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mr jinx
04-10-2006, 04:09 PM
Here is a little treatise I wrote on the movie industry, influence by this weeks The Wild. I think The Wild's development started before Madagascar, but it was way late to the theatres. Are there other offenders that I missed?

Is Noah in Charge of Movie Ideas?

Why are there 2 of every kind? And why do they always come out within a year of each other? It's one thing when the super hero genre becomes profitable, or science fiction films ride on the coattails of Star Wars. Capitalizing on the success of a big hit makes sense, but its another thing altogether when the films are based on such specific and similar ideas. All of a sudden asteroids are a big craze that everyone wants a double dose of!? Why? Often these films are in a race to get to the big screen, as if there is some desperate insatiable demand out there waiting to be fed. Lets examine some of the most blatant examples.

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Lets start with one of the worst offenders opening this week: Madagascar (2005) vs. The Wild (2006)
Granted, I haven't seen either, but I am not sure which one is which. Both seem to be about zoo animals that escape a New York zoo and travel to Africa for one reason or another. Both have a lion and giraffe, but I think only one has a koala and the other has some penguins. Really, this is probably the worst offender since the Go-Bots ripped off the Transformers. Noah would really like this pair since its full of animals, except that I don't know how well two male lions would do at propagating their species. I hear they are also making Madagascar 2, as if this tale really needs to be told 3 times. Some people may really be thrown though when they think they have already seen part 2 (assuming anyone actually sees The Wild).

A few years back, the threat of reality TV inspired the next showdown: The Truman Show (1998) vs. EdTV (1999)
Both were sort of "scary" possible futures for TV shows where peoples personal lives were invaded and made into TV shows. The only real difference was that Truman didn't know he was on while Ed did. I guess that tiny difference constitutes viable intellectual property. Ah what a genius spin. Little did we realize that pretty soon half of prime time would be shows making these "crazy" movie premises seem tame.

The end of the world: Armageddon (1998) vs. Deep Impact (1998)
To be fair, Armageddon was about an asteroid as compared to Impacts deadly comet. Other interesting differences, if a comet was destroyed as proposed in Deep Impact, the resulting debris would cause so much friction that the Earth's atmosphere would rise killing off all life-- even without the titular impact. Sadly, Armageddon was the more scientifically sound with the splitting of the mass to avoid Earth entirely. I am not making this up either, I heard it form a seminar at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratories. Its nice to know that people aren't too worried about death from big rocks anymore.

Insects had their 15 minutes with Antz (1998) vs. A Bug's Life (1998)
1998 was a real year in the creative doldrums I guess, this being the third pair of offenders that year. I guess it's unanimous that ants are the good guys of the insect kingdom, as both focus on a day in the life of our six-legged friends. I guess that is because ants aren't really gross (like spiders or grasshoppers), though they are pretty annoying when you find them in your picnic basket. I guess that we learn all we cared to about how bugs spend their time. Lucky us.

All of a sudden the ocean became mysterious with a triple threat: The Abyss (1989) vs. Leviathan (1989) vs. Deep Star Six (1989)
I am pretty sure all of these have aliens or monsters living in the ocean depths. I remember being bombarded by commercials for these three and really wondering why there were so many movies on the topic. Its been 17 years, aren't we about due for another journey to the deep? Maybe we will get 3 more all at the same time.

All the good ol' west: Tombstone (1993) vs. Wyatt Earp (1994)
So Wyatt Earp is a fairly interesting fellow, but he died in 1929. Is 64 years a good amount of time for an anniversary celebration?

Another animated showdown: Finding Nemo (2003) vs. Shark Tale (2004)
I am sure Troy McClure wouldn't complain of this fishy onslaught, but it was bit much for me. The ocean sure is wondrous, but its not big enough for quite so many fish stories.

Another disaster averted: Dante's Peak (1997) vs. Volcano (1997)
People in the 1990's loved looking for creative ways to die. From asteroids to volcanoes, nature had it out for mankind. Are we really worried that a stream of lava will be our doom? I always though Los Angelino's had to worry about earthquakes... As if that wasn't enough. Both movies were lame, so it's a good thing we got 2 of them.



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Lord Dalek
04-10-2006, 04:14 PM
Some other interesting ones to consider...

Mission to Mars and Red Planet (both 2000)
Independence Day and Mars Attacks (1996)
Speed and Blown Away (1994)

Conekiller
04-10-2006, 04:44 PM
Mars Attacks was more of a Spoof tho.

That's like putting Scream and Scary movie in the same context.

jlaking
04-10-2006, 04:47 PM
No one wanted to point out two treasure hunt movies:

National Treasure (2004) and Sahara (2005).

Patchwork
04-10-2006, 04:50 PM
Mars Attacks was more of a Spoof tho.

That's like putting Scream and Scary movie in the same context.

True, but wasn't Scream itself also sort of a spoof?

mr jinx
04-10-2006, 05:06 PM
No one wanted to point out two treasure hunt movies:

National Treasure (2004) and Sahara (2005).

yeah, i saw both of these over christmas break at my parents house. they are surprisingly alike, though National Treasure is worlds better.

Sandoz
04-10-2006, 05:12 PM
True, but wasn't Scream itself also sort of a spoof?It was, though you could make the argument that it was a legitimate horror movie in its own right since it "revived" the slasher/horror movie genre that Scary Movie spoofed.

The Weed Of Cri
04-10-2006, 07:54 PM
I'd include The Emperor's New Groove and The Road To El Dorado. Both were animated action/comedies set in indigenous South American societies.

Some may disagree with me, but I thought Ultraviolet had enough in common with its director's previous film, Equilibrium, to be a semi-sequel.

The similarities often show up on television, too. I thought the near-simultaneous debut of Threshold, Surface, and Invasion, to be a little coincidental.

mr jinx
04-10-2006, 09:29 PM
I'd include The Emperor's New Groove and The Road To El Dorado. Both were animated action/comedies set in indigenous South American societies.

Some may disagree with me, but I thought Ultraviolet had enough in common with its director's previous film, Equilibrium, to be a semi-sequel.

The similarities often show up on television, too. I thought the near-simultaneous debut of Threshold, Surface, and Invasion, to be a little coincidental.

that reminds me aeon flux and ultraviolet surely qualify, though both bombed.

RD!
04-10-2006, 10:16 PM
I'd include The Emperor's New Groove and The Road To El Dorado. Both were animated action/comedies set in indigenous South American societies.You're silly.

SirLemming
04-11-2006, 10:49 AM
Madagascar vs. The Wild? More like The Wild vs. every animated talking animal movie ever. I guess I understand because it's an ensemble of various wild animals rather than focusing on one specific group, but still, it seems so unremarkable in general.

As far as Antz vs. A Bug's Life, that was very odd. But it must have been a coincidence, because they took so long to make. In any case, the end results wound up being vastly different, but it was undeniably weird for them to come out so close together.

I've sort of felt that Treasure Planet wanted to be the next Titan A.E., though from a business standpoint that makes absolutely no sense.

Ultra Mike
04-11-2006, 10:56 AM
To CoastCityDude: They sorta revived the whole "kid in adult body" idea in "13 Going On 30", which wasn't nearly as succesful or remembered as "Big" but still did pretty well for what it was.

mr jinx
04-11-2006, 06:59 PM
One of the worst offenders in the Hollywood copycat syndrome has to be the boy-in-an-adult's-body riff that attacked theatregoers 3 times in a 9-month period between October 1987 and June 1988:

1) "Vice Versa" w/ Fred Savage & Judge Reinhold (kid swaps body with dad)

2) "Like Father, Like Son" w/ Kirk Cameron & Dudley Moore (ditto)

3) "Big" w/ Tom Hanks (kid wakes up in adult bod)

Now, before "Big" hit theatres, people were moaning about yet another
kid-in-an-adult-body flick, but the Tom Hanks movie (the last in the trend, yet) surprised audiences and was a huge success, taking in over $100 million and earning Hanks an Oscar nomination. Those other two flicks? Largely forgotten. Sometimes the third time is the charm. Or at least that's what Hollywood keeps telling itself with these endless copycat flicks!
i do remember this onslaught, but i did not realize they were THAT close together. amazingly, there was also 18 Again! in 1988 with George Burns and Charlie Schlatter.

The Weed Of Cri
04-11-2006, 07:46 PM
that reminds me aeon flux and ultraviolet surely qualify, though both bombed.

Funny you should say that. I have friends who, when they first saw the trailer for Ultraviolet, thought it was an early trailer for Aeon Flux 2 (except for one who recognized Milla Jovavich and thought it was a trailer for Resident Evil 3).

You're silly.

Would you like to explain why you think so, or is that asking too much? I think my comparison is valid, especially in light of the fact that, like most of the pairs mr. jinx mentioned in his opening post, one film is from Disney, and the other is from Dreamworks. I've noticed these similarities before and have long suspected that when Jeffrey Katzenberg jumped ship at Disney to join Dreamworks, he took with him a lot of ideas that were in various stages of production of pre-production.

RD!
04-11-2006, 09:24 PM
Would you like to explain why you think so, or is that asking too much?I GUESS you can. I think animated movies don't get cut enough slack because every year there's maybe 4 major animated films and they have anything in common it's easy to assume someone ripped someone off. I mean, there's like 6 cop dramas a year, now there's 10 ghost stories (which admittedly all get called ripoffs of the Ring, but you can follow the point).

I think the South American setting is just a coincidence really, from what I remember of Road to El Dorado the movies similarities pretty much end there.

Ajax
04-11-2006, 10:55 PM
Would you like to explain why you think so, or is that asking too much? I think my comparison is valid, especially in light of the fact that, like most of the pairs mr. jinx mentioned in his opening post, one film is from Disney, and the other is from Dreamworks. I have to agree with Strawberry Jam. That doesn't mean there copycat movies. Hell, Titanic and Speed 2 both took place on boats, but that doesn't make them similar. The Emperor's New Groove was about a spoiled prince who got turned into a lama. The Road to El Dorado was about two spanish idiots trying to find the Lost city of Gold...


..... Oh yeah, what a copycat.:rolleyes:

And IIRC, I don't think El Dorado ever really specified if it took place in S.A. or Mexico.

Martianinvader
04-12-2006, 03:03 AM
And I agree with both of them! Sorry, Cri. Groove is a flat-out comedy and El Dorado is...well, it tries to be many things and doesn't succeed in most of them (the animation was gorgeous though).

Hordesman
04-12-2006, 10:50 AM
I'd include The Emperor's New Groove and The Road To El Dorado. Both were animated action/comedies set in indigenous South American societies.

ENG took 5 years to make, most of which it had been a more dramatic movie called "Kingdom of the Sun".

El Dorado comes from the "Road To" movies with Hope, Crosby and Lamourr. Which makes me wonder why "Road to Perdition" didn't have one of those catchy opening songs? :p

I imagine some concepts did travel out of Disney when Katzenberg left but, particularly when CGI is concerned, I think similiar settings get used because of developments in the technology. A new program that makes water or fur look better is going to inspire projects around it.

Redi
04-12-2006, 07:30 PM
Not a movie.......but in 2002 there were 2 different TV shows(ABC and WB) about a 30something that travels back in time to relive his teenage years.

RD!
04-12-2006, 08:27 PM
:< I didn't mean to have the world jump on Weed Of Crime over ultimately two silly movies.

Ajax
04-13-2006, 02:32 AM
He broke the cardinal rule, he said his point was valid, and we can't have any of that on this board. :p

Bascially the three of us (apparently the whole world:anime: ) were just pointing out that you just can't group every movie that seems similar and call it a copycat.

Bones Justice
09-08-2006, 04:39 AM
The recent advert trailers for Hollywoodland and The Black Dahlia reminded me of this thread. I’m not sure if they count as copycats since I have not seen either film. I think both films are about real-life murder mysteries in California during the middle of the twentieth century. They may be quite different films but I can’t help but wonder about their similarities and the near timing of their releases.

Frank Castle
09-08-2006, 11:59 AM
The only two I can think of right now are The Fantastic Four (2005) and Zoom (2006).

Conan-san
09-08-2006, 12:05 PM
I'm not sure if this counts, but Oden: Starlgiht Mutiny was pritty Copycat of the Starship Yamatto series.

mr jinx
09-08-2006, 05:22 PM
The recent advert trailers for Hollywoodland and The Black Dahlia reminded me of this thread. I’m not sure if they count as copycats since I have not seen either film. I think both films are about real-life murder mysteries in California during the middle of the twentieth century. They may be quite different films but I can’t help but wonder about their similarities and the near timing of their releases.
i think it counts. i knew hollywoodland was coming, and when i saw the trailer for the black dahlia, at first i thought it was a new hollywoodland preview.

The only two I can think of right now are The Fantastic Four (2005) and Zoom (2006).

zoom was going to come out the within a month of X3 if not for a lawsuit by Fox. thats some serious copycating.

TheMecca
09-08-2006, 06:35 PM
The only two I can think of right now are The Fantastic Four (2005) and Zoom (2006). More like
The Incredibles (vaugely), Sky High, and Zoom.
Disney rips itself off
TWICE

Crash
09-08-2006, 09:32 PM
Since current movies have been brought up, how about 'The Illusionist' and 'The Prestige'? I've only seen comercials for the former and a single trailer for the latter and have no interest in either...But they seem like they could be similar.

Daikun
09-09-2006, 02:34 AM
More like
The Incredibles (vaugely), Sky High, and Zoom.
Disney rips itself off
TWICE

The Incredibles? No, I wouldn't put it with the other two.

Azrael24
09-09-2006, 06:25 PM
Zoom was TERRIBLE!!! so was sky high

but Incredibles was awesome even if it was a rip off!

tucsoncoyote
09-09-2006, 08:26 PM
It's Ironic we're talking "Copy Cats" here and in the Movie Industry (As well as the TV Industry there are always "Copy Cats"

But in my comment this isn't a Copy cat.. But rather a "Copy Snake!"

Everyone knows by now the over hyped, over talked about Snakes on a Plane.(2006) But Very few people know about it's Snakey Double, Snakes on a Train.(2006)


http://threeminds.organic.com/images/snakesandplanes_1.jpghttp://www.theasylum.cc/pictures/moviepics/snakesposter.jpg

Yes it's snakes, and they are on a Mode of Transportation but beyond that? One is where a Mafioso puts poisonous Snakes on a Flight from Hawaii to LA, the Other? A Mayan Curse where a set of snakes hatch in a young woman on a Train bound for LA. but as for the plot? Same...Snakes Kill people, end of story.

So there you go.. and whatever you do, Get those mu*********s Snakes off the Screen for ******* Sakes!

:coyote:

sun
09-09-2006, 09:44 PM
http://i.imdb.com/f9.gif
Mr. Bug Goes to Town (1941 (http://www.imdb.com/Sections/Years/1941))

http://ia.imdb.com/media/imdb/01/I/12/39/55m.jpg Directed by
Dave Fleischer (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0281487/)
(more) (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0033727/fullcredits#directors)

Writing credits
Dave Fleischer (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0281487/) (story) &
Dan Gordon (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0330106/) (story) This was said to be the first " full length musical comedy cartoon" by Paramount..........It lost so much money, according to IMBD.
that the studio owned by Max and Dave Fleisher was taken over by Paramount and renamed "Famous Studios.".... Max and Dave, true
pioneers in the industry, were out of work, and out of luck..even though they produced and directed countless classics, including Popeye, and Betty Boop. Dave also directed an outstanding series of "Superman" toons in the early forties...Some of which still stand up today..That is the movie busness...that is for sure.

R-Taco
09-09-2006, 09:56 PM
It's Ironic we're talking "Copy Cats" here and in the Movie Industry (As well as the TV Industry there are always "Copy Cats"

But in my comment this isn't a Copy cat.. But rather a "Copy Snake!"

Everyone knows by now the over hyped, over talked about Snakes on a Plane.(2006) But Very few people know about it's Snakey Double, Snakes on a Train.(2006)


http://threeminds.organic.com/images/snakesandplanes_1.jpghttp://www.theasylum.cc/pictures/moviepics/snakesposter.jpg

Yes it's snakes, and they are on a Mode of Transportation but beyond that? One is where a Mafioso puts poisonous Snakes on a Flight from Hawaii to LA, the Other? A Mayan Curse where a set of snakes hatch in a young woman on a Train bound for LA. but as for the plot? Same...Snakes Kill people, end of story.

So there you go.. and whatever you do, Get those mu*********s Snakes off the Screen for ******* Sakes!

:coyote:

Speaking of that particular movie studio:

http://www.typiskta.com/uploaded_images/kingkong-700770.jpg http://www.horrorchannel.com/img/Reviews/kingoflostworld.jpg

http://ffmedia.ign.com/filmforce/image/article/587/587139/war-of-the-worlds-20050211033408736boxart_160w.jpg http://www.acidlogic.com/graphics/reeladvice/warofworlds.jpg

http://ffmedia.ign.com/filmforce/image/article/681/681614/when-a-stranger-calls-20060117021014581boxart_160w.jpg http://www.horrorchannel.com/img/Reviews/whenakillercalls.jpg


I'd include "Pirates of Treasure Island" "666: The Child", and "The Da Vinci Treasure", but I couldn't find posters for those.

Daikun
09-14-2006, 03:05 AM
I found this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_with_similar_plots) on Wikipedia. It's a bigger list of copycat films, dating back to the 1960s.