Some REV info.

[RAINMAN]

Nintendo Revolution is going to debut at a price of under US$300. The limited number of Xbox 360 consoles can be seen to be bundled and selling for anything above $700. Analysts are betting the PlayStation 3 (PS3) to cost around $500.

Nintendo aims to target:

1. Young children
2. Middle-aged adults
3. Female gamers

Nintendo is confident that the Revolution will be much cheaper to develop and will not burn a hole in consumers’ pockets.

Reggie Fils-Aime, Vice President of sales and marketing (Nintendo) seems confidnet in beating the Xbox 360.

We will sell more units than Xbox 360 did here in the United States in our launch window. I mean, in December, we sold more GameCubes in the United States than Microsoft sold 360s, and Revolution will do better than that.

An interesting war among the three next-genearation consoles will definitely commence this year.


Final Fantasy Crystalises On Revolution
Youichi Wada, the president of Square Enix, has spread positive news about the company's first Revolution project - a sequel to the lackluster Gamecube title Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles. The original was bogged down by the required use of GBAs and link cables to play, while this title will feature "intense use of the revolutionary control of the platform", and will most likely be a launch title for the system.


Tecmo's first Rev title.
Is a port of a korean golf game, PangYa Golf. It includes a "hard gay" mode! A mod that includes leather wear for your game characters. Odd isn't it?

http://news.spong.com/asset/191989/11/9665 (http://news.spong.com/asset/191989/11/9665)

Interesting choice for Tecmo's first title.


REV: New game this year from Midway
Quote:
Midway joins Revolution
CEO David Zucker reveals company is developing for Nintendo's upcoming console; game slated for release this year, details scarce.

LOS ANGELES--One of the phrases every Nintendo fan is anxious to hear is "We will have a Revolution title this year." Those exact words were spoken by the CEO of Midway Games, David Zucker, in a one-on-one conversation with GameSpot yesterday.

The console, which has been shrouded in secrecy since it was unveiled at May's E3 expo, hasn't had much in the way of announced games announced for it yet. For the Nintendo faithful, even the smallest tidbits of information on Revolution games are as valuable as gold.

While Zucker didn't give away the game's title, it might not be what gamers expect. Midway currently has four next-gen games announced: Unreal Tournament 2007, a TNA-licensed game, The Wheelman, and Stranglehold. Both the TNA game and The Wheelman aren't expected to hit stores until 2007, and Unreal Tournament 2007 has been confirmed for this year--only for the PC.

This leaves Stranglehold as the likely option for Midway's first Revolution game. Further evidence comes from the game's trailer shown during Midway's presentation last night. Previously expected to be released on the Xbox 360, PlayStation 3, and PC, a bombshell was dropped at the trailer's end, when footage stated that the game would be coming to "ALL next-gen consoles." [Emphasis added.]

However, today, Midway reps told GameSpot that the aforementioned project was not Stranglehold, but "another project." The rep admitted that Stranglehold may come to the Revolution at a later date (after the PS3 and Xbox 360 versions), but no plans are set yet.

Expect more details about Midway's unnamed Revolution project at this year's E3.
By Tim Surette -- GameSpot

Man that was whole a lot of info.:sweat:

[Chad Bonin]

Man that was whole a lot of info.:sweat:
With most of it well-known on this forum. Hell, analysts have been picturing a $150-$200 price point for the Revolution for months now.

[tb4000]

1. Young children
2. Middle aged adults
3. Female gamers

While I'm not in any of those categories, I'll still be getting one. And those last two categories are neccessary to win the console war, as young males are but a small percentage. They just decide what's cool, unfortunately.

[Artimus Gigan]

I'm buying for the supposed en mass porting of Arcade Exclusive Rail Shooters like House of The Dead 4

and if those work well, then Nintendo will probably make a new Starfox

Now only if they can make a new lightgun....I mean two of their target audiance are middle-aged people and small children, both of those demographics just love guns...

I'm a bit skeptical of the female demographic, I mean any of the recent female demographic games have been really meh

I mean they shouldn't need to lower the difficulty level and such, alot of the RPGs are unisex in appeal and have sufficant difficulty

[Mynd Hed]

Now only if they can make a new lightgun....I mean two of their target audiance are middle-aged people and small children, both of those demographics just love guns...

Well, if rumors are to be believed, the Freehand will support lightgun-like functionality pretty much out of the box.

...Not that some sort of peripheral that's actually gun-shaped and had a little aiming sight a la the good old clunky orange NES lightgun wouldn't be nice, mind you. Even if it's just a plastic shell that you could slip the Freehand into.

[FinalDragoon]

So long as the Revolution is priced lower than the 360 and PS3, they will sell a lot. At least in my opinion....

semi-OT: Am I the only one who read the title as "Some Resident Evil 5 info." :sweat:

[atf487]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_revolution

There is all the info you need.

[Artimus Gigan]

Well, if rumors are to be believed, the Freehand will support lightgun-like functionality pretty much out of the box.

...Not that some sort of peripheral that's actually gun-shaped and had a little aiming sight a la the good old clunky orange NES lightgun wouldn't be nice, mind you. Even if it's just a plastic shell that you could slip the Freehand into.
Yeah but, guns are cooler than remote controls

however it is to be noted that there is a good chance that the revolution controller can be manipulated with a magnifying glass ala NES Lightgun

So that would be an interesting variable to test, I mean the Nintendo DS Microphone can be easily manipulated with a Hairdryer causing instantanious inflation with the Balloons in MArio KArt. So interferance from outside sources could end up being difficulty breakers.

However reading Reggie's sale comments, the 360 did not have enough systems made to quell the demand, by the time the revolution launches Microsoft will have things up to full speed. It's like saying you beat a cripple in a foot race

[Tash]

Is a port of a korean golf game, PangYa Golf. It includes a "hard gay" mode! A mod that includes leather wear for your game characters. Odd isn't it?
Foooo!

I'm a bit skeptical of the female demographic, I mean any of the recent female demographic games have been really meh
Well, Nintendogs worked, so Nintendo will continue to break through to this untapped source of profit.

[Harlan_Phoenix]

Why would a golf game have a mode based on a crazy leather clad Japanese homosexual?

Otherwise...all this information's been known. I just hope it's enough for make the Rev successful.

[Artimus Gigan]

Well, Nintendogs worked, so Nintendo will continue to break through to this untapped source of profit.
Nintendogs came off as being very Tech demo-y

As far as raising sims went it needed more content, I mean look at the Upcoming Monster Rancher Evo, they added full 3D worlds to the thing that the player and monsters can explore around.

[Chad Bonin]

Nintendogs came off as being very Tech demo-y

As far as raising sims went it needed more content, I mean look at the Upcoming Monster Rancher Evo, they added full 3D worlds to the thing that the player and monsters can explore around.
Doesn't mean it didn't sell awesome.

[Artimus Gigan]

Doesn't mean it didn't sell awesome.
But little girls can only bring you so far

They are definetly going to need all the genres on their system on a consistant baisis if they want to do better than the GC, Nintendo tends to ignore quite a few main genres. I mean the DS certainly doesn't have a huge lead over the PSP, it's pretty much neck and neck and the PSP's release scheduel has all the genres in it, in time it could outsell(and if there's a price drop then it will certainly speed ahead). I mean the greatest weakness to the GC was that it lacked alot of the genres in sufficant quanitities. I think Nintendo should focus on turning out a large variety of games for the system on a cosistant baisis, that really would have helped this generation. They could end up boxing themselves in with the 3 Demographic plan.

Games for females tend to be more or less "meh" when compared to other games, I mean there is a decrease in gameplay quality. I mean Metroid Prime:Hunters, Tomb Raider:Legend, and Final Fantasy X-2, all have females for the lead(s), but arn't considered games for girls but more or less general audiances and keep the expected ammount of difficulty and gameplay to that of a normal videogame of the genre. By sexing games they could end up loosing appeal.

Games for small kids fall into the same catagory in gameplay as games for females

Middle Aged Adults, that seems to be encompassing both sexes, then again the other two companies already had that be a part of their stratagy, so I guess this means more sports games or FPS than on previous Nintendo consoles(I'm not sure about RPGS, if they are just talking generally, because MMORPGS seem to be way more popular with that demographic than traditional and Console MMORPGS seem to be luke-warm). But being that the others demographics make-up 2/3 of the target demographic, I just hope this doesn't mean censorship. By middle aged adults they could also mean parents.

Then again I fit none of the Demographics they want to focus on, I'm hoping for an all out fully loaded 5 way(two handhelds, three consoles) with more good games coming out per month than I can count.

[peacebyanymeans]

But little girls can only bring you so far

They are definetly going to need all the genres on their system on a consistant baisis if they want to do better than the GC, Nintendo tends to ignore quite a few main genres. I mean the DS certainly doesn't have a huge lead over the PSP, it's pretty much neck and neck and the PSP's release scheduel has all the genres in it, in time it could outsell(and if there's a price drop then it will certainly speed ahead). I mean the greatest weakness to the GC was that it lacked alot of the genres in sufficant quanitities. I think Nintendo should focus on turning out a large variety of games for the system on a cosistant baisis, that seemed to be the big hurt this generation. They could end up boxing themselves in with the 3 Demographic plan.
:mad: I bought the game... and I don't play it anymore...

It's not that it's not good! It's just the MK:DS, and MP:H isn't going to help...

[Artimus Gigan]

:mad: I bought the game... and I don't play it anymore...

It's not that it's not good! It's just the MK:DS, and MP:H isn't going to help...
eh? Elaborate

Are you infering that games like MP:H and MK are more appealing than Nintendogs?

[RAINMAN]

But little girls can only bring you so far

They are definetly going to need all the genres on their system on a consistant baisis if they want to do better than the GC, Nintendo tends to ignore quite a few main genres. I mean the DS certainly doesn't have a huge lead over the PSP, it's pretty much neck and neck and the PSP's release scheduel has all the genres in it, in time it could outsell(and if there's a price drop then it will certainly speed ahead). I mean the greatest weakness to the GC was that it lacked alot of the genres in sufficant quanitities. I think Nintendo should focus on turning out a large variety of games for the system on a cosistant baisis, that really would have helped this generation. They could end up boxing themselves in with the 3 Demographic plan.

Games for females tend to be more or less "meh" when compared to other games, I mean there is a decrease in gameplay quality. I mean Metroid Prime:Hunters, Tomb Raider:Legend, and Final Fantasy X-2, all have females for the lead(s), but arn't considered games for girls but more or less general audiances and keep the expected ammount of difficulty and gameplay to that of a normal videogame of the genre. By sexing games they could end up loosing appeal.

Games for small kids fall into the same catagory in gameplay as games for females

Middle Aged Adults, that seems to be encompassing both sexes, then again the other two companies already had that be a part of their stratagy, so I guess this means more sports games or FPS than on previous Nintendo consoles(I'm not sure about RPGS, if they are just talking generally, because MMORPGS seem to be way more popular with that demographic than traditional and Console MMORPGS seem to be luke-warm). But being that the others demographics make-up 2/3 of the target demographic, I just hope this doesn't mean censorship. By middle aged adults they could also mean parents.

Then again I fit none of the Demographics they want to focus on, I'm hoping for an all out fully loaded 5 way(two handhelds, three consoles) with more good games coming out per month than I can count.


The lack of genes is the lack of 3rd party not making the right games for the system. You don`t see billy hacter on the ps2/Xbox so why sega make it on the GC?:sad:

[peacebyanymeans]

eh? Elaborate

Are you infering that games like MP:H and MK are more appealing than Nintendogs?

It's just... more fun. Okay, I said it. But my point still remains is that I am not a girl. And I liked Nintendogs... My puppy's name is Takun. :3

[Artimus Gigan]

The lack of genes is the lack of 3rd party not making the right games for the system. You don`t see billy hacter on the ps2/Xbox so why sega make it on the GC?:sad:
Billy Hatcher was pretty far in terms of quality from games like Jak 1,2,3 and Ratchet 1,2,3

Then again it was made for younger audiances IIRC

[Kuja's Light]

Holy crap, Monster Rancher is still popular enough in Japan for a new game to be in development?

[Artimus Gigan]

Holy crap, Monster Rancher is still popular enough in Japan for a new game to be in development?
Erm, it's coming stateside, infact it's set to be released within a month or so

The series has a following of relative size in the states, and with the revamp it should garner more support.

And it's a Dragon Quest 8 grade revamp

[Punisher]

Billy Hatcher was pretty far in terms of quality from games like Jak 1,2,3 and Ratchet 1,2,3

Then again it was made for younger audiances IIRC
I thought Billy Hatcher was awesome...

[Dr Crocodile]

But little girls can only bring you so far

They are definetly going to need all the genres on their system on a consistant baisis if they want to do better than the GC, Nintendo tends to ignore quite a few main genres. I mean the DS certainly doesn't have a huge lead over the PSP, it's pretty much neck and neck and the PSP's release scheduel has all the genres in it, in time it could outsell(and if there's a price drop then it will certainly speed ahead). I mean the greatest weakness to the GC was that it lacked alot of the genres in sufficant quanitities. I think Nintendo should focus on turning out a large variety of games for the system on a cosistant baisis, that really would have helped this generation. They could end up boxing themselves in with the 3 Demographic plan.

Games for females tend to be more or less "meh" when compared to other games, I mean there is a decrease in gameplay quality. I mean Metroid Prime:Hunters, Tomb Raider:Legend, and Final Fantasy X-2, all have females for the lead(s), but arn't considered games for girls but more or less general audiances and keep the expected ammount of difficulty and gameplay to that of a normal videogame of the genre. By sexing games they could end up loosing appeal.

Games for small kids fall into the same catagory in gameplay as games for females



I don't possibly see how you can say that. Nintendo IS focusing on trying to provide a large variety of games on the a relatively consisten basis since the inception of the DS. They continue to make all the games their fanbase already likes (Mario, Zelda, Metroid, etc.) and are also trying to appeal to female and older gamers with Nintendogs and Brain Training. These games have been HUGE successes for the company and prove this is a viable and successful strategy. I mean most other companies just tend to flat out ignore all gamers that aren't 15-35 and male. That's why many games aimed towards females, kids and the such suck. Because few people with talent actually care and then you're left with shovelware and liscenced crap. When developers care and try you get stuff like The Sims and Pokemon, games with massive appeal and rock solid gameplay.



Middle Aged Adults, that seems to be encompassing both sexes, then again the other two companies already had that be a part of their stratagy, so I guess this means more sports games or FPS than on previous Nintendo consoles(I'm not sure about RPGS, if they are just talking generally, because MMORPGS seem to be way more popular with that demographic than traditional and Console MMORPGS seem to be luke-warm). But being that the others demographics make-up 2/3 of the target demographic, I just hope this doesn't mean censorship. By middle aged adults they could also mean parents.


Aren't middle-aged adults 40-50 years old? Seem like you're thinking of young adults since all that stuff would likely appeal to them more than 40-50 year olds. Plus WTF do you mean by censorship? Either you're using the wrong word or you've just plain made a bad/silly point.

[Artimus Gigan]

I don't possibly see how you can say that. Nintendo IS focusing on trying to provide a large variety of games on the a relatively consisten basis since the inception of the DS. They continue to make all the games their fanbase already likes (Mario, Zelda, Metroid, etc.) and are also trying to appeal to female and older gamers with Nintendogs and Brain Training. These games have been HUGE successes for the company and prove this is a viable and successful strategy. I mean most other companies just tend to flat out ignore all gamers that aren't 15-35 and male. That's why many games aimed towards females, kids and the such suck. Because few people with talent actually care and then you're left with shovelware and liscenced crap. When developers care and try you get stuff like The Sims and Pokemon, games with massive appeal and rock solid gameplay.




Aren't middle-aged adults 40-50 years old? Seem like you're thinking of young adults since all that stuff would likely appeal to them more than 40-50 year olds. Plus WTF do you mean by censorship? Either you're using the wrong word or you've just plain made a bad/silly point.
Spoony Bard was the replacement of Bastard in the SNES version of FF6, that's an example of what I mean. I'm saying they may try to get their ESRB rating for games as low as possible since younger audainces are a big part of the target demographic. I mean Even the recent Resident Evil DS uses green blood as an option, and that was never in any other RE incarnation. That's kinda what I mean when i refer to censorship. I mean supposedly the system will be great for FPS and Arcade Shooters, so I don't want the butchery butchered, I want perfect translations of the games on their with all content intact.

Also middle aged I think gues back to the 30's IIRC.

While Nintendo may provide alot of support for their handhelds, it's their consoles that get shafted more often. I mean take a look at the GC release scheduel, it was bone dry alot of times. Many genres on the gamecube are not represented to a large extent, Hell Fire Emblem and Tales of Symphonia were pretty mucht he only good exclusive RPGs on the system(and RPGS are a very big genre). And there is competiton in the handheld markets now and many genres that were pretty much ignored(i.e. Racing, Fighters) through various generations of Nintendo Handhelds, are being brought full on by the competition. So they need to bring more of what's already there, I mean there are other companies that can create games of the same genre and calibur as Nintendo.

Also I wouldn't equate guns,gore, violence, killing, to just specifically male demogrpahics. I mean I think that's unisex in appeal, I mean halo didn't sell well to just males, it had a large female following, and Devil May Cry also is a series with a large female following. And many of the RPGs like Final Fantasy are unisex, females arn't incapable of playing these games. So it does seem a bit sexist with the female oriented games being on the easy side. Same with Zelda and Metroid, those arn't male oriented games either they're unisex, and I havn't seen any peticular female oriented game that stood with the ranks of the latter. I mean we all talk about gameplay being a major part of the game's core, but if appealing to the demographic effects the overall gameplay then there's something to question about it. (Also IIRC Nintenogs just apparently appealed to females, it wasn't tailored)

Also Brain Training's success in America has yet to be determined, the Japanese Market is not the same as the US Market.

[RAINMAN]

People don`t relize, Big N don`t just make games. They make home/portabile systems too. By later this year they will have 4 system to support. It hard to make varity games for 4 systems,thats where 3rd parties comes in and make things easer. But as we know 3rd parties ben acting shadly toward N whit /whitout good reasons. That leave Big N to support their own systems on their own.


As for censorship, N only did it to keep the soccer moms off their back. But when MK bomb they stop censoring. And if you don`t believe me play RE games. Then again anit KH2 being censor. And that a PS2 game. So what up whit that? Does it really matther if a character is cursing or not? If there blood on the screen? I`m not into gore while I also find char cursing for no reason to be plain juvnile.

[Artimus Gigan]

People don`t relize, Big N don`t just make games. They make home/portabile systems too. By later this year they will have 4 system to support. It hard to make varity games for 4 systems,thats where 3rd parties comes in and make things easer. But as we know 3rd parties ben acting shadly toward N whit /whitout good reasons. That leave Big N to support their own systems on their own.


As for censorship, N only did it to keep the soccer moms off their back. But when MK bomb they stop censoring. And if you don`t believe me play RE games. Then again anit KH2 being censor. And that a PS2 game. So what up whit that? Does it really matther if a character is cursing or not? If there blood on the screen? I`m not into gore while I also find char cursing for no reason to be plain juvnile.
Kingdom hearts was either Squre's or Disney's decision, not Sony's(and it's rather rare/WTF consdering Final Fantasy XII supposedly has scenes of hell murder and Dirge of Cerebrus has weapons and half naked cyborgs, but both changes are abit minor in 1 or 2 scenes and not throughout the game thankfully, and all the other CG/FMV scenes are retained in all their glory).

Allthough the blood greening in RE seems rather silly(and redundant, it's a 10yr old game), the decapitation scenes in RE4 are simply the most detailed and awsome gore scenes ever. It was toobad that the chainsaw wasn't a viable weapon, or I would have gone around decapitating villagers the entire time.


Also Nintendo may just axe the GBA, it's unlikely that they will be supporting the GBA,DS,GBA2, and Revolution, far too spread out, which leaves no system in a strong point. Infact when the GBA2 comes out the DS may just fall behind and lag development wise, I mean the GBA certainly isn't packing a whole lot of punches now that the DS is up to speed. If anything they need another Developer like Rare or something along those lines for Handheld and Console, assorted Mario Sports titles and Mario Parties will only get you so far. I mean a new non-mario/completely new franchise would be nice for a console(and I don't mean something like animal corssing, I mean something like Shadow of The Colossus, Final Fantasy, Metal Gear, Halo, and the like, a nice long game with scenes of assbeatery and Boss Battles as far as the eye cans see, and kept to a limited ammount of collecting).

[tb4000]

I think the consenus is, guys like dumb stupid games where you don't have to really "think" to an extent, and girls enjoy games that focus more on brain power and problem solving. Many of the action/adventure games we play require brain power as well, but most people can't see beyond the guns and blood.

[Dr Crocodile]

Spoony Bard was the replacement of Bastard in the SNES version of FF6, that's an example of what I mean. I'm saying they may try to get their ESRB rating for games as low as possible since younger audainces are a big part of the target demographic. I mean Even the recent Resident Evil DS uses green blood as an option, and that was never in any other RE incarnation. That's kinda what I mean when i refer to censorship. I mean supposedly the system will be great for FPS and Arcade Shooters, so I don't want the butchery butchered, I want perfect translations of the games on their with all content intact.


I'm pretty sure Spoony Bard is from Final Fantasy IV. Also, that was MORE THAN A DECADE AGO. Also, last time I checked, Nintendo didn't make Resident Evil DS nor is that the first time a game has let you change the color of the blood. Take Nanobreaker for the PS2 by the same guys who made Castlevania. There was tons of blood in that game and it could be red, green or rainbow colored. This has been a little bonus/feature/whatever in many a bloody game. I'm sorry but this whole censorship worry is plain dumb. I don't know what caused you to think this was an actual concern.


Also middle aged I think gues back to the 30's IIRC.


A bit young I'd say considering the average lifespan of an American male is about 75 years.


While Nintendo may provide alot of support for their handhelds, it's their consoles that get shafted more often. I mean take a look at the GC release schedule, it was bone dry alot of times. Many genres on the gamecube are not represented to a large extent, Hell Fire Emblem and Tales of Symphonia were pretty much the only good exclusive RPGs on the system (and RPGS are a very big genre).


You forgot Paper Mario: Thousand Year Door. But yeah Nintendo has 3rd party problems. I don't really know what they can do about that. But I think it's clear that Nintendo is changing and making an effort. Hopefully it pays off for them.


And there is competiton in the handheld markets now and many genres that were pretty much ignored(i.e. Racing, Fighters) through various generations of Nintendo Handhelds, are being brought full on by the competition.


The GBA had it's fair share of fighters and plenty of racing games. Didn't the Neo Geo Pocket Color have a fair deal of fighters too? Neither genre seems super under-represented on handhelds of old or exploding on handhelds of new.



Also I wouldn't equate guns,gore, violence, killing, to just specifically male demogrpahics.


I would. Don't see why you would't. Not saying girls can't dig that stuff too. Not saying that at all. Also it depends on the context. Something like LOTR will go over much better with females/non-young adult male gamers than God of War. But the games that have these things swing heavily towards males and the sales numbers and comments from retail, deveolpers, etc. support this.


I mean I think that's unisex in appeal, I mean halo didn't sell well to just males, it had a large female following, and Devil May Cry also is a series with a large female following. And many of the RPGs like Final Fantasy are unisex, females arn't incapable of playing these games. So it does seem a bit sexist with the female oriented games being on the easy side. Same with Zelda and Metroid, those arn't male oriented games either they're unisex, and I havn't seen any peticular female oriented game that stood with the ranks of the latter.


Not sure why you are hung up on females since I was talking about all non-regular games. First off it's not just about females but just anybody who doesn't often play games. Second, the problem is and has always been that whatever female audience a game has, for most games, it is usually MICROSCOPIC compared to the male audience. I can understand Final Fantasy and Zelda have big (relatively speaking) female fanbases. But Halo? Metroid? Devil May Cry? HALO? Not sure where you heard that from. I mean I can almost see Metroid and Devil May Cry since their main characters may appeal to females. Maybe. But Master Chief? He's as generic a space soldier as you can get. Anyway, the point is that Nintedo, and all developers in general, want to expand beyond the young adult male market.


I mean we all talk about gameplay being a major part of the game's core, but if appealing to the demographic effects the overall gameplay then there's something to question about it.


Not really. Some games are meant to appeal to casuals or hardcore games in all genres or with speicifc players in mind. Final Fantasy X and Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne are made to appeal to different audiences and their gameplay shows it. FF is very accessible while SMT is quite challenging + hardcore. Virtua Fighter 4 isn't made to appeal to the same audience as Super Smash Bros Melee, their gameplay reflects this even though they are in the same genre. Who a game is desinged for has always and will always affect the gameplay. Whether the game is good or not depends on the devloper and the effort they put into it.


(Also IIRC Nintendogs just apparently appealed to females, it wasn't tailored)


Nintendogs was made to specifcally appeal to non-hardcore games. Youth, casuals, females, older people, etc. It did exactly what it set out to do.

Also Brain Training's success in America has yet to be determined, the Japanese Market is not the same as the US Market.


Well duh. Can't discuss how well something has done in a particular region if it hasn't been released there. Doesn't change the fact that BT is CRAZY SUCCESSFUL in Japan and tons of older people are snatching it up.

[Punisher]

While Nintendo may provide alot of support for their handhelds, it's their consoles that get shafted more often. I mean take a look at the GC release scheduel, it was bone dry alot of times. Many genres on the gamecube are not represented to a large extent, Hell Fire Emblem and Tales of Symphonia were pretty mucht he only good exclusive RPGs on the system(and RPGS are a very big genre).
There were lots of good rpgs for Gamecube. Take for instance both Lost Kingdoms, Animal Crossing(which is listed as rpg), Harvest Moon: A Wonderful Life, and Pokemon: XD. Have even played any of these?

[Artimus Gigan]

There were lots of good rpgs for Gamecube. Take for instance both Lost Kingdoms, Animal Crossing(which is listed as rpg), Harvest Moon: A Wonderful Life, and Pokemon: XD. Have even played any of these? Lost Kingdoms sucked as did Baiton Kaitos

Harvest Moon and Animal Corssing are not traditional RPGs(and are sims)

Pokemon XD is meh, if anything they should have made a 3d Version of the GBA games, all of the Stadium Games and console spin-offs have been far from 5 star quality

[Punisher]

Lost Kingdoms sucked as did Baiton Kaitos

Harvest Moon and Animal Corssing are not traditional RPGs(and are sims)

Pokemon XD is meh, if anything they should have made a 3d Version of the GBA games, all of the Stadium Games and console spin-offs have been far from 5 star qualityWhat didn't you like about Lost Kingdoms? Because I've played "good" rpgs like Final Fantasy 10 and both Lost Kingdom games were funner to play. Is is just that you don't like card rpgs?

Animal Crosing is an rpg, or at least by Nintendo Power's standards, as it won best rpg a few years ago, 2002 I think. As for Pokemon XD, I thought it was enjoyable, as it MADE you steal other trainer's pokemon, which was cool because that is not allowed in other pokemon games.

[Artimus Gigan]

What didn't you like about Lost Kingdoms? Because I've played "good" rpgs like Final Fantasy 10 and both Lost Kingdom games were funner to play. Is is just that you don't like card rpgs?

Animal Crosing is an rpg, or at least by Nintendo Power's standards, as it won best rpg a few years ago, 2002 I think. As for Pokemon XD, I thought it was enjoyable, as it MADE you steal other trainer's pokemon, which was cool because that is not allowed in other pokemon games.
Lost Kingdoms does not even begin to be on the same calibur as FFX or even FFX2, LK's battle system was definetly not refined to the extent as Final Fantasy X, or even the previous incarnations. You could not control the cards in your deck and they were drawn from random, thus having battles rely on luck instead of planning and system managment, and the story from start to finish was incredibly bland.

It's more or less along the lines of Magne Carte than any recent Final Fantasy.

[Punisher]

Lost Kingdoms does not even begin to be on the same calibur as FFX or even FFX2, LK's battle system was definetly not refined to the extent as Final Fantasy X, or even the previous incarnations. You could not control the cards in your deck and they were drawn from random, thus having battles rely on luck instead of planning and system managment, and the story from start to finish was incredibly bland.

It's more or less along the lines of Magne Carte than any recent Final Fantasy.And all of that, and I mean ALL of that was fixed in the sequel. Not able to control cards? The sequel introduced transform cards. Cards drawn from random? Not a problem anymore, as discarding one will just send it to the bottom of the deck. Story incredibly bland? Much improved, as what you thought were main characters get killed off, and your best friend will die too. I can understand why you don't like the first Lost Kingdoms, so I urge you to at least rent Lost Kingdoms 2, which has none of the problems that you listed. It is one of the best sequels I've ever played.

And as for Final Fantasy 10, I didn't think the story was that interesting and reading for half an hour just to find out how to play blitzball isn't really that fun.

[Artimus Gigan]

And all of that, and I mean ALL of that was fixed in the sequel. Not able to control cards? The sequel introduced transform cards. Cards drawn from random? Not a problem anymore, as discarding one will just send it to the bottom of the deck. Story incredibly bland? Much improved, as what you thought were main characters get killed off, and your best friend will die too. I can understand why you don't like the first Lost Kingdoms, so I urge you to at least rent Lost Kingdoms 2, which has none of the problems that you listed. It is one of the best sequels I've ever played.

And as for Final Fantasy 10, I didn't think the story was that interesting and reading for half an hour just to find out how to play blitzball isn't really that fun.
I did beat them both(they are incredibly short)

the two best exclusive RPGS are Tales of Symphonia and Fire Emblem, and both LK games do not even match up to them, the cube needed more on scales of Tales and FE. LK is still a medicore RPG series like Evolution and such.