C&C - Evangelion "The Beginning and the End," or "Knockin' on Heaven's Door" [3/30]

[Artimus Gigan]

I don't even care anymore, it's too much work to care...or use words
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Also Hideo Kojima admitted that Zone of The Enders was just a vehicle to launch the Metal gear Solid 2 Demo, and that the sequel and the series that came off it were just to appease the fans who foolishly fell in love with the original game...there will be no more ZOE, the ties will be left untied forever

into infinity


into...the twilight
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where we shall ride

[Duke]

I wonder what American Pace 2 has in store...

[Animeforever'04]

whats special for this episode tonight?

[BigBear]

whats special for this episode tonight?

Only the longest death scene I can remember

[Animeforever'04]

O_o; ummm kay.

[Gatomon41]

Wow, I miss one epsiode, and Askua goes nuts, Riskuo goes nuts, and a large chunk of Tokyo-3 seems to been destroyed. Wow.

Is it me, or does the Fifth Child sound alot like Kaji?

[Animeforever'04]

and thats Kaworui assume.

[Gatomon41]

Awkward....

Even more awkward....

Awkward does not even discribe this anymore....

[The Myst]

Dude, this is pretty ****ed up right here. </Stan>

[Beat]

Oh boy. That's just...oh boy...

[Gatomon41]

On the birght side. Shinji actually has someone liking him now. :p

[Animeforever'04]

jeeze what is this brokeback eva or what:confused:

[Duke]

Now you all know where those Kaworu/Shinji yaoi fics come from.

And even though I'll likely end up repeating it later, I'll say it here: Kaworu isn't a homosexual. His makeup gives him a general affection towards Shinji (as will be revealed later).

[The Myst]

So, is Karou like the male Rei? And he's gay? And what happened to Rei with all the dummy plugs being killed. Was she just a clone anyway?

WHAT THE **** IS GOING ON IN THIS SHOW!!!!????

I'm freakin' out man! This is some ol' bull**** and I'm losin' it!

[Scorpio_G]

And Shinji just experience every heterosexual man's worse nightmare.*




*Well, some hetrosexuals. :sweat:

[The Myst]

Now you all know where those Kaworu/Shinji yaoi fics come from.

And even though I'll likely end up repeating it later, I'll say it here: Kaworu isn't a homosexual. His makeup gives him a general affection towards Shinji (as will be revealed later).

He = Male Rei? Right?

And Unit 0 is Yui? Damn, I have so much trouble keeping up with this crazy ****.

[Animeforever'04]

So, is Karou like the male Rei? And he's gay? And what happened to Rei with all the dummy plugs being killed. Was she just a clone anyway?

WHAT THE **** IS GOING ON IN THIS SHOW!!!!????

I'm freakin' out man! This is some ol' bull**** and I'm losin' it!
stay the H#ll away from the movies ugh! X_X

[Gatomon41]

Gendo lost it. he's chatting with the Evas now... I guess you lose it when the 2001 Monoliths are trying to get you.

[The Myst]

And Shinji just experience every heterosexual man's worse nightmare.*




*Well, some hetrosexuals. :sweat:

That scene so could've turned into a South Park "Two Guys Naked In A Hot Tub" thing.

[Beat]

All they need now is to eat pudding.

[Duke]

He = Male Rei? Right?
In essence, but wait until the end of the episode. :P

And Unit 0 is Yui? Damn, I have so much trouble keeping up with this crazy ****.
Unit 01 is Yui, not Unit 00. It's commonly believed that Unit 00 is Ritsuko's Mom.

[Gatomon41]

Sweet, Ode To Joy!

So Karou is an Angel. interesting...

[Animeforever'04]

That scene so could've turned into a South Park "Two Guys Naked In A Hot Tub" thing. jeeze&crow thanks for mak'n me sick blech:ack:

wow seele is nothing but scum!

[The Myst]

I'm sad about that goodbye to Pen-Pen.

He's the last angel?

And what's up with Ritsuko? Has she just totally lost it? I think I'm with her.

[Scorpio_G]

No! Pen-Pen! :(

Now here's the bad ass part...kind of.:sweat:

Now why the hell would NERV let him become a EVA pilot. Sloppy.

[Duke]

Now why the hell would NERV let him become a EVA pilot. Sloppy.
Nobody at NERV, except likely Ritsuko and Gendo, knew he was an Angel until it was too late.

[Gatomon41]

This episode gets automatic 5 out of 5 for Ode to Joy.

Lilum?

So AT Fields are some sort of Mind Force Fleid, odd.

[The Myst]

Why is Shinji so upset? He's only known Karou for a day or so and in that time he's repeatedly come onto Shinji in awkward ways.

I forgot that Shinji pilots Unit 01. I thought he was Unit 00.

What are the souls in each Eva?

Karou has his own AT shield?

[Nimarmo]

Ah, A Clockwork Orange, how you have completely changed all the world's interpretation of Ode to Joy.

[A.Magik]

And thus ends my anime-manga comparisons. As noted last time, this comparison will be unfinished due to the lack of manga material. So far, the recent volume 9 only used parts of 23 and 24. I will write down what parts of 24 were adapted, and how some changes were made.

-Only most of the parts of the first act of this episode have been adapted so far.
-Yes, both anime and manga have Asuka’s mother hanging herself. The manga shows this scene as the climax of Asuka’s Angel mind-rape, the final revelation that breaks her.
-The manga does not have Asuka lying dazed in a tub in a wrecked building. Manga Asuka is already in her catatonic state at the hospital right after her mind-rape.
-Kaoru appears much earlier in the manga. Shortly after Shinji gets absorbed into Unit 01, the manga shows a naked Kaoru in a huge tube like Rei, referred to as Tabris by SEELE. Thus, the manga blows Kaoru’s identity on first appearance.
-In the manga, Shinji first meets Kaoru shortly after Kaji’s death. It is manga Kaoru (not anime Rei) who tells Asuka about her synching problems (in the ladies bathroom, which nearly gets him punched out by the girl, who recognizes him as her replacement). He is also with Shinji at the Command Center during Asuka’s mind-rape (informing Shinji that any assistance would put him in the same boat as Asuka).
-How Shinji meets Kaoru is different in the manga. Reluctantly heading for school for the first time before Toji’s death, Shinji sees a kitten and holds it. He then hears music. Heading to its source, an abandoned church, he sees Kaoru playing Ode to Joy on a piano (he doesn’t just hum the piece in the anime). Kaoru recognizes Shinji by his school uniform, then asking about the cat. Shinji puts the kitten down, but the animal has become attached to him. The boy tries to shoo it away, promising no food. Kaoru solves the situation by picking the kitten up and strangling it to death! (foreshadow!)
Shinji is horrified. Kaoru explains that no one was going to feed it. It would have died slowly. So what he did was a kinder fate. Shinji finds a similar feeling to this boy the way he thought of Rei. Kaoru then introduces himself as the fifth child.
He nonchalantly asks to follow Shinji to school. At the grounds, Shinji spots Kensuke and Hikari at the window and runs away (From afar, Kensuke notes Kaoru and finds him creepy).
Shinji attempts to leave (doesn’t want to face his classmates), only to find Kaoru wants to follow him to NERV. Shinji is angry that this kid pressured him to head for school for nothing, and he is even more uncomfortable about the way Kaoru gets close to him.
-Unlike his anime counterpart, manga Kaoru is capable of more expressions than just nonchalant happy and serious. He also displays surprise and puzzlement.
-In the anime, Kaoru meets with the 3nd Rei. In the manga, due to his earlier appearance, he is able to share his words with the 2nd Rei. He comments that he thought she was heftier. He mentions their similarity, but 2nd Rei responds that they are not the same.
-Ritsuko is present at Kaoru’s synching with Unit 02.
-The manga adds a scene where Kaoru is met by SEELE shortly after Gendo. The SEELE blocks surrounding him are angry that Kaoru didn’t inform them about Gendo’s execution of the Spear of Longinus beforehand. Kaoru replies that it would have been awkward if he attempted to stop him. He further asks about the dangers of his presence here being detected. SEELE orders him to continue sending information about Gendo and the Third Child. Kaoru finds the latter rather fascinating, noting the way Shinji makes a big deal worrying about everyone else. SEELE block 01 mentions that is a trait of humanity. Once the plan is executed, it will be from that trait that they all shall be free.
-Whereas anime Shinji is somewhat drawn to Kaoru, manga Shinji is completely freaked out by his overtures.
-Thus the bathing scene gets a different portrayal in the manga. Shinji is taking a shower, moping about his apparent uselessness in saving Asuka as well as his EVA being still inactive. Suddenly, he realizes someone else is in the shower stall. To his horror, it is a nude Kaoru. Shinji screams for him to get out, but Kaoru needs some soap. He nonchalantly moves closer, forcing Shinji’s back to the wall. He stares at Shinji, his front closely facing the boy’s front, much to the latter’s discomfort (hope neither of them gets turned on at this moment). Kaoru asks why Shinji is so adverse about his close presence, but always willing to lay a hand on him when upset. Shinji replies that it’s uncomfortable being near someone he doesn’t like. So, asks Kaoru, does Shinji not like him? Shinji replies that he could never like him. He runs out of the stall. Getting dressed, Shinji wishes the kid didn’t exploit him like everybody else.
-In the manga, Misato’s talk with Hyuga about the fifth child occurs on a road just when the 14th Angel appears.
-Unlike his anime counterpart, Manga Kaoru gets some action as an EVA pilot. He helps Rei fight the 14th Angel, using a rifle and a dual saw weapon.

A.Magik

[The Myst]

Nobody at NERV, except likely Ritsuko and Gendo, knew he was an Angel until it was too late.

And Ritsuko is too confused and insane with all that's going on in this show that she couldn't warn them. I'm in the same boat.

[Gatomon41]

Were did they go?: To Moria apprently.

[Duke]

Why is Shinji so upset? He's only known Karou for a day or so and in that time he's repeatedly come onto Shinji in awkward ways.
Because he's the only friend Shinji has anymore.

What are the souls in each Eva?
Unit 00 - Ritsuko's Mom
Unit 01 - Yui
Unit 02 - Watch End of Eva

Karou has his own AT shield?
Everybody in the Eva-verse does, most people just don't know how to use it.

[Gatomon41]

So the big Angel is really Lilith? Wow.

What does that mean?

[Nimarmo]

Elevator scene part 2 coming up....

[TnAdct1]

Kaworu: Oh, somebody kill me please. Kill me. I want to die. :D :D :D

[Scorpio_G]

Dude What The **** Is That!?! Somebody Please Explaine!

[Beat]

Uh...aren't you gonna do something?

[NahMan85]

Man he'd better not get any ideas with Shinji being on the floor. WHY IN THE BLUE HELL did Shinji still go with that guy even after saying he loved him. :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
Man I...just...don't ...know...what...to say anymore...**** MAN kill him already.

[Duke]

So the big Angel is really Lilith? Wow.

What does that mean?
That the big Angel is the 2nd Angel, not Adam. Adam's still an embryo, and if you want to know where it is, watch the movies.

The reason humans are called Lillian are because we were born from Lillith, not Adam.

[Gatomon41]

What's with the still shot? Did they run out of money?

[Nimarmo]

and cut!

[Duke]

What's with the still shot? Did they run out of money?
Yep. Thanks to the bloodbaths earlier. Didn't you notice all the repeated animation?

And because the censors got pissed at Anno, we get these final 2 episodes instead of his planned ending (which nobody ever got).

[Gatomon41]

That epsiode made no sense, but good development. So the angels are gone, but it's apprently not the end yet. good use of Ode to Joy.

[The Myst]

I thought 02 would be Asuka's mom or something.

Also, I know it's quite a bit to ask but can anybody tell me what has happened in the past few episodes? Just what's happened since Kaji died. I think I'm clear before then. And I'm pretty clear on the flashback episode with the origins of NERV.

Things I'm confused about especially are the death of the dummy plug Rei's, Shinji's mom (What exactly happened to her?), and what was up with the whole Ritsuko's mom strangling Rei thing? Also, pretty much all of this episode and last week's episode are confusing me.

As for Karou's death... dizzamn.

I'm so confuzzled. And I understand Paranoia Agent entirely so this shocks me.

[Scirel]

So is it ok to watch this EoE DVD that I just rented now?

The story will continue where this ep left off?

[djthomp]

And because the censors got pissed at Anno, we get these final 2 episodes instead of his planned ending (which nobody ever got).
Was any info about his planned ending ever leaked? Or maybe released in one of the books folks have occasionally mentioned in these threads?

[Gatomon41]

Yep. Thanks to the bloodbaths earlier. Didn't you notice all the repeated animation?)
Explains why the last Angel fight didn't seem as epic as the others.

And because the censors got pissed at Anno, we get these final 2 episodes instead of his planned ending (which nobody ever got

Hmm, I wonder how Anno would have really wanted to end.

[Beat]

If anyone here has their copies of End of Evangelion, now is the time to watch them. And that sound? It's just your sanity walking out the door.

[The Myst]

Wait, so we don't even get the real ending in EoE or the next two episodes!? What the ****!? What a ****ing cop-out! This is almost as bad as Inuyasha ending without anything being resolved.

[Zam]

Sooooo... he rejected Misato's hand, but didn't bother him Kaworu's hand mmmmmm.....:ack:

Do you think that Shinji is insecure of his own sexuallity?

[Gatomon41]

Was any info about his planned ending ever leaked? Or maybe released in one of the books folks have occasionally mentioned in these threads?

Maybe Anno's notes will be aviable to us, giving us clues in how it might have really ended.

[The Myst]

Sooooo... he rejected Misato's hand, but didn't bother him Kaworu's hand mmmmmm.....:ack:

Do you think that Shinji is insecure of his own sexuallity?

I think Shinji is just totally ****ed up. Like this entire show. I lost my mind weeks ago watching this thing.

[Beat]

Sooooo... he rejected Misato's hand, but didn't bother him Kaworu's hand mmmmmm.....:ack:

Do you think that Shinji is insecure of his own sexuallity?

I thought that was obvious at this point. Dammit, someone needs to make a "Brokeback EVA" macro.

[Steiner]

And because the censors got pissed at Anno, we get these final 2 episodes instead of his planned ending (which nobody ever got).

I though EOE was the originally planned ending; as much of a mind-f@#k that it is?

[Scorpio_G]

If anyone here has their copies of End of Evangelion, now is the time to watch them. And that sound? It's just your sanity walking out the door.

Then I shall rent this at my local college libary, tommorow or saturday. I've seen all the eppisodes after Kaji's death when The Anime Network was ONDEMEND.

It's really great that I understand what is the whole story of NGE. We'll sort of. I'm slightly confused but I understand a lot more.

BTW, should we have a talkback on the movies here on TZ? It'll be really cool. And our brains can melt togeather. :anime:

[A.Magik]

-Now what song would you consider a better replacement for Kaoru to sing instead of this piece by Beethoven? What song would I consider the achievement of Lilum culture? Two words: Dancing Queen.
-Does anyone get the chills when Ritsuko mentions Gendo making love to her?
-Man you have to feel for Shinji! Losing so many of his friends, afraid to care again, and then he meets someone who opens his heart…only to find out he’s an Angel. His reaction is memorable.
-As this series has been broadcast, I’ve wondered about the general dislike for Shinji. I'm getting the idea that it has less to do with his being a wimp, then the fact that he comes a little too close to home for many of us. Here’s a 13 year old expected and ordered to risk his life fighting powerful forces, and he doesn’t like it one bit. Would our reactions be any different if we were in Shinji’s place? Add to that the tragedies that befall Shinji throughout the series. I’d suspect a lot of us would be feeling just like Shinji does at EoE (and I don’t include a certain scene with Asuka). However, very few of us want to admit to having such human weaknesses. So we hate Shinji to deny the possible truth that we are just like him.
-AWW! I love that scene when Shinji blushes in his encounter with Kaoru. So cute! Anyone care to place an image of it?
-Does anyone think Shinji and Kaoru actually did it? Probably. It would make Shinji’s feeling of betrayal all the more shattering to him.
-Oh, BTW, there is a scene deleted from the broadcast version (I think) showing Gendo’s hand grafted with the Adam embryo Kaji delivered to him in episode 8.

A.Magik

[NahMan85]

And that sound? It's just your sanity walking out the door.
And how. But that happened the moment this show aired its first ep. At least for me it did.

[Tenku]

Well, my sanity has offically left. *waves it goodbye*

That was the longest death/awkward pause I have ever witnessed. And check it, it was only a minute long.

So, the bridge to the two endings open; End of Evangelion, or eps 25 and 26.

I do hope we get the movie too. What fun that'll be.

[Jack Frenzy]

-Now what song would you consider a better replacement for Kaoru to sing instead of this piece by Beethoven? What song would I consider the achievement of Lilum culture? Two words: Dancing Queen.
A.Magik
If you're going to invoke ABBA, wouldn't "Knowing Me, Knowing You" be more appropriate for the episode?

[TnAdct1]

I though EOE was the originally planned ending; as much of a mind-f@#k that it is? My theory on EOE:

First half: what was originally planned for episode 25 (watch the next episode to see why I say that)
Second half: Anno's way of saying "**** you" to those people who hated the ending to the TV series.

[The Myst]

-Does anyone get the chills when Ritsuko mentions Gendo making love to her?
-As this series has been broadcast, I’ve wondered about the general dislike for Shinji. I'm getting the idea that it has less to do with his being a wimp, then the fact that he comes a little too close to home for many of us. Here’s a 13 year old expected and ordered to risk his life fighting powerful forces, and he doesn’t like it one bit. Would our reactions be any different if we were in Shinji’s place? Add to that the tragedies that befall Shinji throughout the series. I’d suspect a lot of us would be feeling just like Shinji does at EoE (and I don’t include a certain scene with Asuka). However, very few of us want to admit to having such human weaknesses. So we hate Shinji to deny the possible truth that we are just like him.
-Does anyone think Shinji and Kaoru actually did it? Probably. It would make Shinji’s feeling of betrayal all the more shattering to him.
-Oh, BTW, there is a scene deleted from the broadcast version (I think) showing Gendo’s hand grafted with the Adam embryo Kaji delivered to him in episode 8.

A.Magik

When did Ritsuko say she had sex with Gendo? I must've missed that. Makes sense though.

For me, I don't like Shinji because he's a wimp and because I would've never gone this far anyway. I said this when the first episode aired. The minute Gendo asked me to hop in a giant robot to fight angels, I'd say "Hell no, you ****ing psycho!" and I'd walk out of there. None of this would ever happen to me because unlike Shinji I'm not loyal or desperate for acceptance. I would've never regretted walking out on that crazy ****. I will admit though that if they told me that there was no other way and the world was gonna end if I didn't fight the angel, I would just go for it since I was gonna die either way. But I know I wouldn't be freaking out like Shinji because when you're staring death in the face, it really doesn't matter whether you stayed behind and went for it if you lose.

Probably. This is ripe for parody.

... What the ****? Grafted Adam onto his hand?!

[LiquidXIR]

The Myst: The TV ending and the movie ending are both "complete" in a sense. You can see one and feel concluded and not have seen the other but they both work in tandom too. Unlike Inuyasha's ending which...didn't end, at all

And my theory on Kaworu/Shinji thing, he really was the only person ever to give him a compliment on his nature as a human being, just not some expendable piece of meat that could run a robot around. All the compliments he recieves in this series is about his work, not HIM. That's why he took such offense to it.

[Nimarmo]

My theory on EOE:

First half: what was originally planned for episode 25 (watch the next episode to see why I say that)
Second half: Anno's way of saying "**** you" to those people who hated the ending to the TV series.

That seems to be a common interpretation. But if true, then I think he failed. Or at least, I hated the TV ending but thought the EoE conclusion was great (except for the last couple of minutes, which I guess ties it well with my dislike of EoE's first couple of minutes).

[LiquidXIR]

... What the ****? Grafted Adam onto his hand?!

It's in the directors cut of one of these last four episodes, I forget which and will be seen more clearly in the movie

[The Myst]

My theory on EOE:

First half: what was originally planned for episode 25 (watch the next episode to see why I say that)
Second half: Anno's way of saying "**** you" to those people who hated the ending to the TV series.

So basically, he's saying **** you to people who hated an ending he only made because he couldn't make the real ending, and now he's saying **** you to all the people who thought they would get the real ending with EoE as well just to **** with people?

Wow, Anno sounds like a fantastic guy.

[Animeforever'04]

a pic of my brain after eva tonight

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[Scorpio_G]

Sooooo... he rejected Misato's hand, but didn't bother him Kaworu's hand mmmmmm.....:ack:

Do you think that Shinji is insecure of his own sexuallity?

You have to remember a few things. For one Shinji's an adolecent, and from science and psycology we learn that an adolecent brain is extreamly different from an adult in terms of development and fuction so even if we take out all the negative factors in Shinji's life he would still be screwed up in the head.

Secondly, Karou was probably the first person other than his mother in Shinji's life to reach out to him without fufilling their own agenda (Gendo, Shinji's friends, whomever) or to satisfy or sooth their own Ego/inner conflicts (Misato, Auska whatever) in a long time. I think if any person, regardless of sex, who had deep affection toward Shinji and actually said it to him would make Shinji care for him/her. And Shinji wanted a companion or friend. All of his aquantances are gone now and I doubt any of them will come in contact with him again. Who would want to hang out with a disturb kid?

[The Myst]

What game is that?

Also, I know both are real conclusions but they aren't the original REAL real ending.

Then again, that one might suck.

[LiquidXIR]

The EOE was a F-you to the fans theory has been disproven alot of times, in episode 25, watch the storyboard clips at the end, many of them are the same as what appears in the movie. He just ran out of money, now was it going to be as severe was it is, maybe maybe not no one will ever know..but the overall effect was never in question

[Nimarmo]

For me, I don't like Shinji because he's a wimp and because I would've never gone this far anyway. I said this when the first episode aired. The minute Gendo asked me to hop in a giant robot to fight angels, I'd say "Hell no, you ****ing psycho!" and I'd walk out of there. None of this would ever happen to me because unlike Shinji I'm not loyal or desperate for acceptance. I would've never regretted walking out on that crazy ****. I will admit though that if they told me that there was no other way and the world was gonna end if I didn't fight the angel, I would just go for it since I was gonna die either way. But I know I wouldn't be freaking out like Shinji because when you're staring death in the face, it really doesn't matter whether you stayed behind and went for it if you lose.


Personally, I rarely relate to Shinji (thank goodness), but I don't dislike him. Yeah, he can be extremely whiny and cringing, and I wouldn't want to spend an entire episode in his head (...), but mostly I feel sorry for him. He truly and completely hates himself.

[The Myst]

You have to remember a few things. For one Shinji's an adolecent, and from science and psycology we learn that an adolecent brain is extreamly different from an adult in terms of development and fuction so even if we take out all the negative factors in Shinji's life he would still be screwed up in the head.

Secondly, Karou was probably the first person other than his mother in Shinji's life to reach out to him without fufilling their own agenda (Gendo, Shinji's friends, whomever) or to satisfy or sooth their own Ego/inner conflicts (Misato, Auska whatever) in a long time. I think if any person, regardless of sex, who had deep affection toward Shinji and actually said it to him would make Shinji care for him/her. And Shinji wanted a companion or friend. All of his aquantances are gone now and I doubt any of them will come in contact with him again. Who would want to hang out with a disturb kid?

If only he had taken my advice and just told his dad to go to hell. Maybe then he wouldn't be so lonely. >_>

[The Myst]

The EOE was a F-you to the fans theory has been disproven alot of times, in episode 25, watch the storyboard clips at the end, many of them are the same as what appears in the movie. He just ran out of money, now was it going to be as severe was it is, maybe maybe not no one will ever know..but the overall effect was never in question

So EoE... is what he had in mind for the original ending?

[TnAdct1]

... What the ****? Grafted Adam onto his hand?! It's all part of his plan: with Adam infused to his hand and Rei assimilating with Lillith, Gendou would have total control of what happens in Human Instrumentality, thus succeeding in his plan to reunite with wife.

[The Myst]

Personally, I rarely relate to Shinji (thank goodness), but I don't dislike him. Yeah, he can be extremely whiny and cringing, and I wouldn't want to spend an entire episode in his head (...), but mostly I feel sorry for him. He truly and completely hates himself.

And seemingly everyone around him except Kowaru.

[The Myst]

It's all part of his plan: with Adam infused to his hand and Rei assimilating with Lillith, Gendou would have total control of what happens in Human Instrumentality, thus succeeding in his plan to reunite with wife.

So basically:
this is all just one giant plan to bring back his dead wife or to reunite with her in some way? Shades of FMA dance in my head. >_>

[LiquidXIR]

So EoE... is what he had in mind for the original ending?

Yeah, definetely was. As you can tell by the last few episodes cash was gone, man some parts of the next two episodes are done in marker and color pencil. This was the best they could do and the TV ending is a real ending too...it works well in conjunction with EoE as the mental aspect and the movie as the physical, whats going on outside part

[Nimarmo]

And seemingly everyone around him except Kowaru.

He hates himself and thinks everyone else hates him as well. As mentioned above, Kowaru is the only one who has expressed affection for Shinji as a person.

[Animeforever'04]

So basically:
this is all just one giant plan to bring back his dead wife or to reunite with her in some way? Shades of FMA dance in my head. >_>
why don't he just blow his brains out instead, jeeze& crow! @_X

[TnAdct1]

The EOE was a F-you to the fans theory has been disproven alot of times, in episode 25, watch the storyboard clips at the end, many of them are the same as what appears in the movie. He just ran out of money, now was it going to be as severe was it is, maybe maybe not no one will ever know..but the overall effect was never in question As I mentioned in my earlier post, I did mention that the first half of the movie was what Anno originally had in mind for episode 25 (but had to abort due to lack of money and the violence content), with the storyboards as proof. However, the part where Anno says "F-you" to the fans doesn't start until after the sequence where everyone turns to Gatorade.

[The Myst]

Yeah, definetely was. As you can tell by the last few episodes cash was gone, man some parts of the next two episodes are done in marker and color pencil. This was the best they could do and the TV ending is a real ending too...it works well in conjunction with EoE as the mental aspect and the movie as the physical, whats going on outside part

Is that why there's been so many black and white scenes and those various scenes of just text? And of course the long parts with the same animation in this episode and the last two or three.

There are actually scenes in just marker and colored pencils? Dizzamn. He really was out of money.

[The Myst]

why don't he just blow his brains out instead, jeeze& crow! @_X

Why didn't Ed and Al just do that? >_>

[LiquidXIR]

You think so TnA? Not asking sarcastically, I thought the movie got alot more calm after that. That sequence was after most of the rough violence had ended

[Scorpio_G]

If only he had taken my advice and just told his dad to go to hell. Maybe then he wouldn't be so lonely. >_>

That would be impossible because that is Shinji's greatest inner conflict: Longing to be accepted by his peers. Hell, this is a big chunk of the plot of the show! :D It isnt about the Evas or the Angles. That's just eye candy to pull in the viewers. The REAL story is about the inner conflicts of two groups of people. The adults who suffered a tragic event and the children who sufer the upbringing of the adults.

It's like the poem written by Philip Larkin This Be The Verse edited for vulgar words of course:

They **** you up, your mom and dad
They may not mean to, but they do.
They fill you with the faults they had
And add some extra, just for you.

But they were ****ed up in their turn
By fools in old-stylen hats and coats,
Who half the time were soppy-stern
And half at one another's throats.

Man hands on misery to man
It deepens like a coastal shelf.
Get out as early as you can
And don't have any kids yourself.

[Animeforever'04]

Why didn't Ed and Al just do that? >_>
i'm just saying that 'cause i hate gendo that jerk!

[The Myst]

i'm just saying that 'cause i hate gendo that jerk!

*Looks at your avatar.* >_>

[Brent Long]

The edit list is up in the thread.

[Zam]

So the last 2 episodes is the result of lack of cash rather than originality?

Ironic that this influenced heavily a lot of later Animes.

[Strollymonster]

i'm just saying that 'cause i hate gendo that jerk!

*casts withering glare into Animeforever04's soul*

You do no justice to the League of Gendo Avatars :evil:

This was a great lead-in to EoE. I'll probably end up watching it tomorrow...

[Scorpio_G]

So the last 2 episodes is the result of lack of cash rather than originality?

Ironic that this influenced heavily a lot of later Animes.

Nesessity is the greatest form of invention as they say, in this case I thought it was a nice 'artsy' touch when I first watched it. Eventhough I had no idea what was going on.

[Zam]

I thought it was a nice 'artsy' touch when I first watched it. Eventhough I had no idea what was going on.

That happened to lots of people. :)

[TnAdct1]

You think so TnA? Not asking sarcastically, I thought the movie got alot more calm after that. That sequence was after most of the rough violence had ended Two things you have to consider here when people consider the second half of the film to be Anno's way of geting back at the fans who hated the TV ending:
1. The scenes that take place during Human Instrumentality are just as confusing as the last two episodes of the TV series (with some people considering it to even more confusing than the TV series);
2. Unlike the ending to the TV show, the ending to the movie is not only very bleak (whereas the TV show is somewhat happy), but it ends at what could be considered a very awkward spot.
As for my personal opinion on the show, after hearing both theories about the film (the intended ending vs. Anno's revenge) and seeing Death and Rebirth and EOE (although I made the big mistake of watching EOE BEFORE I got the general gist of the TV show), I, as my comments suggest, personally believe that the film is a combination of both theories.

Of course, you also have to keep in mind that I'm really that much of an EVA fan.

[AlienOmega]

If anyone here has their copies of End of Evangelion, now is the time to watch them. And that sound? It's just your sanity walking out the door.Pffft, I killed that little f**ker long ago. :evil:

Also, about the last angel being grown in a tube like Rei, does that mean that SEELE created the angels or what?

[Zam]

Pffft, I killed that little f**ker long ago. :evil:

Also, about that guy being grown in a tube like Rei, does that mean that SEELE created the angels or what?

Yeah, any theories of what are exactly the angels?

[Nimarmo]

EoE

[Spike Mcdougal]

What episode number was this? I assume we're coming to the end

[Zam]

EoE

Already watched and it's somewhat vague.:sad:

[RAINMAN]

The Myst: The TV ending and the movie ending are both "complete" in a sense. You can see one and feel concluded and not have seen the other but they both work in tandom too. Unlike Inuyasha's ending which...didn't end, at all

And my theory on Kaworu/Shinji thing, he really was the only person ever to give him a compliment on his nature as a human being, just not some expendable piece of meat that could run a robot around. All the compliments he recieves in this series is about his work, not HIM. That's why he took such offense to it.


So you have to come out and tell shinji how you fell about him to because his friend? This entire ep`s felt rush. Kaworu/shinj thing felt so wack. Shinj reletionship whit toji was much belabile then this.

[LiquidXIR]

Well, no, not necessarily...like you mentioned he was friends with Toji and Kensuke too, but that took alot longer for trust to build up. Kaworu was different in the fact he complimented HIM not just his abilities. There is a world of difference to Shinji who has a need to feel justified for his existence..not just what he brings to a table as he is used throughout this series because of his connection to the Eva, not whether he is a good person or not

[Vallen Valiant]

Yeah, any theories of what are exactly the angels?

There are official facts, but it's better off that you don't know.

The truth is often less spectacular than you think. Enough to say that human's worst enemies are still humans, so Angels aren't really that important.

[Rolling Cloud]

To answer everyone's questions, it goes:

25 TV then End of Evangelion.

[Timmay]

Well.. the manga hasn't ended yet.. maybe we'll see a good version of the ending from that.

[Duke]

That seems to be a common interpretation. But if true, then I think he failed. Or at least, I hated the TV ending but thought the EoE conclusion was great (except for the last couple of minutes, which I guess ties it well with my dislike of EoE's first couple of minutes).
Well, if he didn't get a gazillion death threats after the TV ending (many of which were shown in EoE), the original ending would've been used.

[SS4goku]

I thin this episode is kinda weird when he's like "I love you", weird, but what's even werider was when shinji likes "He told me he loved me, and well I like him to".:eek:

[Kamaria]

I don't think the movie was fully intended for revenge. Hideaki Anno wouldn't have made the movie without at least putting somewhat of what he generally wanted from the original script. Plus, they got a bigger budget, so he was able to do things he wouldn't have been able to do in a TV Ending alone.

Still though, I'm sure an original copy of episode 26's script is floating around in Anno's house or something...

[Lord Dalek]

God I love this episode...

All right time for The Dalek's take on the "Which is Canon?" argument. Basically they both are and I'll explain why in a few weeks.

[SS4goku]

So is safe to consider that shinji is gayu or at least bisexual.

[Beat]

If End of EVA is any indication, Shinji isn't gay.

[Speedy Boris]

"Nobody wants to hear me complain, except that gray-haired guy I killed." :D
What game is that? Lemmings.

[Tash]

...I thought that there were 18 Angels. I wanted the last one to be a huge thing that's really hard to kill, but the way the show has been going, Shinji would probably have been the last one. Instead, the last one had to be the Man-Rei. Oh well.

Darn Eva. Why couldn't you have been about giant robots killing stuff?

[Sheamon]

Yeah, definetely was. As you can tell by the last few episodes cash was gone, man some parts of the next two episodes are done in marker and color pencil. This was the best they could do and the TV ending is a real ending too...it works well in conjunction with EoE as the mental aspect and the movie as the physical, whats going on outside part

The TV ending a real ending? LoL. Worst ending in anime history if you ask me. Renders the first 24 episodes practically useless, and its message that Shinji has worth without the Eva contradicts the rest of the series

As for EOE being part Anno's revenge, bull. Read my essay on the matter here: http://www.evamonkey.com/writings_shea06.php You seem to forget that much of what became EOE was in production before outcry on the series became so absurd. Its not like at the last minute Anno decided to change things around to say "screw you fans" because people liked the ending that he didn't even want to do in the first place, but was forced to due to budgetary and censorship issues.

[Sandoz]

...I thought that there were 18 Angels. I wanted the last one to be a huge thing that's really hard to kill, but the way the show has been going, Shinji would probably have been the last one.
There is an 18th Angel, as revealed in EoE. As for a huge "hard to kill" Angel...Lilith isn't going to stay on that cross forever. ;)

[LiquidXIR]

The TV ending a real ending? LoL. Worst ending in anime history if you ask me. Renders the first 24 episodes practically useless, and its message that Shinji has worth without the Eva contradicts the rest of the series

I disagree personally, I think that's what I liked best about it because I felt he did deserve that closure for himself. His whole quest in the first 24 episodes was trying to confirm that or not. It's one of those issues that doesn't have a right answer, in my opinion anyway.

And I agree with you about EoE, don't know if that was addressed to me

[Vagrant]

If End of EVA is any indication, Shinji isn't gay.
Nah, he's bi. :D

[Scorpio_G]

Nah, he's bi. :D

Shinji's just broadening his game. :p

[Artimus Gigan]

Shinji's just broadening his game. :p
Girlfriend of Steel says otherwise

[Strollymonster]

...I thought that there were 18 Angels. I wanted the last one to be a huge thing that's really hard to kill, but the way the show has been going, Shinji would probably have been the last one. Instead, the last one had to be the Man-Rei. Oh well.

Darn Eva. Why couldn't you have been about giant robots killing stuff?

Seriously, how many episodes DIDN'T involve giant robot-looking things killing stuff?

As for the 18th Angel, it's much closer to home than you might suspect.

As endings go, I personally feel that both versions are good, but they're best if you take them as compliments of each other. I saw EoE a long time before I watched the TV ending, but the TV ending spelled things out a lot more clearly. I understood a lot more of EoE after watching the TV ending.

I can understand why Anno got so much hate mail, though...it would have been hard to swallow if there hadn't been EoE to come after it.

[Lord Dalek]

Girlfriend of Steel says otherwiseGoS II you mean.

[Vallen Valiant]

...I thought that there were 18 Angels. I wanted the last one to be a huge thing that's really hard to kill, but the way the show has been going, Shinji would probably have been the last one. Instead, the last one had to be the Man-Rei. Oh well.

Darn Eva. Why couldn't you have been about giant robots killing stuff?
...The last Angel? Impossible. No one can kill the last Angel.

Many have tried. All have failed. Just ask the aliens from Independence Day about how hard it is to kill the last Angel.

[Beefy]

Also, about the last angel being grown in a tube like Rei, does that mean that SEELE created the angels or what?
The tubes shown in the anime and manga aren't used for growing Rei or Kaworu. The tubes are used for copying their personalities/essence/whatever else into the dummy plugs. So, why would SEELE want their own dummy system...

[The Myst]

The tubes shown in the anime and manga aren't used for growing Rei or Kaworu. The tubes are used for copying their personalities/essence/whatever else into the dummy plugs. So, why would SEELE want their own dummy system...

I thought the original Rei was dead though, killed by Ritsuko's mom, and that they were growing clones in those tubes.

[Vallen Valiant]

I thought the original Rei was dead though, killed by Ritsuko's mom, and that they were growing clones in those tubes.

There is no original.
unless you meant Yui. Rei is Rei. All the Reis are real.

[Strollymonster]

There is no original.
unless you meant Yui. Rei is Rei. All the Reis are real.

Well, there IS an original Rei,...the problem is, Rei herself is a clone of Yui Ikari spliced with Lilith, making her half-Angel. So while the Rei killed by Naoko Akagi was indeed the first "original" Rei, she was already not truly an original being.

Watched EoE again today...you think you'd get used to the mind-screwing, but no...

The funny thing is, I owned this movie for over a year and I didn't know what Shinji actually did in Asuka's hospital room until I watched the commentary version last week...it wasn't all that clear to me, so I was rather shocked :o

Of course, it does make Shinji's next line make even more sense than it did when he was simply standing over a comatose Asuka instead of...you know.:ack:

[Zam]

The funny thing is, I owned this movie for over a year and I didn't know what Shinji actually did in Asuka's hospital room until I watched the commentary version last week...it wasn't all that clear to me, so I was rather shocked :o

Of course, it does make Shinji's next line make even more sense than it did when he was simply standing over a comatose Asuka instead of...you know.:ack:

Why you didn´t noticed? The Shinji´s "wet-hand" shot is pretty clear. *shudders*

MOD NOTE: Spoiler, please.

[djthomp]

The commentary version is great, I seem to recall it being a better audio track then the actual audio, at least for the second half. :p Theres a number of things in EoE that I know I didn't notice till I watched it with the commentary.

[The Myst]

Well, there IS an original Rei,...the problem is, Rei herself is a clone of Yui Ikari spliced with Lilith, making her half-Angel. So while the Rei killed by Naoko Akagi was indeed the first "original" Rei, she was already not truly an original being.

That's what I meant. I thought they were growing Rei clones (Including the original which was technically a clone herself.) in those tubes.

[Kamaria]

Question about Lilith in the movie:


You know how when Rei fuses into Lilith, she reforms into a white, HUGE form of Rei? Since Rei is half Yui, half Lilith, does that mean that Rei-like form is Lilith's true form? I tried my best to explain that right...

[Sandoz]

Question about Lilith in the movie:


You know how when Rei fuses into Lilith, she reforms into a white, HUGE form of Rei? Since Rei is half Yui, half Lilith, does that mean that Rei-like form is Lilith's true form? I tried my best to explain that right...
No, Lilith just alters her form to resemble Rei (which is probable since that was the form of her soul's vessel for the past fourteen years) who in turn resembles Yui.

[Kamaria]

No, Lilith just alters her form to resemble Rei (which is probable since that was the form of her soul's vessel for the past fourteen years) who in turn resembles Yui.


But if that's true, then what's Lilith's real form?

[Hyper Shadow X]

Great eppy.

[Sandoz]

But if that's true, then what's Lilith's real form?
We never see it. But, since SEELE had her face covered with a mask, we can guess that it's quite hideous.

[Master Moron]

counterpart, Manga Kaoru gets some action as an EVA pilot. He helps Rei fight the 14th Angel, using a rifle and a dual saw weapon.[/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT]


Why would an Angel fight another Angel?

[Strollymonster]

Why would an Angel fight another Angel?

It wouldn't be the first time...since humans are the 18th Angel anyways. They fight because the last surviving Angel would be the rightful "heir" as it were to the world. The angels are just humans that rejected the human form, as explained in EoE. We're fundamentally the same as them, but we can't coexist.

[The Myst]

It wouldn't be the first time...since humans are the 18th Angel anyways. They fight because the last surviving Angel would be the rightful "heir" as it were to the world. The angels are just humans that rejected the human form, as explained in EoE. We're fundamentally the same as them, but we can't coexist.

Plus, the Evas are angels and Unit 01 totally murdered Unit 03 then ate it back in episode 18.

[RAINMAN]

Plus, the Evas are angels and Unit 01 totally murdered Unit 03 then ate it back in episode 18.


No it rip it to pieces and ate a angel in the next ep`s.

[Hades]

So they aired the final episode to the series last night? Wow that show seemed to go by quick.

[Duke]

So they aired the final episode to the series last night? Wow that show seemed to go by quick.
No, they just aired the final standard episode. We still have two official episodes to go.

[Hades]

No, they just aired the final standard episode. We still have two official episodes to go.

You mean the clip shows or the End of Eva? If it is the clip shows, then you might as well just say the series is over because End of Eva are the only final episodes.

[Duke]

You mean the clip shows or the End of Eva? If it is the clip shows, then you might as well just say the series is over because End of Eva are the only final episodes.
Actually, they both are. According to Gainax, both endings are official.

[Fafhrd]

Nah, he's bi. :DWell, that way, he doubles his chances of a date on Saturday night, I guess.

[NahMan85]

According to Gainax, both endings are official.
They may be official but many don't think they should be. I'm not one of them because I don't really get it myself but from what I have read from the thread something just doesn't seem to add up. Not sure exactly what though. So I will shut up now before I get ahead of myself. :D

[Master Moron]

Why you didn´t noticed? The Shinji´s "wet-hand" shot is pretty clear. *shudders*

MOD NOTE: Spoiler, please.

Well, actually, the first time I watched it I didn't notice Shinji jerked off either. I guess it was because I was watching on a computer screen and the image wasn't all that clear or large. When I later watched it on video I saw the jizz on his hand and was a little disturbed. By the way, why is this a spoiler? I mean, is anyone really going to say "Oh, my God, Shinji jerks off in End of Eva? Thanks for ruining the plot for me!"

[Chrono1995]

Well, actually, the first time I watched it I didn't notice Shinji jerked off either. I guess it was because I was watching on a computer screen and the image wasn't all that clear or large. When I later watched it on video I saw the jizz on his hand and was a little disturbed. By the way, why is this a spoiler? I mean, is anyone really going to say "Oh, my God, Shinji jerks off in End of Eva? Thanks for ruining the plot for me!"

It's pretty much common knowledge even among anime fans that haven't even seen a minute of Eva.

As for the TV series ending, I love it. But that's for next week.

[Kamaria]

Two more questions:

Why, exactly, would Gendo splice part of Lilith to create Rei, and implant Lilith's soul into her? If he wanted a Yui clone, he could have just copied her DNA over. And how exactly is Rei key to the Instrumentality Project? I saw the movie but I still don't understand everything.

[Vallen Valiant]

Two more questions:

Why, exactly, would Gendo splice part of Lilith to create Rei, and implant Lilith's soul into her? If he wanted a Yui clone, he could have just copied her DNA over. And how exactly is Rei key to the Instrumentality Project? I saw the movie but I still don't understand everything.

well...
Rei actually is suppose to be a secret project that is hidden from even Seele themselves. Gendo used Yui's DNA only because of sentimentality; he never once considers Rei a replacement for Yui. That's why Rei was given the name Yui created for a possible female child.
Instead, he knows that by bestowing love and attention on Rei (it might not seem a lot, but he DID cared more about Rei than anyone else in the world), Rei would form a bond with him. And once Rei fused and obtained the power of Lilith, she would, for old times sake, give him a say in how the universe will turn out. (Which might involve bringing Yui back from the dead.)
(The Adam on his hand is also suppose to assist in the fusion. But as they say, Rei took in Adam but rejected him.)

The reason Marduk Agency was a dummy organisation that was ran by NERV, is merely so Gendo can hide the identity of Rei from his Seele bosses.

Unfortunately, Shinji ended up becoming more important to Rei than Gendo. So Ikari Junior became the one who controlled human instrumentality instead.

(In the "Rei Ayanami Nurturing Project" PC game, you play the part of Rei's guardian. If you play your cards right, YOU can become the controller of Instrumentality instead of Shinji.)

As for why Rei is the key? Well, Gendo fused Yui's DNA with Lilith Cells to make Rei. An Angel with part human DNA means there is possibility of controlling Lilith when Rei fused back to it...

[SS4goku]

Well, actually, the first time I watched it I didn't notice Shinji jerked off either. I guess it was because I was watching on a computer screen and the image wasn't all that clear or large. When I later watched it on video I saw the jizz on his hand and was a little disturbed. By the way, why is this a spoiler? I mean, is anyone really going to say "Oh, my God, Shinji jerks off in End of Eva? Thanks for ruining the plot for me!"

So Shinji Jack off, over whom.

[Duke]

So Shinji Jack off, over whom.
Watch End of Eva.

[SS4goku]

Watch End of Eva.

I guess waiting wont kill me

[Space Chief]

And where exactly did Lillith come from anyway? Did NERV just find it in the basement?

[Duke]

And where exactly did Lillith come from anyway? Did NERV just find it in the basement?
SEELE found it.

[Kamaria]

well...
Rei actually is suppose to be a secret project that is hidden from even Seele themselves. Gendo used Yui's DNA only because of sentimentality; he never once considers Rei a replacement for Yui. That's why Rei was given the name Yui created for a possible female child.
Instead, he knows that by bestowing love and attention on Rei (it might not seem a lot, but he DID cared more about Rei than anyone else in the world), Rei would form a bond with him. And once Rei fused and obtained the power of Lilith, she would, for old times sake, give him a say in how the universe will turn out. (Which might involve bringing Yui back from the dead.)
(The Adam on his hand is also suppose to assist in the fusion. But as they say, Rei took in Adam but rejected him.)

The reason Marduk Agency was a dummy organisation that was ran by NERV, is merely so Gendo can hide the identity of Rei from his Seele bosses.

Unfortunately, Shinji ended up becoming more important to Rei than Gendo. So Ikari Junior became the one who controlled human instrumentality instead.

(In the "Rei Ayanami Nurturing Project" PC game, you play the part of Rei's guardian. If you play your cards right, YOU can become the controller of Instrumentality instead of Shinji.)

As for why Rei is the key? Well, Gendo fused Yui's DNA with Lilith Cells to make Rei. An Angel with part human DNA means there is possibility of controlling Lilith when Rei fused back to it...

That game you mentioned.......is there a place I can download an English translation of it?

[Sandoz]

And where exactly did Lillith come from anyway? Did NERV just find it in the basement? In a manner of speaking, yes. They found it when they first excavated the Geofront.

[Vallen Valiant]

That game you mentioned.......is there a place I can download an English translation of it?

Not really. The only translated version is in Chinese.

The official website has more on it:
http://www.gainax.co.jp/soft/ayanami/index.html

[Kamaria]

Well damn. Anywhere I can get it at all? I'll just have to deal with using something called "Menu Translations". :P

That game looks really cool on Gainax's website. I'm a huge Rei fan, so I gotta have it. ;)

[animePWNS]

This is probably in one of the spoiler boxes already, but according to one of the images, it looks like in the next episode:

Misato is gonna die!:crying: Well, at least she'll be back with Kaji if she does.;)

Either way, this being my first time watching this show, I'm really looking forward to these final episodes.

[SS4goku]

This is probably in one of the spoiler boxes already, but according to one of the images, it looks like in the next episode:

Misato is gonna die!:crying: Well, at least she'll be back with Kaji if she does.;)

Either way, this being my first time watching this show, I'm really looking forward to these final episodes.

Im like a ninety-nine percent sure she doesn't die in the last episod. Oh yes by the way is it safe to say that rei cares for shinji alot.

[Chrono1995]

Im like a ninety-nine percent sure she doesn't die in the last episod. Oh yes by the way is it safe to say that rei cares for shinji alot.

She doesn't die during the last episode. In both EoE and the TV series, EVERYONE is dead during the last episode. But we do see a flash of Misato as dead as can be, slumped up against the wall from a gunshot wound during episode 25 of the TV series. Same with Ritsuko. There's also an image of Eva Unit-02 underwater in the lake. These three things are all depicted during the first half of EoE.

[SS4goku]

She doesn't die during the last episode. In both EoE and the TV series, EVERYONE is dead during the last episode. But we do see a flash of Misato as dead as can be, slumped up against the wall from a gunshot wound during episode 25 of the TV series. Same with Ritsuko. There's also an image of Eva Unit-02 underwater in the lake. These three things are all depicted during the first half of EoE.

So your saying that they dont die in the last episode but the uncut verison they do, plus Rei does care about shinji more than she does gendo right.

[Nobuyuki sama]

So, what are these black boxes for, anyway? :p

[NahMan85]

So, what are these black boxes for, anyway? :p I was thinking the same thing.

[Duke]

So, what are these black boxes for, anyway? :p
So you can't see their faces. Only hear their voices. :P Cuz the black monoliths are much more fearsome than some old Trekkie who wants to be on the Enterprise instead of Earth.

[RAINMAN]

Spolier boxes for people who have not seen EOE yet.

[FinnMacCool]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nobuyuki sama
So, what are these black boxes for, anyway? :p

So you can't see their faces. Only hear their voices. :P Cuz the black monoliths are much more fearsome than some old Trekkie who wants to be on the Enterprise instead of Earth.04-06-2006 11:58 AM

That and, let's face, cheaper to animate. Hell, since the black boxes don't move, they don't even need to be animated at all.

[Nobuyuki sama]

OK, since everyone is missing it:

What's the point of using spoiler boxes in this thread if some doofus is just going to repeat what's in them, anyway? :shrug:

[Duke]

Spolier boxes for people who have not seen EOE yet.
...Spoiler box for what? We've seen the SEELE council before, back when they had color-coded desks during the first 2/3 of the series. Only in the last third did they use the black monoliths.

[Chrono1995]

...Spoiler box for what? We've seen the SEELE council before, back when they had color-coded desks during the first 2/3 of the series. Only in the last third did they use the black monoliths.

Does the use of the black monoliths represent something or does it have more to do with the fact that GAINAX didn't have the money to animate the individual members of SEELE?

Now THAT'S a question.

[Sandoz]

...Spoiler box for what? We've seen the SEELE council before, back when they had color-coded desks during the first 2/3 of the series. Only in the last third did they use the black monoliths. Er, what Nobuyuki-Sama said. The original "black box" comment was about the absence of spoiler tags on SS4goku's posts above, not a question about SEELE.

[XOMiss_Samantha]

ok, im a bit late since i saw this saturday, but WOW... ok. Im compleatly confused to the core. All i kno is that in the movie Shinji..well..ya..and thats about it.
Kowrou was awesome, and i wish he could have stuck around with Shinji.:crying:
ah. He was cute. too.

[Strollymonster]

ok, im a bit late since i saw this saturday, but WOW... ok. Im compleatly confused to the core. All i kno is that in the movie Shinji..well..ya..and thats about it.
Kowrou was awesome, and i wish he could have stuck around with Shinji.:crying:
ah. He was cute. too.

There's a scarily large world of doujinshi that agrees with you.

Oh, and if you listen carefully, you can hear that Shinji is listening to Ode to Joy on his SDAT when Kaworu shows up...lends a bit more credence to the idea that Shinji may have been actually waiting for Kaworu, who confessed that it was his favorite.

[XOMiss_Samantha]

There's a scarily large world of doujinshi that agrees with you.

Oh, and if you listen carefully, you can hear that Shinji is listening to Ode to Joy on his SDAT when Kaworu shows up...lends a bit more credence to the idea that Shinji may have been actually waiting for Kaworu, who confessed that it was his favorite.

:D *cough*go yaoi yay!*cough*:D
Did Kaworu..did his head come off? How did Shinji exactly kill him?

[Sandoz]

Did Kaworu..did his head come off? Yes.
How did Shinji exactly kill him? He was squeezed to death by Unit-01's fist.

[Vallen Valiant]

:D *cough*go yaoi yay!*cough*:D
Did Kaworu..did his head come off? How did Shinji exactly kill him?

To be exact, Kaworu was crushed so completely that they had to spray-wash the gloves of Unit-1 in order to remove the remains. The head came off because it wasn't connected to anything anymore.

(The glove-washing wasn't in the original script. It was a last-minute decision.)

[Strollymonster]

Think tube of toothpaste being hit with sledgehammers on both sides :evil:

It's certainly a memorable death scene...

*long pause*

*longer pause*

*Ode to Joy winds down*

*one more pause*

*Let's stretch this out just long enough to save us twenty bucks*

Okay, insert liquification effect!

Good times with existential angst.