punk music

[mxyzptlk]

;) hey, who loves punk music on the new boards cause i know i do .
i like the new forums and the advancements are great.
bob grey

[joker]

i would say that i do

[Samhaine]

I'm a huge punk fan. Though, true punk is dead (R.I.P. Joey Ramone....), the punk out there now is some good stuff. One of my favorite bands right now is A New Found Glory. I still go to Warped Tour every year, and I still go to punk shows, but they're getting kinda beat.

The last show I went to was The Ataris, The Vandals, and Lagwagon. I was not completely bored by Lagwagon, but the other two just weren't that good.

A couple years ago, the punk scene was great. But, ever since Blink182 made it big with their sell-out cd (and I don't mean that it couldn't stay on the shelves, I mean they SOLD OUT) Enema of the State, punk has dying down. A damn shame, I say.

[James Harvey]

A fellow Lagwagon fan? Man -- that's rare. I'd recommend Gob, MxPx, and Sum41 to ya. Yeah -- Blink182 sold out a long time ago. Compare them now to five years ago. They now grace the covers of TEEN PEOPLE, SEVENTEEN, YM, and all those girly junk magazines. Ugh.

[Samhaine]

Yeah, Lagwagon's alright. They were the one part of the show that didn't suck. Plus, their contribution to Me First and the Gimmie Gimmies (I don't know which members are in it, but I know part of them is there) is great. Me First is another great band. I mean, who would ever think you'd hear 'Mandy' in a punk way?

[mxyzptlk]

i think the greatest punk bands were the older ones like the misfits and the vandals(the 80s vandals). i also like the clash and the ramones. the new stuff is good but the older stuff is a little better. oh, yeah i also like the sex pistols.

[joker]

i cant stand lagwagon. man there aweful. i relly like the misfits and anti-flag. but the punk scene is going way down with blink and all. its almost like they are giving punk a bad name. the old punk like vandals and misfits is really good. i recomend you listen to it. but i never get to goto any good shows cause i live in podunk america where no good bands where play any more. sucks.

[mxyzptlk]

joker i would to agree i do not like lagwagon I find them to popy another one of those blink182 clone bands.
hope i dont affend nobody
"i learned that just because the joker is insane doesnt mean he isnt Smart" myxzptlk

[joker]

joker was smart enough to steal mxys powers

[Samhaine]

i relly like the misfits and anti-flag

I was into Anti-Flag a few years back, but now, I'm not so sure. They returned to Pittsburgh in February with A New Found Glory and Less Than Jake (two great bands together) and I just wasn't that interested anymore.

Don't get me wrong, I like the music, but I just can't stand the preaching they do every time they preform. And it's the same speeches, over and over again. I can't tell you how many times I've heard them talk about picking someone up when they fall, or how the government sucks. It just gets old.

So yeah, after a couple of years of hearing it, you just want to yell "Shut up and play the music!" I still don't know how they got onto Phat Wreck Chords. And I was amazed that they were on the Warped Tour last year too. A local band hits it big. Too bad it couldn't be one of the better Pittsburgh bands...

[Samhaine]

My roommate was in a KB Toys yesterday, and as he was at the register, the Sailor Moon theme song was playing. The guy at the register said "This song would be cool if it were punk."

My roommate asked "Well, what do you consider punk?"

"Blink 182."

It's a sad, sad day.

[mxyzptlk]

i hate anti flag

[joker]

yeah, it is kinda sad when people say they like punk and their favorite band is jossie and the pussy cats. some times it just makes me want to go crazier! there not even a real band. and blink sucks too. and the rest of their clones like fenix tx and atrias. they just suck. but give anti-flag some credit. even though they have really screwd up views about the government. at least they believe in unity. put you cant deny they are some of the most musicly talented groups out there.

[mxyzptlk]

they suck they suck they suck they suck they suck they suck they suck they suck they suck they suck they suck they suck they suck they suck they suck

[The Flash]

http://community.sierra.com/Images/emoticons/yawn.gif I'm not that into punk but I wouldn't say that I hate it.... I'm more into classic rock...... http://community.sierra.com/Images/emoticons/crazy.gif

[joker]

narrow minded and bored mxy?

[mxyzptlk]

they suck they suck they suck they suck they suck they suck
they suck they suck they suck they suck they suck they suck

[The Flash]

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[Samhaine]

They are, but in a way, you start to get sick of it. Lately, they haven't even really been playing good songs at their shows. I remember when they used to open with their best song, "Davey Destroyed the Punk Scene". Now, they never play it. But they always end with "Die for the Government". Gotta end with that. I'm sick of that song.

[James]

Actually, I quite enjoy Blink. No, they are nothing mind blowing but they are, IMO, excellent entertainers. Nice to see a punk band that doesn't take themselves so seriously. Not the most skilled band in the world though.... but in my opinion they make up for it in charisma.

I think you'll find that Blink 182 isn't killing punk, but it does keep the industry's interest in the rock/punk genre (if it sells, they're interested!)

Now a true total sell out punk mainstream band is Offspring. But once again, as much as I loathe their one-tune-an-album package they do keep the industry AND the average joe aware of rock/punk's pressence. I'd rather have that than be overun by Boyzone and the Backstreet Boys.

Thanks, but no thanks.
:D

[Samhaine]

Offspring, that's another sell-out band. Forgot about them (which it's not hard, since Smash was their last good album).

But to say that Blink is good? That's pushing it. They USED to be good. I can't call them punk. It's a crime against the good punk bands. Compare "Dude Ranch" to "Enema of the State". There's a world of difference. They changed their style of music to reach a bigger audience. Makes me sick.

[James]

Offer me the cash they were offered I would sell out too - perhaps that just shows how very shallow I can be.

Still, I find them as entertainment very enjoyable. Sitting watching MTV/MTV2 I find their videos (and I especially include 'Dammit', pre Enema) very refreshing to the MTV standard Look-at-me-god-I'm-hard/Look-at-me-god-I'm-tortured videos. It's character which makes them popular not music. I think they know that as well as we do.

Give 'em a few years, the money will dry up, the record company will lose interest and they'll be back crawling to their original audience.... :D

[Samhaine]

Eh, I've given up on them. And I did see them perform live when "What's My Age Again?" came out. I went to the other side of the place (it was at Warped Tour) and watched my friend try to get his camera back. It's all a matter of personal taste, I guess.

I'd like to think that I have values, and that I wouldn't sell out if offered money. Mind you, I've never had the opportunity...


Speaking of the Warped Tour, is anyone gonna go this year? They have Me First and the Gimmie Gimmies, Less Than Jake, Snapcase, and a bunch of other ones. Looks to be good.

[James Harvey]

Me First & The Gimme Gimmes. Arguably one of the best punk bands, I find. I'd like to see more stuff by Screeching Weasel and Bracket also. And I consider Blink182 a pop band now, mainly becuase they appeared on about 5 - 10 POP SONG compilations alongside crap like Britney Speaks and N'Sync.

[James]

Blink182 a pop band now, mainly becuase they appeared on about 5 - 10 POP SONG compilations alongside crap like Britney Speaks and N'Sync.

Hmm, that brings up an interesting point - does a band change genre just because it becomes liked by a different crowd? Is pop less a definition of a type of music but just what the name suggests: popular music.

If that is what defines pop music then I hold my hand up and say that enjoy some pop music. Britney and N'Sync not included.

That brings me onto another point. Bands which cover pop songs to look 'cool'. Hey, I'm covering 'Hit me baby one more time' and I'm a male rock band - this shows how secure I am with my musical acceptability and masculinity (because it's a girls song)..!'

Aw, shut it Travis and various other bands (including my all time favourites Mr Bungle). What makes it worse is that Britney did it better. Now that's embarrassing!

[mxyzptlk]

what matters is their music changed them it is now really slow and poppy i honestly cannot stand them or the off spring they both sold out and were good but not that good in the first place but the transition of punk to pop has nothing to do with who listen to them it has to do with the change in the sound of their music. :D

[James]

has nothing to do with who listen to them it has to do with the change in the sound of their music.

Both Offspring and Blink 182 maybe a little more commercial but, like it or not, it is still a form of punk. The tracks maybe a little lighter, but it is still essentially boils down to the fact it is punk/punk rock. Both in guitars, harmonies and formula.

Now whether it's any good is a totally different matter altogether!

;)

[Samhaine]

Originally posted by SJJ


Both Offspring and Blink 182 maybe a little more commercial but, like it or not, it is still a form of punk.



I'm sorry, but that just ain't punk. Tell me, with a straight face, that Adam's Song is a punk song. I dare you.

You can't. Know why? Because it's not. Not in any way, shape, or form.

That's the feeling I get from the entire cd.

[James]

Adam is a still a variant of Punk. Don't believe that Punk has to be hardcore. That song has punk roots in it's construction and compositon. What make's it sound unpunkish and more poppish the song's production. The production of the whole Album is extremely mainstream and I think that is where the change lies.

There and with a totally straight face! :cool:

[Failure]

Hello all, I was just wondering where does Green Day stand in the punk world? Do people still consider them punk? Do they think they sold out? I'm just wondering, because I hear more about Blink selling out (which I totally agree with), but I don't hear much about Green Day, so I was wondering if they're held in higher regard.

As for punk, I'm not a huge fan, at least of the hardcore style, just not enough melody, and a lot of times the cd just sounds like one 30 minute song to me. :)

[mxyzptlk]

blink is not punk it is not just softer. if u wanna compare it to softish and non hardcore punk just compare it to the ramones or the clash. they are nothing alike you would have a better time comparing them to a teeny bopper band(britney and n sync). in the end it just aint punk its just next pop crap video on trl.:mad:

[mxyzptlk]

in my opinion they sold out. they are all right in comparison to blink 182 which gives punk a bad name. :p

[joker]

mxys right. there nothing like some of the "softer" punk bands. and whats wrong with comical content? just cause a band has funny songs means there not punk? look at the vandals. they dont have one serious song and they are one of the most punk bands ever. and you cant "break down" punk music and examine it like you were. all it is power cords and a fast drum beat, most punk bands are just people who want to get their ideas out or just ahve fun with a simple kind of music thats fun and easy to play. its not freakin moatzart. you do have exceoptions to this like punk bands who break the mold, bad religion, the clash, are a couple of examples who "redifine" punk. blink just sucks. as for greenday. i havnt heard there new stuff. but if your looking for a good punk band, try billie-joe's brother tim. hes in a band called rancid and they are really good. blah blah blah.:eek:

[James]

and you cant "break down" punk music and examine it like you were. all it is power cords and a fast drum beat,

I agree, that is a fair assessment of punk. And if you check out Blink 182's songs you'll see on the whole, they are chord based with double time drums songs. Their close harmonies between vocals is very punk style too.

just cause a band has funny songs means there not punk?

That's what I said when I was defending Blink 182. Agree with you again.

Look, I don't want to sit here defending a band I have no particular allegiance to, but I have heard their whole album and it's not all 'what's my age again'. If I was a popster, I wouldn't be able to listen to it.

As witn Offspring and Green Day. All of them have commercial songs as they are aimed at the mass market but they are punk rock. Frankly, if you have a problem with Blink 182, then you should have a problem with Green Day and Offspring.

Anyway, I've had enough of this argument as I don't even like these bands. I've seen a lot of punk bands and been in a few too, I just think these bands are the sort we don't like to put into our catagory of music - the fact is, like it or not, they are.

[grundle]

I don't think most of you guys know what real punk is.

I suggest that you listen to the CD of "London Calling" by the Clash.

[Samhaine]

"Real" punk? You want what started it all, you listen to the Sex Pistols.

[joker]

ssj is right as much as i hate to say blink is a punk band(even though they suck hard). look at the wide range of punk bands. compare ramones to sex pistols. compare rancid to the clash . alomost nothing a like but still they are both punk. the thing is blink and offspring isnt the type of punk that most punkers like. just the little teenie bopper and jocks. but yet they are punk bleh

[James]

the thing is blink and offspring isnt the type of punk that most punkers like. just the little teenie bopper and jocks. but yet they are punk bleh

Totally agree. No one is saying Blink/Offspring/G'Day are good punk. But they are lightweight punk. The sort that your 14 year old brother will proudly emblazen across his T-Shirt as he begins his rebellious years....

I say cool - if these bands can ween kids to go and see actual gigs with punk or rock bands and support the live scene rather than paying big bucks to watch Steps or Boyzone....... they're worth their weight........ IMO

;)

[mxyzptlk]

i would have to agree london calling is a great cd i recently aquired it. blink and all the other sell out punk bands may be punk but i can not with a straight face put them in the same catagory as the clash and sex pistal. hey i am fourteen and i am insulted.:mad:

[James]

sorry mate - wasn't meant to be a personal remark. Just because you're 14 doesn't mean that the post refered to you. Unless of course, you're a hardcore Blink/offspring/g'day fan .......... ;)

[mxyzptlk]

i was just kidding although i hate those bands

[Batmite]

hey dudes, i got a thingy. mxy, guess who this is. same to you joker. :D

[mxyzptlk]

nice to see u finally signed up
call joker if u want to know how to put a picture on your name

[Batmite]

I don't think most of you guys know what real punk is.

I suggest that you listen to the CD of "London Calling" by the Clash.


the clash sucks monkey butts. the misfits are soooo much better. in my opinion the clash is one of the worst bands ever. but that is just my opinion. some of my favorite bands are misfits, nofx, voodoo glow skulls, 88 fingers louie, ramones,and the mr. t experience. these are just a few of the bands i like though.

[Batmite]

Speaking of the Warped Tour, is anyone gonna go this year? They have Me First and the Gimmie Gimmies, Less Than Jake, Snapcase, and a bunch of other ones. Looks to be good. [/B][/QUOTE]



i wanna go, like super bad but i live in alabama and i doubt my pops will drive me to atlanta just to see a concert. that makes me bummed.
:(

[mxyzptlk]

to say the clash sucks monkey butts in my opinion does not make sense cause most the bands u listed probley look up to the clash as one of the biggest influences in their music career.
sorry that i put such rude remarks bud.

[Batmite]

that is my opinion! and i'm stickin to it. and why would anyone look up to the clash? they suck (MY OPINION!!!!!):mad:

[James Harvey]

Glad to see everything has smoothed. I was hoping it would. This has become quite a thread.

[Inque]

rock the casbah!

[James Harvey]

Good one, Inque...:)

[mxyzptlk]

cause the clash and a few other pioneer punk bands were the god fathers of punk and a lotta bands probley would say that the clash was one of the biggest influences on their musical career:mad:

[joker]

any one heard of ips? there a really good new school punk band.

[mxyzptlk]

hey we cant let this die this is one of the biggest threads i have ever seen we have to revive it so new topic who likes the sex pistols i think they are great and who like the misfits:p

[James Harvey]

I was hoping this thread would end while it was good, but maybe we can revive it. The MISFITS are pretty good, although their new album wasn't that great. Not as good as DEAD KENNEDYS, but good indeed.

[mxyzptlk]

yeah i have a friend who is not on the boards and he loves the dead kennedys although i myself havent really had that much eposure to them and are you talkin about famous monsters i thought although that had a different style i still thought it was a pretty good cd. :rolleyes: :o :( :cool:

[James Harvey]

It was good, definatly, but just not as good as some of their earlier stuff. Although I had the pleasure of seeing them live this past October and I was just blown away! They were just amazing live. I'd recommend you search out Dead Kennedies stuff, although it is a bit expensive.

[mxyzptlk]

they are my favorite band and i live in the heart of dixie and i am to young to drive and the closest the come is atlanta so their is practicly no chance of me getting to se them any time soon:mad:

[James]

they are my favorite band and i live in the heart of dixie and i am to young to drive and the closest the come is atlanta so their is practicly no chance of me getting to se them any time soon

How far is the furthest anyone's travelled to see a gig? Here in the UK, obviously the distances are a lot shorter (London to Glastonbury was considered a big distance as a 3 hour drive and that was for a 4 day event!). Personally, an 80 minute journey is as much as I like to travel to a gig but then I'm a lazy wuss!

[mxyzptlk]

i dont gots a car so i dont have the oppritunity but to the locale bands show i have 30 min thats all:mad:

[James Harvey]

I drove two hours to see a musicfest headlined by major Canadian performers. Possibly the best concert I ever went to.

[mxyzptlk]

i feel like a little kid cause i do not have the resources to concerts and it sucks waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa:(

[mxyzptlk]

hey dick grayson i just got the dead kenedys song nazi punk cant post the rest of the title i thought it was very good but not better than the misfits.

[James Harvey]

"Nazi Punk..." is arguably one of their best songs, as well as "Kill The Poor". And no, as evil as these songs sound, they're anti-government and are singing about the actions of the government towards the poor. Good band!

[mxyzptlk]

yeah thats one thing i dont like about allotta to almost all punk bands is they believe in anarchy and in my opinion that is one of the dumbest things like ever:cool:

[joker]

misfits were so much better with danzig. he was so cool but now hes sucks cause hes a jerk. oh well. about anarchy, i would agree with mxy on that. i think its funny when the wanna be punks say they want anarchy and they cant tell me what it is. ha. but who would. after i explain it to them they change thier mind. ive only heard a couple of songs by the dead kenedys and i didnt really like them. just to bleh. a very good band i have recently discoverd is the subhamans. there one of the best british punk bands ive ever heard, there were only a band for a year and they put out 5 cds. they are very good. i also like black flag. henry rules. rise above is one of the best songs ever. blah blah blah

[Samhaine]

Well, I don't have to drive very far for shows. Just about every tour comes through Pittsburgh. I did drive an hour and a half to get to Pittsburgh from school to see Less Than Jake and A New Found Glory, but that was soooo worth it.

[The Dork Knight]

BLINK 182 IS A GREAT POP I MEAN PUNK BAND EVER! SO STOP DISSIN' BLINK!

[mxyzptlk]

blink 182 sucks so lets not get into that so this thread is not thrown out. subhumans are very good for british punk i would have to say the clash and the sex pistols tower over them.:p

[mxyzptlk]

hey whats every bodies favorite punk band:D lets keep this movin its been such a fun thread for me cause i get to talk and argue with people about my favorite type of music .:D

[Batmite]

misfits, nofx, ramones, rancid,and a bunch of others but this should get the thread started.:D

[mxyzptlk]

misfits sex pistols and the old vandals;)

[joker]

anti-flag, old misfits,

[Inque]

not a punk fan myself, but i have to say the names the bands have are really funny. sloppy meat eaters?

yeesh.:rolleyes:

[James]

Not so much into the straight punk scene nowadays and opt for more rock/punk hybrid's (which is where my band currently sits). Used to really enjoy irish punk band Compulsion and a small London trio I used to see occasionally called Staplegun. They couldn't sing very well, the production was awful, but there was just something unique about them. Perhaps the fact I liked them and no one else did.

[mxyzptlk]

sounds kinda like a local birmingham al. band i heard awful production and not the best singer but i still thought they were really good:D

[mxyzptlk]

hey name your favorite anarchy songs mine are anarchy for the uk by the sex pistols and anarchy burger by the vandals:D

[mxyzptlk]

who loves this great 70s british punk band they have some really great songs like london calling, should i stay or should i go, and rock the casbah:D

[mxyzptlk]

hey i was thinkin and lookin through the annigen boardsand decided to bring it back. so how do you feel about anarchy cause this a punk threads. i find it very stupid and a posers way to feel like a punk. cause they have no idea what it means but they see a anarchy symbol on jonny rotten t shirt so they decided to support it.

for all who dont know here isthe definition for anarchy.
anarchy-a stateof society without government or law.
in tranzlation someone can rob you kill you or do anything they want without a penalty.

[The Dork Knight]

Other than Blink -182- I like Sum*41 and SR-71.

[Split56]

It doens't matter if Green Day, Fenix, Ataris and Blink aren't punk, they make good music (especially Green Day) and that's all that matters. If a band isn't punk, you guys hate them. That's freakin stupid. My definition of selling out, is when a band changes the style of their music, not for themselves, but for the money.
Blink182 did not sellout. From Cheshire Cat to Enema, their talent has gotten better. So they are going to be making more complicated songs, because of this. Another reason is their newer drummer, Travis. This can explain all the different tempo changes. Scott and Travis' style in drumming is way different and you can't expect the same crap.
And Blink182 sounds nothing like pop music, how can you say they're pop.

[Split56]

Originally posted by mxyzptlk
to say the clash sucks monkey butts in my opinion does not make sense cause most the bands u listed probley look up to the clash as one of the biggest influences in their music career.
sorry that i put such rude remarks bud.
What do you mean it doesn't make sense? That's his freakin opinion. IF a band he likes looks up to the Clash, fine, but it doesn't mean he should change his mind about it.
Originally posted by mxyzptlk
blink 182 sucks so lets not get into that so this thread is not thrown out. subhumans are very good for british punk i would have to say the clash and the sex pistols tower over them.:p
Why do you like to bash other peoples opinions?

[joker]

Originally posted by Split56
If a band isn't punk, you guys hate them. That's freakin stupid.

thats not true i do like some stuff that isnt punk(i cant speak for every one else), just not much of it. i like some ska, but thats not saying much since some of it isnt that far off from punk. but ive heard some rock songs i didnt think that were that bad. and the thing on blink 182 i just i dont like them, not really any of thier songs, old or new. any way, i doubt every one on this thread doesnt hate every thing thats not punk. blah blah rant rant.

[Split56]

That's cool.