4kids Question on CN?

[bklien]

Static Shock was a "hey, here's a new acquisition; let's run it into the ground!" situation much like Krypto and several others, while Code Lyoko started out modestly and eventually built up the fanbase that it has now. That combined with the fact that Code Lyoko's run of premieres just ended suggests that the multiple showings were just temporary to capitalize on the popularity of the premieres, and now they'll scale back to a more typical one slot per day for a good while. So, I wouldn't worry.
Would that mean that "WINX CLUB", another show i watched on miguzi, was pulled because of ratings. Also, is there any shot of Mew Mew Power, Magical DoRemi, or Sonic X showing up on Miguzi or CN AT ALL.

[William C. Maune]

Would that mean that "WINX CLUB", another show i watched on miguzi, was pulled because of ratings. Also, is there any shot of Mew Mew Power, Magical DoRemi, or Sonic X showing up on Miguzi or CN AT ALL.

If a show is pulled then it is usually due to ratings. Thus, Winx Club was probably pulled due to ratings. In regards to the other shows:

Sonic X: I figure that if it was going to air on Cartoon Network then it would have started airing by now.

Mew Mew Power: It doesn't seem to have done that well for 4Kids and it isn't a series in which all that big a number of people were interested in the first place. Thus, I doubt it will come to Cartoon Network.

Magical DoReMi: It's probably too soon to say. I wonder if this could work well for Cartoon Network's preschool block.

[Rahxepy]

Would that mean that "WINX CLUB", another show i watched on miguzi, was pulled because of ratings. Also, is there any shot of Mew Mew Power, Magical DoRemi, or Sonic X showing up on Miguzi or CN AT ALL.I posted this in the other thread to your same post bKlien. The thing with Winx Club is that it only had 26 episodes and that couldn't push it for too long. the series did really well running on muguzi and in the mornings on cartoon network. It ran on weekends if I'm not mistaken too, and kept on reairing the same old eps untill they became stail. I believe we'll see thw Winx enter muguzi or even the general block later this year with season 2 at hand. Now Magical Doremi I see heading more towards the morning block of tickle you around the beginning of summer. Sonic not so sure, theres nothing realy to gain from it after it's series finally later this month on 4KIDS TV.

[Sketch]

Well reruns of Sonic X could pull in some good numbers but CN probably figures... why bother? When they have better boys action shows that could be stripped on weekdays instead. It is a shame Shaman King didn't get a permanent slot on CN though.

[Draft]

i heard mew mew power hit record lows when it was reruns, so i doubt it will come to cn

winx will probally come back soon enough, sonic x should have been picked up by now, but i think it will come, and md should air durring TU

[Obi]

If Sonic X hasn't been on Miguzi by now, it's most likely never going to be.

[LordTerminal]

i heard mew mew power hit record lows when it was reruns, so i doubt it will come to cn


Sad really. I know a few people were wanting the final season or seasons (hell if I remember) of Sailor Moon to air on CN and MMP's pretty much the closest thing to filling that void. (Or not. Damned if I know. I've had baaaaad experiences as a SM fan and I'm never going back that route again so MMP is the only alternative to reliving those days without actually watching SM itself.)

[Daikun]

Why is this in the Toonami board? All I'm seeing here is discussion on 4KidsTV shows on Miguzi.

[William C. Maune]

Why is this in the Toonami board? All I'm seeing here is discussion on 4KidsTV shows on Miguzi.

One Piece at least came to Toonami.

However, if you have a problem with a post or thread, then report the post (as you've been told multiple times), don't post your problem in the thread. Doing so only bumps the thread up again.

[Master Moron]

Sad really. I know a few people were wanting the final season or seasons (hell if I remember) of Sailor Moon to air on CN and MMP's pretty much the closest thing to filling that void. (Or not. Damned if I know. I've had baaaaad experiences as a SM fan and I'm never going back that route again so MMP is the only alternative to reliving those days without actually watching SM itself.)

Bad experiences? You make it sound like the Dark Kingdom gang raped you.

Anyway, you know, the thing about Sailor Moon is the dub started out really bad, then gradually improved till eventually the dub was actually half decent. Not good, mind you. The dub was still pretty half assed in a lot of ways, but it could still be enjoyable at least. Now, Mew Mew Power, I've never seen, yet with all 4K!ds series, I hear the dub is horrible, and considering it's 4K!ds there's probably no chance of improvement. Why is it that magical girl shows always get hacked up when they're dubbed?

[LordTerminal]

Bad experiences? You make it sound like the Dark Kingdom gang raped you.

Anyway, you know, the thing about Sailor Moon is the dub started out really bad, then gradually improved till eventually the dub was actually half decent. Not good, mind you. The dub was still pretty half assed in a lot of ways, but it could still be enjoyable at least. Now, Mew Mew Power, I've never seen, yet with all 4K!ds series, I hear the dub is horrible, and considering it's 4K!ds there's probably no chance of improvement. Why is it that magical girl shows always get hacked up when they're dubbed?

More like a certain neighbor of mine chastising me about it. Of course, back then, the only reason I'd bother with SM was because I still with the "women in skimpy outifts" crowd at the time. Thank god those days are over.

As for Mew Mew, well let's see:

-Episode 12 is dubbed to serve as a "pilot" episode with a teaser plothole type ending. In the 4Kids version, it has no continuity.

-Annoying catchphrase.

-groan worthy "mew" puns. (That's a given. It's 4KIDS!)

-Kish/Dren still, as of this day, holds the record for 4Kids character with the worst dialog written. (And throw in the fact that he has Len Tao's voice without the British accent and you can picture how bad things are.)

Other than that, there are a couple of people who seem to think it's one of the better dubs. It's really your call.

[Master Moron]

More like a certain neighbor of mine chastising me about it. Of course, back then, the only reason I'd bother with SM was because I still with the "women in skimpy outifts" crowd at the time. Thank god those days are over.


Yes, most male Sailor Moon fans get made fun of at one time for liking a show about a bunch of girls who fight evil...but...I don't think watching Mew Mew Power will be any less embarrassing...

Other than that, there are a couple of people who seem to think it's one of the better dubs. It's really your call.

Well, you didn't mention the music. And since this is 4K!ds then I assume they changed all the music. And any dub that changes all the music sucks in my opinion.

[Wanted]

Also, is there any shot of Mew Mew Power, Magical DoRemi, or Sonic X showing up on Miguzi or CN AT ALL.Again, I must pose the question...

Why do you care so much? They're just shows. Really, if they don't end up anywhere, nobody will be angry. Nobody will even be upset. Why anyone would want a bunch of sub-subpar shows coming to a network that's showing signs of improvement (and other signs; consorting with the devil will prove deleterious to Cartoon Network)? Acquiring any 4Kids shows at this point in time would be like taking two steps backward.

By the way, the devil is Animation Collective... Larry Schwartz isn't creative. I've got more talent and tenacity than does he.

[Sketch]

-Kish/Dren still, as of this day, holds the record for 4Kids character with the worst dialog written. (And throw in the fact that he has Len Tao's voice without the British accent and you can picture how bad things are.)


No that honor goes to Usopp on their drek dub of One Piece. Such as just this last week when they were talking about how dance powder works he said "Ooh so it makes the clouds go POTTY!"

[Ultra Mike]

If Sonic X hasn't been on Miguzi by now, it's most likely never going to be.

I would of said the same thing about Xialoin Showdown coming to Cartoon Network last year, but it's come. Personally I think CN's waiting for all the 78 episodes of Sonic X to air before they start stripping and airing it on Miguzi. I mean it's one of the highest rated shows on 4Kids and would probably pull in a lot of ratings on Miguzi (since unlike TMNT is has more "girlish" things in with Cream and Amy being main characters and such).

No that honor goes to Usopp on their drek dub of One Piece. Such as just this last week when they were talking about how dance powder works he said "Ooh so it makes the clouds go POTTY!"

A lot of people think that 4Kids is purposley giving Usopp bad dialogue since they don't like him and don't want anyone to like him. I say they just think they're funny and only want Usopp to be treated as a non-serious character.

[Rurouni Kenshin]

Again, I must pose the question...

Why do you care so much? They're just shows. Really, if they don't end up anywhere, nobody will be angry. Nobody will even be upset. Why anyone would want a bunch of sub-subpar shows coming to a network that's showing signs of improvement (and other signs; consorting with the devil will prove deleterious to Cartoon Network)? Acquiring any 4Kids shows at this point in time would be like taking two steps backward.

By the way, the devil is Animation Collective... Larry Schwartz isn't creative. I've got more talent and tenacity than does he.

Because its obvious that the poster liked these shows, also considering a 4kids show airs twice a day on CN, I don't see how its a step backwards.

[LordTerminal]

No that honor goes to Usopp on their drek dub of One Piece. Such as just this last week when they were talking about how dance powder works he said "Ooh so it makes the clouds go POTTY!"

Dren's been caught quoting nursery rhymes. That's ten times worse than anything Usopp has said in the history of One Piece. It's close, but the alien still beats the long nose in the end of it all.


Well, you didn't mention the music. And since this is 4K!ds then I assume they changed all the music. And any dub that changes all the music sucks in my opinion.


With the exceptions of Bobobo, Viewtiful Joe, Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist and to some degrees Rockman.exe and Zatch Bell, (And feel free to throw any others I couldn't think of at the time as well.) pretty ANY dub, regardless of it being pan handled by 4Kids, changes the original music score. It's a matter of whether the company can afford it and actually cares enough about it's potential audiences in the anime district to compensate so that arguement is practically.

Although you DO bring a good point. Mew Mew never.....stops....with inset songs. Oh and I guess I should mention that they changed the entire cast's names too despite Tokyo Pop's commitment of keeping the original names intact.

[creativerealms]

Speaking of One Piece, you would think 4kids might try to copy what they did with One Piece. The show was getting crappy ratings on 4kids TV but they put it on Toonami and the ratings did much better. A good company would try to see if something like that worked a second time. Then again this is 4kids and not a good company.

[Wanted]

Because its obvious that the poster liked these shows, also considering a 4kids show airs twice a day on CN, I don't see how its a step backwards.Please don't speak for anyone else if you can't. Anyhow, you didn't read my words:

"Acquiring any 4Kids shows at this point in time would be like taking two steps backward."

I said nothing about pre-existing programming already on the network. That doesn't concern me; what does is more programming from a company that puts out subpar shows coming to Cartoon Network. Forget it though, Cartoon Network is just a hopeless case for people too old to wish for things in such a manner. There's really nothing redeeming about the network, or the fact that people continue to support it at this day and age.

But, if that's the way I feel, maybe I should give threads like these a break.

[Yash]

pretty ANY dub, regardless of it being pan handled by 4Kids, changes the original music score. Wrong.

Well, of course, if FUNi, Bandai, ADV, Viz, Geneon, etc. all don't exist, then I guess you're right.

[Sketch]

If it refers to all broadcasts it's very wrong. If it refers to youth broadcasts it's almost right. However with the success of Naruto and it's original music I believe more companies will leave in the original music for youth broadcasts as well. It's really a mixed bag. DBZ and GT had their music replaced while Dragonball and Yu Yu Hakusho didn't. Viz replaced the music in most of their youth anime but left in Naruto's. Bandai's youth shows don't replace music though.

[LordTerminal]

Wrong.

Well, of course, if FUNi, Bandai, ADV, Viz, Geneon, etc. all don't exist, then I guess you're right.


Did you even read the list of examples I gave smart ass? Are those companies really starting to be more prone towards keeping original music nowadays? Because the only ones my mind could bring up were the ones I listed.

[Wanted]

Did you even read the list of examples I gave smart ass? Are those companies really starting to be more prone towards keeping original music nowadays? Because the only ones my mind could bring up were the ones I listed.Well, technically, you didn't list any companies in your post previous this one. You just listed shows' names.

And, using the term "smart ass" isn't all that wise, nor does it get your point across any stronger; in other words, there's no real point. It just promotes contempt toward you by the poster whom you're calling a "smart ass," and possibly a mod could step in.

[Yash]

Did you even read the list of examples I gave smart ass? Are those companies really starting to be more prone towards keeping original music nowadays? Because the only ones my mind could bring up were the ones I listed. Yes, "those companies" are starting to be more prone towards keeping original music nowadays. The only series FUNi owns that got its music butchered was Dragonball Z. Geneon keeps the original music even in their televised dubs (Viewtiful Joe). In all of the Gundam series Bandai has gotten, all of them have kept the original music. I'm pretty sure whatever shows ADV and Viz have that may have music replacements are exceptions and not rules.

How many *current* TV dubs can you think of that don't keep the original music?

[creativerealms]

Lord Terminal you do say "pretty much every dub" when really all dubs but older dubs and more recent Americanized dubs actually change the music. Those shows you are calling rare exceptions are actually representing most dubs while 4kids shows are representing the exceptions. It's just 99% of dubs never air on TV, so of course if you are only counting TV dubs and counting all the dubs from the past forty years then your right.

[Master Moron]

With the exceptions of Bobobo, Viewtiful Joe, Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist and to some degrees Rockman.exe and Zatch Bell, (And feel free to throw any others I couldn't think of at the time as well.) pretty ANY dub, regardless of it being pan handled by 4Kids, changes the original music score. It's a matter of whether the company can afford it and actually cares enough about it's potential audiences in the anime district to compensate so that arguement is practically.


Wrong. Just talking about anime on TV, every anime that has aired on Adult Swim has kept the original music. We're talking Trigun, Reign, Cowboy Bebop, Kikaider, Lupin, Witch Hunter Robin, Reign, Case Closed, Wolf's Rain, Samurai Champloo, Neon Genesis Evangelion, Full Metal Alchemist, Paranoia Agent, S-cry-ed, Ghost in the Shell, Big O, Gundam 0083, Pilot Candidate, Inu-yasha and anything else I'm forgetting.

Furthermore, most of the shows that have aired on Toonami have kept the original music. Dragonball, Sailor Moon S and SuperS, Outlaw Star, Rurouni Kenshin, Tenchi Muyo, Naruto, Bo-bo-bo-bo Bo-bo-bo, Cyborg 009, .Hack//Sign, and all of the Gundams. I'm not sure about Zoids or Hamtaro. I believe Transformers keeps most of the original music.

I think the only shows that have aired on Toonami that have changed the music are Dragonball Z and GT, Card Captors, Sailor Moon and Sailor Moon R, One Piece!, Yu-Gi-Oh!, and Astroboy. Zatch Bell! also changes the majority of the music. Oh, and I suppose you could throw in IGPX in there if you want, but that's kind of a whole different story there. Actually, that list is quite a bit bigger than I thought, but keep in mind most of these aired on another network before coming to Toonami.

I don't get many other channels that air anime. But, my understanding is that everything G4 has aired has kept the original music.

And if we're going to get into DVD releases that haven't been on TV, then well, I could just copy and paste hundreds of titles from animeondvd.com that keep the original music.

For the most part the only stuff that changes the music is the 4K!ds and Kid's WB garbage.

[Lord Mawdryn]

One 4Kids! show I can see coming to Cartoon Network is G.I. Joe: Sigma 6, but it will probably air at the 6:00 a.m. (EST) timeslot four days a week once it completes its 26-episode run...

[bklien]

One 4Kids! show I can see coming to Cartoon Network is G.I. Joe: Sigma 6, but it will probably air at the 6:00 a.m. (EST) timeslot four days a week once it completes its 26-episode run...
i thought g.i. joe and bratz were the lowest rated shows on 4kids.

[Lord Mawdryn]

True, but low-ratings won't stop Sigma 6 from coming back for another 13-episode run (probably due more to Hasbro than 4Kids). With 26-episodes total under its belt, Sigma 6 might have an advanced reservation at the 6:00 or 6:30 A.M. Monday-Thursday slot because I don't think many people watch at that time either and it's almost a filler block, IMO...

[Wanted]

True, but low-ratings won't stop Sigma 6 from coming back for another 13-episode run (probably due more to Hasbro than 4Kids). With 26-episodes total under its belt, Sigma 6 might have an advanced reservation at the 6:00 or 6:30 A.M. Monday-Thursday slot because I don't think many people watch at that time either and it's almost a filler block, IMO...Your argument doesn't make sense. Why would Cartoon Network purchase a show specifically for a filler slot? A slot where they could put almost any other cartoon they own?

[Lord Mawdryn]

Your argument doesn't make sense. Why would Cartoon Network purchase a show specifically for a filler slot? A slot where they could put almost any other cartoon they own?

You can ask that about a lot of shows Cartoon Network has...

[PeppeRaskell1]

I think Winx Club is coming back. It's supposed to be on next Sunday (2-hour block) at 2 p.m.

While it's not listed on the CN website schedule (probably tomorrow), it's listed in the TV Guide.com and Yahoo!TV listings.

Of course, I'll believe that when I actually see it.