Schedule Update for 6/3 (E7 fans, you may want to sit down for this)

[livingfruitvirus]

11 - Inu
11.5 - FMA
12 - GitS
12.5 Champloo
1 - Bebop
1.5 - Eureka Seven

And of course

5 - Chuck Norris
5.5 - Mr. T

[William C. Maune]

The ratings must be pretty bad overall. Paranoia Agent may have lasted longer before getting pushed back in the line-up. I'm just glad that E7 is still on as opposed to being booted off completely.

[Rocketboy]

And these are the people who have Bleach.

Seriously, I was expecting this to come out from at least one anime. It's too bad it had to be E7.

[livingfruitvirus]

The ratings must be pretty bad overall. Paranoia Agent may have lasted longer before getting pushed back in the line-up. I'm just glad that E7 is still on as opposed to being booted off completely.

Well it came in 3rd last week. It doesn't look like it's bombing horribly though. There have been worse situations.

As for Paranoia Agent, Kim Manning admitted upfront that they knew it wasn't going to do good, but because it was only 13 episodes, and because they liked it so much, they chose to put it on the air anyway.

[William C. Maune]

Well it came in 3rd last week. It doesn't look like it's bombing horribly though. There have been worse situations.

Any theories on why it is being bumped to the back of the line-up then?

Edit: As for PA, that's pretty cool that they went ahead and gave it a chance then.

[Discloner]

Huh...

That's pretty perplexing...I mean, considering E7's been holding it's ground with all the other ASA Vets (it's been in the top 3, doing badly with all the rest of those shows), why move it any it alone? Especially when the shows around it aren't even new...

[Pepperidge]

Maybe they don't like Eureka seveN? :(

[One Radical Dude]

Actually, Cartoon Network's site has E7 pushed back on the weekend of June 3-4, even though the [as] page has something different. Either way, it does not look good for E7.

[William C. Maune]

Maybe they don't like Eureka seveN? :(

Then they wouldn't be airing it in the first place.

[Zyzzybalubah]

I admit I haven't been able to tune into Eureka 7 since the first episode (didn't care for it) but even I feel it's unfair to those fans who did tune in to move it to the latest spot of the night. I mean it would appear in the top 3 every now and then and it isn't like the rest of the block is doing that much better. My guess for this reason must be that they don't particularly care for the show at Williams Street.

[livingfruitvirus]

Actually, Cartoon Network's site has E7 pushed back on the weekend of June 3-4, even though the [as] page has something different. Either way, it does not look good for E7.

Well dang. You're right. That makes things MUCH better. Someone change the thread title to 5/3 plz.

[Nobuyuki sama]

Someone change the thread title to 5/3 plz.
And then change it to 6/3. ;)

[One Radical Dude]

Well dang. You're right. That makes things MUCH better. Someone change the thread title to 5/3 plz.

You mean -- 6/3. I hope it's 6/3 :eek: -- May has not been a kind month to me. :sad:

[livingfruitvirus]

I don't have enough photos of car crashes for that awful blunder.

[Sketch]

HOLY...

And people wonder why I didn't want Bleach to go to Adult Swim.

[MeggieMay]

Kind of how my May is going as well ;)

Personally, this line up isn't any better than what they've been currently airing and it's possibly worse (I'll be interested in seeing if the ratings for what is pretty much a 95% repeat lineup is really going to do vs the current ratings). That said, there've been weeks of late where the ratings for the second repeats have been pulling in the best ratings - so kicking E7 back towards the end of the block may end up giving the show better ratings than "logical programming" would usually dictate (probably because "logic" isn't exactly in force on Saturdays IMO :sweat: ).

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Dammit, now I have to turn the tv off and then turn it back on again later to catch E7. This move doesn't even make sense, its ratings aren't worse then the other shows.

WS seems to be intent on destroying the block they've worked so hard to make a success. I almost wish someone else would take over Adult Swim.

HOLY...

And people wonder why I didn't want Bleach to go to Adult Swim.

Exactly. Bleach is the next DBZ, but with an AS airing its doomed to be mismanaged and fail. Hopefully Viz intervenes and gets it Yu Yu Hakusho'd. (The move to Toonami part, not the graveyard spot part).

[Sketch]

Come now... Naruto is the next DBZ. Bleach is the next Yu Yu Hakusho. Only it's bound to be more successful in the long run because it has action more like DBZ. But if you meant "crazy action wise" then yeah... Bleach is probably closer to DBZ than Naruto.

[MODnote: Bleach is the new Yu Yu Hakusho? Does that mean it'll be airing at 6:30 AM on Fridays because nobody will watch it?]

[Sketch]

Hmm... it seems no one on the AS official boards gives a hoot. They're making comments along the lines of "I'll be up anyway". Okay... I seem to recall at least a bit more of a backlash when PA and s-CRY-ed were shafted for premieres.

But dang man 1:30 for premieres for over 26 episodes? We've got a new Case Closed. :sad:

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Come now... Naruto is the next DBZ. Bleach is the next Yu Yu Hakusho. Only it's bound to be more successful in the long run because it has action more like DBZ. But if you meant "crazy action wise" then yeah... Bleach is probably closer to DBZ than Naruto.

Yes, Bleach is the next DBZ.

Naruto is more like the next Yu Yu Hakusho/Kenshin. In terms of popularity, its megapopular, but completely different setup.

Bleach is mega action show where the characters have absolutely no long term goals and thus new threats can constantly be introduced.

Hence why its the next DBZ and should air on Toonami, where it would probably get megaratings.

AS at this point is a joke.

There need to be some serious overturns in job positions at WS, who seem more intent on making inside jokes then running a succesful network.

[Railith]

It's aggervating that no one is watching one of my favorite shows ever.

[Maenos]

Hmm... it seems no one on the AS official boards gives a hoot. They're making comments along the lines of "I'll be up anyway". Okay... I seem to recall at least a bit more of a backlash when PA and s-CRY-ed were shafted for premieres.

Well, I'm not that upset at the moment because I can't figure out where this came from.

Was it aired on a bump card? I wasn't paying much attention to the commercials, so it's possible I missed it.

Also, wait a bit, the boards have been kinda dead at night, heh.

[MegaJ]

::looks at schedule::

WHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?

That makes no sense...I thought it was doing well (for AS Saturdays, anyway) and it's a new show, I wouldn't think it would buried to the dead of night...

[The Myst]

Makes me happy. I don't like E7.

[livingfruitvirus]

I hope that by the end of this year, AS just decides to stop kidding themselves and not acquire anymore anime series. Someone else can take the reigns, or just let Toonami do it. AS can just load up Saturdays 11-1 with their comedy series. They'll be fine.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

I hope that by the end of this year, AS just decides to stop kidding themselves and not acquire anymore anime series. Someone else can take the reigns, or just let Toonami do it. AS can just load up Saturdays 11-1 with their comedy series. They'll be fine.

I'd rather Toonami get those hours(if AS expans to 10 on weeknights they'd just need two more hours to reach 42, which they could get somewhere).

The people AS is targetting are out on Saturday anyways. Toonami could use the time much better.

[livingfruitvirus]

I'd rather Toonami get those hours(if AS expans to 10 on weeknights they'd just need two more hours to reach 42, which they could get somewhere).

Toonami really could just go to 2, and they'd have enough programming time. They'd probably fill half the extra slots with encores anyway.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Toonami really could just go to 2, and they'd have enough programming time. They'd probably fill half the extra slots with encores anyway.

True. Although would AS really put anything worth watching between 2-6?

Toonami might at least put Megas, SJ, and JLU on then.

[Sketch]

Which unfortunately wouldn't get very good ratings even compared to AS' current stash. But maybe they could at least air some of those fan favorites with the extra time. They'd probably air a lot more movies as well.

E7 would bite it probably but Bleach might move to Toonami, heck even Inuyasha might if AS forsakes action entirely.

[MeggieMay]

Which unfortunately wouldn't get very good ratings even compared to AS' current stash. But maybe they could at least air some of those fan favorites with the extra time. They'd probably air a lot more movies as well.

E7 would bite it probably but Bleach might move to Toonami, heck even Inuyasha might if AS forsakes action entirely.
Ok, so those who are talking about Toonami are forgetting Wulin Warriors I take it? Why on Earth does anyone think Toonami taking over Saturdays would lead to anything but more of what Toonami is airing now? It's all speculation, anyway.

As to the ASMB reaction of "who cares about E7 moving" - I'm not surprised by that. Those who like E7 will follow the show and the rest (and they're not a small group over there, IMO) just don't care what happens to E7. Then there are the people who feel the AS schedule bot is broke (yet again :sweat: ) and the move isn't going to happen.

Either way, E7's ratings may not even take a dent by pushing it back so late, as I pointed out before. The later slots often take the top ratings. As well, schools out for summer most places so staying up later just isn't a big deal for a lot of the prime demographic group that Adult Swim is chasing.

PS:BTW, talking about speculation - Bleach may not even air on Saturdays. Yes, the current rumor is that's the plan but by the time we get to August we may see Bleach taking over IY's mid week slot with IY moving to Saturday repeats (and Toonami isn't getting Bleach no matter how many four leaf clovers you sacrifice, Sketch ;) ).

[Ryan227]

Wow I was kind of sad to see this. I thought they should have put Eureka Seven on at 11 or 11:30 first to try and get some of the IGPX audience or something, InuYasha does well but it's not like an amazing lead in or anything... they could have at least tried it expecially if they were just going to change it so soon. Hmmm maybe they notice that they get some more viewers from 1 to 2 and think that it could find some viewers there... heh or maybe they just want to put it there to die.

Anyway I still don't want Adult Swim to stop getting anime shows, now matter how many times they change the schedule, or how late they put on a show, staying up to watch it or taping it is still cheaper then buying the DVDs :p

[anime_guru]

doesn't this lineup wreak of OMG-let's appeal to the teenage demographic? I mean I enjoyed the power hour of Eureka 7 and GiTS personally as Eureka 7 is going to get very good later on in the series...
This lineup is unfortunate fan service for the teens...shame too...Eureka 7 is a good series...
as for bleach, expect it to be in the 11-11.5 PM timeslot...

[Scirel]

WTH?

So the only premiere of the night is going to be at 1:30? (GITS is ending tomorrow)

Wow, that makes sense...:mad:

[Speedy Boris]

Fantastic. I never stay up that late, and I don't feel like taping it every single week. Well, I guess I better start buying the DVDs then (though I was going to anyway eventually).

[Assembler]

(reads topic title) *Sits down* (read first post) *stands up*
WHAT?! E7 in 1.5am slot already? why do they have to make it so difficult to watch anime now a days? I'm running out of room to put tapes.

[Beat]

AS at this point is a joke.

There need to be some serious overturns in job positions at WS, who seem more intent on making inside jokes then running a succesful network.

Well, you're right.

Eureka 7's failure irks me. Why? It proves that Adult Swim is more concerned with comedy publicity than long term action success.
SAVED BY THE BELL! WATCH IT! WATCH IT! WE'RE HARDCORE AIRING LIVE ACTION ON A CARTOON CHANNEL!

This also dooms mecha airing on Cartoon Network in general, sadly.

Why did they fail? The three I's which causes Williams Street to isolate a potential action audience- Isolate, ignore, and insult.

Isolate- Move all action premires to the least watched night of the week. Don't let them promote on any other part of the block.

Ignore- Promos? What promos? We've got Tom Goes to the Mayor reruns to pimp out!

Insult- Started around the time Inu-Yasha got mega-ratings, everything from mocking the characters to telling the fans they were dumb for not watching comedy. Ensured there would never be another IY style success for Adult Swim.

At this point, Adult Swim is hated by a good majority of the anime community, and even those who support WS through thick and thin see huge problems with their approach. I must concur, that the Toonami people would do a better job. They could hype it as Toonami after-hours or something.

[herbkir]

The only way this move could make sense is if AS believes this is when the young-adult audience starts coming home from Saturday partying, so there'll be someone out there to watch the premieres.

Otherwise, it wouldn't make sense for AS to be writing off E-7 this soon. It'll be the only action show with premieres all summer, so it should get the best timeslot. Sure, it's a slow build, but I don't see E-7 being in the same league as the Wulin Warriors ratings disaster on Toonami. (^_*)

[Creme]

Get lame mecha. Pay the piper.

[Beat]

Get lame mecha. Pay the piper.

Well, there are good mecha available to the US market, it's just that Adult Swim didn't get one.

Eureka 7 is too slow for once a week airings.

[Wounded_Dragon]

Either way, E7's ratings may not even take a dent by pushing it back so late, as I pointed out before. The later slots often take the top ratings. As well, schools out for summer most places so staying up later just isn't a big deal for a lot of the prime demographic group that Adult Swim is chasing.


Later slots taking the top ratings is being overly generous. Those instances are often flukes or the numbers being so uniformly low that it was random chance the later slots won.

And the "out for the summer" part actually seems to hurt Sat. AS more than it helps. The biggest dips and emergency re-arrangements always seem to come around summer time.

[Go-chin]

Good thing the real E7 fans who had a chance of caring about the news are already buying the vastly superior DVDs.

[livingfruitvirus]

True. Although would AS really put anything worth watching between 2-6?

Toonami might at least put Megas, SJ, and JLU on then.

Good luck with that. I don't think Cartoon Network is going to do anymore cancelled show blocks like they did with Friday nights. Not with the current Stalinistic attitude of the network. But at least there's Toonami Jetstream and DVDs for that.

[Spastic Minnow]

I figured if they were going to do a schedule change they'd do what they did before and premeire it in a weekday slot, like they do for Inuyasha now and did for Champloo earlier.

I do miss the days when they'd get a new series and play it 4 days a week all the way through completion.

[Rabi~en~Rose]

I didn't watch E7 so this only bothers me on a "what are they thinking?" level :confused: give it a weeknight strip at 12:30 and be done with it guys :yawn: the good news here is GitS is getting bumped up a slot :)

[Timmay]

I didn't watch E7 so this only bothers me on a "what are they thinking?" level :confused: give it a weeknight strip at 12:30 and be done with it guys :yawn: the good news here is GitS is getting bumped up a slot :)
GITS ends tomorrow night though.

Here's to hoping it gets moved back after a few weeks..

[Mugen]

Well that sucks for E7 fans. I thought(with the exception of one week) that E7 ratings were alright enough to keep it in its timeslot. It got above 300,000 18-34 year old viewers, which I thought was enough to stay at midnight.

Saturdays ailings seemed to have started when they took off Futurama at 11:00 p.m. last year. I wish they would put that back as it seems it's the only show that helped Saturdays ratings.

Personally, I hope they don't get rid of anime. I think AS needs to pick and choose what they air and not go after shows that move really slow.


I hope that by the end of this year, AS just decides to stop kidding themselves and not acquire anymore anime series. Someone else can take the reigns, or just let Toonami do it. AS can just load up Saturdays 11-1 with their comedy series. They'll be fine.

Well, if that were to happen(and I hope it doesn't) I think one anime show will still be around: Cowboy Bebop. The show has been here since the beginning and it looks like it won't be going away anytime soon.

[herbkir]

If AS ever did decide to get rid of all the anime, they'll get a nasty surprise when ratings plunge for everything other than Family Guy. I think a lot of anime fans drifted into watching AS comedy as well as the anime. I'm one. On nights when there's no anime of interest, I often don't watch AS. Instead, I'll watch something from my anime collection. But if there is something good in anime, then I'll watch comedy, too.

As to E-7, I'd agree that AS needs to shift it to a weeknight, like Thursdays, instead of the 1.5 slot on Saturdays. (^_*)

[Youko Recca]

LOL. Well, not surprising given how freakin' slow Eureka Seven is in the beggining.

I wonder how things would have gone if that original plan of having ASA on thursday and Toonami on saturday was in effect.

[lunapark]

well, I just had to let my "this just doesn't make sense!?!" head explosion wander onto this forum from the 2 threads on the ASMB (man, it's weird to be a "newbie" again and go from lurker to poster :p ).

Anyway, the ratings, in general, have been lower this year on Saturdays than they were last year. But that's been across the board, not just E7. The ratings since E7 premiered have had it in the Top 3 three times so far. Granted, it's always around 300-350K, but as I said before, lately, anything over 300K has been "not bad". It's the only premier left on the block after this weekend - banishing it at this point just makes less than zero sense to me, so all rational thought tells me that this has got to be a mistake.

However, we all know how notorious [as] is for being irrational...

[NickWhiz1]

Eureka 7 at 1:30? Ewww.

Oh well, that's what they invented Adult Swim Fix for :D

[Wounded_Dragon]

Aww, Nick beat me to it. I think "the Fix" is gonna slowly start getting more and more viewers...

[Mugen]

I wonder how things would have gone if that original plan of having ASA on thursday and Toonami on saturday was in effect.

Probably would have benefitted both parties. And if AS needed another night, they probably could have taken late Friday slots.

[James Bester]

Probably would have benefitted both parties. And if AS needed another night, they probably could have taken late Friday slots. That's true. AS should actually have Friday at this point. Fridays ends at 10, and CN fills in the leftover space of the night with pointless reruns. I say give all of Saturday to Toonami and move ASA to Friday since CN is doing nothing useful with the time it haves.

[Carlos]

That's true. AS should actually have Friday at this point. Fridays ends at 10, and CN fills in the leftover space of the night with pointless reruns. I say give all of Saturday to Toonami and move ASA to Friday since CN is doing nothing useful with the time it haves.

While I was thinking about giving Toonami the Sunday slot from 7-10, this would probably work too.


I think action in general won't get the ratings like it's comedy brethern until AS develops its own action animated show. Once that starts and if it's successful, then I can see anime getting more increased ratings.


And of course

5 - Chuck Norris
5.5 - Mr. T


As much as I enjoy seeing these terrible cartoons, I wish AS would put some classics such as the Popeye Show or Toon Heads on there.

[Daikun]

That's not what the June 3 schedule says, LFV. ;)

12.5 Korgoth

Fixed.

[Katsumara]

I sort of half expected this. "Omg, liek its a slow anime so lets drop it! who cares anyway, right?" The day I understand how Inuyasha thrived on this network is the day I understand all meaning of life. Everyone now is talking about how Bleach is the next DBZ? Lies. Naruto over on Toonami is the next DBZ. Bleach is more like DBGT. >.> Being the two are different. E7 is a different anime that deals with mecha. At least it isn't the lame "Let's repeat the same story and such" that Gundam does. -.- Bah. It just surprises me how many bumps Saved By the Bell, Robot Chicken and all that stuff received compared to the bumpers for animes.

[v1cious]

they gave it no kind of promotion at all, and they cut the intros... gee! i wonder why it failed?

they did this **** to Samurai Champloo also. Williams Street has officially lost any respect they had from me. pretty stupid plan considering next week is when the slow period ends, and the series takes off.

[Katsumara]

People will continue to say this and I will agree with them. People don't have patience when it comes to TV. They want action and want it now, whether it takes a slow episode of talking/plot progression that GitS has, or something funny in between. They've heard.. "The series gets better, the series gets better" but to them it hasn't. Nothing fans can do, nothing the anime itself can do. I honestly hated a lot of the beginning of FMA, but it ended well. Oh well, for those who still care to view it/watch it on as fix, they can see for themselves. Off to watching EoEvangelion again.

[William C. Maune]

[LEFT]they gave it no kind of promotion at all, and they cut the intros... gee! i wonder why it failed?

It probably got more promos than the average action show. Yeah, the intro was shortened, but I highly doubt that killed the series.

they did this **** to Samurai Champloo also. Williams Street has officially any respect they had from me. pretty stupid plan considering next week is when the slow period, ends and the series takes off.

All they did to Samurai Champloo was move it to a different night. All networks do that.

[Mugen]

That's not what the June 3 schedule says, LFV. ;)



Fixed.


What? Really?

[Duke]

The day I understand how Inuyasha thrived on this network is the day I understand all meaning of life.
Well, InuYasha arrived at the right time. ASA was getting bigger, and IY was their first new series since the block's premiere, and thus everybody was fired up.
I honestly hated a lot of the beginning of FMA, but it ended well.
FMA had shock value to hook the viewer in (honestly, how many people DIDN'T go "WTF!?" when they first saw the opening prologue?), and that did help.

[SpaceCowboy]

I've given up all support for the slobs at Willy Street and after Ghost in the Shell ends tomorrow, I'm done watching the block. I've probably seen all of Family Guy and Futurama by now. All the other comedy shows that have been made since 2004 suck. It's going to be just like the G4 channel that took Tech TV away, off my watchlist and forgotten.

[Master Moron]

People will continue to say this and I will agree with them. People don't have patience when it comes to TV. They want action and want it now, whether it takes a slow episode of talking/plot progression that GitS has, or something funny in between. They've heard.. "The series gets better, the series gets better" but to them it hasn't. Nothing fans can do, nothing the anime itself can do. I honestly hated a lot of the beginning of FMA, but it ended well. Oh well, for those who still care to view it/watch it on as fix, they can see for themselves. Off to watching EoEvangelion again.

There are hundreds of shows to choose from in a standard cable package. A person can't watch every show out there. Why should someone stick with a show that's dull as dirt for 7 episodes when there's plenty of shows that are riveting and exciting beginning with episode 1? And how is anybody who doesn't visit Toonzone supposed to know that Eureka 7 gets better? They see several episodes, it sucks, and they assume the rest of the series sucked. I so often hear anime fans complain that American viewers have no patience, but do you really give every single show on TV more than 7 episodes to prove itself? Hell, it might not even be the fact that the first 7 episodes are dull that drove the viewers away. Maybe the viewers were never there in the first place because the concept of a show about surfing robots never interested them. Of course, that may partly be because the promos sucked.

[Pepperidge]

Still, the fact remains that Eureka seveN hasn't done particularily terrible. Low as the ratings might be, they're pretty stable and certainly not low enough to warrant putting it after Bebop.

[brianycpht]

Anyone remember the days when comedy was one hour and action was two?

Remember when the action shows had it's own set of cards?

It seemed, in the beginning, the block was more uniform in appearance and was united. We had anime on Sundays. We had new shows airing 4 nights a week (why don't they do this anymore, a show like E7, who many have said has a "slow start" would pick up within a week as opposed to two months?). When Saturdays became the "Anime night", all these things dissapeared. The cards were replaced with these graphic bumps, which gives it a sort of an abandoned, generic feel. "Action" became sperate from "Comedy". All the new shows were premered once a week at a snails pace.Anime would never air on Sundays again and ratings have suffered.

Worst of all, I feel as though that AS has just accepted that shows with mainstream appeal like Fmaily Guy, Futurama, and Robot Chicken are where the moneys at. So they've all but given up on anime.

Really they could do a number of things:

1) They could try putting an anime on Sundays (probably hell will freeze over first) or at least promote equally. We don't have to see the same preview for this weeks Family Guy every commercial break. Mix it up a little. If you have the viewers watching, promote all your shows. Make them all seem cool and that they can't be missed. Why do you hardly see action or anime promos? There's this terrible (and very wrong) "geek" status that many anime shows and their fans have. Kind of like the comedy shows are the "cool" kids who are friends with the "geeks'', but won't admit it to their friends( the viewers) which is ridiculous and brings me to my next point.

2) Stop the Comedy/Action seperation. The look of the block should be uniform under the direction of both teams. It's like theres a line in the sand or something right now.

3) Don't ever expect Saturdays to be a premere night. Move all the premeres to weeknights and either give Saturdays to Toonami, or use it as an encore night where all the premeres from the previous week are shown (comedy and action) along with shows not currently airing during the week.

Just some thoughts, anything else you guys could think of would be cool too...

[Steiner]

Actually, I'm looking at June 3rd's schedule right now on adultswim.com, and it's a little different. Now it is:

11 - Inuyasha
11:30 - FMA
12 - GITS
12:30 - Korgoth
1 - Champloo
1:30 - Eureka 7

[livingfruitvirus]

Anyone remember the days when comedy was one hour and action was two?

Remember when the action shows had it's own set of cards?

I do, and I remember no one liking the fact that action had its own cards. Everyone wanted them gone so they could bring back openings.

Really they could do a number of things:

1) They could try putting an anime on Sundays (probably hell will freeze over first) or at least promote equally. We don't have to see the same preview for this weeks Family Guy every commercial break. Mix it up a little. If you have the viewers watching, promote all your shows. Make them all seem cool and that they can't be missed. Why do you hardly see action or anime promos? There's this terrible (and very wrong) "geek" status that many anime shows and their fans have. Kind of like the comedy shows are the "cool" kids who are friends with the "geeks'', but won't admit it to their friends( the viewers) which is ridiculous and brings me to my next point.

They'll never promote equally. Parents will push for their children's success more than someone else's children. The fact that not much money is invested in their anime programming (sans Big O) will automatically make them care less for it, since it only needs so many viewers to break even.

3) Don't ever expect Saturdays to be a premere night. Move all the premeres to weeknights and either give Saturdays to Toonami, or use it as an encore night where all the premeres from the previous week are shown (comedy and action) along with shows not currently airing during the week.

I wouldn't mind Saturday being action encore night.

Actually, I'm looking at June 3rd's schedule right now on adultswim.com, and it's a little different. Now it is:

11 - Inuyasha
11:30 - FMA
12 - GITS
12:30 - Korgoth
1 - Champloo
1:30 - Eureka 7
Korgoth is premiering just on that night. Every week afterwards is the schedule I posted.

[Creme]

And thus, the Saturday Midnight Run returns to repalce Adult swim :evil:

[One Radical Dude]

The Action premieres need to be on a Thursday night, or at some time frame where less of the target audience isn't partying, getting boozed up, or out during the weekend nights.

[Mugen]

Korgoth is premiering just on that night. Every week afterwards is the schedule I posted.

Huh, so I guess the pilot is ready. I remember AS saying that it would premiere in September.

[Carlos]

Korgoth is premiering just on that night. Every week afterwards is the schedule I posted.

Is this a stealth premiere?

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Is this a stealth premiere?

The fact that it was advertized on AS means it not a stealth premiere.

[beren]

I think Eureka 7's first 3 episodes are great, they are one of my favorite openings of a series I have ever seen, although obviously I am totally alone on that. AS can goto hell, I don't watch the block anyway, I watch shows on the blockn then I go do something interesting. If I were going to give AS any advice it would be to stop throwing seeds at the ground leaving then coming back after months to see what survived, instead till the ground, provide irrigation, and fertilize. Instead of buying shows putting them on the air then giving up on them when they don't get good ratings, try growing the audience for these shows, it will be slow, it will cost money, but there will be much more success because when you get the next show ready to air, there will already be an audience ready to watch. AS is not commited to long term success, just success in the immediate short term, which is why they do what they do, and why the network is going downhill fast.

[Katsumara]

I actually know quite a few people who give a series about 10 episodes to "prove itself" especially when the series is 50 episodes or longer. Would you give Naruto or something 7 episodes to prove itself thens top watching? If so.. well, considering how long it is.. you'd obviously miss out on a lot. Then again, with it in filler mode.. -coughs- yeah.. anyone with brains would stop watching. :P Same with Bleach. Bleach however was interesting the first seven episodes.. unlike Naruto (to me at least.) Full Metal Panic was just interesting to begin with, I guess due to the fact that it was 13 episodes. The fact remains, there is a lot of impatience in the american public these days. If it isn't jaw dropping, action packed, storyline filled from the first few episodes, the show is deemed a failure and ignored the rest of the season. I state my opinion only, nothing else. ^^ and I swear to god.. if a certain Gundam series does make it's way over.. >.> I'll scream bloody murder. *coughsnoztoShinncoughs*

[Master Moron]

I actually know quite a few people who give a series about 10 episodes to "prove itself" especially when the series is 50 episodes or longer. Would you give Naruto or something 7 episodes to prove itself thens top watching? If so.. well, considering how long it is.. you'd obviously miss out on a lot. Then again, with it in filler mode.. -coughs- yeah.. anyone with brains would stop watching. :P Same with Bleach. Bleach however was interesting the first seven episodes.. unlike Naruto (to me at least.) Full Metal Panic was just interesting to begin with, I guess due to the fact that it was 13 episodes. The fact remains, there is a lot of impatience in the american public these days. If it isn't jaw dropping, action packed, storyline filled from the first few episodes, the show is deemed a failure and ignored the rest of the season. I state my opinion only, nothing else. ^^ and I swear to god.. if a certain Gundam series does make it's way over.. >.> I'll scream bloody murder. *coughsnoztoShinncoughs*

Okay, let me ask you this. How many episodes of the OC did you watch before giving up on it? Of course, I'm assuming you don't watch the OC because hardly anyone on these boards watches the OC.

[li_mangaman]

I was just on Limewire wathcing all incoming searches and 'eureka 7' showed up. So just how unpopular is it?

I just got another 3, I'm going to have to start hosting now.

[Lord Mawdryn]

Sometimes I wonder why does Adult Swim even bother with anime on Saturdays anymore? It constantly underperforms the Sunday comedies because the audience who would be inclined to watch it have either (A) already have it or seen it somewhere else, (B) have a personal biasis against anything dubbed and won't watch it anyway, or (C) simply have better things to do on Saturday nights.

Adult Swim should just put anime fans out of their misery and make Saturday nights the home of Mr.T, Gary Coleman, and Chuck Norris and any other Hannah Barbera show that nobody watched in the '80s--or perhaps just a six-hour block of Saved By The Bell and Mama's Family.

Personally, I like Eureka 7 a lot. Pushing it back to 1:30 AM is totally lame, unless Adult Swim plans to start airing it unedited. In any event, I'll follow it there--I just hope that Adult Swim will at least show the complete series before pulling the plug and replacing it with the umpteenth airing of Trigun...

[jlaking]

I guess that [adult swim] must be trying to crush the repeat Samurai 7 on IFC.

[Timmay]

I was just on Limewire wathcing all incoming searches and 'eureka 7' showed up. So just how unpopular is it?

I just got another 3, I'm going to have to start hosting now.
Not unpopular at all, E7 has a very large existing fanbase right now. Unfortunately they're the japanophile otaku who won't listen to English Voice Actors because they're missing a part of their brain (scientists suspect)

[RomanMack]

Well... Can't say this was a surprise. I always had a feeling that E7 wasn't going to preform good.

Pff... Adult Swim is starting to mock it now in their promo's.. Stating it as "Anime banished to the end of the block".

[li_mangaman]

I don't want to have to sit through more Bebob to watch E7. Can't they find something else so they don't completely kill me?

[Dim Reaper]

I wonder if Bebop will get taken completely off AS anytime this century. Seriously, its been shown through at least dozen times or more, and I wish they'd give it a break and air something new.

[LordByronius]

I think this is the one and perhaps only time I can seriously, honestly agree that Adult Swim just flat-out hates a show.

It's ratings were bad, but so are anime's in general. There was no need to bump it later in order to "make room" for anything. Repeats of Champloo, GITS, and Bebop have nothing to gain by being on a half-hour earlier.

Why did they pick this show up again? Did Bandai pay them money?

[Neo-Era]

Just another sign for me that mecha anime is on the outs. If shows as modern and mainstream as Gundam SEED and Eureka Seven can't hit it off with American audiences, I'm having trouble thinking of any others that would.

[li_mangaman]

Just another sign for me that mecha anime is on the outs. If shows as modern and mainstream as Gundam SEED and Eureka Seven can't hit it off with American audiences, I'm having trouble thinking of any others that would.

Well I'll agree with you that Mecha on [as] is doomed, but if they did it right on regular CN / Toonami then it might've done well.

[Timmay]

I wonder if Bebop will get taken completely off AS anytime this century. Seriously, its been shown through at least dozen times or more, and I wish they'd give it a break and air something new.
A dozen? at this point we're probably in the hundreds.

[Beat]

Just another sign for me that mecha anime is on the outs. If shows as modern and mainstream as Gundam SEED and Eureka Seven can't hit it off with American audiences, I'm having trouble thinking of any others that would.

Eureka 7 is not a good example of mecha. Unfortunately, it seems to now represent the entire genre.

[li_mangaman]

Eureka 7 is not a good example of mecha. Unfortunately, it seems to now represent the entire genre.

We still have Transformers. Maybe Zoids Genesis will do well on Jetstream (although toys are most likely to not come out here.) Perhaps with the mecha awareness raised we'll get more Gundam and a decent Eureka 7 timeslot.

Or maybe I'm just fantasizing, which wouldn't be suprising.

[EroSennin]

I wonder if they moved this to go up against Samurai 7 which airs the same time on IFC

[livingfruitvirus]

I wonder if they moved this to go up against Samurai 7 which airs the same time on IFC

Why would they move it because of a small fish channel like IFC? It's about as threatening as G4.

[Sketch]

Because Samurai 7 is better than all of G4 combined.

That being said... they wouldn't move it for that.

There is no logical reason for this change besides them not being happy with the ratings but all the ratings are bad. Even so, a show hasn't tanked so bad since WR on Adult Swim action so I can understand the desire to put it in a less useful slot but why not try it on one of the weekday slots instead?

Infact, here's an idea. If they have more than 26 (I don't know if they do or how far Bandai is into dubbing) just premiere the whole show on Monday - Thursday at 1AM and get it over with. It's bound to do better than EVA reruns at that time.

[li_mangaman]

Infact, here's an idea. If they have more than 26 (I don't know if they do or how far Bandai is into dubbing) just premiere the whole show on Monday - Thursday at 1AM and get it over with. It's bound to do better than EVA reruns at that time.

No, that's a terrible idea. Some of us sleep.

[NahMan85]

If they have more than 26 (I don't know if they do or how far Bandai is into dubbing) just premiere the whole show on Monday - Thursday at 1AM and get it over with. It's bound to do better than EVA reruns at that time.I agree, it would fit since EVA is already there just to fill in the spot anyway. Or if you wanted to get crazy maybe premiere it on Monday nights at 12:30, in FMA's spot or wednesday nights for that matter. I mean the only real show right now that is worth watching on AS at that time during the week is Inuyasha.

[Master Moron]

Because Samurai 7 is better than all of G4 combined.

That being said... they wouldn't move it for that.

There is no logical reason for this change besides them not being happy with the ratings but all the ratings are bad. Even so, a show hasn't tanked so bad since WR on Adult Swim action so I can understand the desire to put it in a less useful slot but why not try it on one of the weekday slots instead?

Infact, here's an idea. If they have more than 26 (I don't know if they do or how far Bandai is into dubbing) just premiere the whole show on Monday - Thursday at 1AM and get it over with. It's bound to do better than EVA reruns at that time.

I'm actually thinking it might be better to split the episodes up. I mean, if the series truly gets better later on, then maybe they could stop at episode 13 or so and then wait a while to essentially relaunch the series with the rest of the episodes. If they advertise the next set of eps well enough it might get people to forget the bad taste the first several episodes left them with.

[Maenos]

Interestingly, Eureka is now listed at Midnight again.

Maybe they decided against it.

[AlphaPrime]

Is also listed at midnight*well 11 pm since i'm CST* on my directv onscreen guide, guess we find out tonight heh.

[Pepperidge]

Well, everyone had better damned well watch it tonight, if that's the case. >_>

[KaidoYuji8Adam]

Well, everyone had better damned well watch it tonight, if that's the case. >_>

O, dont worry my brother and I will be watching.
WHY didnt they put Korgorath on at 11 or 11:30? If you have it on at 11:30 it will do REALLY well (hopefully) and lead into a great Eureka Seven rating too!

If the show gets a series, maybe we can get it to premire at 11:30 before E7 and see how that does.

If it does poorly, then put Kor. on Sundays when its repeats would be.
maybe?

[Timmay]

AHhh thank you bright people at adult swim for giving this series more of a chance before giving it the Gundam SEED treatment.

[livingfruitvirus]

O, dont worry my brother and I will be watching.
WHY didnt they put Korgorath on at 11 or 11:30? If you have it on at 11:30 it will do REALLY well (hopefully) and lead into a great Eureka Seven rating too!

If the show gets a series, maybe we can get it to premire at 11:30 before E7 and see how that does.

If it does poorly, then put Kor. on Sundays when its repeats would be.
maybe?

Korgoth (I don't know HOW you manage to misspell it so badly) will replay Sunday at 10:30 between Futurama and Family Guy, and again on Thursday at midnight. It has plenty of chances to prove itself.

[Mugen]

Glad to see AS giving it another chance at the midnight spot. You can tell AS wants Korgoth to do well, since it's getting two spots on Saturday. In fact, the only shows tonight that are not Eureka Seven or Korgoth are InuYasha and Samurai Champloo.

[KaidoYuji8Adam]

So If Korgoth does well..It will be on thursdays and sundays?
Am I right?

I think it would be cool to put it with Eureka and AS saturdays..maybe invigorate it, THEN show it again on Sunday

[Mugen]

So If Korgoth does well..It will be on thursdays and sundays?
Am I right?



We don't know.

[DragonPup]

Interestingly, Eureka is now listed at Midnight again.

Maybe they decided against it.

Huzzah!

[SSJPabs]

I have been gone for... months and months and months for various reasons. Throughout that time the only interesing things on Adult Swim have been Samurai Champloo, the last 20 or so episodes of FMA and anything, ANYTHING GITS.

Adult Swim has gone to hell. Give it up AS. Admit you only care about the comedy series and give up the anime, it's hard to find and get good ones so let's all just move on.

[li_mangaman]

Maybe it was all just a huge prank.

Those fuc... fakers.

On the other hand I convinced my friend to watch GiTS now and maybe instead he'll get back into E7.

This timeslot's still good though and I'm very happy that it's on now, I just wish I knew it was on now before I went around advertising it's false 1:30AM slot.

[Master Moron]

I have been gone for... months and months and months for various reasons. Throughout that time the only interesing things on Adult Swim have been Samurai Champloo, the last 20 or so episodes of FMA and anything, ANYTHING GITS.

Adult Swim has gone to hell. Give it up AS. Admit you only care about the comedy series and give up the anime, it's hard to find and get good ones so let's all just move on.

I'm not sure why everyone wants AS to give up on anime. They're pretty much the only channel that airs anime that's targeted to adults. I mean, there's the Anime Network, The Funimation Channel, and AZN, but no one gets those channels.

[William C. Maune]

I'm not sure why everyone wants AS to give up on anime. They're pretty much the only channel that airs anime that's targeted to adults. I mean, there's the Anime Network, The Funimation Channel, and AZN, but no one gets those channels.

Exactly. I don't see how Adult Swim giving up anime is going to accomplish anything. We'll just go from anime being on in late slots to know anime being on at all (at least on channels that people actually get). Heck, I'm just glad that Adult Swim continues to pick up anime series despite the fact that they have had rather limited success. Anime on Adult Swim is a heck of a lot better than these series not being on television at all.

[NahMan85]

I'm not sure why everyone wants AS to give up on anime. They're pretty much the only channel that airs anime that's targeted to adults. I mean, there's the Anime Network, The Funimation Channel, and AZN, but no one gets those channels.
Exactly. It should also be the one reason why I think AS should just have more anime than comedy IMO.
Exactly. I don't see how Adult Swim giving up anime is going to accomplish anything. We'll just go from anime being on in late slots to know anime being on at all (at least on channels that people actually get). Heck, I'm just glad that Adult Swim continues to pick up anime series despite the fact that they have had rather limited success. Anime on Adult Swim is a heck of a lot better than these series not being on television at all.
Yup. I agree. No doubt. I feel the same way.

[SSJPabs]

Exactly. I don't see how Adult Swim giving up anime is going to accomplish anything. We'll just go from anime being on in late slots to know anime being on at all (at least on channels that people actually get). Heck, I'm just glad that Adult Swim continues to pick up anime series despite the fact that they have had rather limited success. Anime on Adult Swim is a heck of a lot better than these series not being on television at all.Heck, I'm just glad that Adult Swim continues to pick up anime series despite the fact that they have had rather limited success. Anime on Adult Swim is a heck of a lot better than these series not being on television at all.My problem is with their mixing comedy and action even on what was supposed to be an Action night. There just seems such a lack of consistency in the scheduling that finding what you want to watch is problematic. It feels like they've been doing Action (almost entirely anime) out of a sense of obligation, like being forced to eat your vegetables (Action) so you can eat dessert (Comedy) with a clear conscience. As consequence it feels like they're half-assing it.

I suppose I should point out that looking at the next two weeks, it seems like they are actively attempting to enforce a clear and consistent schedule with a seperation between Action and Comedy so that should improve things.

Finally, maybe it's me. Except for Boondocks, I have hated every original show Adult Swim has placed in its Comedy ranks after the early days (Aqua Teen, Sealab, Harvey Birdman, etc.). So I'd rather be done with it all, rather than hoping and waiting that they get something new thats good.

[William C. Maune]

My problem is with their mixing comedy and action even on what was supposed to be an Action night. There just seems such a lack of consistency in the scheduling that finding what you want to watch is problematic. It feels like they've been doing Action (almost entirely anime) out of a sense of obligation, like being forced to eat your vegetables (Action) so you can eat dessert (Comedy) with a clear conscience. As consequence it feels like they're half-assing it.

While it certainly has gone back and forth over the years, Saturdays have been exclusively action since Venture Brothers/Stroker and Hoop were taken off Saturdays. Korgoth did air on Saturday, but that can easily work as both an action and comedy show. And no matter what the mixture of shows, I don't see how fans of the action shows gain anything by action leaving Adult Swim (comedy-only fans would gain something).

[Rabi~en~Rose]

FLCL marathon saturday august 5th! :anime: wonder how that will do for saturday? but I thought AS said no more marathons :confused:

[Happy]

Is this still the complain about AS programming thread? If so, good, because I want to complain about something. Whoever it is that picks up shows for ASA needs to be fired. They have been picking shows based more on their personal feelings than on the show's possibility for success and this needs to end. I looked at shows like PA and immediantly knew they wouldn't work in a once a week format. If a show starts slow it should be stripped for weeknights or not picked up. Just look at the shows that did well, Cowboy Bebop, Trigun, early Inu-Yasha, early FMA, they all had something in common, plots that would get resolved in one or two episodes. Those are the types of shows that AS needs to aquire.

[Freedom Fighter]

Is this still the complain about AS programming thread? If so, good, because I want to complain about something. Whoever it is that picks up shows for ASA needs to be fired. They have been picking shows based more on their personal feelings than on the show's possibility for success and this needs to end. I looked at shows like PA and immediantly knew they wouldn't work in a once a week format. If a show starts slow it should be stripped for weeknights or not picked up. Just look at the shows that did well, Cowboy Bebop, Trigun, early Inu-Yasha, early FMA, they all had something in common, plots that would get resolved in one or two episodes. Those are the types of shows that AS needs to aquire.I don't think it's that much of a bad thing. But it's not like they're complete choosing everything just because someone on the network staff likes it. They realize they have to go for the blockbuster every once in awhile... Bebop, Inuyasha, FMA, and Bleach starting in September. It would be boring if all they went after is what's the most popular show they can find. Just because it's popular in Japan doesn't mean it'll be popular here in the states (*sniffles* poor Case Closed). I usually like their creative choices because it gives people a chance to see something they weren't sure if they would like and enable them to make a decision for virtually free. Since you brought up Paranoia Agent... ended up loving it, but I never would've seen it/given it a chance had AS not made the decision to air it.

Picking acquistions is always a game of chance. AS hopes everything they throw at the dartboard sticks, and obviously, no one's perfect. There's always going to be a show that is well received and another that a lot of people find dull. Changing their strategy as to what anime to pick up next will not have any bearing on whether said pick will be successful or not.

[DaphHime]

I think Bleach might be more successful than E7 since it already has a pretty large fanbase, plus the manga has been out in the US for quite awhile. It'll probably be on terms of FMA when it comes to how successful it will be. And anything related to Shonen Jump does pretty well.

Actually, the one reason why I was glad AS got it is that they tend to keep the shows opening (with a few exceptions), and I love Orange Range's Bleach theme.

But it's also a very long series (Over 100-something episodes, about as much, and potentially more, than IY since its still in production in Japan.), so I don't know about airing it once a week. Twice is a decent amount, since I don't think more than that is good either. Plus, from what I've seen of Bleach, most of the conflicts span two or three episodes, then they move on to the next one.

I wish AS didn't have such a negative stanch toward their anime. That commercial that sated why they aired live action, "because anime sucks" comes to mind. Though that might have been sarcastic, please correct me if I'm wrong. But then they turn around and complain about their anime shows ratings. Which is it!? If they wanted it to be successful they could, oh I don't know, quit bashing their own shows and possibly promote it as much as they do their comedy shows instead of just air it because they can.

Sorry, that turned into a bit of a rant there.

[William C. Maune]

I wish AS didn't have such a negative stanch toward their anime. That commercial that sated why they aired live action, "because anime sucks" comes to mind. Though that might have been sarcastic, please correct me if I'm wrong. But then they turn around and complain about their anime shows ratings. Which is it!? If they wanted it to be successful they could, oh I don't know, quit bashing their own shows and possibly promote it as much as they do their comedy shows instead of just air it because they can.

Like a lot of things Adult Swim says in their cards, it was most likely sarcastic. They don't really have a negative stanch towards anime. If they did, they wouldn't keep picking up new series over and over again despite the fact that anime rarely does all that well. It may receive later timeslots and less promotion, but they are far more committed to anime than any other major network.

[DaphHime]

Like a lot of things Adult Swim says in their cards, it was most likely sarcastic. They don't really have a negative stanch towards anime. If they did, they wouldn't keep picking up new series over and over again despite the fact that anime rarely does all that well. It may receive later timeslots and less promotion, but they are far more committed to anime than any other major network.

Ok, that's what I thought. :sweat:

[Doz Hewson]

Sometimes I wonder why does Adult Swim even bother with anime on Saturdays anymore? It constantly underperforms the Sunday comedies because the audience who would be inclined to watch it have either (A) already have it or seen it somewhere else, (B) have a personal biasis against anything dubbed and won't watch it anyway, or (C) simply have better things to do on Saturday nights.

Adult Swim should just put anime fans out of their misery and make Saturday nights the home of Mr.T, Gary Coleman, and Chuck Norris and any other Hannah Barbera show that nobody watched in the '80s--or perhaps just a six-hour block of Saved By The Bell and Mama's Family.

Personally, I like Eureka 7 a lot. Pushing it back to 1:30 AM is totally lame, unless Adult Swim plans to start airing it unedited. In any event, I'll follow it there--I just hope that Adult Swim will at least show the complete series before pulling the plug and replacing it with the umpteenth airing of Trigun...



I agree with everything you said of Adult Swim/Saturday. I'll just whup another factor on this: Williams Street to anime program packagers:"Every time we ask for the rights to air a show,y'all keep runnin' away."