24 "Day 5: 11:00 pm - 12:00 midnight" Talkback (Spoilers)

[The Penguin]

To the world, he's dead. But soon, he'll become the most wanted man alive.

http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/wfboards/24s5.jpg24: Season Five
Day 5: 11:00 pm - 12:00 midnight

UNEXPECTED TWIST TURNS PRIORITIES AROUND ON AN ALL-NEW "24" MONDAY, APRIL 10, ON FOX

New discoveries regarding the day’s horrific events keep agent Jack Bauer away from CTU, whose agenda Homeland Security is ordered to reprioritize. Chloe and Audrey team together to assist with field operations and the investigation takes a unexpected turn on an all-new episode of 24, “Day 5: 11:00 PM-12:00 MID” Monday, April 10 (9:00-10:00 PM ET/PT) on FOX. (TWF-517) (TV-14; V) CC-HDTV 720p-Dolby Digital 5.1 PA: Due to some graphic violence, viewer discretion is advised.

Cast: Kiefer Sutherland as Jack Bauer, Kim Raver as Audrey Raines, Mary Lynn Rajskub as Chloe O’Brian, Roger Cross as Curtis Manning, James Morrison as Bill Buchanan, Gregory Itzin as President Logan, Jean Smart as First Lady Martha Logan.

Guest Cast: Jayne Atkinson as Karen Hayes, Stephen Spinella as Miles Papazian, Peter Weller as Christopher Henderson, Ray Wise as Vice President Hal Gardner, Jude Ciccolella as Mike Novick, Stana Katic as Collette Stenger, Peter Weller as Christopher Henderson, Julian Sands as Vladimir Bierko, Glenn Morshower as Agent Aaron Pierce, Kate Mara as Shari Rothenberg, DB Woodsie as Wayne Palmer and Martin A. Papazian as Rick Burke.

Comments?

For those interested, USA Today featured a short article with comments from Gregory Itzin about President Logan being revealed as the man behind it all.
'24' prez pivots from weasel to evil (http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/news/2006-04-09-24-prez_x.htm)

Also, check out the previous episode talkback (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=163874). At the end of the episode visit the 24 "Scenes from the next all-new hour" Talkback (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=158962) thread to discuss the scenes from next week (contains spoilers).

[melibell21]

o crap...i voted for the wrong episode. i though it was last weeks episode, so i voted five! darn it. i (ovbiously) haven't even seen this one.

well, the damage is done....so i hope this episode deserves my five-star ranking!

[Lord Dalek]

You know those people who think West Wing is the most politicially biased show in America should give 24 a spin. :p

[NickWhiz1]

Awesome last few minutes, with Chloe and her badass hax, as well as the firefight outside the bank.

***** (yet again)

Next week... :eek::eek::eek:

[solarflere]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW, I think I my heart stoped. Henderson'e team takes out the cops, The Army take out Henderson's team, I was rooting for the Army, but then they started to shoot at Jack.

If ANYONE is not giving this episode *****, you are not watching the same show.:cool:

Next episode, Audrey's dad, confronts the President with the intent to stop him. Can it get any better tha this?
So the terrorists this season are the US president himself. Its very interasting, last season the the alternate threat were the Chinese government, this season its the US government.

[FireStarterLE]

i would hate to think that one of my elected officials put us in danger to make us stronger.

So ... did Henderson shoot Evelyn and her daughter, i wont put it past him.

that last quote in the preview was awesome
"i know what you did, i know what you're doing and i'm here to stop you"

[Temple Fugate]

OH YES! OH YES!

That was just...yes. The action. The twists. The perfect little things we saw from everyone in the main cast. The music! Pure 24 perfection.

That's about it. I have no complaints about this episode at all, save for THAT STUPID KID I HOPE HENDERSON KILLED HER.

(huff...huff...) I'm okay. I just...need to watch this episode again. Six times.

24 #5AFF17: "Day 5: 11:00pm-12:00am" - *****

Good morning.

7 hours remain...

EDIT: Please put talk of previews in spoiler boxes or in this thread (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=158962).

[Carolina Red]

It's all for public capital. You would think that Logan could get some serious punishment for this though.

It's no surprise though that even some of his own cabinet would not support his work.

[SirLemming]

Everyone in the room with me can attest to this: during the commercial break I said "Oh good, Henderson has 3 minutes to calm down. He can't kill anyone during the commercial break."

Looks like I was probably wrong. I guess it's good that they spared us, though. The scenes with Evelyn almost dying were disturbing enough. Onscreen deaths would've been pushing it.

Oddly enough, I think the banker is one of the only guys this season who's died in pseudo-hostage mode, even though Jack has run the same risk with a lot of people so far. Mostly it's been bad-guy informants or government guys who have had the frustrating deaths.

Chloe had another awesome moment. "Do you want me to write you a report?"

That Homeland guy still needs to get freaking pummeled, though. I can't stand him for a second. Not only are his actions just way unnecessarily jerkish, but... that VOICE. I mean, he makes Lynn look like... Chloe.

[Conekiller]

whoah, Henderson killed Evelyn and the daughter? I missed that O_O

[solarflere]

That Homeland guy still needs to get freaking pummeled, though. I can't stand him for a second. Not only are his actions just way unnecessarily jerkish, but... that VOICE. I mean, he makes Lynn look like... Chloe.At least Lynn had the "Flank3" moment and save the STU glory death.
And the 50% gas distribution plant girl had another good sattelite moment.

[ToOn~g@l]

Great episode yet again that was crazy hearing Logan talking on that recording, the next episode will be interesting.

That was a nice idea too distracting those terriorists and that was a nice trick Audrey played on the trackers, I would have just thrown the thing away but making them follow another truck is definitly more affective.

[Lord Dalek]

Well we need somebody like Miles Papazian to be the resident political weasel now that Logan has become MegaTerrorist.

[SirLemming]

whoah, Henderson killed Evelyn and the daughter? I missed that O_O
I just have to assume he did. He said he "took care of them" or something like that. Evelyn did betray him, so... her chances aren't good.

At least Lynn had the "Flank3" moment and save the STU glory death.
Flank TWO! FLANK TWO!! Never forget...

[solarflere]

What ever happaned to the German Intel guy, i am sure it will come up in play this season.

[redDragon]

whoah, Henderson killed Evelyn and the daughter? I missed that O_O

It's an assumption. It's not like Henderson was going to leave the two alive after finding out where Jack was.

[Freedom Fighter]

There's a mixed message between Logan and Henderson. Logan is the one in charge, but Henderson acts like the mastermind. Henderson killed President Palmer, but it was as an after-effect of Logan's plan to 'protect American freedoms.' There is no 'firm' leader in principle here, there is no control, it's easy to believe that one can easily usurp the other at this point.

It's always fun when someone tags along with Jack, since said person has never experienced being with him in this way. Then again, Wayne is probably safest right now with Jack than anywhere else. Too bad we can't say the same about the bank owner, but Jack tried.

You know, it's only clicking with me now that Evelyn and her girl are most likely dead now... didn't place the whole 'Henderson was still alone afterwards' bit.

How much longer can President Logan keep up the ruse? Aaron suspects something, so does VP Gardner, Homeland Security Director Hayes, and it looks like Martha's starting to get suspicious too. How many of them will the Prez be forced to bump off to save himself?

Who would've thought that Logan's suddenly challenging Jack for the role of 'you're probably gonna die if you become/are close with this man.'

8 out of 10.

[solarflere]

I don't think thaty Heller will go after Logan himself, he will most likely get other supporters, like Garner on his side if he seriously wants to overtthrow the Persident. Next episode is gonna be intence.

And what ever happaned to Kim subplot and the German guy subplot?

[Terminatah]

And the 50% gas distribution plant girl had another good sattelite moment.You mean Sexual Harassment Shari.

-Terminatah

[Temple Fugate]

And what ever happaned to Kim subplot and the German guy subplot?They're done, at least for now. German Guy is probably in hiding somewhere after the nerve gas was taken care of. He no longer serves a purpose to anyone. Kim has run away like the smart girl she is. I'm banking they'll bring her back in somehow, probably by Henderson to use her as leverage against Jack.

[Spider-Man]

I'm having a hard time believing that President Logan is the big mastermind behind all of this. Maybe he has just been so convincing all day as a wimpering coward but this just isn't sitting right with me. I know the writers are going somewhere great with this but I still need a bit more convincing. Aside from that it was a pretty great episode although it looks like Chloe is going to get in a worse position and Audrey might be in trouble with those people trailing her and I'm still waiting for the Chinese government to find out Jack's alive. But it still is a gutsy choice to make the President the big bad guy of the season.

[Marn Hierogryph]

Heller: I know what you did and what you're going to do, and I'm here to put a stop to it. *Cue to a shocked Logan*

Can't wait for next week :D

[Martianinvader]

My newspaper's TV grid lied to me.

"24: Audrey and Chloe work together in field operations."

I was SO looking forward to seeing that....

[solarflere]

... and I'm still waiting for the Chinese government to find out Jack's alive. But it still is a gutsy choice to make the President the big bad guy of the season.Chinese subplot was this season, German subplot is this season, I have a feeling that the guy will make a surprice apearance when we least expect it.

[SirLemming]

I've heard that in the season premiere (when I get free time I'll have to re-watch it for myself), Audrey says President Logan placed her in CTU for the time being. Yet she's really starting to look like she can't be a traitor...

I almost forgot, there was one thing I took a bit of issue with... Jack blatantly allowed the banker guy to hear the evidence. That seemed kind of weird to me, seeing how it's, like, the most sensitive information in the world. If he hadn't gotten killed, that would've been a problem.

Kim has run away like the smart girl she is. I'm banking they'll bring her back in somehow, probably by Henderson to use her as leverage against Jack.
Yeah. Henderson supposedly looked after Kim while Jack was "dead'. I kind of forgot about "that Henderson" now that he's the villain... a few episodes ago he still almost looked like he could've been a fairly good guy. Something will probably come of that statement.

[solarflere]

I've heard that in the season premiere (when I get free time I'll have to re-watch it for myself), Audrey says President Logan placed her in CTU for the time being. Yet she's really starting to look like she can't be a traitor...There is no way Audry can be a traitor, just like you can rule out Chloe and Hellar.

[JohnCrichton]

Meeeehhh.... wasn't impressed by this episode. Evelyn, her daughter and the Bank Dude were three unnecessary innocent deaths they just didn't need to do.

I mean, I hope Evelyn and her daughter are alright, but I've a feeling all mention of them is going to be swept under the rug and the Bank guy.... did he need to be randomly and senselessly killed?

Too much time just to get a recording.

Still good, but by 24 standards, not as good.

[solarflere]

Still good, but by 24 standards, not as good.What, the ep was great. Tell me it wasn't you who votes 3 stars. :eek: :anime:

[Terminatah]

I almost forgot, there was one thing I took a bit of issue with... Jack blatantly allowed the banker guy to hear the evidence. That seemed kind of weird to me, seeing how it's, like, the most sensitive information in the world. If he hadn't gotten killed, that would've been a problem.Not really. Carl the bank owner would've heard about it along with the rest of the planet when Jack eventually brought Logan to justice. If anything, it's helpful that Carl heard the tape, because it substantiates the story Wayne and Jack just told him. But yes, it is moot anyway.

-Terminatah

[Azrael24]

first i wanna say that you seriously cant blame that little girl for calling 911, i felt terribly sorry for her when she started crying and even worse when her mom fell.

anyways, chloe needs to smack the heck out of that homeland guy. :mad:

audrey's pretty smart, i wouldnt have thought of that, although singing that paper/contract was pretty stupid

*****

[SirLemming]

What, the ep was great. Tell me it wasn't you who votes 3 stars. :eek: :anime:
I thought it was on-par but not spectacular. I'm sort of wondering why it's getting super-high praise. Not a whole lot really happened in it, which is fine, they need episodes like that now and then...

I think I voted 4 stars, I'm not sure. But 3 stars is hardly blasphemy.

[solarflere]

I thought it was on-par but not spectacular. I'm sort of wondering why it's getting super-high praise. Not a whole lot really happened in it, which is fine, they need episodes like that now and then...

I think I voted 4 stars, I'm not sure. But 3 stars is hardly blasphemy.But it was a great episode, it had firefights, it had revalations, conspiracy, treason, and so forth. It was a very good episode.

BTW, anyone remember a character named Curtis? He must be taking a lunch and bathroom break like a normal person :anime:.

[Temple Fugate]

But it was a great episode, it had firefights, it had revalations, conspiracy, treason, and so forth. It was a very good episode.Dude, lay off 'em. Giving 24 less than ***** isn't a sin.

BTW, anyone remember a character named Curtis? He must be taking a lunch and bathroom break like a normal person :anime:.He's chilling in the spa with Mike Novic.

[Burgundy Ranger]

So, this all means that the original plan of Logan was to let the Russian separatist militants have the nerve gas, take it to Russia, release it in Moscow and let ~250,000 Russians die? All while the Russian president was on U.S. soil to sign an anti-terror agreement?

[bigddan11]

Wll, I wasn't too impressed with the CTU plot in this episode, but I was impressed with jack and Wayne's actions. I also loved the end of the episode.
jack: You know what this means, don't you?
Audrey: Yes.
Jack: It means we're taking down the President of the United States!
that line allows me to give it 4 1/2 stars, but the CTU plot was basically a 2 1/2 star plot.

[Freedom Fighter]

I'm having a hard time believing that President Logan is the big mastermind behind all of this. Maybe he has just been so convincing all day as a wimpering coward but this just isn't sitting right with me. I know the writers are going somewhere great with this but I still need a bit more convincing. Aside from that it was a pretty great episode although it looks like Chloe is going to get in a worse position and Audrey might be in trouble with those people trailing her and I'm still waiting for the Chinese government to find out Jack's alive. But it still is a gutsy choice to make the President the big bad guy of the season.I completely understand where you're coming from. It was golden for him to play the 'coward' card to mask his true intentions, and technically, he's still playing it. Will this season be a bust if the writers don't address his intelligence with this plan? No, but it will raise questions. Nevertheless, we've just got to wait and see...I almost forgot, there was one thing I took a bit of issue with... Jack blatantly allowed the banker guy to hear the evidence. That seemed kind of weird to me, seeing how it's, like, the most sensitive information in the world. If he hadn't gotten killed, that would've been a problem.Not really. Carl the bank owner would've heard about it along with the rest of the planet when Jack eventually brought Logan to justice. If anything, it's helpful that Carl heard the tape, because it substantiates the story Wayne and Jack just told him. But yes, it is moot anyway.

-TerminatahFor some reason, this is one of those occurances where we need to infer that rule that says, 'Quickly bring someone into the fold, and then kill them.'

[Terminatah]

LOST fans will be happy to know that my David Fury conspiracy theory lives on. As you all know, this is the 3rd 24 episode written (or co-written) by David Fury, who used to write for LOST. And in every one, there has been a LOST reference:

1. 12:00PM - 1:00PM: While interrogating Walt Cummings, Jack produces a knife seemingly out of nowhere, Locke-style.
2. 3:00PM - 4:00PM: Thick black smoke pours out of the helicopter. Black smoke.
3. 11:00PM - 12:00AM: Jack and Wayne get the recording out of safety deposit box #23.

As always, these hidden references could be a total coincidence. But we hardcore fanatics know they are definitely not. :cool:

-Terminatah

[stwasm]

Meeeehhh.... wasn't impressed by this episode. Evelyn, her daughter and the Bank Dude were three unnecessary innocent deaths they just didn't need to do.

I mean, I hope Evelyn and her daughter are alright, but I've a feeling all mention of them is going to be swept under the rug and the Bank guy.... did he need to be randomly and senselessly killed?

Killing them off allows Fox to pay Keifer more of those big bucks he got this week.

[JohnCrichton]

What, the ep was great. Tell me it wasn't you who votes 3 stars. :eek: :anime:

I'm the one..... :sad:

I'm sorry, by any other show standards it was great, but by 24... by this season's standards... too much time not getting enough accomplished and too many innoncents unnecessarily getting killed. :P

[Lord Dalek]

LOST fans will be happy to know that my David Fury conspiracy theory lives on. As you all know, this is the 3rd 24 episode written (or co-written) by David Fury, who used to write for LOST. And in every one, there has been a LOST reference:

1. 12:00PM - 1:00PM: While interrogating Walt Cummings, Jack produces a knife seemingly out of nowhere, Locke-style.
2. 3:00PM - 4:00PM: Thick black smoke pours out of the helicopter. Black smoke.
3. 11:00PM - 12:00AM: Jack and Wayne get the recording out of safety deposit box #23.

As always, these hidden references could be a total coincidence. But we hardcore fanatics know they are definitely not. :cool:

-TerminatahYou missed the biggie...

Desmond working for German Intelligence.

[Marn Hierogryph]

The whole thing with the bank manager is a double-edged sword. He died, so people complain they kill everyone off. If he lived, I personally know a lot of people who would complain along the lines of "How could they let him go with such info!" or "What happened to the bank manager? The writer's are slipping!", and "If the bank manager doesn't play a key role later I'll never watch this show again!"

[Temple Fugate]

As always, these hidden references could be a total coincidence. But we hardcore fanatics know they are definitely not. :cool:

-TerminatahWhat other color of smoke would you expect a helicopter to emit? :p Not that I don't believe there are hidden Lost references in this season. In fact, before they got to box 23 I looked carefully at the keypad security code. It was 5-1-2-3-5. (Those numbers add up to 16.) Whether or not that's just a random cooincidence is in the same field of doubt as your black smoke helicopters.

Other Lost-24 character connections: Hurley's buddy Dave was in a previous season of 24. I can't remember who he played, though. That actor was also on West Wing in seasons 3 and 4 (on Bruno's re-election campaign staff), which also shares a lot of minor actors with 24. There's also Agent Baker (Lost's Jin) from seasons 2, 3 and 24: The Game of course.

[ClockStomper]

Why are people so shocked at Mossman dying?

In Season 1, someone who helped Jack would die in every episode. I remember going "Hey, it's Kiefer's old buddy Lou Diamond Phillips. I wonder how long it will be until he gets a bullet in the brain."

If anything, the death of Evalyn and her daughter was more disturbing, despite it being off-screen. It invalidates Henderson's claims of patriotism.

[Borg4of3]

Why are people so shocked at Mossman dying?

In Season 1, someone who helped Jack would die in every episode. I remember going "Hey, it's Kiefer's old buddy Lou Diamond Phillips. I wonder how long it will be until he gets a bullet in the brain."

If anything, the death of Evalyn and her daughter was more disturbing, despite it being off-screen. It invalidates Henderson's claims of patriotism.
I don't think it's really shock at his death, but disappointment - While Galentone makes perfect sense on why such a minor character shouldn't stick around, he was a very likable human minor character who was completely innocent of the scenario, deduced what was going on, and wanted to brave the dangers and help out despite the trickery and violations before. He was a cool one-shot character and it's a shame he died : (

Reminds me of Paulson from Day 1 - awesome CTU field agent who did his best to protect the safe house. Ah well..

[The Penguin]

We're close to the next one so I'll just leave it as my responding to others' comments and say that it's great seeing Secretary James Heller back in the fold!! :cool:

I'm having a hard time believing that President Logan is the big mastermind behind all of this. Maybe he has just been so convincing all day as a wimpering coward but this just isn't sitting right with me. I know the writers are going somewhere great with this but I still need a bit more convincing.Did you read the article I linked to in the opening? '24' prez pivots from weasel to evil (http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/news/2006-04-09-24-prez_x.htm) The big thing I took away from it was that when the season started, Gregory Itzin didn't know he was the bad guy.

So, this all means that the original plan of Logan was to let the Russian separatist militants have the nerve gas, take it to Russia, release it in Moscow and let ~250,000 Russians die? All while the Russian president was on U.S. soil to sign an anti-terror agreement?No, I believe the plan is still as Walt Cummings described it, he just wasn't actually in charge. The gas was supposed to go to the terrorist camp and be released there, wiping out the cell. It never would have made it to Moscow in theory.

If anything, the death of Evalyn and her daughter was more disturbing, despite it being off-screen. It invalidates Henderson's claims of patriotism.I'm sure Henderson views them as collateral damage, acceptable losses in the defense of his country and the President of the United States. Is he right? No, but when the wrong man wraps himself in patriotism, it will allow him to do a lot he wouldn't do otherwise.

[EinBebop]

Yeah. Henderson supposedly looked after Kim while Jack was "dead'. I kind of forgot about "that Henderson" now that he's the villain... a few episodes ago he still almost looked like he could've been a fairly good guy. Something will probably come of that statement.A statement Kim had made sent a red flag up: when they said they're not really sure what happened to Chase when he left Kim. I figured that made Chase a pretty big loose end, and have been waiting for him to pop his head out... I don't know why I didn't make the Henderson connection before now... Henderson has to have turned Chase.