In case you people didnt know, theyre airing all 45 episodes at 11:00 PM, and after the 45th episode, they'll run them all again.

Talk about a waste of space.

Come on, AS acquired all 45 episodes. You don't think they wouldn't rerun it?

William C. Maune

06-14-2006, 12:14 AM

Come on, AS acquired all 45 episodes. You don't think they wouldn't rerun it?

They'll run them, but if it bombs then it won't be a 11pm. Pee Wee is an interesting idea, but it isn't exactly a sure thing. If it does bad enough, after two weeks it could be finishing its run (and repeats) in another timeslot, such as 5am.

Punisher

06-14-2006, 12:15 AM

So... you'd rather watch a bad or shopworn series than a decent or good new(and after all this time, it practically is new) one just because it uses the wrong media?
Yes.

James Bester

06-14-2006, 12:20 AM

So... you'd rather watch a great comedy series that fits adult swim well than a Saturday morning kid's puppet show just because it uses the wrong media?
Fix'd.

The Fullmetal

06-14-2006, 04:40 PM

So... you'd rather watch a bad or shopworn series than a decent or good new(and after all this time, it practically is new) one just because it uses the wrong media?

Yes.

Punisher should join Strawberry Jam and they could live in their little world of crappy cartoons.

And Shakezola, Sealab is not a great comedy series. It's a piece of crap. Then again, it was made by AS, so that's not surprising. Don't go "fixing" quotes so they fit your ideas. That's worse than plagarism. I dare you to try that in a newspaper article you write someday.

Discloner

06-14-2006, 04:56 PM

Punisher should join Strawberry Jam and they could live in their little world of crappy cartoons.

And Shakezola, Sealab is not a great comedy series. It's a piece of crap. Then again, it was made by AS, so that's not surprising. Don't go "fixing" quotes so they fit your ideas. That's worse than plagarism. I dare you to try that in a newspaper article you write someday.
Chill out man, just because you don't like Sealab doesn't make your opinion fact. Just like my opinions on Pee Wee airing on AS aren't fact, they're just opinions...

Also isn't the running gag that there's no such thing as plagiarism on the internet?

Aquadementia

06-14-2006, 05:17 PM

Fixing quotes bugs me a little, but if it's clearly marked it serves as a new statement.
It's playful.
I'd rather not see it done, but as long as people know what's what and the original poster doesn't object, no real harm done.

Just like my opinions on Pee Wee airing on AS aren't fact, they're just opinions...
I agree.
But I forget, are we here to argue opinions or facts?
Because facts should be immutable and opinions are no one else business.

Oh, Strawberry Jam + Punisher World would also be filled with great music and killer onions.

They'll run them, but if it bombs then it won't be a 11pm. Pee Wee is an interesting idea, but it isn't exactly a sure thing. If it does bad enough, after two weeks it could be finishing its run (and repeats) in another timeslot, such as 5am. In it's favor, it's getting some free promotion. I've seen it talked about on E!
But please don't take that as an indication I watch E! regularly.

Discloner

06-14-2006, 05:30 PM

I agree.
But I forget, are we here to argue opinions or facts?
Because facts should be immutable and opinions are no one else business.
Facts should be immutable, but its the internet...so. ;)
Opinions aren't nessisarily nobody else's buisness. In reality, opinions are expressed often and help drive any sort of decision-making process.

But again, it's the internet...Without people arguing over opinions we wouldn't be here having this discussion now, nor would this forum or any forum for that matter, have any sort of purpose at all.

Punisher

06-14-2006, 06:15 PM

Punisher should join Strawberry Jam and they could live in their little world of crappy cartoons.

And Shakezola, Sealab is not a great comedy series. It's a piece of crap. Then again, it was made by AS, so that's not surprising. Don't go "fixing" quotes so they fit your ideas. That's worse than plagarism. I dare you to try that in a newspaper article you write someday.
Besides the fact that I like the first 20 or so episodes of Sealab, I just have this to say:
INTERNETS=SERIOUS BUSINESS

James Bester

06-14-2006, 06:17 PM

And Shakezola, Sealab is not a great comedy series. It's a piece of crap. Then again, it was made by AS, so that's not surprising. Don't go "fixing" quotes so they fit your ideas. That's worse than plagarism. I dare you to try that in a newspaper article you write someday.
If what you say is true, then it's also plagarism to copy press releases and post them on Toonzone. That's the great thing about the internet. You can express your opinion without having to worry about laws like that.

And you're free to believe that Sealab is a piece of crap. It's your opinion. But it's a fact that Saturday morning kid's shows do not belong on Adult Swim. I don't care if all the adults on this forum like it. It's a kid's show and it's not a cartoon. I thought Adult Swim was supposed to be for adult animation.

Let's put it this way. When I was younger I was into the first season of Pokemon. What if Adult Swim decided to air that just for nostalgia? I'm sure a lot of people would like to remember it, but that still wouldn't give it the right to air on a block that's made up of adult programming.

The Landstander

06-14-2006, 07:37 PM

You've been given more than a fair chance, Fullmetal, have a nice e-life.

SirLemming

06-14-2006, 08:45 PM

And you're free to believe that Sealab is a piece of crap. It's your opinion. But it's a fact that Saturday morning kid's shows do not belong on Adult Swim. I don't care if all the adults on this forum like it. It's a kid's show and it's not a cartoon. I thought Adult Swim was supposed to be for adult animation.

Let's put it this way. When I was younger I was into the first season of Pokemon. What if Adult Swim decided to air that just for nostalgia? I'm sure a lot of people would like to remember it, but that still wouldn't give it the right to air on a block that's made up of adult programming.
Nostalgia clearly factors into it, but the show has adult appeal even on its own. It's hard to explain, but there have been a few posts about this idea and it'd be a waste of space to repeat them.

CaptainRed

06-14-2006, 08:58 PM

Fixing quotes bugs me a little, but if it's clearly marked it serves as a new statement.
It's playful.
I'd rather not see it done, but as long as people know what's what and the original poster doesn't object, no real harm done.

I have no objections. My original post was in this thread, and anyone reading his post should probably have seen mine. Anyway, this is aside from the serious business that brings us here, as Punisher said.

In it's favor, it's getting some free promotion. I've seen it talked about on E!
But please don't take that as an indication I watch E! regularly.

YOU watch E!??? :eek:

And you're free to believe that Sealab is a piece of crap. It's your opinion. But it's a fact that Saturday morning kid's shows do not belong on Adult Swim. I don't care if all the adults on this forum like it. It's a kid's show and it's not a cartoon. I thought Adult Swim was supposed to be for adult animation.

So, by this logic, you should also be against the airing of the recent graveyard hour shows: Mr. T, Chuck Norris, Gary Coleman, and Super Globetrotters. All were originally intended for that Saturday morning audience, or one similar.

But where do you draw the line? There are some anime that were intended for younger audiences in Japan that would never survive on that audience here in the States. Would you also say those don't belong?

And what about something like Popeye? Originally, it wasn't intended just for the kid-set, but over the years, it has become associated with Saturday morning fare. Would you also say it has no place?

Let's put it this way. When I was younger I was into the first season of Pokemon. What if Adult Swim decided to air that just for nostalgia? I'm sure a lot of people would like to remember it, but that still wouldn't give it the right to air on a block that's made up of adult programming.

We are not speaking of "rights" here. This isn't some solid, unalterable thing we're talking about. This isn't an institution. This is television. It is a glowy little box that entertains. The Adult Swim block is no loftier. It has no constitution — it is just a programming bloxk. Nothing has a right to air on the block. Not Pee Wee. Not Cowboy Bebop. Not Aqua Teen.

Do not forget what we're talking about here.

And if you need the your entertainment to reinforce the idea that you are "mature," or an "adult," then you have larger issues to deal with than one piece of programming on an overnight television block.

livingfruitvirus

06-14-2006, 10:15 PM

You've been given more than a fair chance, Fullmetal, have a nice e-life.

Why aren't you on AIM so I can thank you?

Discloner

06-14-2006, 10:33 PM

Nostalgia clearly factors into it, but the show has adult appeal even on its own. It's hard to explain, but there have been a few posts about this idea and it'd be a waste of space to repeat them.I honestly think, that if this show was new today- airing on adult swim, more then half of the people who are for it would be against it. I don't think many of us would ever be thinking "Wow, this show has adult undertones!". Shrek has Adult undertones, would that make it good for AS, and for that example it's still a cartoon, which Pee Wee is not.

I think a lot of us LOVE Pee Wee, I certainly do. However, it does not fit AS. It shouldn't be on AS, and no attention to 'undertones' or minuscule details will ever change the fact that the show is and was a live-action TV show made inexplicably for children to watch on Saturday Mornings.

As for the Nostalgia factor with Mr. T/Chuck Norris. I honestly don't think I'd be supporting it on at 11pm either, however both those shows DO fit AS in the fact that they have adult appeal AND are animated. Pee Wee might have adult appeal deriving from it's nostalgia, but it certainly isn't animated...and AS loosing that aspect is my main concern and the driving point against the show airing at all on the network.

Aquadementia

06-14-2006, 11:28 PM

Facts should be immutable, but its the internet...so. ;)
Opinions aren't nessisarily nobody else's buisness. In reality, opinions are expressed often and help drive any sort of decision-making process.

But again, it's the internet...Without people arguing over opinions we wouldn't be here having this discussion now, nor would this forum or any forum for that matter, have any sort of purpose at all.
If Pee Wee were alive today, the internet would be his playhouse.
I have no objections. My original post was in this thread, and anyone reading his post should probably have seen mine. Anyway, this is aside from the serious business that brings us here, as Punisher said.Good point. There might be the rare occasion where someone gets confused, but I think we all can trust eachother here, and we can read.

YOU watch E!??? :eek:
It's half way between TCM and Cartoon Network. I was channel surfing. I swear!

I should also add that when Pee Wee first aired it was big among the 18+ crowd.
They would actually get up on Saturday mornings to watch it.
It was a different time back then. We didn't have 24 hour cartoon networks. Late night was the domain of talk shows, bad movies and old, old situation comedies and shows people barely remember and .... what was my point?

James Bester

06-14-2006, 11:31 PM

So, by this logic, you should also be against the airing of the recent graveyard hour shows: Mr. T, Chuck Norris, Gary Coleman, and Super Globetrotters. All were originally intended for that Saturday morning audience, or one similar.

But where do you draw the line? There are some anime that were intended for younger audiences in Japan that would never survive on that audience here in the States. Would you also say those don't belong?

And what about something like Popeye? Originally, it wasn't intended just for the kid-set, but over the years, it has become associated with Saturday morning fare. Would you also say it has no place?
I'll answer these one at a time:

Those shows you mentioned aired in a graveyard slot, so they didn't matter to the actual block. However, Pee Wee's Playhouse is airing right near the beginning so Adult Swim is actually taking it seriously.

Atleast the anime that has aired on Adult Swim has had adult material that would prevent it from airing on a kid's network. The maturity of Japanese kids is completely opposite from American kids. Therefore the plots of most Adult Swim anime can be easily aimed at American adults.

Today's mainstream adults would not accept Popeye at all. Actually no matter what the age, most mainstream people wouldn't accept classic cartoons. I'm a big fan of the classics, but sadly most common people out there have no respect for them whatsoever.

CaptainRed

06-15-2006, 01:11 AM

It's half way between TCM and Cartoon Network. I was channel surfing. I swear!

*narrows eyes* A likely story. Almost... too likely...

I'll answer these one at a time:

Those shows you mentioned aired in a graveyard slot, so they didn't matter to the actual block. However, Pee Wee's Playhouse is airing right near the beginning so Adult Swim is actually taking it seriously.

I would actually argue to the contrary — what airs in the graveyard slot matters very much to the actual block. It is a part of the block after all, and it is one of the two places they're most likely to test programming (the end and the beginning of the block). The graveyard is probably the best place to try stuff out: most casual viewers have gone to bed, and there aren't the higher ratings of the earlier timeslots to put at risk if things don't work out.

The seeds of Pee Wee were sown by Gary Coleman and the Globetrotters.

Atleast the anime that has aired on Adult Swim has had adult material that would prevent it from airing on a kid's network. The maturity of Japanese kids is completely opposite from American kids. Therefore the plots of most Adult Swim anime can be easily aimed at American adults.

Yu Yu Hakusho went from AS to Toonami, and was aired in the late afternoon for a long time. Big O came from Toonami. And this is aside from the point. The original contention regarded the origin of shows on Adult Swim. The original contention was that shows originally targeted at the Saturday Morning Cartoons set, children, do not belong on AS. There was no qualifier that said "American children."

Today's mainstream adults would not accept Popeye at all. Actually no matter what the age, most mainstream people wouldn't accept classic cartoons. I'm a big fan of the classics, but sadly most common people out there have no respect for them whatsoever.

That suggests that classic cartoons would fail ratingswise on Adult Swim. That doesn't say anything about whether or not they could belong there though. Would you accept, regardless of ratings, a show like Popeye on Adult Swim?

Tobias

06-15-2006, 09:20 AM

The seeds of Pee Wee were sown by Gary Coleman and the Globetrotters.

That quote seems wrong somehow...

RD!

06-15-2006, 10:38 AM

That quote seems wrong somehow...Just go with it, baby.

CaptainRed

06-16-2006, 06:39 AM

That quote seems wrong somehow...

That much I knew as soon as I'd typed it, but once it was out... well, do you think YOU could take it back?

Just go with it, baby.

That would be perfect in the right voice. For example:

[Zapp Branigan] The seeds of Pee Wee were sown by Gary Coleman and the Globetrotters.[/Zapp Branigan]

[Barry White]Just go with it, baby.[/Barry White]

Kamaria

06-16-2006, 12:04 PM

This is just wrong, and yet you're all not as quick to crap on it as you did Saved By the Bell. Screw live action on AS.

AS, it's not funny anymore. Stop this crap right now.

SirLemming

06-16-2006, 04:40 PM

This is just wrong, and yet you're all not as quick to crap on it as you did Saved By the Bell.
Not this again. You're about 5 pages late. If you want explanations about the noted slowdown in crap speed, that's where you can look.

AS, it's not funny anymore.
Because it's not a joke anymore.

Beat

06-16-2006, 05:09 PM

Because it's not a joke anymore.

How is airing a 15 year old children's show starring a convict not a joke?

hobbyfan

06-16-2006, 06:17 PM

Oh, testify!!!:D :D :D

I used to watch Pee-Wee's Playhouse back in the day. Bear in mind that the series marks its 20th anniversary this fall, so Adult Swim is finally doing something right by adding Playhouse to its roster. The "Penny" shorts utilized claymation not unlike the Peter Gabriel videos of that period. Of course, the director of "Sledgehammer" & "Big Time", Stephen R. Johnson, also directed Playhouse, and perhaps specifically "Penny".

Now I have something to watch after wrestling on Monday & Tuesday, and an alternative to TNA Impact on Thursday. Sweet!:D

SirLemming

06-16-2006, 11:27 PM

How is airing a 15 year old children's show starring a convict not a joke?
Well I suppose I can't prove it's not a joke, but it's a little too expensive to be a joke. They bought the rights to air all of the episodes and apparently plan to air them at least twice, and they're airing it at a time when people will actually watch it. I think they do legitimately respect the show and think it belongs there. It's not hard to imagine. A lot of other adults legitimately respect the show.

Beat

06-17-2006, 01:23 PM

Well, I don't respect Paul Rubens, nor have I ever seen Pee Wee as anything but trash.

Still, if Adult Swim sees this as Family Guy money to burn, let them.

raykremer

06-17-2006, 05:11 PM

Kill it with fire!

tucsoncoyote

06-18-2006, 07:15 AM

How is airing a 15 year old children's show starring a convict not a joke?

When instead of that show you describe, they actually air on adult swim, a 15 year old show about a Polka Crazed Parody Musician playing an accordian, and who from time to time breaks out his hamster named Harvey (The Wonder Hamster) and sings about the hamster in a marching band theme style song---and other wacky stuff.

Now that's a Weird (Al) Joke Indeed! :D

But as for Pee Wee? Meh...the name fits the bill... Nuff said.:p :D

Kill it with fire!

Nah that's too good for this show... I say use black gunpowder and fire on it instead..

Well, I don't respect Paul Rubens, nor have I ever seen Pee Wee as anything but trash.

That's true.. of course then be sure not to buy Flight of the Navigator from Disney either.. it had Reubens as the voice of the Sentient Flying saucer. (and if you do.. burn that with fire!) :p

:coyote:

Draven

06-19-2006, 04:27 AM

You know what? I'm GLAD, yes, GLAD, Adult Swim is putting a pleasent part of my childhood on the air. I loved (and married) Pee Wee's Playhouse. I watched it every Saturday back when it was new. I STILL like the movies, in fact I was surprised when I heard Tim Burtin directed Pee Wee's Big Adventure.

The show had more impact than people think. Phil Hartman, Laurence Fishburne, Sandra Burnhard, as well as sevral other big actors got their start on Pee Wee's Playhouse.

Outside of that, the innovations it made in characters and themes for a children's show is incredible. I remember clearly anti-smoking messeges, and anti-prank calling messeges WITHOUT being in your face, and heavy handed. There were messeges of acceptance of all races - notice how the three humans closest to Pee Wee are black? Also, check out how diffrent each character is from one another in lifestyle. Not to mention, making the household items sentient beings is a subliminal messege to respect the things you own, and treat them with care. The show also let the viewer know, it was ok to be diffrent.

I still vividly remember to this day, many parts of the show. I CAN'T say the same for a lot of other shows I watched around that time. Clearly, the show meant a lot to me.

Now, of course, the show and the actor Paul Reubens have a black mark on them, because of the nature of his arrest in 1991. What was he SUPPOSED to be doing in an adult theather? Eating popcorn and thinking how deep the plot was? No. He just happened to be a celebraty caught in the act of being human. What happened to him is sad, and shows how deep, we as a culture love seeing people get destroyed. But you know what? The man bounced BACK from the kiss of death. He still get roles, and makes a living in Hollywood. He's even the voice of a character in the goth-classic A Nightmare Before Christmas. Guess which one!

Bravo to Adult Swim. Maybe it's not a totally animated show, but that doesn't change the fact it's a GOOD show.

Furu

06-19-2006, 04:55 AM

It seems a great deal of the people that are against this have never seen the show, or have somehow convinced themselves that Paul Reubens is some sort of devil-worshipping child molester.

Me, I think it's a great idea. A truly original show that hasn't been seen in ages? Sure, put it on! Better than more Oblongs reruns. It just really irks me that we've got people saying stuff like "kill it with fire" about a show that in its day was pretty much the only adult-friendly kid show on TV. Talk about having no respect for your roots.

Moto Pete

06-19-2006, 06:00 AM

He Never Molested Children!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:evil:

he liked to play with his twizzler in the theatre;)

KingDead

06-19-2006, 06:32 AM

As much as I do have fond childhood memories of the show, I'm still kind of with the folks who have misgivings about it airing on the "Adult Swim" block. It's not necessarily about whether it's a quality show, or if the Live Action-to-Animation ratio squeeks by the cartoon format requirements, it's if nostalgia is a good enough reason to air it on a block that's intended to be for adults.

Classic animation like Popeye or Gigantor slip by because of some historical importance, but it still doesn't seem like Pee Wee merits being shown on the block, especially since it has the added disadvantage of not being all animation. If anything, it ought be, at least, much earlier if it's really for all-ages, than trying to just shoot for adult nostalgia...

I don't know - is there no other animated option they could've done instead? If it's a ratings stunt, you wonder why they wouldn't try attaching it to Saturday, since that's apparently so much in dire straits. Not to slag Pee Wee, but it seems like Adult Swim has the potential to do more to prove animation can be mature. It could just be the Saturday Elitist in me, but maybe the reason Saturday isn't doing so good is that people are only convinced of comedy cartoons being mature. Maybe if Adult Swim tried original action shows, they can lure people into trying out anime. Although that's not to say I'm furiously up in arms over it airing, I may watch it for fun. It's just that they always say three makes a trend...

One Radical Dude

06-20-2006, 01:09 AM

It seems a great deal of the people that are against this have never seen the show, or have somehow convinced themselves that Paul Reubens is some sort of devil-worshipping child molester.

Growing up in the 1980s, I've seen plenty of the show. I enjoyed it, and I enjoyed the Pee-Wee Herman films (I have Big Adventure on DVD). I'm not in a Nielsen household (I would join, but it's not that simple from what I've read), and my viewing of the show or not would affect the ratings, however, I'm sticking to what I believe in, and I'm not tuning in. Capisce? ;)

Furu

06-20-2006, 07:31 AM

Growing up in the 1980s, I've seen plenty of the show. I enjoyed it, and I enjoyed the Pee-Wee Herman films (I have Big Adventure on DVD). I'm not in a Nielsen household (I would join, but it's not that simple from what I've read), and my viewing of the show or not would affect the ratings, however, I'm sticking to what I believe in, and I'm not tuning in. Capisce? ;)

That's a perfectly reasonable decision, then. My ire's more directed at the people who feel the need to belittle the show because a network that doesn't normally air live action wants to air it.

Moto Pete

06-20-2006, 09:31 AM

Well look at How there are almost 200 posts on a show that still has 21 days till it airs by July 10th we may be at 300+
I for one will be watching jut for the sheer enjoyment of the nostalgia and to see L. Fishbourne and P. Hartman

Discloner

06-20-2006, 11:45 PM

That's a perfectly reasonable decision, then. My ire's more directed at the people who feel the need to belittle the show because a network that doesn't normally air live action wants to air it.Honestly I haven't seen anyone do that yet. Most, if not all of the people in this thread who are against the show airing on AS, love it. We just don't think it belongs on AS for above stated reasons.

William C. Maune

06-21-2006, 12:19 AM

For what it's worth, here is the view of a more casual viewer. It's just one person and thus not really indicative of anything, but it is interesting to hear from someone who isn't quite into this stuff as we are, considering that we actually spend time posting on these forums about it.

We were talking at lunch today about Mission Hill being on weeknights and she brought up some of the other recent happenings. Even though it was only for 2 weeks she didn't like the Saved by the Bell stunt since as she put it, Adult Swim is supposed to play cartoons. Plus, she thought it was pretty obvious that they only did it in part because they could get it from TBS. She is looking forward to Pee Wee though. As she puts it, at least it includes cartoons and Pee Wee is much like a cartoon character. Part of it is likely nostalgia also since she and her husband each really liked the show back in the day.

Anyway, I just thought it'd be interesting to throw in a take from someone who unlike those of us on the forum, doesn't argue about this (one way or another) all the time. The views are her own and she brought them up without and encouragement on my part.

Jyose

06-21-2006, 02:06 AM

When Dumb & Dumber aired on Fridays, I said "Well, atleast they're not showing National Lampoon movies on Adult Swim... this is worse.

William C. Maune

06-21-2006, 02:07 AM

How is Pee Wee worse than National Lampoon movies? At least Pee Wee has some animation, unlike those movies.

Anthony C.

06-21-2006, 08:09 AM

That's a perfectly reasonable decision, then. My ire's more directed at the people who feel the need to belittle the show because a network that doesn't normally air live action wants to air it.

Furu, you're missing the point. Most of us who grew up in the late 80's and early 90's love Pee Wee's Playhouse and have fond memories of it. HOWEVER, it is not a cartoon, and I don't want to hear that insulting BS from people who insist that Pee Wee Herman was a "live action cartoon character". That term in my opinion paints animation as an art-form in a corner. Its a great show and I love it, but it doesn't belong on cartoon network and adult swim because it is not a cartoon show. It really is that simple, I don't turn to the channel to watch live action; I want to see the finest animation on the planet when I come to CN/AS. I loved Pee Wee's Playhouse, but I won't watch it out of general principle.

Anthony C.

06-21-2006, 08:13 AM

For the record-the people who are complaining about live action being on CN and then turn around and watch Pee Wee or SBtB, they have lost the right to complain about live action being broadcast on CN in my opinion.

Moto Pete

06-23-2006, 09:29 PM

Beat

06-24-2006, 03:48 PM

THE REASON PEE WEE IS ON AS

June 30th issue of Enterainment Weekly

The Pee Wee Herman Show on DVD July 18th

a llok back at Paul Ruebans 1981 West Hollywood Stage show with Phil Hartman and he is writing a " Dark Pee Wee Movie

And that makes it OK. If someone makes "Emo Care Bears" does that make the original AS material?

Reubens should have stayed retired.

Kryten

06-25-2006, 02:54 AM

Pee-Wee Herman is, in my mind, an honorary cartoon character simply due to the fact that he is already pretty much a cartoon character, except for being made out of meat instead of ink or pixels.

HG Revolution

06-25-2006, 11:12 AM

Pee-Wee Herman is, in my mind, an honorary cartoon character simply due to the fact that he is already pretty much a cartoon character, except for being made out of meat instead of ink or pixels.

OMG! SIMON COWELL GUEST-STARRED ON THE SIMPSONS! CARTOON NETWORK SHOULD THEREFORE AIR AMERICAN IDOL!:p ;) :lol:

Moto Pete

06-25-2006, 01:52 PM

OMG! SIMON COWELL GUEST-STARRED ON THE SIMPSONS! CARTOON NETWORK SHOULD THEREFORE AIR AMERICAN IDOL!:p ;) :lol:

The should show malcom inthe middle because it had cartoon look to it one episode

and Sopanos because the ATHF was on tve this season during an episode

William C. Maune

06-25-2006, 01:54 PM

I don't think those were Kryten's arguments.

vegetable

06-25-2006, 03:21 PM

The should show malcom inthe middle because it had cartoon look to it one episode

Are you sure you weren't drugged up at the time? It never had a cartoon look to it in any episode.

Elven Moon

06-25-2006, 05:18 PM

I think that's the second or two in the opening credits where they flash a scene from an anime. Don't know what anime, though.

HG Revolution

06-25-2006, 05:55 PM

I don't think those were Kryten's arguments.

My point was to show how if something can fit because it's "a live-action cartoon", then anything can fit because pretty much every real-life person resembles some cartoon character (The Simpsons alone covers nearly every archtype and stereotype, so I don't think "a live-action cartoon" really means anything).

William C. Maune

06-25-2006, 05:59 PM

My point was to show how if something can fit because it's "a live-action cartoon", then anything can fit because pretty much every real-life person resembles some cartoon character (The Simpsons alone covers nearly every archtype and stereotype, so I don't think "a live-action cartoon" really means anything).

If that is your point, that's fine. However, that point can be made without being disrespectful to the person you are responding to. Furthermore, explaining your point makes your point better than going the route of all caps, smilies, and etc.

Master Moron

06-25-2006, 09:54 PM

I think that's the second or two in the opening credits where they flash a scene from an anime. Don't know what anime, though.

Nazca. A rather bad anime about a bunch of Japanese people who are possessed by Inca spirits(or was it Aztec?). Well, they weren't exactly possessed, they were more like reincarnated. But, the characters personalities seemed to completely change after they found out that they were reincarnations of Native Americans. I never made it through the whole series.

Actually, I think Moto Pete was thinking about that one time where they advertised Malcom in the Middle as part of Animation Domination by animated all the characters. However, the animated versions of the characters never actually appeared in an episode.

Moto Pete

06-26-2006, 10:03 AM

Are you sure you weren't drugged up at the time? It never had a cartoon look to it in any episode.

Actually, I think Moto Pete was thinking about that one time where they advertised Malcom in the Middle as part of Animation Domination by animated all the characters. However, the animated versions of the characters never actually appeared in an episode

They Did a opening where they were all anamated

RD!

06-26-2006, 11:42 AM

Dead_Ninja_000

07-02-2006, 12:27 AM

I loved the movie, but not such a big fan of the show.:sweat:

Scythemantis

07-03-2006, 03:59 AM

Pee-Wee Herman is hilarious, Paul Reubens is and always has been harmless, and the whole show fits on AS just fine. I can't wait to see more of it again (and yes, I've seen some of it as recently as this year. I'm not blinded by nostalgia...it's a completely enjoyable show)

Moto Pete

07-03-2006, 07:18 AM

Heres an interview form when the released the DVD Set really good

The Re-ran it on Friday

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5524558

JCorey3rd

07-03-2006, 11:18 AM

if AS gets launched as its own channel, there's no way they can keep it as a 24/7 channel just off of animation. So they are breaking the brand out so that "Adult Swim" is an attitude and not hammerlocked in animation when they pitch the channel to cable operators. They can run freak films (Gamera - AIP titles) - maybe pick up Mystery Science Theater 3000. They can run cult tv shows. It can kinda pick up the slack of when Trio was yanked off the air.

Then at night, they can run the 4 hours of AS animation action and the flip it.

Did you know that if you ran all the AS programming around the clock, it wouldn't last a week?

William C. Maune

07-03-2006, 12:20 PM

There is no way that Adult Swim is getting its own channel any time soon though.

JCorey3rd

07-03-2006, 01:08 PM

There is no way that Adult Swim is getting its own channel any time soon though.

right now AS pulls in the demos that Spike and G4 dream of reaching. I've been told there's drawing board action at spinning it off - especially with recent turf battles between CN and AS.

William C. Maune

07-03-2006, 01:32 PM

right now AS pulls in the demos that Spike and G4 dream of reaching. I've been told there's drawing board action at spinning it off - especially with recent turf battles between CN and AS.

1) As part of Cartoon Network, Adult Swim reaches 80+ million homes. Starting out as a new network Adult Swim would be lucky to reach 20+ million homes. Thus, the ratings would automatically be cut by 75% if not more.

2) Adult Swim does pull in those demos, but mainly after 11pm. Adult Swim has struggled to find as much ratings success in the 10pm hour when it has a lot more competition on the other networks. To survive as its own separate channel it would have to be able to draw ratings in slots other than the overnight hours of 11pm to 6am.

Aquadementia

07-03-2006, 06:00 PM

1) As part of Cartoon Network, Adult Swim reaches 80+ million homes. Starting out as a new network Adult Swim would be lucky to reach 20+ million homes. Thus, the ratings would automatically be cut by 75% if not more.
I hope they buy the family channel. Then it would be just as widely available and we can have Moral Orel and the 700 Club on the same station.

livingfruitvirus

07-03-2006, 06:22 PM

jbanks97

07-03-2006, 07:52 PM

What could AS show to sustain ratings all day?

Family Guy/Futurama/Aqua Teens/Robot Chicken/and occasionally Boondocks are really the only shows that pull in consistent ratings for AS. It's fine for programing a 3 hour nightly block of programing, but once you get to 24 hours a day there's no way they could survive. This is even if they showed eveything they still have the rights to.

Most likely what would happen is they would show the "anchor" shows 5-6 times a day, people would get sick of Futurama/Family Guy more so than they already are, baring some sort of consistent hit factory it would fold in 1 to 2 years tops

William C. Maune

07-03-2006, 08:02 PM

I hope they buy the family channel. Then it would be just as widely available and we can have Moral Orel and the 700 Club on the same station.

Won't likely happen though. Disney already overpaid an insane amount of money for the channel a few years back. I doubt they'll be selling it any time soon.

JCorey3rd

07-03-2006, 11:08 PM

Beat

07-04-2006, 01:56 PM

Spike can reach those demos for select programming like The Ultimate Fighter.

To show some numbers...

Ultimate Finale 3- 3.4 million.

AS Saturday- 300,000.

JCorey3rd

07-04-2006, 02:36 PM

To show some numbers...

Ultimate Finale 3- 3.4 million.

AS Saturday- 300,000.

That many people tune in to watch two guys beat each other to bloody pulps.

First off, you are comparing a finale of a show - which is a be here now moment to an average night on adult swim. Do you want to compare the Superbowl with last week's rerun of Lost?

Well not being a fan of anime, I can understand those ratings being in the dumper. But the amount of cash AS pays to run those shows is probably less than a 1/10 of what it costs for Spike to put on UFC, Blade and all those CSI reruns. But what sort of ratings does Spike pull in for all those World's Wildest Police Chases?

Beat

07-04-2006, 09:34 PM

There is no sport more noble than two men being forced into combat against each other in a test of strength and skill. How are reruns of Paranoia Agent supposed to compete with that?

Seriously though, yes, it was a finale. And yes, AS spends less. But you have to spend money to make money, as the old saying goes. 12 Oz. Mouse may be cheap, but it sure doesn't make enough to get UFC level profit. I suppose if Adult Swim took this "live action" thing to the next level, they could take a page from Sci-Fi airing ECW and air PRIDE FC.

Moto Pete

07-10-2006, 09:31 AM

WELL Tonights the Night

11pm est

Pee Wee's Playhouse

Are we going to have a Talkback for each episode or for the week Mon-Thur

i Vote for Weekly

If it's alright i'll Start one?????

Jin

07-10-2006, 11:54 AM

DUDE Stop posting

in big letters like this

It's really annoying

And it makes you look like a n00b

It's also hard to read

So please stop!!!!

veemonjosh

07-10-2006, 12:02 PM

Moto Pete scared the crap out of me just then.

Moto Pete

07-10-2006, 12:44 PM

veemonjosh

07-10-2006, 02:33 PM

Still, those big letters Moto Pete typed brought up a good point. What ARE we going to do about a talkback for this show? I was going to make one, but I see Landstander does them all.

SirLemming

07-10-2006, 02:48 PM

I saw him on Letterman back when he was promoting the Pee-Wee DVDs. It seemed like a pretty respectable interview.

Beat

07-10-2006, 02:50 PM

Sorry i am Reformed

Paul Reubens, aka Pee-wee Herman

on Late Night With David Letterman tomorrow night (Tuesday, July 11, 11:35 p.m.)
In public to promote the new rerunning of that great pop-art-work Pee-wee's Playhouse on Cartoon Network's Adult Swim, the reclusive, battered genius emerges, and here's hoping Dave doesn't just play it for laughs, and gives the great man his due

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

I'm sorry, but whenever Reubens tries to act holier than thou, I cannot help but laugh. I'll also be laughing when Pee Wee fails to attract anyone.

The Landstander

07-10-2006, 03:40 PM

We'll be doing a weekly talkback thing. And what the hell, Moto Pete can do the first one since I'm not gonna be here for it anyway.

Also how was Reubens acting holier? I don't think he wrote that, and the interview hasn't aired yet.

veemonjosh

07-10-2006, 03:42 PM

We'll be doing a weekly talkback thing. And what the hell, Moto Pete can do the first one since I'm not gonna be here for it anyway.

If he doesn't get back in time, can I do it?

Master Moron

07-10-2006, 04:29 PM

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

I'm sorry, but whenever Reubens tries to act holier than thou, I cannot help but laugh. I'll also be laughing when Pee Wee fails to attract anyone.

Well, it's between Futurama and Family Guy, so it will likely garner at least over 500,000 viewers. I really don't know what to expect of the ratings though. I mean, Saved By the Bell did okay numbers, but Pee Wee's Playhouse is even younger skewed than that. I'll watch a few episodes to see if this show really has adult appeal like so many in this thread have said, but honestly the commercials look pretty stupid to me. I used to watch this show when I was a little kid, but I'm really not looking forward to seeing it again.

Beat

07-10-2006, 04:37 PM

Also how was Reubens acting holier? I don't think he wrote that, and the interview hasn't aired yet.

Well, I hope he didn't write that. Reubens is not a great man. He's a physical comedian with the inability to act civilized in public, and more importantly, he SERVERELY overestimates the importance and quality of his abomination. In an interview with Newsday yesterday, Reubens was quoted as saying "I want Pee Wee on in the morning where everyone can see it and learn." :lol:

jbanks97

07-10-2006, 05:23 PM

Jin

07-10-2006, 05:35 PM

Pee-Wee will attract everyone but the Tomunists and 12 Oz. Mousians who think Flash cartoons with no plot are better than everything else.

jbanks97

07-10-2006, 09:48 PM

Ugh does anyone really think that??
Seriously???
Do they live on this planet??

William C. Maune

07-10-2006, 10:00 PM

Well, I hope he didn't write that. Reubens is not a great man. He's a physical comedian with the inability to act civilized in public, and more importantly, he SERVERELY overestimates the importance and quality of his abomination. In an interview with Newsday yesterday, Reubens was quoted as saying "I want Pee Wee on in the morning where everyone can see it and learn." :lol:

What do you have against him? Yeah, he screwed up 15 years ago. In an adult theater, it wasn't like he was out in the open when it happened. He paid his dues and plenty of time has passed. So his show is on Adult Swim, that was AS' choice, not his.