C&C - Neon Genesis Evangelion - "Rei III" [3/24]

[Artimus Gigan]

"Because good duos always come in threes"
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Oh btw Shinji, they cloned your mother again for the spin-off, she was so hot the first,second,third,fourth,fith,sixth, seventh,etc.etc. etc. time around, we just had to see her as a brunette- Dad
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Oh and I found a picture of Tienshin:
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[tb4000]

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It's like he's looking into your soul...wooo.....:eek:

[Duke]

That detective pic is awesome. Especially Gendo.

But the next-to-final pic is just perfect. :cool:

[Strollymonster]

I just bought the Platinum DVD collection from Amazon this past week, and it was more than worth it for only $45 for six DVDs.

I just watched this episode in the director's cut, and it was far better than the regular one (as well as a good deal more disturbing).

This is the final "Rei" title episode, but it's not the last we see of Rei.

Now we discover her true nature, as well as deal with the 16th Angel.

It's a great episode, but there are few that aren't.

[Duke]

WHY is ADV suddenly replacing the text in Eva? What's the point?

[Chrono1995]

Two questions:

1. Is it just me, or is the intro zoomed in?
2. Is it just me, or is the picture jittering in every scene?

[Artimus Gigan]

WHY is ADV suddenly replacing the text in Eva? What's the point?
Director's Cut?

[Duke]

Director's Cut?
I own the DCs, they still had the Japanese text.

[Chrono1995]

This episode makes me wish they had the Director's Cut. The scene where Unit-00 briefly turns into Rei right before exploding is awesome, to say the least.

This episode makes me sad.

[Strollymonster]

This episode makes me wish they had the Director's Cut. The scene where Unit-00 briefly turns into Rei right before exploding is awesome, to say the least.

This episode makes me sad.

I just wish they would have gone with the remastered Platinum episodes...they're SO much better quality than this that it's ridiculuous. No shakiness, pan'n scan, or the blurriness that the backgrounds get...seriously, people, go take advantage of Amazon's awesome deal on the box set of Platinum, it's completely and totally worth it!

Not to mention it would have included the entire part where the angel more or less causes Unit 00's flesh to expand out of it's armor like crazy, or the little people coming out of the pilot's skin, or Unit 01 fighting off the angel...

[Chrono1995]

I just wish they would have gone with the remastered Platinum episodes...they're SO much better quality than this that it's ridiculuous. No shakiness, pan'n scan, or the blurriness that the backgrounds get...

Not to mention it would have included the entire part where the angel more or less causes Unit 00's flesh to expand out of it's armor like crazy, or the little people coming out of the pilot's skin, or Unit 01 fighting off the angel...

Eva's lack of a budget at this point really shines through on this episode and the next. But yeah, I really miss those scenes and the flawless quality and then some now that I've seen the DC version.

But yeah, let's shut up and watch the rest 'cause now I'm feeling shortchanged.

[Duke]

...Yet more digitally altering, and this one looks really crappy.

"We do not wish you to be in shame"
Yea, that's why they forced Ritsuko to be butt naked.

Aww, they cut out Ritsu's butt shot.

[Chrono1995]

Was that scene with Ritsuko just edited? That hold on SOUND 01 seemed longer than usual. Speaking of "dignified manner", I always wondered why they interrogated her naked.

[Strollymonster]

Was that scene with Ritsuko just edited? That hold on SOUND 01 seemed longer than usual. Speaking of "dignified manner", I always wondered why they interrogated her naked.

Yeah, they zoomed to the SEELE obelisk thingie.

SEELE is just a little bit perverse...wonder if their job interviews are always conducted with nudity.

Look, the world's most disturbing fish tank! Coming next summer to a Sea World near you!

[TnAdct1]

This is Neon Jeopardy Evangelion! :D

[Beat]

Great. So naked interrogations, and now endless Rei clones.

What the hell?!

[Chrono1995]

Yeah, they zoomed to the SEELE obelisk thingie.

SEELE is just a little bit perverse...wonder if their job interviews are always conducted with nudity.

Look, the world's most disturbing fish tank! Coming next summer to a Sea World near you!
That makes me wonder...if the Reis can be shown naked, and Shinji can see Misato, Asuka, and Rei naked in episode 20...um...inconsistency?

But yeah, the way this episode ended always put me off.

[Duke]

And now you see just how limited the budget is. You'll see more limited budget in Episode 26.

[Chrono1995]

And now you see just how limited the budget is. You'll see more limited budget in Episode 26.
My favorite example of this: the "Angelic Days" sequence stops being animated 3/4 of the way through and reverts to scans of the storyboards. And let's not forget the loooooooooooong pan of Shinji in the fog.

[Beat]

So after next week it's safe to watch End of Eva?

[Scorpio_G]

Well, this is where i started watching eva. And i'm Still freaking confused can someone please explain it to me? ^^' Also, i typed this message all on my phone! Phone with internet rules

[BigBear]

And now you see just how limited the budget is. You'll see more limited budget in Episode 26.

You'll see more of it next week with "The longest death scene EVER"

[Chrono1995]

You'll see more of it next week with "The longest death scene EVER"

But at least the music's pretty.

[Hyper Shadow X]

Alot of wacky stuff happened this week.

[BigBear]

So after next week it's safe to watch End of Eva?

Yeah. If I remember correctly, there are two versions of the last two episodes, the series eps.(confusing) and the movie EOE(confusing & VIOLENT).

[Vallen Valiant]

Just to lighten the mood around here...

Fresh out of the factory, here is the latest product from Gainax for their 10 year EVA anniversary....

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A Unit-01 Mountain bike!:D

Yes, it's for sale. Gainaxshop is taking pre-orders.

[TnAdct1]

You'll see more of it next week with "The longest death scene EVER" No to mention the running gag of AMV Hell 2. :anime:

[A.Magik]

This comparison will be unfinished due to the lack of manga material. So far, the most recently published volume 9 only adapted parts of 23 and 24 (though a new volume is said to have been published this month in Japan). I will write down what parts of 25 was adapted, and how some changes were made. Anything not noted means a lack of material (instead of not adapted).

What was adapted:
-The Angel battle, up until Rei and her EVA are impaled (that’s where the manga volume ends).
-Gendo’s meeting with SEELE over the lost spear.
-Ritsuko’s call to her grandmother about a dead cat, and her view of an old computer photo of her, mom, and Gendo.

Differences:
-The manga adds Gendo making a paused reaction in learning he may no longer have a seat with SEELE.
-The manga adds a scene before the Angel attack, where Shinji meets up with Rei. However, he finds that the Rei who once asked to touch his hand is now hesitant of such intimacy (BTW, this is the Rei we all know and love). She tells Shinji that with things so wrong as they are, it doesn’t seem right for them to talk like friends again. Shinji ponders to himself that their relationship has been closed off since they met, but he wonders if any progress is still possible.
-In the manga, Asuka does not sleep over at Hikari’s house, nor does she despair in her EVA during the Angel battle. Keep in mind that manga Asuka is already a catatonic vegetable at this point.
-An added scene has Shinji despairing in his EVA while the battle goes on. He feels useless for not having a role in fighting the Angel.
-In fighting the Angel, Rei has assistance from Unit 02. But this time, Unit 02 is not piloted by Asuka or by a dummy plug. Unit 02 also wields a rifle, and then a giant dual saw (anyone have a picture to show what I'm talking about?). Neither weapon does the job in killing the Angel, who ends up encroaching Unit 02 through the dual saw.
-In the anime, Ritsuko tells Shinji about his witnessing his mother’s disappearance. In the manga, it’s Kaji who does that way back before the ‘Toji/Angel’ incident.

A.Magik

[Brent Long]

The edit list is up in the thread.

[Strollymonster]

So after next week it's safe to watch End of Eva?

Well, yes and no...

I was introduced to Eva by first watching Death and Rebirth. After that, I watched End of Evangelion.

Since I just got the NGE Platinum collection this last week, I just got around to watching the last two episodes today...and I was satisfied. I can understand why a lot of fans were disappointed, but the way they wrapped up the character development made a lot of the points the series was making much clearer than they had been when I watched EoE.

So yes, I'd recommend watching End of Evangelion after next week's episode, then watch 25 and 26, which are supposed to take place in Shinji's mind during the events of Third Impact.

This will give a lot more insight and clarification into End of Eva, no matter what conclusion you drew from it.

[Kamaria]

So where exactly in the episode can you tell that there were budget cuts?

[Duke]

So where exactly in the episode can you tell that there were budget cuts?
Well, most of the episode itself didn't have much animation, and the next-episode preview is entirely storyboards.

[Sandoz]

Well, most of the episode itself didn't have much animation, and the next-episode preview is entirely storyboards.
There was also more recycled animation, like the "Misato's late to NERV" sequence.

[A.Magik]

Well, one thing is certain about tonight's episode...

If Kaji is the Hughes of EVA (Actually the other way around, but let's ignore that...), then Gendo is the Tenchi of the series, possessing the ability to get women to fall for him. Asuka and Misato would have been easy prey if he turned his attentions to them.

On a different note, I heard somewhere that when Misato tried to console Shinji, she was planning to do more than hold his hand (!).

On another different note, I read a scene in the alternate EVA universe manga Heavenly Days, where Ritsuko tells Shinji rather bluntly that she likes his father very much (in this universe, Yui's alive). Shinji then spends the rest of the day very stunned by the doctor's words.

A.Magik

[G1Ravage]

Well, most of the episode itself didn't have much animation, and the next-episode preview is entirely storyboards.

Were the storyboards used for some twisted sense of artistic design, or were they seriously used because they had no budget to animate them?

[Steiner]

On a different note, I heard somewhere that when Misato tried to console Shinji, she was planning to do more than hold his hand (!).
A.Magik

Where'd you hear that? She's twice his age; although with their messed up psyches, who knows.

[Vallen Valiant]

Where'd you hear that? She's twice his age; although with their messed up psyches, who knows.

I know the source; I own a copy.

It's from one of those official data-books, which discusses the series in 2~3 episode blocks per book. It mentioned that Misato was prepared to use her body to comfort him, because she didn't think there was any other way to comfort him...

...but then she realised later, that it wasn't Shinji, but herself, who wanted comfort.

(note: the databooks exist in either the original Japanese or the Traditional Chinese format. I own the latter.)

[Space Chief]

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I've been waiting to post that...

[beren]

In regard to the platinum edition, some people like the original Star Wars trilogy, some people like the new version George Lucas made with the better technology and added material. I think it is a matter of perspective, I wouldn't midn watching the platinum version as I haven't seen it however.

Also when Misato caresses Shinji's hand and says "Is there anything I can do to make you feel better?" I really thought that(sex) was exactly what she was talking about. Shinji's reply "Don't touch me!", I mean come on, =).

[Duke]

23
24
EOE
25
26

Is this the right order?
More like...

-Episode 23
-Episode 24
-Episode 25 TV/Episode 25 EOE
-Episode 26 TV/Episode 26 EOE

[Zam]

On this episode: I don't know why, but seeing an animated character cry freaks me more than a real actor. :confused:

[RAINMAN]

I may just may have to watch those plutim edition to see what really going on. at this point i started wondering if gendo really did love yuie like he clame he does?

[Duke]

at this point i started wondering if gendo really did love yuie like he clame he does?
End of Eva answers that.

[Steiner]

Also when Misato caresses Shinji's hand and says "Is there anything I can do to make you feel better?" I really thought that(sex) was exactly what she was talking about. Shinji's reply "Don't touch me!", I mean come on, =).

Just shows you that Shinji is not a normal teenager.

[Zam]

Just shows you that Shinji is not a normal teenager.

Stupid Shinji!

[Duke]

Stupid Shinji!
If Misato wasn't a part of NERV or so heavily involved with the Evas, he would've taken her up on her offer.

[NahMan85]

If Misato wasn't a part of NERV or so heavily involved with the Evas, he would've taken her up on her offer.
Damn skippy. :D

[Zam]

Weird... Eva and Gits shared the same scene of "stupid kid misses the oportunity to get some" at the same weekend.

[RAINMAN]

Don`t you guys think y`all talking her line out of context?:sweat:

[Master Moron]

Don`t you guys think y`all talking her line out of context?:sweat:

I actually missed last Thursday's episode(I saw the series about 10 years ago). But, there is something more to Misato and Shinji's relationship than just a mother son type thing.

[Timmay]

I actually missed last Thursday's episode(I saw the series about 10 years ago). But, there is something more to Misato and Shinji's relationship than just a mother son type thing.
And of course then there's.. The "adult" kiss in EoE.

[Vallen Valiant]

Don`t you guys think y`all talking her line out of context?:sweat:
Nope. As I said before, I've got the official source that confirms the intent of her line.

[KojiroTakenashi]

Watching Eva feels like wallowing in morons and angst.

The whole series is Gendo's fault. It really, truly is...

But I digress. There ARE comedy spinoffs of Eva, right? This one thing called "Perfect Girlfriend" I've heard about...any kind of infos on those?

[The Fullmetal]

Weird... Eva and Gits shared the same scene of "stupid kid misses the oportunity to get some" at the same weekend.

Hey, you're right. I didn't even realize that.

[Nimarmo]

Nope. As I said before, I've got the official source that confirms the intent of her line.

So what book was that?

[LiquidXIR]

Yeah, there are a few Eva spin offs (sanctioned by Gainax) from a certain segment in episode 26.

Should be appearing in a few months under the title Angelic Days, it's like if Love Hina and Evangelion merged, it's pretty funny

[Vallen Valiant]

So what book was that?

[NewType]Evangelion TV Filmbooks. Out of print, these days. (Not surprising, since the TV episode info books has more information than pictures, and as such has less sale value as the books get older.)
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The information is in either book 9, above, or book 8. Most likely book 8.
...and do ignore the guy next to Shinji. He is nobody important.:sweat:
The ISBN number for volume 8 is 4-04-852615-4

[SS4goku]

Dude are you'll guys for real, do you'll really think misato likes shinji more than she claims? I don't know but after kaji's death i would believe that she would miss around with anybidy including the ladies.:shrug:

[Vallen Valiant]

Dude are you'll guys for real, do you'll really think misato likes shinji more than she claims? I don't know but after kaji's death i would believe that she would miss around with anybidy including the ladies.:shrug:

Misato said it herself; she is lonely, especially since now that Kaji is dead. Misato never dated any guy other than Kaji even after all this time. And now that he's dead, in a way, she is a kite with its string cut. Ritsuko, her remaining friend, could no longer be trusted.

[Warrior Kitana]

Misato said it herself; she is lonely, especially since now that Kaji is dead. Misato never dated any guy other than Kaji even after all this time. And now that he's dead, in a way, she is a kite with its string cut. Ritsuko, her remaining friend, could no longer be trusted.

I can't really explain this well, so I'll try. I agree with Vallen Valiant on this. I don't think it's really Misato 'liking Shinji more than she lets on' but more her feeling lonely and wanting to be intimate with someone now that Kaji's dead. Remember Misato has just as many problems as Shinji and Asuka. She has issues with men in general. I think Misato uses sex as a tool to save her from lonliness and issues she has (both from the daddy issues of her childhood and witnessing 2nd impact). Remember in eps 21, the flashback shows from Ritsuko's POV that during their college days Misato and Kaji would engage in sex constantly. More will be revealed about Misato and her issues in a few more eps. Plus in EOE, we get more ensight into her relationship with Shinji as well.

In the EOE, Misato, near death, encourages Shinji to go on and pilot EVA. However at the end she passionately kisses him. In a way, she uses men (in general) to make her feel better

[KojiroTakenashi]

So basically Eva is just showcasing Natural Selection? XD

[Strollymonster]

So basically Eva is just showcasing Natural Selection? XD

I'd say Existentialism more than anything else...

[djthomp]

Yeah, there are a few Eva spin offs (sanctioned by Gainax) from a certain segment in episode 26.

Should be appearing in a few months under the title Angelic Days, it's like if Love Hina and Evangelion merged, it's pretty funny
Will it be manga or anime?

[Sandoz]

Will it be manga or anime?
It's manga (and not a particularly good one, either).

[LiquidXIR]

Yeah, the art needs work and the dialogue is kinda ripped from the game of the same name (not released in America). It's not the worst thing ever by any means and might be worth a purchase if you have disposable income about but otherwise far from required reading

[RAINMAN]

I can't really explain this well, so I'll try. I agree with Vallen Valiant on this. I don't think it's really Misato 'liking Shinji more than she lets on' but more her feeling lonely and wanting to be intimate with someone now that Kaji's dead. Remember Misato has just as many problems as Shinji and Asuka. She has issues with men in general. I think Misato uses sex as a tool to save her from lonliness and issues she has (both from the daddy issues of her childhood and witnessing 2nd impact). Remember in eps 21, the flashback shows from Ritsuko's POV that during their college days Misato and Kaji would engage in sex constantly. More will be revealed about Misato and her issues in a few more eps. Plus in EOE, we get more ensight into her relationship with Shinji as well.

In the EOE, Misato, near death, encourages Shinji to go on and pilot EVA. However at the end she passionately kisses him. In a way, she uses men (in general) to make her feel better




Althougth she does have a complex reletionship whit shinji, I still think you guys are taking things out of context. She really does care for shinji(unlike his dad who don`t) and would do anything to make his life easer. But I really dought she had such ideas in her head when she reach out to shinj. Besides she knew he had a thing for rei. Nor did she have a bunch of one night stands after the brake up whit kaiji, otherwise she would have gotten on whit every guy at nerv.

[Vallen Valiant]

But I really dought she had such ideas in her head when she reach out to shinj.

You can "think" all you like. But since it's official, it's not real up for debate.

[Zam]

she would have gotten on whit every guy at nerv.

Actually, there's a lot of hentai based on that idea. :sweat: :sweat: :sweat:

[Vallen Valiant]

Actually, there's a lot of hentai based on that idea. :sweat: :sweat: :sweat:
Except there was every possibility that she remain celibate after she dumped Kaji back then. She said it herself; there WAS no "other guy", even though that was the excuse she used to dump him. Misato was scared that she is attracted to the same type of workaholic men her mother married to, and she know full well what it means to be the lover of such people. Watching her own mother crying herself to sleep everynight made her frightened of being in her mum's shoes.

It's mentioned in the past that Misato is feeling the cultural pressue of being a single woman approaxhing 30 years old. (It's an old Japan thing... Women over he age of 30 are not considered marriable. Incorrect in real life, of course, but who said old traditions are suppose to make sense?)

[Sandoz]

Except there was every possibility that she remain celibate after she dumped Kaji back then. She said it herself; there WAS no "other guy", even though that was the excuse she used to dump him. I took that bit of dialogue to mean that she hadn't slept with any other guy since arriving in Tokyo-3, which we know to be true since she arrived right before Shinji did.

I find it hard to believe that Kaji was the only man Misato ever slept with. If she'd been celibate for eight years, sleeping only with a man she actually loved, the whole "You'll sleep with anyone/you uses sex as an escape" issue which is a huge part of her Complementation, wouldn't be an issue at all.

[Vallen Valiant]

I took that bit of dialogue to mean that she hadn't slept with any other guy since arriving in Tokyo-3, which we know to be true since she arrived right before Shinji did.

I find it hard to believe that Kaji was the only man Misato ever slept with. If she'd been celibate for eight years, sleeping only with a man she actually loved, the whole "You'll sleep with anyone/you uses sex as an escape" issue which is a huge part of her Complementation, wouldn't be an issue at all.

A 'possibility' doesn't mean 'certainty'.:)

I was merely making a suggestion. And anyway...the complimentation statements doesn't have to be related to events BEFORE the TV series. It could merely be making clear the fact that Misato was willing to sleep with Shinji to lessen her own pain and turmoil.

[SS4goku]

A 'possibility' doesn't mean 'certainty'.:)

I was merely making a suggestion. And anyway...the complimentation statements doesn't have to be related to events BEFORE the TV series. It could merely be making clear the fact that Misato was willing to sleep with Shinji to lessen her own pain and turmoil.

If Misato was willing to sleep with shinji than she must be more crazier than I thought. Yes, I know that she lost kaji and all but a little kid come on, she's not Michal Jackson here guys.

[Duke]

If Misato was willing to sleep with shinji than she must be more crazier than I thought. Yes, I know that she lost kaji and all but a little kid come on, she's not Michal Jackson here guys.
Well, there's not much other choice. The only other main men in her life are Gendo (She's far too pissed at Risuko and Gendo to be sleeping with him), Fuyutsuki (uh...no), Hyuga (Granted, he'd jump at the chance, but he's not a main character), and Aoba (who probably doesn't even register on Misato's radar).

[SS4goku]

Well, there's not much other choice. The only other main men in her life are Gendo (She's far too pissed at Risuko and Gendo to be sleeping with him), Fuyutsuki (uh...no), Hyuga (Granted, he'd jump at the chance, but he's not a main character), and Aoba (who probably doesn't even register on Misato's radar).

Duke, I can understand your point here but Misato sleeping with shinji wouldn't help her one bit. Let's not forget about poor shinji, the guy dont even have a mom anymore, and sleeping with misato wont help him either, it would prob. destryo the little kid life.

[Sandoz]

Well, there's not much other choice. The only other main men in her life are Gendo (She's far too pissed at Risuko and Gendo to be sleeping with him), Fuyutsuki (uh...no), Hyuga (Granted, he'd jump at the chance, but he's not a main character), and Aoba (who probably doesn't even register on Misato's radar). And Shinji's her legal ward. Even putting aside the age difference or the fact that they've never had a mother/son relationship, that's definitely a line she should have never thought of crossing. (But of course we already know that Misato's not the most stable of individuals...)

[Beat]

A mother figure (even one as screwed up in the head as Misato) attempting to enter that relationship with the supposed child figure (Shinji) will irreperably damage the relationship of trust between the two and create a new relationship where the child figure feels alone and isolated.

To paraphrase Cartman- "I can't believe all this time Misato just wanted me for sex."

[SS4goku]

I think Misato wouldn't have sex with shinji even know the fact that kaji is dead, she still have enough sense not to have sex with a kid. But the way you guys talk she wouldn't think twice.

[Duke]

I think Misato wouldn't have sex with shinji even know the fact that kaji is dead, she still have enough sense not to have sex with a kid. But the way you guys talk she wouldn't think twice.
That's because most of us have seen End of Eva. (AS really needs to schedule that and quickly)

[Bunai]

nude decapitated Rei's in a giant fish tank...
and everyone is going on about Misato and Shinji pairings :anime:

[Sandoz]

That's because most of us have seen End of Eva. (AS really needs to schedule that and quickly) (Big movie spoiler) Though it could be argued that Misato didn't really intend to fulfill that promise because she knew she was about to die.

[Vallen Valiant]

If Misato was willing to sleep with shinji than she must be more crazier than I thought. Yes, I know that she lost kaji and all but a little kid come on, she's not Michal Jackson here guys.

Consider Michael Jackson's present mental state, he would have fitted right into the cast of Evangelion.

Don't forget, Misato spent a large chunk of her childhood in a mental asylum, losing her ability to speak from the fright of witnessing 2nd Impact close-up.

These are NOT sane people. You don't survive the appocalypse without having a screw lose somewhere in your head. Proper and healthy relationships? That's thrown out of the window when things are going as badly as they are now. Misato KNOW someone killed Kaji, and she also knows there is nothing she could do about it. Shinji is as messed up as he was at the start, and now that the city was destroyed, he doesn't even have a school, let along classmates...

The city Shinji wanted to protect is gone. Life will never be the same again.

[Warrior Kitana]

And Shinji's her legal ward. Even putting aside the age difference or the fact that they've never had a mother/son relationship, that's definitely a line she should have never thought of crossing. (But of course we already know that Misato's not the most stable of individuals...)

I have to agree with you there. Wouldn't that be considered statutory rape on her part, had Misato had crossed that line with Shinji. Having a sexual experience with Shinji like she was intending to would definitely mentally damage the kid more worse than he already is. I mean, how would it look if 30 something year old Kaji came on to Asuka like that.

Consider Michael Jackson's present mental state, he would have fitted right into the cast of Evangelion.

MWUHAHA. Besides I'm pretty sure MJ and Shinji would have lots to talk about.:D

[Vallen Valiant]

I have to agree with you there. Wouldn't that be considered statutory rape on her part, had Misato had crossed that line with Shinji. Having a sexual experience with Shinji like she was intending to would definitely mentally damage the kid more worse than he already is. I mean, how would it look if 30 something year old Kaji came on to Asuka like that.

Mentally damage Shinji? Please, you are over-estimating the effect of sex.

Do tell me what damage would actually occur? We already know that Shinji fantasises about Misato.

And about Kaji? Asuka ripped her own shirt open to try and get him to bed her.

Good luck trying to mentally damage ANYONE in Evangelion. You literally need to be an angel like Ariel to cause more damage than what is already there.

[Beat]

It's hard to break something that's already been smashed into a billion pieces. And besides, if it wasn't for the recent events, we all know Shinji would have hopped on the good foot and did the bad thing.;)

[Warrior Kitana]

Mentally damage Shinji? Please, you are over-estimating the effect of sex.

Do tell me what damage would actually occur? We already know that Shinji fantasises about Misato.

And about Kaji? Asuka ripped her own shirt open to try and get him to bed her.

I know that the nearly the entire cast of Eva are nutcases. But Misato entering that sort of relationship with Shinji would only drive him further away from her (if not nearly damage their relationship), even if Shinji is already in his own screwed up world at this point. He already has trust issues and fear of being close to people. Misato is still his guardian.

I know Asuka came on to Kaji like that, but even he knew not to cross that line.

Shinji has fantasies about Asuka too and we saw where that led him...:shrug:

[Duke]

Shinji has fantasies about Asuka too and we saw where that led him...:shrug:
He ended up doing something just as sick.

[Strollymonster]

He ended up doing something just as sick.

Good times with comatose ladies :sweat:

I wouldn't underestimate any of the characters in this series when it comes to psychological problems, except maybe for Maya Ibuki...she's arguably the most normal and least-screwed-up of all, except for Pen-Pen :D

All this talk of pairings makes me wonder how you all will react to the next episode and Shinji's "yaoi-ish" new friend, the 17th Angel...

[Nimarmo]

I must say that at first I did not think that Misato was offering herself, but after an all-day NGE marathon with my new DVDs, the sub/director's cut makes it pretty clear that was her intent.

[Vallen Valiant]

I wouldn't underestimate any of the characters in this series when it comes to psychological problems, except maybe for Maya Ibuki...she's arguably the most normal and least-screwed-up of all, except for Pen-Pen :D

Which then begs the question...

If Maya Ibuki is the only sane human left, won't that make her the only insane person, while everyone else is sane?;) :p

[SS4goku]

I still say that if Shinji is smart enough not to cross the line, than Misato should be smart enough not to cross the line either.

[Duke]

I still say that if Shinji is smart enough not to cross the line, than Misato should be smart enough not to cross the line either.
Shinji's not crossing the line out of any kind of fear of the law or social standing or anything like that. He just doesn't want to be with Misato. It's out of his own fear and mental instability.

[SS4goku]

Shinji's not crossing the line out of any kind of fear of the law or social standing or anything like that. He just doesn't want to be with Misato. It's out of his own fear and mental instability.

I know and Misato doesn't want to be with Shinji either. Why cant we just accpt that?

[Vallen Valiant]

I know and Misato doesn't want to be with Shinji either. Why cant we just accpt that?
Why can't you accept the official information?

Misato was going to offer her body as a comforting method. That is a FACT, confirmed by Gainax. Do what you want, believe what you want to believe. But don't tell others to accept lies.

[Strollymonster]

I still say that if Shinji is smart enough not to cross the line, than Misato should be smart enough not to cross the line either.

Intelligence rarely, if ever, has anything to do with the decision to have sex. 99% of the time, it's simply giving in to natural instincts and the desire for pleasure winning out over one's inhibitions or other objections.

[Beat]

Why can't you accept the official information?

Misato was going to offer her body as a comforting method. That is a FACT, confirmed by Gainax. Do what you want, believe what you want to believe. But don't tell others to accept lies.

I love how this debate is still going on. The fact of the matter is, Misato was going to do something that was pretty stupid, but Shinji rebuffed her advances, making her realize the one who wanted comfort wasn't Shinji, but herself. It also shows that nice surrogate mother scenario she tried to set up being shot straight to hell.

[SS4goku]

Look as far as i can remember Misato never wanted shinji as a boyfriend, and next time i be a letter bit more specific, because of what I ment was that Misato never wanted shinji as a replacement over kaji.

[OverMaster]

I wouldn't underestimate any of the characters in this series when it comes to psychological problems, except maybe for Maya Ibuki...she's arguably the most normal and least-screwed-up of all, except for Pen-Pen :D
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Now, now. We also have Hikari.

[Strollymonster]

Now, now. We also have Hikari.

I don't know...I don't think Hikari could have come out completely unscathed when Toji got bludgeoned. Having someone that you like/love nearly killed by another friend of yours (even if she doesn't think it's his fault) could be pretty traumatic.

Hikari, Maya, and Pen-Pen should all star in an Evangelion spinoff :D

[SS4goku]

Have all of Shinji classmates left, except for Askua and Rei.

[Duke]

Have all of Shinji classmates left, except for Askua and Rei.
All the ones that matter (i.e. Toji, Hikari, and Kensuke) have, yes. And Hikari took Pen-Pen with her.

[Vallen Valiant]

Have all of Shinji classmates left, except for Askua and Rei.
The only people who have a place to stay are people who are important enough to live in the base itself, or have a house far away from the city.

Hikari's house is one such place. That's why they actually showed the house earlier, as a setup.
That's why Hikari has PenPen.

And there is no point having classmates when there is no school...

[SS4goku]

sweet, oh yes by the way I've been meaning to ask you'll this question. Is Toji poor or something, because I remember him sayin something about nobody cooks at his house or something like that to Hikari.

[Duke]

Is Toji poor or something, because I remember him sayin something about nobody cooks at his house or something like that to Hikari.
Toji doesn't know how to cook, his sister's at the hospital, and his parents aren't around (I forget if it's because of work or they're dead).

He's probably not as rich as, say, Gendo, but I think his house is likely a bit better looking than, say, Rei's.

[SS4goku]

Yea i know Rei house is horrible, but hey at least she has a house. Oh yes that reminds me is rei even human, because how and the heack did she surive that blast, and those dummies of Rei:eek: pretty scary.

[Strollymonster]

Yea i know Rei house is horrible, but hey at least she has a house. Oh yes that reminds me is rei even human, because how and the heack did she surive that blast, and those dummies of Rei:eek: pretty scary.

Not sure whether this counts as a spoiler after the last episode, but better safe than sorry.

Rei died in the self-destruction of Unit-00. The original Rei died at a young age (6/7-ish) after being strangled by Dr. Naoko Akagi (Ritsuko's mom). However, because Rei is vital for Instrumentality, Gendo planned ahead by preparing dozens of cloned and souless "host bodies" for Rei, using the same software that puts souls in Evas to put Rei's soul (which is "saved" in the Magi's computer and updated in every sync test) back into the bodies if anything happens to her (like death). This is the same system used to create the dummy plugs; the hollow shells are outfitted with a copy of Rei's soul and inserted into life-sustaining entry plugs. It's probably a rather hellish existence, existing soley in the dummy-plug and never getting to leave it alive.

However, the "artificial soul" doesn't remember anything past the last time the Magi updated it with memories.

That's why Rei didn't remember the Angel fight or self-destructing. She understands how she continues existing, and it terrifies her. That's part of the reason she's so ethereal in personality...she has to cope with the notion of her soul and body being false copies of the real thing.

It's really a rather depressing and unfair situation for Rei...she's quite a tragic figure.

[Sandoz]

That's part of the reason she's so ethereal in personality...she has to cope with the notion of her soul and body being false copies of the real thing.
(spoilers for the movie)
Rei is a "copy" of a human being, but her soul is real. Her soul was harvested from Lilith, which is why she's the integral "missing piece" in Gendo's plan, and why he's so determined to control her and keep her out of SEELE's grasp. Her soul does keep some residual memory, hence why she cries when breaking the glasses or when she remembers her "I'm not a doll" conversation with Asuka. That much, at least, separates her from the "husks" down in the Reiquarium.

[Strollymonster]

(spoilers for the movie)
Rei is a "copy" of a human being, but her soul is real. Her soul was harvested from Lilith, which is why she's the integral "missing piece" in Gendo's plan, and why he's so determined to control her and keep her out of SEELE's grasp. Her soul does keep some residual memory, hence why she cries when breaking the glasses or when she remembers her "I'm not a doll" conversation with Asuka. That much, at least, separates her from the "husks" down in the Reiquarium.

I know, I meant to say that Rei had to deal with not knowing whether she was false or real.I imagine that that uncertainty was the foundation of her emotional issues.

[RAINMAN]

Toji doesn't know how to cook, his sister's at the hospital, and his parents aren't around (I forget if it's because of work or they're dead).

He's probably not as rich as, say, Gendo, but I think his house is likely a bit better looking than, say, Rei's.


His dad and granddad work at nerve and his mom is dead. Come to think of it everyone moms is dead in this anime. WHAT`S UP WHIT THAT?:eek:

[RAINMAN]

Good times with comatose ladies :sweat:

I wouldn't underestimate any of the characters in this series when it comes to psychological problems, except maybe for Maya Ibuki...she's arguably the most normal and least-screwed-up of all, except for Pen-Pen :D

All this talk of pairings makes me wonder how you all will react to the next episode and Shinji's "yaoi-ish" new friend, the 17th Angel...


Toji seem normal.

[OverMaster]

Toji seem normal.

Toji takes off his pants in front of a girl he has just met.

[KojiroTakenashi]

Yeah, but she smacks him for accidentally seeing her knickers...because she's enough of a moron to wear a light sundress when getting off from a HELICOPTOR!

[Zam]

His dad and granddad work at nerve and his mom is dead. Come to think of it everyone moms is dead in this anime. WHAT`S UP WHIT THAT?:eek:

All Shinji´s classmates are Eva pilot candidates and all of them don't have mothers. For some reason that´s a requirement to become an Eva pilot.

[Sandoz]

Yeah, but she smacks him for accidentally seeing her knickers...because she's enough of a moron to wear a light sundress when getting off from a HELICOPTOR!
Except that she wasn't getting off a helicopter.