Adult Swim 2006 Upfront Announcements

[Dr. Anime]

Just clairfication, but the Upfront is today correct?

Mod Edit: Upfront Details Added

Top-Secret Details of Aqua Teen Hunger Force Feature Announced
03/30/2006


Completing its first full year as an individually rated network, the late-night service announced the new slate of programming on deck for 2006 at today’s Adult Swim Upfront event in New York. New series for the year are Death Clock Metalocalypse, Frisky Dingo, Assy McGee, Saul of the Mole Men and Lucy, The Daughter of the Devil. Two pilots were announced and will air later this year: Korgoth of Barbaria and That Crook’d ‘Sip. New seasons of current series Robot Chicken; Family Guy; Tom Goes to the Mayor; Harvey Birdman, Attorney at Law; The Venture Bros.; Aqua Teen Hunger Force; 12oz. Mouse and Squidbillies will also air throughout the year. Adult Swim completed the first quarter of 2006 as the top-rated basic cable network among men 18-24 and men 18-34.

In addition to this year’s schedule, Adult Swim outlined details of the highly anticipated feature, The Aqua Teen Hunger Force Movie Film for Theatres, slated to open in theaters this fall. The film, written by Matt Maiellaro and Dave Willis, is based on their successful series about human-sized food products Meatwad, Frylock and Master Shake. The first movie based on an Adult Swim original series is an action epic that chronicles the mysterious origins of the trio and the battle over an immortal piece of exercise equipment.

Following are highlights:

New Series:

Death Clock Metalocalypse: The world’s most popular heavy metal band leaves a trail of mayhem and destruction wherever they go. The animated comedy, from co-creators and executive producers Brendon Small and Tommy Blacha, will debut in August and feature ear-melting heavy metal and guest appearances by musicians like Kirk Hammett and James Hetfield of Metallica. Twenty episodes have been ordered.

Frisky Dingo: Destroying the world seems like a lot of fun, but supervillain Killface finds that it can be a very tedious and complicated process. His nemesis, Awesome-X, is equally ambivalent about stopping Killface, as stamping out his plot fully might crush toy sales. Frisky Dingo, from Matt Thompson and Adam Reed, co-creators of Sealab 2021, will debut in September. Thirteen episodes have been ordered.

Assy McGee: In a world where crooks run rampant and City Hall is soft on crime, one cop has what it takes to make things right. He’s Assy McGee, the toothpick chomping cop sniper who looks like a giant ass. He’s not much of a talker, but Assy is willing to take the first shot if he needs to eliminate a scumbag criminal. Assy McGee, from Carl Adams, Jon Benjamin and Matt Harrigan, will debut in December.

Saul of the Mole Men: During a scientific expedition to the Earth’s core, a terra-naut stumbles upon a strange civilization of Mole Men--and nearly destroys it. Deftly combining live-action, puppets, animation and green screen technology, Saul of the Mole Men debuts in late 2006. Twenty episodes have been ordered.

Lucy, The Daughter of the Devil: Lucy is living in San Francisco and dating a great new guy, who might just be the Second Coming. The only problem is that her dad always meddles in her life. And, since he’s Satan, he is using her relationship as an excuse to hasten the apocalypse. The series, created by Loren Bouchard, has been given the greenlight for 10 episodes and will debut in late 2006.


New Seasons of Existing Series:

Robot Chicken: Co-creators Seth Green and Matthew Senreich enlist an army of toys and celebrity friends to skewer pop culture in this stop-motion sketch comedy. A new season begins April 2. Ten additional new episodes are slated for September.

Family Guy: The fast-moving series about the Griffin family continues with 17 new episodes beginning April 30 and airing throughout the year.

Tom Goes to The Mayor: The unique partnership between bumbling bureaucrat The Mayor and self-proclaimed “idea man” Tom Peters continues in a new season of the series from Tim Heidecker and Eric Wareheim, beginning June 4.

The Venture Bros.: With Hank and Dean Venture presumably dead, Doc and Brock carry on as Team Venture and seek revenge on The Monarch and other villains in the second season of the series from Jackson Publick III. New episodes begin June 25.

Aqua Teen Hunger Force: Meatwad, Frylock and Master Shake swim in their neighbor Carl’s above-ground pool and destroy things. A new season begins in September. Aqua Teen Hunger Force was created by Matt Maiellaro and Dave Willis.

12oz. Mouse: Mouse, fond of beer and firearms, unravels a conspiracy in a new season that begins in September. 12oz. Mouse was created by Matt Maiellaro.

Squidbillies: Redneck squids scratch out a hardscrabble existence against a backdrop of brown-liquor-fueled heartache and loss in the north Georgia mountains. A new season of 14 episodes of the Williams Street series Squidbillies, from Jim Fortier and Dave Willis, begins this September.

Harvey Birdman, Attorney at Law: The winged superhero returns for a new season of jurisprudence and office politics beginning this fall. Harvey Birdman, Attorney at Law was created by Michael Ouweleen and Erik Richter.


Pilots in Development:

Korgoth of Barbaria: In a dark future wasteland, the cities have fallen, primordial beasts have reclaimed the globe and thieves and savages populate sparse, dirty towns. Korgoth emerges from the frozen north, and his merciless savagery may be his only key to survival. Korgoth of Barbaria is an animated fantasy-action-adventure-comedy from Aaron Springer. The half-hour pilot episode will air in September.

That Crook’d ‘Sip: The Beauregard family, much like their Mississippi mansion, is falling apart. Relics of the Old South, this dysfunctional clan sits in stark contrast to the modern crunk-fueled Dirty South that has grown up around their crumbling estate, Frenchman’s Bend. The pilot for That Crook’d Sip, created by Jacob Escobedo and Nick Weidenfeld, is now in production at Williams Street and will air in the fall.


Anime Acquisitions:

Eureka Seven: Renton is a young boy in a world where “lifting,” an extreme form of hoverboarding, is common. Renton’s life is changed forever by a mysterious and beautiful young girl named Eureka. Eureka Seven will debut on Adult Swim on Saturday, April 15.

Bleach: Ichigo Kurosaki is an average 15-year-old who never asked for the ability to see ghosts. He was born with the gift. When his family is attacked by a Hollow, a malevolent lost soul, Ichigo becomes a Soul Reaper, dedicating his life to protecting the innocent and helping the tortured spirits find peace. Bleach, licensed from VIZ Media, debuts this fall.
InuYasha: The adventures of human girl, Kagome, and InuYasha, who is half-demon, continue with a new season. New episodes of the series, set in a mystical, feudal Japan, air on Wednesdays through September.

[Tienshin]

Yep. It begins this evening at 6:30. Harley will be in attendence and we have planned for her to call/email me with information as it happens.

Also, AS will release information on Action programming via adultswim.com the same as last year.

[Dr. Anime]

not until 6:30? Ah geez I thought it would be earlier in the day. Oh well hopefully we'll hear some good news and some suprise annoucnments, considering most of us already know Eureka 7 is coming.

[Sketch]

6:30 does seem pretty late. Well whatever...

[Ultra Mike]

It will be worth it if we actually get some good shows and annoucements for this upfront and it isn't as disappointing as the regular Cartoon Network upfront.

[Maenos]

According Media Week (http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/news/recent_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002274955), AS, along with Eureka, now has Bleach.

Either they decided to release the info before the Upfront happened, or Upfront happened earlier than 6:30 (6:30 did seem rather late, imo).

[Lord Dalek]

Bleach eh? Well I guess that ends the Shonen Jump boycot of AS.

[livingfruitvirus]

According Media Week (http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/news/recent_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002274955), AS, along with Eureka, now has Bleach.

Either they decided to release the info before the Upfront happened, or Upfront happened earlier than 6:30 (6:30 did seem rather late, imo).

So is Toonami going to walk away from 2006 with NO new anime?

[Lord Dalek]

So is Toonami going to walk away from 2006 with NO new anime?Well Naruto is going to keep the block running for years and years (unless it eventually petters out like Hakusho) so I guess they figure they don't have to.

Plus Prince Of Tennis remains unannounced.

[Tienshin]

I knew those bastards were lying about Lucy. :mad:

According Media Week (http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/news/recent_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002274955), AS, along with Eureka, now has Bleach.

Either they decided to release the info before the Upfront happened, or Upfront happened earlier than 6:30 (6:30 did seem rather late, imo).

It's standard procedure, last year the PR materials were published before the event began as well.

[James Bester]

Great, Adult Swim's two major acquistitions this year are kids' shows. Perfect:shrug:

I don't mind the shows themselves, but they don't seem like they belong there at all.

[Lord Dalek]

Great, Adult Swim's two major acquistitions this year are kids' shows. Perfect:shrug:
Well so is Full Metal Alchemist. :)

[livingfruitvirus]

Well so is Full Metal Alchemist. :)

Like kids would've watched it.

[HG Revolution]

I don't mind the shows themselves, but they don't seem like they belong there at all.

Bleach should have been Toonami but Eureka 7 is actually supposed to getting pretty trippy to the extent that it could be called the next EVA or FLCL. I seriously hope that Blood+ is picked up at Comic-Con, but what else could AS air? The FUNi/Gonzo shows have very minimal mainstream appeal and will probably be syndicated or theatrically released anyway, Monster has yet to be licensed, Ergo Proxy seems to be going unnoticed in a situation similar to Otogi Zoshi, and the majority of stuff being licensed lately seems to be stuff that either AS can't (Gantz), won't (Mai-Hime), or shouldn't (tons of otaku-centric crap) air.

[Ryan227]

Well I'm really happy about Bleach but three anime premiers at 12:30 on week nights ewww... does that mean that's where Bleach is going? I hope not it should be on Saturday nights. I had hoped with AS getting the 10-11 hour on week nights they could have at least moved the premiers up to 12.

[Beat]

So it seems Bleach is now the next Inu-Yasha.

Also, props to Lucy returning. Most of the other pilots don't seem too hot.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

So is Toonami going to walk away from 2006 with NO new anime?

Prince of Tennis will probably find its way to Toonami, and I wouldn't be shocked if MAR or Zoids Genesis wound up there...


Bleach doesn't belong on AS though. Out of Naruto, One Piece, and Bleach, Bleach is the least mature of the 3, it just happens to have the most blood and boobies. Naruto and One Piece are both infinitely more fitting for AS then Bleach is(and I love Bleach, make no mistake, but its not an Adult show)

Glad to see that Lucy is getting picked up, it would've been a terrible shame otherwise. Also looking forward to Deathclock and the Korgoth pilot.

[Master Moron]

So is Toonami going to walk away from 2006 with NO new anime?

Considering they currently have four long series on the block, it's not like they have much room for new anime.

[The Myst]

Brendon Small + Metallica? I'm there.

New eps of ATHF in September? BUT I CAN'T WAIT THAT LONG!

So the origin will finally be revealed? Awesome.

So now the eps of FG are gonna air.

I wonder if Hank and Dean will really stay dead. I hope not.

New Mouse? Huzzahs are in order! *Is the only one celebrating.*

[Sketch]

SON OF A B****

My reality just shattered.

[Scirel]

So it seems Bleach is now the next Inu-Yasha.

Also, props to Lucy returning. Most of the other pilots don't seem too hot.

haha, I told you guys Bleach would go to AS to replace Inuyasha, but nobody believed me. WHY DIDN`T YOU BELIEVE ME?! eh..:p

The only series I`m truly surprised that is returning is Squidbillies, all the others I can say I enjoyed on some level, some more than others.
Mouse is such a low budget that no wonder its coming back, but squids? geez.



Also BOO to live action freaking SERIES airing on "Network".


About Bleach being appropriate for AS, it's around the level of Yu Yu hakusho in both theme and maturity. That did great for them so I`m not surprised.

[Grenzer]

I called Bleach going to AS a month ago. This is more of a case of AS needing Bleach then Bleach needing AS. Bleach could air on Toonami, but that block is doing well in the ratings right now and WS sees little need to start shaking up the schedule. AS Action on the other hand could use a real shot in the arm. Eureka 7 and Bleach are exactly the kind of high profile, broad appeal anime series that can bring in the ratings; ratings that CN and AS want for their sdult action. As such any other arguments about how "mature" these shows might or might not be get thrown out the window in the name of business.

[Mugen]

Korgoth should be interesting to see. Didn't Gennedy Tartakovsky have a hand in helping to develop the pilot?

Wow, I didn't think Bleach would go to AS. Then again, AS needs some anime whereas Toonami is doing just fine.

[Beat]

Toonami has Naruto and a decent set of returning shows. They don't seriously need a new anime till winter.

Adult Swim, however, is running on fumes with EVA about to end, and no movie to air to milk it with.

[Sketch]

Reguardless of Adult Swim's anime situation...

Picking up more shonens is not the right route. Thank heavens for Ghost in the Shell, it's the only adult thing on the Swim these days.

I realize Viz made a ton of fanboys happy today but you know what? It's not the right course of action and by the time they realize it, it'll be too late.

NOTHING is going to save ASA. If Eureka's airing boarder robots don't just kick it while it's down so that Bleach wont have anything to salvage by Fall.

This is a waste.

What's the point of CN being able to show TV-PG-V when they can't even get notable shonen like these two?

Eureka 7 scrapes by because it gets rather FLCLish and also is similar to FMA. But Bleach doesn't and Viz knows it. The manga is rated 13 and up just like the rest of the regular JUMP line-up.

If a lot of blood and fanservice is what got Bleach on Adult Swim then I weep for humanity. That's not mature. That will never be mature.

But I digress, what's done is done. But I still frown upon the decision.

[Rocketboy]

Congradulations Bleach fans, We'll get a good dub. However, it will be at least until the SS arc when AS actually does a decent job of advertising, and well, I'm going to give until the end of the SS arc when it moves to 12:30 for some comedy in our action night.

[TheMecca]

...ATHF MOVIE COMING TO THEATERS THIS FALL?
[my head a splode]

[FlyByNite77]

BLEACH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I was expecting it and hoping for it, but to see it confirmed has made me giddy.

No having to wait for stupid uncut DVD's to come out since the version that airs on Adult Swim will be the DVD version. Whoo!

I still would like to see Adult Swim add something from Funi like say Basilisk.

[Zero Kagayaki]

Congradulations Bleach fans, We'll get a good dub. However, it will be at least until the SS arc when AS actually does a decent job of advertising, and well, I'm going to givce until the end of the SS arc when it moves to 12:30 for some comedy in our acttion night.

I hope we'll get a good dub too

[Wolfie~Giri]

Bleach? Really..?! Is this all because of Chizuru's desire for Orihime? :p

[Space Chief]

Assy McGee: In a world where crooks run rampant and City Hall is soft on crime, one cop has what it takes to make things right. He’s Assy McGee, the toothpick chomping cop sniper who looks like a giant ass. He’s not much of a talker, but Assy is willing to take the first shot if he needs to eliminate a scumbag criminal. Assy McGee, from Carl Adams, Jon Benjamin and Matt Harrigan, will debut in December.

You f'n kidding me?


So, about Bleach, is it just one of those shonen shows that goes on forever or does it have an actual plot?

[Lord Dalek]

So, about Bleach, is it just one of those shonen shows that goes on forever or does it have an actual plot?The former I'm affraid. Shonen manga tends to be fairly drawn out in terms of plot.

[herbkir]

It looks like E-7 and Inuyasha are the only anime series that will have new episodes through the summer. GitS will run out of premieres in May, Eva premieres will be done next month. There currently are only premieres on Tues., Thurs. and Sat. nites. Looks like E-7 will take FMA's Saturday slot.

Bleach won't show up until fall. Saul, as a mix of live-action, puppetry and animation, could be an AS action entry late in the year. And everything else appears to be comedy.

In comedy, I'm glad they picked up Lucy. It looks to me like this is the only one of the new comedies with possibilities. The others sound kinda lame, but we'll see I guess. (^_*)

[KuwabaraTheMan]

So, about Bleach, is it just one of those shonen shows that goes on forever or does it have an actual plot?

Both. But it is the weakest out of the "Holy Shounen Trinity"(One Piece, Naruto, and Bleach).

[Ragebot]

Well, Inuyasha is basically a kids show as well. The content for both it and Bleach are quite simillar.

I would think Bleach on AS would be for the best, as Toonami has not yet proven themselves at handling sexual innuendo.

[Catlover]

Am I the only one happy about Bleach on AS? I mean, we're going to get it unedited.

I don't care if it does or doesn't belong. There are very, very, few anime TV series that are truly adult. They would have to delve into the shonen pool sometime or another. Really, Bleach fits nicely next to Eva (which was aired during daytime hours, and was originaly going to be an 30min Bandai/Sega toy ad)and FMA (also aired in an after-school slot, and targeted towards teens). So you can't say we haven't ever had an show that was targeted towards an audiance outside of AS's in Japan.

[Dark Fact]

How could anyone NOT see Bleach going to Adult Swim? Never mind it's lack of maturity. It's graphic content is more than enough to put it on the block.

If a lot of blood and fanservice is what got Bleach on Adult Swim then I weep for humanity. That's not mature. That will never be mature.
Not in japan it isn't but in america......IT IS!!! There is no way around it and I doubt CN has the budget to clean up every last blood spurt there is.

[Pepperidge]

I would think Bleach on AS would be for the best, as Toonami has not yet proven themselves at handling sexual innuendo.

Yeah... that's really the thing I was worried about myself. Plus this way we're basically guaranteed to get all of the openings and endings aired on TV. I just hope AS has the sense to try the series out at 10-11pm.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

How could anyone NOT see Bleach going to Adult Swim? Never mind it's lack of maturity. It's graphic content is more than enough to put it on the block.


Not in japan it isn't but in america......IT IS!!! There is no way around it and I doubt CN has the budget to clean up every last blood spurt there is.

That's not mature. Maturity is strong, older skewing stories.

Bleach does not have that. Its a fighting centric Shounen, with pretty much no death, and not a whole lot of complexity.

[HG Revolution]

Hey, why was there no mention of Boondocks?

[Daffy Dork]

Every single one of the new shows sound like they could be funny and have great potential.

And I'm happy about all the renewals.

[Youko Recca]

Ha, this upfront just straight took a large ass dump on Toonami's. And it's not even that amazing.

Anyway, I knew Bleach and Eureka 7 would be either Toonami or Adult Swim, and since I don't give a damn either way, I'm cool with it. All the renewels are good, pilots and some of the new shows.

Hopefully Bleach will return that feeling I had when YYH was still on three years ago. AS looks alright this year, yeah.

[Zyzzybalubah]

Hey, why was there no mention of Boondocks?

Yeah seriously... I think we all know it's been renewed for 20 (or was it 26?) episodes, but you think they would have highlighted it. Now here are my opinions on the whole ordeal:

The ATHF Movie: So... who else is camping out for this? ;)

Death Clock Metalocalypse: Hurray for Brendon Small! Nay for Kirk Hammett and James Hetfield of Metallica.

Frisky Dingo: Could be interesting. I liked the Sealab crew's works. :)

Assy McGee: This could either be funny or a repeat of Stroker and Hoop (for me it would be bad.) Jon Benjamin has a hand in it so it can be good.

Saul of the Mole Men: I'm against live action on CN in general, but I'll probably check it out.

Lucy, The Daughter of the Devil: Wow... I thought this was long gone. I'll check it out.

Robot Chicken: uhg.... Not like I didn't expect it though.

Family Guy: Cool, but we'll all probably see the episodes on Fox before this anyway. BTW, where's American Dad on both networks?

Tom Goes to The Mayor: Hurray, but I thought it was coming May. :sad:

The Venture Bros.: Yay!!

Aqua Teen Hunger Force: Cool.

12oz. Mouse: Damn it!

Squidbillies: So happy this is renewed.

Harvey Birdman, Attorney at Law: Cool, but the big question is, will the creator continue it after this season?

Korgoth of Barbaria: Could be interesting... I thought Genndy was going to be working on this....

That Crook’d ‘Sip: Ugh.. My friend is probably right... sounds like they're trying to continue the Boondocks success. I don't know about this...

Eureka Seven: Hmm.. the plotline sounds like it could be interesting. I hope it's decent.

Bleach: If it's like YYH, count me in. I might like it!

[J'onn J'onzz]

Saul of the Mole Men: I'm against live action on CN in general, but I'll probably check it out.

I agree! There's a reason it's called CARTOON Network.

[Duke]

Ha, this upfront just straight took a large ass dump on Toonami's. And it's not even that amazing.
Yea, but Toonami's actually been stable for the past 6 months or so (except for the first hour) and has had a lot more success than ASA. With the Hasbro half-hour, Naruto, Zatch Bell, One Piece, and Bobobo currently on extended stays, more episodes of IGPX, The Batman, and likely Leigon of Superheroes and Fantastic Four coming soon (not to mention a gaggle of Marvel movies), Toonami's going to be mostly full this year.

Mainly, the AS Upfront actually announced stuff we didn't know, whereas we knew everything beforehand at the Toonami upfront.

[Discloner]

Am I the only one happy about Bleach on AS? I mean, we're going to get it unedited.

I don't care if it does or doesn't belong. There are very, very, few anime TV series that are truly adult. They would have to delve into the shonen pool sometime or another. This is exactly the line of thought that gets TV mucked up down the road. Its compairable to CN beginning to air live action and people going "No that's ok because I really like this movie" then complaining about it later down the road. The fact that people want Bleach on AS just to see it unedited and even acknowledge themselves that it doesn't belong there is distressing to me. You want your cake and to eat it too, and that makes you short-sighted to the bigger issues then free unedited episodes.

Remember Case Closed? I'm seeing numerous parallels regarding the 'doesn't fit block demographic' issue that this particular series is sturring up. And while I'm sure Bleach has quite a bit more appeal then CC has...I still think a lot of you are blinded by your craving for free unedited anime, and don't realize that Bleach could be the new YYH.

[Duke]

Yea, it's likely just to fill up a spot on AS (since Eureka 7 and InuYasha will be it for Adult Swim Action), since it could likely run unedited on the back end of the Toonami block (like when they expand like they should).

[Happy]

Hmm, some people seem mad that the anime aquired aren't "adult" enough. Yet I look at the other shows that were considered too young skewing and I find that the two that immediantly spring to mind are InuYasha and preToonami Yu Yu Hakesho. After that I realize that both those shows did well. I applaud this decision, Adult Swim. I hope you get better ratings out of them than arts failures like PA.

[Brent Long]

Death Clock Metalocalypse: I expect good things, though I could see this not panning out.

Frisky Dingo: Hmm, interesting.

Assy McGee: Jeez, I have a feeling this is gonna be one of those shows in which one character alone will build up an audience, but lack a real humor to it. Jon Benjamin doesn't sound like enough to save this.

Saul of the Mole Men: I knew from the beginning that this is one of those shows that souns good from the premise, but cannot be stretched far enough into a series.

Lucy, The Daughter of the Devil: If they can expand beyond the pilot well enough this might be a short-lived hit as I don't see the creators even wanting it to last more than 13 or so episodes. Fine with me.

Robot Chicken: Big surprise.

Family Guy: See Robot Chicken.

Tom Goes to The Mayor: I don't care.

The Venture Bros.: I'm glad this show built up enough of an audience for this. It gives me more faith in the average Adult Swim viewer.

Aqua Teen Hunger Force: No problem here.

12oz. Mouse: Well, it was too cheap for it to be canceled anyway.

Squidbillies: I don't care.

Harvey Birdman, Attorney at Law: Will new episodes really help at this point?

Korgoth of Barbaria: Now this sounds like a huge breath of fresh air. I see good things in this show's future.

That Crook’d ‘Sip: God Williams Street will develop a pilot for anything pitched nowadays.

Eureka Seven: Bandai is setting their expectations way too high for this show. I could see it being kinda popular, but nowhere near enough to have justified even airing it on TV at all.

Bleach: While Adult Swim could use another InuYasha at this point Bleach is not the show to do it with. I expect a Yu Yu Hakusho moving of this to Toonami after more youths stay up to watch this than adults.

[Discloner]

Yet I look at the other shows that were considered too young skewing and I find that the two that immediantly spring to mind are InuYasha and preToonami Yu Yu Hakesho. After that I realize that both those shows did well. I don't quite understand you. YYH left AS because it wasn't doing well with AS's demographic. Inuyasha started off well, but it's not doing that hot lately either...

[Brent Long]

Congradulations Bleach fans, We'll get a good dub.

It's not like the dub would have really been all that different had it aired on Toonami. Viz would still release an unedited dub later on, and Naruto's dub has been fine thus far.

However, it will be at least until the SS arc when AS actually does a decent job of advertising

Well done Adult Swim Action promos? You're dreaming.

[Happy]

I don't quite understand you. YYH left AS because it wasn't doing well with AS's demographic. Inuyasha started off well, but it's not doing that hot lately either...It wasn't? Hmmm that might not be too good, I thought it did well. As for IY failing, I blame that by a lack of plot advancement and the series poor quality in general.

edit: IY started off well and could have been great if it didn't start doing the same thing every episode after the first thirty or so.

[tapion13777]

Bleach, eh? Meh, looks like it would end up the same way as YYH, leaving [as] to go on Toonami. It fits there better, IMO. Eureka 7, I heard of it and people were thinking it'd go on Toonami, but I've never seen it. I guess I'll check it out sometime.

[Lachesis]

Nice. Eureka 7 and Bleach were both on my predictions list in back in June. Mainstream-friendly action shows with great production values. I'll be looking forward to them.

[Duke]

Well done Adult Swim Action promos? You're dreaming.
The promos themselves are pretty decent. It's getting them to run in a timely fashion that's the problem.

[Tienshin]

I just spoke with Harley who was on her way home from the event and she had some minor clarifications not mentioned in the press release that I editted into the first post.

-12oz Mouse was renewed for 13 new episodes.

-Family Guy will air 23 total new to AS episodes, starting with 17 and followed by the remaining six.

-ATHF will have 10 new episodes for 2006.

-Harvery Birdman Attorney at Law will have 7 new episodes.

-Assy Mcgee will premiere with a 13 episode order.

She also grabbed some audio from the event, but mentioned it was pretty loud in the hall so that may not yield much. We'll see though.

[Ryan227]

I'm happy about Bleach being on Adult Swim too. Honestly I'm sick and tired of hearing about how the new anime shows aren't mature or adult enough. From what I remember InuYasha was a Sunday morning cartoon in Japan (like Eureka 7) and Fullmetal Alchemist was on in prime time (like Bleach) it's not like it's anything new. And from what I've seen of the ratings those are the shows that seem to do the best, even with the audience that AS is targeted towards. Bleach wouldn't have been able to run unedited on Toonami, at the very least the blood would have been taken out (not that that's a big deal or anything)... it could have gone on Toonami but it's not and I'm happy to see it on Adult Swim.

[GWOtaku]

We've had Inu-Yasha around for how long now, and people are complaining that Bleach isn't mature enough for AS? Please.

Bleach and Eureka 7 are new, long-anticipated anime that already have a following. Saying that you wish either weren't airing on AS is pretty much the same as saying that you want AS Action to die.

Note how a show with plenty of adventure, action, and comedy (albeit thrown in with a heavy plot), Full Metal Alchemist, is what managed to bring in ratings, not "adult" obscure "heavy" stuff like Paranoia Agent and Evangelion. Or Wolf's Rain and Witch Hunter Robin before that. Take a hint. AS is getting two excellent series, stop treating it like its a disaster.

[Prism]

Definitely looking forward to Korgoth of Barbaria,Bleach and Eureka7, it's about time for Venture Brothers second season and not too surprised about Harvey Birdman. The rest I'm sorta iffy on.

[Sketch]

We've had Inu-Yasha around for how long now, and people are complaining that Bleach isn't mature enough for AS? Please.

Bleach and Eureka 7 are new, long-anticipated anime that already have a following. Saying that you wish either weren't airing on AS is pretty much the same as saying that you want AS Action to die.

Note how a show with plenty of adventure, action, and comedy (albeit thrown in with a heavy plot), Full Metal Alchemist, is what managed to bring in ratings, not "adult" obscure "heavy" stuff like Paranoia Agent and Evangelion. Or Wolf's Rain and Witch Hunter Robin before that. Take a hint. AS is getting two excellent series, stop treating it like its a disaster.

You don't think I've been saying Inuyasha doesn't fit AS? Because I have for quite some time. At this point it could air as it is now on CN at 10PM before Futurama no problem. But since it's well established on AS moving it while it's still in premieres would be a poor choice and probably just piss off the fanbase.

FMA is plenty heavy despite it's light moments. It's the only shonen I believe suits Adult Swim.

Evangelion isn't adult either, just really really messed up and violent.

I don't want AS aciton to die but I want it to live off of mature programing. Ghost in the Shell is the perfect example of what Adult Swim should show. So help me if those fools don't pick up Monster as soon as it becomes available here.

But ASA is as good as dead. Given that the AS expansion was not only for comedy but action is behind Oblongs UBER reruns. Surely Inuyasha could do better at Midnight (reruns I mean).

Putting popular shonens at 12:30AM with little promotion is asking them to fail and fail hard. Case Closed anyone?

But there's nothing to be done about it other than decide how you feel about the decision. Personally I frown upon it and think it is wasted potential but on the bright side we should get the OPs and EDs (maybe shortened) and Mattel wont make a crappy toyline for Bleach.

If AS steps up to the challenge this could be a VERY good move. But they wont. That's what history has shown us thus far. Anime takes a back seat on "Adult" Swim and it always will.

[guinaevere]

New Series:
Death Clock Metalocalypse:
Frisky Dingo:
Assy McGee:
Saul of the Mole Men: (Will John Agar and Hugh Beaumont be in this? Only Dalek will understand this reference.)
Lucy, The Daughter of the Devil:


New Seasons of Existing Series:
we already know them backwards and forwards. The Drunken Frat Boy Brigade that is [AS] continues. I'll check 'em all out, and will probably only care for Smalls new project, but while this is not in the least unexpected, I'm still disappointed.

Thank heavens for Ghost in the Shell, it's the only adult thing on the Swim these days.Yup.

If a lot of blood and fanservice is what got Bleach on Adult Swim then I weep for humanity. That's not mature. That will never be mature. While the content may be completely immature, that does not mean it's suitable for a younger viewing audience. And that's why it's thrown to [AS].

[KnightusMaximus]

From what I remember InuYasha was a Sunday morning cartoon in Japan (like Eureka 7) and Fullmetal Alchemist was on in prime time (like Bleach) it's not like it's anything new.Yeah, I'm sure Bleach will do reasonably well regardless of where it ended up. All it has to do is attract 18-34's. Despite its questionable maturity, the number of young adults (18-24) tuning in to watch it should be strong enough to support it through its initial run. The question of whether it would be a bigger hit on Toonami is a good one, though it probably doesn't matter to most people as long as it just gets renewed. We'll see how well Adult Swim nourishes it.

By the way, Inuyasha aired right before Detective Conan at 7:00PM on Yomiuri TV. (and Conan continues to air at 7:30PM - with the annual 2 hour specials airing well into the night [9:25PM])

[Ultra Mike]

I would think Bleach on AS would be for the best, as Toonami has not yet proven themselves at handling sexual innuendo.

What about Justice League Unlimited? That's brimming with lots of innuendo and fits well on Toonami.

ATHF will have 10 new episodes for 2006.

I had heard 14 from the Dana Snyder forum but hey it's better then 3 at least. I just hope now that the movie's been finalized and has an offical time frame they can focus more work on doing the show and all.

As for all the shows, here's my thoughts in order.

Aqua Teen Hunger Force Movie: I think we all knew the plot (based on rumors/ what was seen in the deleted scenes special) but actually seeing some kind of airdate is cool. I'll defintley be watching that when it comes this fall. Hope they make some kind of event on AS for the movie to try and get it more publication and whatnot.

Death Clock Metalocalypse: Now I'm anticipating this show. Not only because of how blinging the soundtrack's suppose to be (hearing versions of the show's theme and such awhile back) as well as Brendon Small being involved, but according to Publick Jackson's blog (the guy who co-created Venture Brothers) the animation's suppose to be really good as well. That makes it a definite slam dunk combination that is sure to rock the rest of the compettion, in more then one way.

Frisky Dingo: While the plot sounds fairly interesting, the fact it's made by the creators of Sealab makes it seem meh. I hope it's better then what Sealab turned into at least.

Assy McGee: You know this reminds me of two family guy gags. The first was the Sherry and the Anus show from the beginning of "Fifteen Minutes Of Shame" and the second was the scrotum like cop on the version of the shield in "Stewie Griffin's Untold Story" TV Movie. In other words, something that works as a GAG, not a show. Jon Benjamin and Matt Harrigan (who did write some good space ghost coast to coast episodes) might make the series interesting, but I doubt that. Besides wasn't Jon suppose to be working on a Comedy Central show with David Cross on actual INTERESTING heroes or something?

Saul Of The Maul Men: I think this was something announced in last year's upfront as well. Where we still grimmaced at the thought of something life action. But with all the life action steps CN has taken lightly, this dosen't seem as toxic as it did before. I still don't expect it to be that great though.

Lucy, The Daughter Of The Devil: Wow, fan love for the pilot must of been strong enough to save this from non- pickup since last we heard this show wasn't going to be accepted. Glad to see they changed they're minds though. Next to Deathclock it's definite the best choice of the shows airing this year (and yeah both have Home movies alummin in them, but that dosen't mean anything. See my thoughts on Assy McGee).

Robot Chicken: Although it's obvious that we'd be getting 10 more episodes in additions to the one starting in April, note how the season number was split into two like that. Adult Swim recently seems to have a tendecey to giving seasons a "breath" of repeats before finishing them off. Although it could also be due to them realizing you won't get much viewers in the summer.

Family Guy: Yeah nothing we didn't know. Let's just hope that there's isn't much of a distance period between them airing on AS and they're original airing on FOX. And also, news on what's happening with American Dad would be helpful.

Tom Goes To The Mayor: News we already know. Let's hope this next season is better then the first one.

The Venture Brothers: Been waiting for this ever since that fateful night in October 2004 when Hank and Dean were blasted down by the Monarch's henchmen. Can't wait to see what happens when they pick the peices up and if the boys are really coming back.

Aqua Teen Hunger Force: Like I said before, heard 14 but ten's a fine number too. They need to really try and promote the new episodes and the movie a lot though and get some ATHF love spreading.

12 Oz Mouse: Yeah no one's surprised one of the cheapest shows ever is coming back. Let's just see how long they can stretch it out for.

Squidbilies: I'm not surprised either. I knew the WS was tired of working on Perfect Hair Forever, but they seem pretty content with Squidbillies, perhaps the best successor to WS's brand of humor. But then again when compared to PHF and 12Oz, there isn't much to success with.

Harvey Birdman: Well the jury's out on this being the last season or not but the seven epsiodes should be at least decent. I'm hoping anyway.

Korogth of Barbaria: Jeez, this was also talked about for at least a year. I'm doubting if it will even air this september but I guess we'll just see. And hope it's been worth the long wait.

That Crook'd Ship: I don't know if we need any more southern fried humor but the premise dosen't seem ALL that bad. Not all that good either.

Eureka Seven: We already knew this was coming. I read the synopsis for it and it looks interesting, but yeah not the most ADULT fair. But yeah to be fair besides Ghost In The Shell and Samurai Champloo (which is also decently adult) all of the AS action shows have failed or at least been partily childish.

Bleach: So this also would fall into that later catergory of partily childish. Well hopefully it will be a big hit at least. AS needs a popular shonen to help boost it's ratings, but will this do to AS what Naruto and One Piece did to Toonami? Guess we'll just see this fall.

Overall a pretty good initative. Defintley better then Cartoon Network's. And not just Toonami either. The surprises we didn't know about CN (Squirrel Boy) weren't nearly as good as what some of this stuff could be.

[Catlover]

This is exactly the line of thought that gets TV mucked up down the road. Its compairable to CN beginning to air live action and people going "No that's ok because I really like this movie" then complaining about it later down the road. The fact that people want Bleach on AS just to see it unedited and even acknowledge themselves that it doesn't belong there is distressing to me. You want your cake and to eat it too, and that makes you short-sighted to the bigger issues then free unedited episodes.

Remember Case Closed? I'm seeing numerous parallels regarding the 'doesn't fit block demographic' issue that this particular series is sturring up. And while I'm sure Bleach has quite a bit more appeal then CC has...I still think a lot of you are blinded by your craving for free unedited anime, and don't realize that Bleach could be the new YYH.

When did I ever acknowledge that I it doesn't belong on AS. I said that I don't care if it does or does'nt belong. Meaning that I don't care about the petty subject of weather or not the show belongs on the block. What is done is done. We might as well be happy about it instead of whineing about getting uncut anime on TV for free and playing block politics.

Remember Kenshin anyone? Remember how Akins acknowledged that it would have fit better on AS? This is that situation. Bleach is on the same level as Kenshin violence wise. Swords really don't work well on Toonami. Naruto can get around that because ninja magic seems to be used more than blades. I've seen up to episode 36 of Bleach. I know Toonami has come far since '04, but not that far.

What are you implying about it being the new YYH? If you mean it getting moved off to Toonami, that's no problem. It's not like that happining would make it more edited. If you mean YYH getting sent to 5:30 AM, that wouldn't have happened if it had stayed on AS.

AS is not mature (as in brooding about the mysteries of life, or cracking political jokes) at all (outside of a few shows), comedy or Action wise. This is nothing new for the block.

[Carolina Red]

Harvey Birdman: Well the jury's out on this being the last season or not but the seven epsiodes should be at least decent. I'm hoping anyway.Maybe they'll get back to basics and not be overly topical like some of the recent episodes.

Death Clock sounds like a neat idea, but the Home Movies connection worries me. But it's too early to judge.

[Sketch]

Well on the comedy side those are specifically aimed at 18-34 reguardless of their maturity level.

You can't say that about Bleach. At best it's 13 and up. Just like how Viz rates the manga. Uncut it pushes TV-14-V, no doubt about it (that's a lot of blood). But with a bit less blood it's easily TV-PG-V and that's CN territory now. Or at least it should be given what CN has aired lately.

Inuyasha was aimed 16 and up. So was Kenshin manga-wise. Bleach fits best next to Naruto not most of Adult Swim's line-up.

Bleach is DBZ with swords, nothing more, nothing less. This is s-CRY-ed all over again.

Pointed objects are no problem on Toonami with TV-PG ratings. Naruto does have magic but it has plenty of stabbing in it. Including the first episode which they've re-aired at noon. What about Naruto Part 2? If they "can't" handle Bleach then what hope does that have?

What's done is done. It's not going to change it and I'm not trying to (as that wouldn't work anyway). But I will voice my distaste in this decision. It's a step backwards for Adult Swim without a doubt. They didn't get to airing TV-MA by just showing shonens much less common TV-14. It reminds me of when ASA was mostly Toonami reruns or shows that were going to go to Toonami (and YYH which eventually did go to Toonami). I can't imagine seeing the AS logo on the bottom of the screen while watching Bleach (or even Eureka 7 - and I really think that one isn't going to work out because robots just don't work here these days).

If Adult Swim actually bothers to promote Bleach and gives it a good time slot (as in not 12:30AM on a Monday or something) then this wont be such a waste. But I still think it should be airing next to Naruto in Toonami.

Seeing as the best ratings it'll get will be with tweens and teens and AS wants 18-34. Sure there's plenty of 18 and up Bleach fans but most wont bother watching the dub and the rest of the audience along with some casual viewers wont amount to the killer ratings they are probably banking on.

[Cheetatron]

I am infinetly relieved that bleach wound up on Adult Swim, I was totally for it even before viz licensed it.

[William C. Maune]

Remember Kenshin anyone? Remember how Akins acknowledged that it would have fit better on AS?

Just to clarify. Akins never said that. He said that maybe it would have worked better on Adult Swim. Hindsight is 20/20 anyway. As far as swords go though, thanks to Naruto and TV-PG, Toonami's pointy objects policy has changed quite a bit since Rurouni Kenshin. At least Zabuza thinks so.

Regardless, I can't complain too much about Bleach on Adult Swim. Toonami already has a bunch of series. It isn't getting much in the way of new series because the series it already has are rather long. Adult Swim needs new action a lot more. Bleach isn't a perfect fit, but there isn't that much out there that is actually "adult."

[bigddan11]

I was just about to say that many people complained that Kenshin should have been on AS so it wouldn't be so edited, and now when Bleach heads to AS so it won't be edited, people complain that it should be on Toonami. I know I'll watch it no matter what block it's on, but I always prefer the uncut goodness that AS gives most shows over the edited Toonami standard (even though Toonami's standard has raised).

[vegetable]

You know guys, if Bleach for some reason doesn't work out, they can always retry it on Toonami. Adult Swim hasn't had much luck lately with long-term series'. Lupin? Case Closed anyone? But I think the writing was on the wall when Terry Kalagian said that Bleach was too complex and slow paced for Toonami.

[Beat]

I was just about to say that many people complained that Kenshin should have been on AS so it wouldn't be so edited, and now when Bleach heads to AS so it won't be edited, people complain that it should be on Toonami. I know I'll watch it no matter what block it's on, but I always prefer the uncut goodness that AS gives most shows over the edited Toonami standard (even though Toonami's standard has raised).

Because no one really cares about the simple fact that Bleach is going to air. They're too hung up on the labels surrounding it.

I know I'm going to watch.

[Duke]

I'm going to watch too, even though I was turned off the beginning since it's not as good as the manga during that stretch.

[Discloner]

Because no one really cares about the simple fact that Bleach is going to air. They're too hung up on the labels surrounding it.

I know I'm going to watch.For me atleast, thats not the case at all. The fact that Bleach is airing at all is enough to make me happy...however, if Cartoon Network is going to make blocks geared at specific demographics, they should stick to them. I simply don't see what good can come from allowing a series that obviously doesn't belong on a block air there. It merely opens up the gates for more series to follow in it's foot-steps, until the block's completely loses it's focus and sense of goal.

I'd personally perfer if ASA leaned more towards programming that CAN'T air on regular CN, as opposed to filling itself up with an Inuyasha demographic. Maybe it's just me...but something in the vein of Ghost in the Shell and even Samurai Champloo feel a helluva lot more adult then young teenagers, their romantic entanglments and their other-worldy quests.

[Tienshin]

Oh, I forgot to mention that David Banner will be featured as the narrator in the "That Crook’d Sip" pilot.

[The Myst]

The ATHF Movie: So... who else is camping out for this? ;)

Death Clock Metalocalypse: Hurray for Brendon Small! Nay for Kirk Hammett and James Hetfield of Metallica.

Tom Goes to The Mayor: Hurray, but I thought it was coming May. :sad:

Aqua Teen Hunger Force: Cool.

12oz. Mouse: Damn it!

I'm a bit torn on you. You get big props for camping out for the ATHF movie (I'll be right there with you.). Big props for liking Brendon Small. But then you cancel the props out with not liking the gods of metal and Tom. Tom is the worst show ever and Metallica kicks major ass if you're not a psycho purist that wanted them to be stuck in a time loop, repeating their early albums over and over. But you override your Metallica hate with Aqua Teen love again. And then not liking 12OZMO. Now I know I'm one of five fans on the planet but this leaves us with a tie which is just better. So you're three for three and that confuses me.

That's not mature. Maturity is strong, older skewing stories.

You are very correct sir. Anime like Ghost In The Shell is adult anime. Paranoia Agent, one of my favorite animes of all time, is adult anime. Anime like Bleach, One Piece, Naruto, Inuyasha (Even though I enjoy it), etc. is kids anime.

Every single one of the new shows sound like they could be funny and have great potential.

And I'm happy about all the renewals.

Even 12OZMO? You may just have redeemed yourself yet! 12OZMO fans gotta stick together with all the hate that circulates.

I agree! There's a reason it's called CARTOON Network.

I agree as well. Doesn't explain why Dumb & Dumber is airing though...

-ATHF will have 10 new episodes for 2006.

Yay.

Anime takes a back seat on "Adult" Swim and it always will.

There's a very good reason for that. Anime is not a money maker and never will be. You're damn lucky they air what they do. I mean, why should they air Paranoia Agent when it's a total failure? They do it because they like the programming and want to make it available to viewers like me who would otherwise never see it because I'm not an obsessed fanboy that spends all my money on anime DVDs with 5 episodes for 30 dollars. Adult Swim may not do whatever you want but you should be glad that they air what they do because they're actually losing money on picking up good anime that will never get good ratings. But they still pick it up. Instead of bashing them for it, you should appreciate them.

Eureka Seven: We already knew this was coming. I read the synopsis for it and it looks interesting, but yeah not the most ADULT fair. But yeah to be fair besides Ghost In The Shell and Samurai Champloo (which is also decently adult) all of the AS action shows have failed or at least been partily childish.

Paranoia Agent gets no love. I mean, I know it was one of those failures but still...

Adult Swim hasn't had much luck lately with long-term series'. Lupin?

Lupin actually did really well for the horrible timeslots it was given, the lack of hype, and the lack of new episodes. It did better than a great deal of their other programming in the past at least. I'm pretty sure in it's latest run, when they were airing back to back, Lupin was getting better ratings than s-CRY-ed.

[The Myst]

I also really don't give a damn either way about Bleach so, there you go. >_>

[Nyarl]

You know guys, if Bleach for some reason doesn't work out, they can always retry it on Toonami. Adult Swim hasn't had much luck lately with long-term series'. Lupin? Case Closed anyone? But I think the writing was on the wall when Terry Kalagian said that Bleach was too complex and slow paced for Toonami.
Because no one really cares about the simple fact that Bleach is going to air. They're too hung up on the labels surrounding it.

I know I'm going to watch.
Pffffff.... I heard from Stanlee/Lostrune that "CN doesn't like mixing up the Adult Swim/non Adult Swim brands" when Case Closed was stuck at 5:30. And as for "labels"? Guess different rules apply to shows you like, eh?

[guinaevere]

If Adult Swim actually bothers to promote BleachIs there anyone who doubts [AS] will be promoting this? Bleach, like it or not, is a title people know and will tune in for if they know about it.

But I still think it should be airing next to Naruto in Toonami.
Toonami has a good library of respectable aquisitions. And they aire most of them. What Toonami needs is a facelift.

Bleach isn't a perfect fit, but there isn't that much out there that is actually "adult." Cue all the Beserk fans.

I'm going to watch too, even though I was turned off the beginning since it's not as good as the manga during that stretch. Undestandable. It's hard NOT to compare, but try to take it for what it is.

You are very correct sir. Anime like Ghost In The Shell is adult anime. Paranoia Agent, one of my favorite animes of all time, is adult anime. Preach on, Brother. I'm with you.

Adult Swim may not do whatever you want but you should be glad that they air what they do because they're actually losing money on picking up good anime that will never get good ratings. But they still pick it up. Instead of bashing them for it, you should appreciate them.
Dang. He convicts me. Fine. I bash all the people who bring the ratings for their Humor Programming.

I'm pretty sure in it's latest run, when they were airing back to back, Lupin was getting better ratings than s-CRY-ed. [snide, uncalled for comment]...couldn't be because Lupin's a good show and scryed is an absurd, uninteresting childs show?[/snide comment]

[Sketch]

Yeah I'm not so sure if a show tanked on AS but got 12-17 and or 9-14 ratings it would go to CN now. It would just waste away at an awful slot.

But you know YYH did the same thing on the other side of the scale.

But it seems the way CN and AS work now is they don't mix eachother and they don't try to play off eachother. I mean 4kids One Piece into Futurama? Heck they put YGO pre-AS at one point. Nothing says adult lead-in like using cards to save the world M I RIGHT? So if a show fails on either it wont move, it'll just die. So hope Bleach doesn't fail (I really hope it doesn't but I don't expect it to salvage anything).

Demographics are established for a reason.

I hope to find Viz reps at a con some time so I can ask them in person who decided Bleach was going to Adult Swim. Because at the moment while I think it was Viz it may have been CN higher ups. Obviously Kalagain thought so.

[Aquadementia]

Bleach as the next Cased Closed? I guess I can see it facing some of the same problems.
There aren't too many places for it to be shown on Cartoon Network, and I'm happy we're getting it, and being on Adult Swim it will be tampered with the least, so that's all good from my perspective.
But can it do well in the 18-34 demo, because anime has been sucking with them. I don't know what will be the ratings hit they so badly need. Because their anime line up has been spectacular in my opinion. FMA, SC, GIS:SAC, Paranoia Agent were all great shows, but the rating stunk. It's a shame, they should have done better. Bleach could surprise us all in that regard.



On the comedy front.

Death Clock Metalocalypse - I always wanted a This is Spinal Tap cartoon, and this ain't Spinal Tap, not quite, but I'm really looking forward to it just the same.

Lucy, The Daughter of the Devil - I thought this one was a bit interesting. It's doing some unique things, but it's not something I think I'll be going ga-ga over. I'll probably watch it though.

Saul of the Mole Men - Comedy Central, we'll trade you a brand spanking new Saul for those Futurama reruns. It may end up being a funny show, but putting it on the wrong network may handicap it.

Frisky Dingo - It sounds like they may have a new take on things. My excitement level is a 5 out of 10.

Assy McGee - It sounds like too much concept, and the concept sure isn't getting my laughing. I don't know, we'll see if Carl Adams can make something out of this.


Korgoth of Barbaria - Glad to see them doing something different.

That Crook'd 'Sip - I'm interested in the set-up.

The Venture Bros. - If they would have passed on renewing this one I would have no faith in Adult Swim at all.

[Sketch]

There's one very painful connection between Bleach and Case Closed... Those Don Konoji (sp?) episodes with the sentai references are far too close to the Jr. Detective League episodes for comfort.

Honestly Bleach has a lot of stupid out of place "kid" stuff. But Viz will probably snip some of it from the TV version (such as tags after the credits featuring silly stuff).

[Wervyn]

Rising from the depths of lurkerdom to register his opinion once again, it's Wervyn, the unendlessly witty, the ineffably self-absorbed, the incorragibly arrogant, here to tell all of you why you are wrong. Or perhaps not, but I do want to say a couple of things about these two anime acquisitions, which seem to be unfairly maligned here, or at least unenthusiastically received.
First, let me preface by saying that all this flim-flam about whether certain shows are "adult" enough for Adult Swim seems very much to me like the sort of ageist snobbery you generally see coming from all too recent children who, having reached their majority, want desperately to appear "mature". "I don't want to watch Bleach, that's a baby show." Thus we label things initially out of an attempt to conform to an image. Adults don't watch fluff, adults have no need for stories constructed of simple ideas. We don't watch cartoons, we watch animated dramas. We don't need childish things like Naruto, because we have better things to watch, like Aqua Teen and American Idol and Firefly.
Now, I'm not trying to say that there's anything wrong with so-called "adult" shows. I'm dearly in love with Firefly after all. Nor am I denying that media can't be classified at all by its adult-ness, by taking into account the sort of ideas it explores, the ages of the principle characters, and the level of content. But I find that the best shows are the ones that resonate with us, and the ones that do that most broadly are often the ones that are constructed of simpler, one might say "childish" concepts.
Therefore I think the primary question in considering a show for Adult Swim should not be, "is the show 'adult' enough," but rather, "would adults be interested in watching this show?" Secondarily, since I'm sure plenty of us have no problem watching Toonami, we should probably ask, "is there anything in the nature of the show as is that would make it unsuitable for children?" In the opinion of this adult, the answer to the first question is an emphatic yes, though I'm far more excited about Eureka Seven than I am about Bleach I enjoy both shows. And regarding the second, the answer is also yes, considering a 9-13 age bracket, though admittedly far more worthy in the case of E7 than of Bleach.

I've got to say, I am so, so excited to hear that Eureka Seven is getting this slot. If nothing else, it means that even if an unnamed fansub group never pull their heads out of their asses, I'll still get to see the end on TV in my own language. (And yes, legal nannies, I'm getting the DVDs for this one, no question, but that's a matter of more time and more money than I'll have to spend waiting for the show on Adult Swim.) I dearly do want to see the end of this thing too, because thus far, two-thirds of the way through, it is absolutely one of the best I've seen. Liked Fullmetal Alchemist? You can like this, too, it's at least as good.
I'm a little sad though, because judging by the climate here, and understanding what I do about the show, I know that a lot of people are going to write it off before it gets a chance to shine. Just like FMA doesn't really take off until about a quarter of the way through, so the plot of E7 doesn't really hit its stride until about the same place. Meanwhile it's very character driven (and it stays that way throughout), almost Bebop-ish except with a bigger cast and a different sort of raison d'etre. But I think a lot of people are still going to be left wondering what the hype is about, and simply drift off.
If I had to say what it is that attracts me to this show most, it has to be the characters. The story juggles an obscene amount of them and yet even the minor ones feel real, human. These are real people living in a very strange but very real world, not just archetypes but individuals. There is a tapestry of stories weaving in and out of each other, painted on a canvas that really does feel world-sized (how's that for mixed metaphors), and the effect is all very epic. And what's really wonderful about all of this is that none of it feels idealized. Actions have real consequences. People have to deal with real issues. 'Real' is really the operative word for the series; even as the setting is surreal and fantastic, the whole thing still feels unescapably down-to-earth.

Bleach, on the other hand, is really just good old fashioned shounen fun. Yuu Yuu Hakusho meets Shamen King, it's not like it's a particularly revolutionary idea, but it finds a way to make that idea its own, and does it well. I take slight umbrage to the insinuation that Bleach is the lesser of the three current big Shounen titles, since in my view it's almost certainly the best. Pacing is one of the factors. Naruto is better than DBZ here, but it still tended to drag and was given to lose itself in repeated flashbacks, which Bleach rarely does (or sets aside special episodes to do, hooray for badass Soul Society battle recap). Naruto has also taken a turn for the crappy since the latest onslaught of filler arcs. It hit its peak near the end of the Chuunin Exam, sure, but this new stuff is just awful. Bleach has been surprising in proferring filler material that actually seems thought out. Like someone on the animation staff sat down with everyone and said "listen guys, we're going to run out of manga to adapt in a few months, and we damn sure better have something interesting to put there while we wait." And they actually came up with a story that feels like it has a place in the ongoing plot, like it has significance.
So far, Bleach has only had two episodes that really felt wasted to me. I've lost track of that number for Naruto, and eventually gave up on watching it until the next manga-based material starts airing. Bleach, thus far, and thus far includes what would be considered "filler" in normal parlance, works. It's tight, it's directed, and it's entertaining, and that's what you want in a shounen anime. As for its adultness, I think the themes it it tends to address are geared more towards the mid-teens than the pre-teens. It's still idealized, but I find it less grating than Naruto's constant "believe in yourself" and "true strength comes through teamwork, even though Naruto is really the strongest and Sakura never does ANYTHING."
Regarding One Piece, I never watched enough of that to form a real opinion about its maturity and quality. Only enough to decide that, at least at the time, it wasn't what I was looking for. I found it too whimsical for my tastes.

So here's a challenge for all of you who like to label things in advance: give these shows a fair run. There's just far too much labeling going on for very little reason. Be careful of setting boundaries that may be artificially created. "I don't watch anime, I'm an ASC guy," and "I don't watch the comedy, I'm an ASA guy," these are both essentially the same thing. Watch a show because it's good. Watch it for what it is, not because of the labels you've associated with it. "Eureka Seven is a mecha show." Technically, yes. "That means it's just a bunch of whiny teenagers angsting about the meaning of life." Well, no, not really. "Bleach is a shounen anime." Yes, definitely. "That means it'll be a bunch of interminable plot arcs that never end and fights that drag on for 20 episodes." That, not so much. But chances are, if you decide you're going to hate something going in, you probably will.

"When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man I put away childish things."

[The Myst]

Preach on, Brother. I'm with you.

Dang. He convicts me. Fine. I bash all the people who bring the ratings for their Humor Programming.

[snide, uncalled for comment]...couldn't be because Lupin's a good show and scryed is an absurd, uninteresting childs show?[/snide comment]

1. Well, I am pretty great. >_>

2. There you go. Bash somebody worth bashing. DEATH TO THE PEOPLE WHO WATCH THE COMEDY! ... Wait, I bring the ratings for their Humor Programming. >_>

3. Well, I hate s-CRY-ed too and Lupin is one my favorite animes but it would be kind of snide and uncalled for to make a comment like that. >_>

[Jay]

I'm not impress by any of those new shows and where the heck is the boondocks i have a feeling non of those shows will appeal to me. I cant believe they are bringing back tom goes to the mayors house other shows were canceled for this?

[Freedom Fighter]

New Series:
Death Clock Metalocalypse: Well, if you liked the hard rock scenes of 'Home Movies,' then I guess this should be right up your alley.
Frisky Dingo: Sounds good... but AS' series have a tendency to sour out when the actual series debuts.
Assy McGee: Well... it says what it is. :sweat: If it's a boatload of flautulance jokes, though... pass.
Saul of the Mole Men: Not even gonna debate it, pass...
Lucy, The Daughter of the Devil: Some good news! Wasn't blown away by the pilot, but I'll take anything by AS that at least looks like effort was put into it. :p

New Seasons of Existing Series:
Robot Chicken: Too much 'miss' than 'hit' for me on the jokes. If AS didn't already have ATHF, Boondocks, Venture, and Lucy, then this would be watch-worthy... pass, but might give it a second chance.
Family Guy: I watch FG on Fox anyway and I'm not home to watch it on AS, so doesn't matter to me.
Tom Goes to The Mayor: Dull. Pass.
The Venture Bros.: About frickin' time! Rock on!
Aqua Teen Hunger Force: Only because they keep finding ways to make ATHF more vulgar... I'm hoping the end is real soon. Will watch, but won't be pleased, I bet.
12oz. Mouse: Just shoot me now... pass.
Squidbillies: It's a double-barreled gun, so shoot me now again... pass!
Harvey Birdman, Attorney at Law: Falls in the same category as RC... not crazy about the show, but watchable on a regular basis.

Pilots in Development:
Korgoth of Barbaria: Once again, sounds good... another show I hope doesn't bottom up in development.
That Crook’d ‘Sip: Doesn't AS have enough shows that offend all sorts of people? I mean, at this point, is there a show on AS now or coming that still hasn't offended a race yet? Coin flip needed to decide... uh, try again later.

Anime Acquisitions:
Eureka Seven: As long as we don't immediately put FMA expectations on this show, it should be alright... right? Naturally, anime's an easier sell for me, so let's see how this turns out.
Bleach: One of my favorite manga. I really don't care if it belongs or not. Oh, and since AS is now considered a separate network, that means AS and CN can't exchange programming anymore, right? The only bad thing... to date, I've considered to like either the SJ anime or the manga. Not both. Will Bleach continue that horrific trend (i.e., since I like the manga, will I find the anime boring tripe)?
InuYasha: Wave your arms like you just don't care. 'Cause I don't. Anymore. Pass.

[Rocketboy]

Anyhowzits, I also hope there won't be sped up OP & EDs, because I feel that is going to be VERY likely. Another thing that I most fear, are the premieres moving to 12:30, where ratings will sink.

[GWOtaku]

posted by Sketch:

You don't think I've been saying Inuyasha doesn't fit AS? Because I have for quite some time. At this point it could air as it is now on CN at 10PM before Futurama no problem. But since it's well established on AS moving it while it's still in premieres would be a poor choice and probably just piss off the fanbase.

I don't want AS action to die but I want it to live off of mature programing. Ghost in the Shell is the perfect example of what Adult Swim should show. So help me if those fools don't pick up Monster as soon as it becomes available here.

You say you don't want it to die but then say its dead already so they shouldn't get any good shows that can possibly work somewhere else even when other blocks don't need the shows. Do you realize how few shows there are that even begin to approach GiTS' level that actually have a chance at appealing to the viewer? Your standard is way too high. Again, you forget that they've gone for this "mature" programming in the manner that you're thinking of, and it didn't draw good ratings. You're kidding yourself if you think AS Action helps itself by making itself so selective.

I'll give you Monster, that would be a great move. But what else? Lain on AS? Sure it would make you go "Oh wow, amazing, they put Lain on AS!" Nice and deep and adult! But why should they go for that type of title when they've tried Paranoia Agent, Evangelion, Robin, and Wolf's Rain with less then smashing results?


Putting popular shonens at 12:30AM with little promotion is asking them to fail and fail hard. Case Closed anyone?

The "little promotion" is your own assumption, and even if you call them "shonen" there's a universe of difference between the kind of show Case Closed is and the kind of show Bleach is.

[Dr. Anime]

Well since I kind of started this thread, I'll weigh in, as for the comedy I'll watch it all before I judge. The live action show? Sorry no. ok lets talk about the anime.

Eurkea 7 - at first many of us thought it would go to toonami but after awhile, I don't know about any of you, but I kind of figured it was going to AS.

Bleach - man I thought for sure this would have been teamed up with Naruto on toonami, wow I was wrong.

Actually I'm surpised they didn't annoucne Gun X Sword, The FMA movie, and the 3rd Inyuasha movie.

Also when is the next big event? Where they will annoucne new anime?

also minor schedule update, once EVA ends its weekday runs, Cowboy Bebop will replace it.

[Daffy Dork]

Even 12OZMO? You may just have redeemed yourself yet! 12OZMO fans gotta stick together with all the hate that circulates.


Especially 12OZMO, it's one of the best shows still running.

And I seriously can't wait for the ATHF movie. I'm positive it'll be great.

[Sage Shinigami]

[snide, uncalled for comment]...couldn't be because Lupin's a good show and scryed is an absurd, uninteresting childs show?[/snide comment]
Nope, 'cause Scryed is neither absurd, uninteresting, or a child's show. :)

Anyways....YES. Bleach is coming to AS. I'd just like to say, to all those who thought it would go to Toonami....."Told ya so." ;) Edit: Getting rid of this because I just noticed Wervyn's post. He said exactly what I wanted to, but SO much nicer. He was dead-on and I applaud him for it.


As for this being the next YYH....nope. YYH had me interested from episode one. Bleach was only slightly interesting episode one and lost me by 3. Reading the manga eventually made me interested again (loved the SS arc) though, so now I'll be eagerly anticipating the anime.

Slightly disappointed that Inu Yasha will still be airing new episodes in September (!), but I'll deal. Eureka 7 being the only other anime acquisition also makes me sad, but like Adult Swim says, we need to watch the anime they've got if we want to see more acquisitions and whatnot. That said....AS Comedy is dying. I'm NOT watching Lucy, so that will be just one more block where Adult Swim will be dead to me. (Squidbillies, Moral Orel, 12Oz. Mouse, and possibly Minoriteam.)

[Sage Shinigami]

Well since I kind of started this thread, I'll weigh in, as for the comedy I'll watch it all before I judge. The live action show? Sorry no. ok lets talk about the anime.

Eurkea 7 - at first many of us thought it would go to toonami but after awhile, I don't know about any of you, but I kind of figured it was going to AS.

Bleach - man I thought for sure this would have been teamed up with Naruto on toonami, wow I was wrong.

Actually I'm surpised they didn't annoucne Gun X Sword, The FMA movie, and the 3rd Inyuasha movie.

Also when is the next big event? Where they will annoucne new anime?

also minor schedule update, once EVA ends its weekday runs, Cowboy Bebop will replace it.

Damn, I'm equally surprised they didn't announce GunxSword. THAT would've been great. I'd almost prefer it over Bleach, except Bleach is longer so we'd have new episodes for a greater period of time.

[Sage Shinigami]

New Series:
Death Clock Metalocalypse: Well, if you liked the hard rock scenes of 'Home Movies,' then I guess this should be right up your alley.
Frisky Dingo: Sounds good... but AS' series have a tendency to sour out when the actual series debuts.
Assy McGee: Well... it says what it is. :sweat: If it's a boatload of flautulance jokes, though... pass.
Saul of the Mole Men: Not even gonna debate it, pass...
Lucy, The Daughter of the Devil: Some good news! Wasn't blown away by the pilot, but I'll take anything by AS that at least looks like effort was put into it. :p

New Seasons of Existing Series:
Robot Chicken: Too much 'miss' than 'hit' for me on the jokes. If AS didn't already have ATHF, Boondocks, Venture, and Lucy, then this would be watch-worthy... pass, but might give it a second chance.
Family Guy: I watch FG on Fox anyway and I'm not home to watch it on AS, so doesn't matter to me.
Tom Goes to The Mayor: Dull. Pass.
The Venture Bros.: About frickin' time! Rock on!
Aqua Teen Hunger Force: Only because they keep finding ways to make ATHF more vulgar... I'm hoping the end is real soon. Will watch, but won't be pleased, I bet.
12oz. Mouse: Just shoot me now... pass.
Squidbillies: It's a double-barreled gun, so shoot me now again... pass!
Harvey Birdman, Attorney at Law: Falls in the same category as RC... not crazy about the show, but watchable on a regular basis.

Pilots in Development:
Korgoth of Barbaria: Once again, sounds good... another show I hope doesn't bottom up in development.
That Crook’d ‘Sip: Doesn't AS have enough shows that offend all sorts of people? I mean, at this point, is there a show on AS now or coming that still hasn't offended a race yet? Coin flip needed to decide... uh, try again later.

Anime Acquisitions:
Eureka Seven: As long as we don't immediately put FMA expectations on this show, it should be alright... right? Naturally, anime's an easier sell for me, so let's see how this turns out.
Bleach: One of my favorite manga. I really don't care if it belongs or not. Oh, and since AS is now considered a separate network, that means AS and CN can't exchange programming anymore, right? The only bad thing... to date, I've considered to like either the SJ anime or the manga. Not both. Will Bleach continue that horrific trend (i.e., since I like the manga, will I find the anime boring tripe)?
InuYasha: Wave your arms like you just don't care. 'Cause I don't. Anymore. Pass.

WB and CN switch shows a lot, so no. If Bleach doesn't do well, I want to say we may see it on Toonami. Thing is, as I recall, YYH and Candidate for Goddess were originally edited for Toonami in the first place, so it wasn't that big a deal for them to just switch it over. Bleach will be edited for Adult Swim, and although the "looser" restrictions for the late block may make it easier to air on Toonami, it still may be unlikely for Bleach to be moved to Toonami even if it fails on AS.

[Sketch]

Lack of promotion is assumption?

They didn't promote Champloo season 2 until it was almost over.

Inuyasha's only promotion lately is the general "new anime on weekdays promo"

While FMA and GitS do have "season 2" promos they only air in the later hours and most of the time just post 2AM.

Action hardly gets promoted on AS. That is FACT. And the reason I assume Bleach and Eureka wont get enough promotion is because AS has given me no reason to believe they will promote them properly and every reason to believe they wont.

If nothing else, Toonami would promoted them a heck of a lot better. Naruto and Zatch Bell get episode promos for crying out loud. I can't believe Viz went with Adult Swim for Bleach when Inuyasha has been burried and underpromoted for quite some time.

[herbkir]

Well, the new comedies will offer some hits and some misses.
Hits: Most likely Death Clock, Lucy, ATHF movie and Korgoth pilot.
Misses: Assy McGee, Frisky Dingo and Crook’d S’ip pilot.

The misses sound lame right from the concept. Concept is great but these will be really hard to pull off as series. Assy McGee will be the big flop while Frisky and Crook’d may struggle for a while before falling.

On the anime front, I think E-7 and Bleach will both be solid performers. Yes, in Japan these are teen shows. But who cares? They are similar to Inuyasha in having a varied cast that gives nearly every viewer someone to identify with. The key to IY’s success among young adults was in offering characters we came to care about, and who grew and developed because of the events that happen to them. I think these new series will have the same appeal. These shows’ characters could become sort of like an extended virtual family whose doings matter to us. It happened with Inuyasha, a Japanese teen show, and is likely to happen with E-7 and Bleach.

The one I can’t evaluate at all right now is Saul of the Mole People. If done right, it might work as a dramedy. The show’s use of puppetry and animation mixed with live human actors would allow it entry into AS, in my mind. But will the characters be appealing and the storyline interesting? They could be if approached as adult-level fantasy. (^_*)

[adoptedBatpuppy]

Well the only show I'm looking forward to Anime wise is Eurika.
Inuyasha is not really a new show, they will just air the new season.
This show has a lot of episodes! :eek:
I never heard anything about Bleach, so it will be a surprize.

Besides, Family Guy and Futurama I don't care for Adult Swim Comedy. :sweat:

[Mugen]

If nothing else, Toonami would promoted them a heck of a lot better. Naruto and Zatch Bell get episode promos for crying out loud. I can't believe Viz went with Adult Swim for Bleach when Inuyasha has been burried and underpromoted for quite some time.

Well, Toonami is on once a week. Therefore they can do episode promos. I don't think they would be able to do it if Toonami is on weekdays.

I guess Saturday AS is staying a while. I was thinking they would at least give up the first hour(which they still could), but it could stay.

[SirLemming]

LUCY!!! I was just thinking last night about how I was disappointed about that apparently not getting greenlit. And now this! I look forward to it.

Stuff like "Assy McGee", on the other hand, seems like it should've been kept as inside jokes in study hall.

[Nyarl]

...

The "little promotion" is your own assumption, and even if you call them "shonen" there's a universe of difference between the kind of show Case Closed is and the kind of show Bleach is.

Hmm? What difference is that?

Detective Conan is only something Japanese 8 year olds can enjoy? Pffff…. It makes enough money in Germany to get a commitment to show episodes numbered into the 300s. Those sponsors you can see listed in the clips of the Japanese openings at ASF aren't trying to get 8 year olds to buy their products.

North American culture just doesn't find Detective Conan appealing? No, too many appearances on the weekly top 30 all shows all television 12-17 list to make that claim.

The general U.S. anime fan culture ignores it or treats it with disdain? Yeah, that's true. What a shame, though.

Maybe it'll bomb in Canada despite the FMA lead and I can try to put aside my bitterness, write the ratings it did get on "Adult" Swim off as a fluke, and just accept that I'll NEVER get to enjoy all of the later year episodes I want to watch (pfff, not just disjointed Black Org. plot episodes) unless I learn Japanese, which even the One Piece fans can't say (except the ones with a particularly strong sense of ethics). Pfff… Somehow I doubt it'll be as clear cut as that, though.

On topic, I think Bleach can do significantly better than 'Yasha can manage nowadays. The subs were wildly popular, and it had to cost "Adult" Swim enough that it would be grossly incompetent for them to leave it languishing after midnight without consistent and pervasive promotion. Will it fade away later? Who knows?

[Duke]

The general U.S. anime fan culture ignores it or treats it with disdain? Yeah, that's true. What a shame, though.
Eh, there's still a significant amount that do support the dub, as sales have been strong for the DVDs (and should get stronger with the higher episode count).

[Nyarl]

Eh, there's still a significant amount that do support the dub, as sales have been strong for the DVDs (and should get stronger with the higher episode count).

Ooo, you know this for a fact? I guess I'll have to stop whining, then. (I want the damn Season 6 DVDs!)

[Duke]

I want the damn Season 6 DVDs!
FUNi has said that they'll get back to Season 6 when Cases 1, 2, and 3 are finished (which should be early 2007 at the latest). Especially since Cases 1-3 are going to be 8 DVDs total (instead of the planned 15).

[GWOtaku]

Hmm? What difference is that?
Conan is a detective show, whereas Bleach is an actual action show. Its like night and day.

[Beat]

Conan is a detective show, whereas Bleach is an actual action show. Its like night and day.

That's about right. Conan, at least to me, seemed to be Adult Swim's way of saying "No action for you! Watch this show about kids solving mysteries!" At least Bleach has a good amount of action in it.

[Sketch]

And in the same reguard given most of the line-up is action/comedy right now and only JLU and Naruto truely have what I'd call "enough action", an action heavy show like Bleach would be nice a contrast for Toonami right now.

But I guess their answer to that is to just bring DBZ back... again.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

And in the same reguard given most of the line-up is action/comedy right now and only JLU and Naruto truely have what I'd call "enough action", an action heavy show like Bleach would be nice a contrast for Toonami right now.

But I guess their answer to that is to just bring DBZ back... again.

Sketch, what are you talking about? Aside from Bobobobo every show on Toonami is action.

Cybertron? Last 3 episodes have basically been huge battle after huge battle with no room for breathing.
Zatch Bell? Fighting show that blends in comedy.
One Piece? Action Adventure.

If Cybertron, Zatch and One Piece aren't action shows, then nothing aside from DBZ is...

[Jeff Harris]

Hey, why was there no mention of Boondocks?That's because Boondocks has already been renewed months earlier back in January.

And they had a press release to prove it:


Adult Swim has given the greenlight for a second season of The Boondocks, the new hit series from creator Aaron McGruder, based on his award-winning comic strip of the same name. The network has ordered 20 new episodes of the series, which is produced by McGruder's production company, Rebel Base, in association with Sony Pictures Television.

Called “brilliantly funny” and “a water cooler series that lives up to the hype,” the series made its premiere on Sunday, Nov. 6, 2005. It ranked as the best series premiere in Adult Swim history, and has consistently ranked among the top programs on basic cable each week among young adult viewers. This month, The Boondocks was nominated for an NAACP Image Award for Outstanding Comedy Series.

New episodes are expected on Adult Swim in late 2006. Ten episodes of the initial 15-episode order have already aired this season.

“Thank God for The Boondocks and Aaron McGruder,” said Mike Lazzo, Cartoon Network’s senior vice president, programming and production, responsible for Adult Swim.

“Adult Swim’s passion for this show has been evident from day one, and we’re thrilled to be on this journey together. Aaron has created a group of amazing characters that tell entertaining and thought provoking stories, and we are so grateful to have found the perfect home for them,” said Zack Van Amburg, Co-President, Programming & Production for Sony Pictures Television.Of course, one name I noticed missing from yesterday's events was that of American Dad. When I asked Joe at the network about its omission, this is what he told me.

I don't know yet about AMERICAN DADWhich leads me to scratch my head since its missing from both the CN and Fox lineups all of sudden. I kinda miss that show.

[Tienshin]

Of course, one name I noticed missing from yesterday's events was that of American Dad. When I asked Joe at the network about its omission, this is what he told me.

Which leads me to scratch my head since its missing from both the CN and Fox lineups all of sudden. I kinda miss that show.

Well reruns of American Dad will return to the AS line up on April 8th at 10PM. Too bad FOX's upfrant isn't until Mid May, but I thought I read not too long ago that American Dad was renewed.

[Sketch]

Sketch, what are you talking about? Aside from Bobobobo every show on Toonami is action.

Cybertron? Last 3 episodes have basically been huge battle after huge battle with no room for breathing. - Yeah I tend to overlook Cybertron... sorry about that
Zatch Bell? Fighting show that blends in comedy. - Zatch Bell I'll give ya, as it has some great fights
One Piece? Action Adventure. - It was but the snips here and there often ruin the fights and 4kids drowns it in more silly dialogue than the show originally had

If Cybertron, Zatch and One Piece aren't action shows, then nothing aside from DBZ is... - Yu Yu Hakusho, Rurouni Kenshin, Megas XLR, JLU, Samurai Jack, Ninja Turtles, Dragonball, Naruto, Hunter x Hunter, Saint Seiya, heck... Shaman King has more action than 4kids One Piece.

Naruto is the best action Toonami has to offer (which is darn good mind you) but the supporting programs need to be more action packed. Bleach would have been good for that. You and I both agree 4kids OP is a joke and shouldn't even be on Toonami right? Zatch Bell works, but another aciton-packed show to air near Naruto would be really nice. Heck... go ahead put DBZ reruns at 9:30. I'd watch those.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Naruto is the best action Toonami has to offer (which is darn good mind you) but the supporting programs need to be more action packed. Bleach would have been good for that. You and I both agree 4kids OP is a joke and shouldn't even be on Toonami right? Zatch Bell works, but another aciton-packed show to air near Naruto would be really nice. Heck... go ahead put DBZ reruns at 9:30. I'd watch those.

Cybertron is acton packed. Zatch Bell is action packed(watch the Bari fight and tell me it isn't one of the 5 best episodes to air on Toonami last year. I dare you).

Kahn Piece sucks, but it has a lot of action, too.

Every show doesn't need to be non-stop action(and Naruto isn't even that, there's plenty of long flashbacks and exposition).

[Tienshin]

Can we knock off the state of Toonami action programming debate please? Thanks.

There IS a forum for that afterall.

[tigerrunner]

All I've gotta say is thank God (Satan?) that Lucy got picked up. I was worried that AS was going to ditch it. I'm pretty excited about all the new originals and aquisitions, but the ATHF movie? Eh, not so much. I doubt they'll be able to pull off a feature-length film. But good luck anyway.

[Delthayre]

All I've gotta say is thank God (Satan?) that Lucy got picked up. I was worried that AS was going to ditch it. I'm pretty excited about all the new originals and aquisitions, but the ATHF movie? Eh, not so much. I doubt they'll be able to pull off a feature-length film. But good luck anyway.

Well, they've been working on the film for most of the last year (or summat like that). So they've mostly done it, but it does remain to be seen if they've pulled it off.

[Nyarl]

Conan is a detective show, whereas Bleach is an actual action show. Its like night and day.

You're just using a different set of labels. I doubt Adult Swim will want to use a strident definition for "action" any more than it wants to use a strident definition of "adult" to exclude potential shows from consideration.

[The Myst]

Especially 12OZMO, it's one of the best shows still running.

And I seriously can't wait for the ATHF movie. I'm positive it'll be great.

You may be a fan of Minoriteam, Moral Orel, and Tom Goes To The Mayor. You may have bashed really good episodes of Family Guy. But damn it, 12OZMO fans have to stick together because I think you and I are one of the five fans in existence of it! *Hugs Daffy.*

[The Myst]

All I've gotta say is thank God (Satan?) that Lucy got picked up. I was worried that AS was going to ditch it. I'm pretty excited about all the new originals and aquisitions, but the ATHF movie? Eh, not so much. I doubt they'll be able to pull off a feature-length film. But good luck anyway.

Well, they've been working on the film for most of the last year (or summat like that). So they've mostly done it, but it does remain to be seen if they've pulled it off.

They managed to pull off a half-hour of it with the clip show and that was hilarious. Plus, they've put a great deal of money (All the budget for season four which is why we only got three episodes in December. They couldn't make the other ten until late this year, as announced at the Upfront.) and time into this movie, as well as booking high profile guest stars like Neil Peart of Rush. I doubt Matt and Dave would go to this much trouble for the movie if they weren't making it really good.

Which leads me to scratch my head since its missing from both the CN and Fox lineups all of sudden. I kinda miss that show.

Well reruns of American Dad will return to the AS line up on April 8th at 10PM. Too bad FOX's upfrant isn't until Mid May, but I thought I read not too long ago that American Dad was renewed.

I'm actually happy American Dad is being somewhat buried. I found it enjoyable but nowhere near as good as Family Guy. However, Matt Weitzmann and Mike Barker both left Family Guy for American Dad and Seth MacFarlane has been having to focus on two shows at once which I feel is the biggest reason the episodes since "The Father, The Son, And The Holy Fonz" haven't been as good as the rest of season four. I think it's just getting to the point where Seth is getting strained here working on both. I also know that none of the most recent ones have been written by Seth and I don't think Seth was even a big part of the writing process of these as part of the staff of writers. I think it would do a world of good for Family Guy if American Dad got canceled.

[Freedom Fighter]

WB and CN switch shows a lot, so no. If Bleach doesn't do well, I want to say we may see it on Toonami. Thing is, as I recall, YYH and Candidate for Goddess were originally edited for Toonami in the first place, so it wasn't that big a deal for them to just switch it over. Bleach will be edited for Adult Swim, and although the "looser" restrictions for the late block may make it easier to air on Toonami, it still may be unlikely for Bleach to be moved to Toonami even if it fails on AS.Kids' WB and CN can swap shows because they share the same target audience. CN and AS do not. Even if Eureka 7 and Bleach aren't all that adult, the fact is that Adult Swim the network picked up, not Adult Swim, the block that runs at nights on Cartoon Network. Aside from the 'graveyard hour' shows (which all just old shows pretty much anyone today would watch anyhow), I don't think there will be any more swapping of shows between CN and AS. If Eureka 7 fails before it reaches the end, it's gone. If Bleach fails before its end, it's gone. At this point, there's no reason to believe AS will give those shows to CN if they fail and stick them in CN's lone 'graveyard hour' on very late Friday nights/very early Saturday mornings.

[Sketch]

Kids' WB and CN can swap shows because they share the same target audience. CN and AS do not. Even if Eureka 7 and Bleach aren't all that adult, the fact is that Adult Swim the network picked up, not Adult Swim, the block that runs at nights on Cartoon Network. Aside from the 'graveyard hour' shows (which all just old shows pretty much anyone today would watch anyhow), I don't think there will be any more swapping of shows between CN and AS. If Eureka 7 fails before it reaches the end, it's gone. If Bleach fails before its end, it's gone. At this point, there's no reason to believe AS will give those shows to CN if they fail and stick them in CN's lone 'graveyard hour' on very late Friday nights/very early Saturday mornings.

Especially since when YYH leaves so does that hour so SEED and .hack//Legend don't finish their current runs.

Eureka 7 can't be saved.

Bleach... most likely not but Viz might pull a YYH if they are desperate. They paid a lot for Bleach and at this point it could obviously air on Toonami.

[Jazman]

I'm actually happy American Dad is being somewhat buried. I found it enjoyable but nowhere near as good as Family Guy. However, Matt Weitzmann and Mike Barker both left Family Guy for American Dad and Seth MacFarlane has been having to focus on two shows at once which I feel is the biggest reason the episodes since "The Father, The Son, And The Holy Fonz" haven't been as good as the rest of season four. I think it's just getting to the point where Seth is getting strained here working on both. I also know that none of the most recent ones have been written by Seth and I don't think Seth was even a big part of the writing process of these as part of the staff of writers. I think it would do a world of good for Family Guy if American Dad got canceled.

American Dad was renewed a while back, at the same time FOX renewed Family Guy for '06-'07. The reason for the break was the absence of a completed episode. So while they were working on that, FOX threw in "Free Ride" which anyday looks to be canned. Only 19 episodes were requested for the first season.

I do think that Seth is strained. He's been working on both shows, and now that live action comedy he's heading with Ricky Blitt, so my guess is he's overdue for a break. However, Mike and Matt are really the head shots for American Dad, while Seth really just does the vocal work and some of the production. Family Guy is still his child.

On to Upfront!
New Series:

Death Clock Metalocalypse: Sounds Awesome. Let's see the results.

Frisky Dingo: It's from the Sealab Guys. I'll take a peak, but I'm still mad about that last season they did. Such a shame.

Assy McGee: Like the name;)

Saul of the Mole Men: Live Action? Green Screen? Pass.

Lucy, The Daughter of the Devil: Sounds Fun.

New Seasons of Existing Series:

Robot Chicken: Not surprised. I'll Check back into the 2nd season

Family Guy: Again, No Surprise. How about not playing "skip-a-week" this year with the schedule, or is it cause of some stupid FOX agreement like American Dad.

Tom Goes to The Mayor: Never Liked it, but may give it one more chance.

The Venture Bros: Thank You! I'm on board.

Aqua Teen Hunger Force: Cool, but the quality needs to pick up. "Boost Mobile" has to be the worst one I"ve ever seen IMO, and if that's the new trend, then I'm sitting season 6 out.

12oz. Mouse: Pass.

Squidbillies: Pass.

Harvey Birdman, Attorney at Law: Very Awesome. My Favorite AS show, and to think, I thought it was no more. On Board.

[Jedah Dohma]

I'm glad to see Venture Brothers start their second season. Looking forward to June 25th. Also looking forward to Robot Chicken. For sure I'll be watching Family Guy and Harvey.

Bleach. Can't say I'm surprised it's on AS. I'll still watch nonetheless. Looking forward to Eureka 7.

[Jedah Dohma]

Bleach... most likely not but Viz might pull a YYH if they are desperate. They paid a lot for Bleach and at this point it could obviously air on Toonami.

I hope Bleach is successful. More promotion would do it plenty of good.

[Rabi~en~Rose]

Neat:

Death Clock Metalocalypse
Robot Chicken
Family Guy
Tom Goes to The Mayor
The Venture Bros.
Aqua Teen Hunger Force
Squidbillies

Not:

Frisky Dingo
Assy McGee
Saul of the Mole Men
Lucy, The Daughter of the Devil
12oz. Mouse
Harvey Birdman, Attorney at Law
Korgoth of Barbaria
That Crook’d ‘Sip

things are about even which can be good or bad I hope the Not list turns out to be better then their descriptions make them out to be :sweat: by the way where is American Dad??

[song cycle]

Didn't we already know that 12 Oz Mouse was picked up? They showed all those clips from the next season on New Year's Eve.

Or was Matt just slaving away at those episodes in his basement, just crossing his fingers and hoping that AS would say yes to airing them once they saw the final product?

[Beat]

I think it's just a re-confirmation to stockholders. Sort of a "in case you forgot" sort of thing.

[Discloner]

I think it's just a re-confirmation to stockholders. Sort of a "in case you forgot" sort of thing.You mean advertisers? The Upfront meetings are for advertisers to determine where their money will be best spent in the coming year. To my knowledge....AS doesn't have specific stock, I don't think CN does for that matter either. :p

[The Myst]

Aqua Teen Hunger Force: Cool, but the quality needs to pick up. "Boost Mobile" has to be the worst one I"ve ever seen IMO, and if that's the new trend, then I'm sitting season 6 out.

Well, "Dirtfoot" and "Aqua Teen Hunger Force Star Studded Christmas Spectacular Starring Rhon Geremi" were both great episodes in my opinion, especially "Aqua Teen Hunger Force Star Studded Christmas Spectacular Starring Rhon Geremi". "Boost Mobile" was ok but it was mostly their answer to being told to do some product placement for Boost Mobile: an entire episode making fun of Boost Mobile and product placement. But since "Boost Mobile" was one of three new episodes and two were were good, I doubt it's gonna be bad next season.

For my part, I didn't think "Boost Mobile" was as bad as everyone says. It wasn't a classic but I liked it better than "Hypno-Germs".
(http://www.aquateencentral.com/epguide/christmasspecial.php)

[Taylor Karras]

Most of the new shows suck, Adult Swim is becoming a degenerate wasteland of generic comedy and action shows.

Adult Swim will dump action and toonami will pick up all of Adult Swim's old Action Shows and aim for a Mature Audience.

EDIT:

Aqua Teen Hunger Force: Cool, but the quality needs to pick up. "Boost Mobile" has to be the worst one I"ve ever seen IMO, and if that's the new trend, then I'm sitting season 6 out.

How could you say that, Boost Mobile is the best episode to date. Me like Shameless Advertising.

[Sage Shinigami]

Most of the new shows suck, Adult Swim is becoming a degenerate wasteland of generic comedy and action shows.

Adult Swim will dump action and toonami will pick up all of Adult Swim's old Action Shows and aim for a Mature Audience.

EDIT:


How could you say that, Boost Mobile is the best episode to date. Me like Shameless Advertising.

I hope you don't think that about Toonami for real....

[Fresh V]

BleachOMFG DAMMIT DAMMIT DAMMIT

Ugh....

Well, Rahxepy said before Viz was planning to put it on Toonami. So Viz probably wanted it on Toonami, but Toonami said no for some stupid reason. So it ended up going to AS. But, I could be wrong, and Viz was aiming it for AS from the beginning.

But, either way, it's going to AS now. It has its pros. It'll be uncut, and Viz won't make their own OP and ED (Asterick will stay =]). But it also has its cons. AS sucks at promoting anime. The best timeslot for Bleach would be 11:00, right after Toonami, IMO. But I really don't think that's gonna happen. I bet it'll get a timeslot at 12:00 or something.

It'd do so much better on Toonami, but oh well. Nothing I can do to change it.

Other stuff looks good. I can't wait to see Eureka 7.

[Taylor Karras]

OMFG DAMMIT DAMMIT DAMMIT

Ugh....

Well, Rahxepy said before Viz was planning to put it on Toonami. So Viz probably wanted it on Toonami, but Toonami said no for some stupid reason. So it ended up going to AS. But, I could be wrong, and Viz was aiming it for AS from the beginning.

But, either way, it's going to AS now. It has its pros. It'll be uncut, and Viz won't make their own OP and ED (Asterick will stay =]). But it also has its cons. AS sucks at promoting anime. The best timeslot for Bleach would be 11:00, right after Toonami, IMO. But I really don't think that's gonna happen. I bet it'll get a timeslot at 12:00 or something.

It'd do so much better on Toonami, but oh well. Nothing I can do to change it.

Other stuff looks good. I can't wait to see Eureka 7.

Uh, Bleach won't be uncut. It's going to be TV-PG-V, EDIT: Most of the shows on Adult Swim Action aren't even mature, The only good action shows are Neon Genesis Evangellion, Ghost In The Shell, Fullmetal Alchemist, and Samurai Champloo, Those Shows are mature and belong on Adult Swim, The rest of the shows should be put on Toonami.

Oh, And that's what I seriously think of Toonami.

[Dr. Anime]

Uh, Bleach won't be uncut. It's going to be TV-PG-V, EDIT: Most of the shows on Adult Swim Action aren't even mature, The only good action shows are Neon Genesis Evangellion, Ghost In The Shell, Fullmetal Alchemist, and Samurai Champloo, Those Shows are mature and belong on Adult Swim, The rest of the shows should be put on Toonami.

Oh, And that's what I seriously think of Toonami.

wait where did you hear Bleach was going to be TV PG from what I've heard if Bleach was uncut it would only push it into TV 14. They can show it uncut they showed Neon Genesis Evangelion episdoe 18 uncut.

[Fresh V]

Uh, Bleach won't be uncut. It's going to be TV-PG-V, EDIT: Most of the shows on Adult Swim Action aren't even mature, The only good action shows are Neon Genesis Evangellion, Ghost In The Shell, Fullmetal Alchemist, and Samurai Champloo, Those Shows are mature and belong on Adult Swim, The rest of the shows should be put on Toonami.

Oh, And that's what I seriously think of Toonami.
I'm talking about AS. It's gonna be uncut on AS. I think you read my post wrong.