C&C - Ghost in the Shell - "Pat" [3/11]

[Tienshin]

It's Pat!

[Gatomon41]

Pat? :shrug:

What the devil?

[Artimus Gigan]

The bunny?

Wait a bunny is also a rabbit

and rabbits can be white

and a white rabbit is a character in Through The Looking Glass

and they've made references to Through The Looking Glass in the Matrix which was inspired by GITS

Either way, someone is going down

[Jedah Dohma]

No, no, IT'S PAT!!

....

An odd title, though.

[Djm912]

Every week, I wait for my favorite show on television, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex, 2nd Gig. With my "If I were a wrestler, this would be my entrance music" song in "Rise"

I cannot wait to see PAT in English.
If you don't like Tachikomas...just go away. Now, while you can. Djm is warning you now.

Consider yourself warned. Djm is looking out for you.

[Gatomon41]

Tachikomias!

Did I just hear Lara Jill Miller! :anime:

Corrupt Redshirt. Legloas Lab Tech?

[Djm912]

One of them just said "Darn right I am!"

^_^ times 40.

[FlyByNite77]

Pat?
http://snl.jt.org/pics/char/JuSw-Pat.jpg

:confused:

[Djm912]

Now, the Tachis are individuals and can continue their discussion on the server.

[djthomp]

Legloas Lab Tech?
Unfortunately, he never pulls out a bow and starts kicking ass.

[Gatomon41]

I so happy! It's Lara Jill Miller! :anime:

[FlyByNite77]

I thought the Tachikoma's were about to bust a move ;)

[Djm912]

2nd Gig: The Cliff Notes version, courtesy of the Tachikomas. :anime:

This is the kind of episode where people will tell me tomorrow "the show's too wordy".

[Juu-kuchi]

I swear to God I will someday die from a Tachikoma cuteness overload.

XD XD XD
Sooooo.... cuuuuuuute!

[djthomp]

I so happy! It's Lara Jill Miller! :anime:
Hehe, yep, gotta love the Kari Tachikoma.

[Jedah Dohma]

Holy crap it's Lara Jill "Kari Kamiya" Miller. Nice. :)

Ah, a full Tachikoma episode. Just what a needed.

[Djm912]

This discussion is flowing into Lain territory with the talk about the net and the human consciousness.

[MattThomasM2B]

You know what I feel like right now?

I feel like I could use some good old fashioned mass suicide.

[Gatomon41]

Was that Mona Marshal, with her Terriermon voice as a Tachikomia?

There's something funny about Killing Machines with the personailites of Schoolgirls and discussing Philosophy.

[Scirel]

All Philosophy Lectures should be held using cute, high pitched female voices.

[Djm912]

OK, everyone. Take a breath while the commercials are on.

[Gatomon41]

So, did anyone understand what was spoken? And what this has to do with Pat?

[One Radical Dude]

Tachimania!!! :anime::anime::anime::anime: *dies from Tachikoma fever*

[tb4000]

Tachikomas getting the shivers is the funniest thing ever.

[djthomp]

Haven't got the Pat reference, but what they're talking about is more then just theory.

[Djm912]

So, did anyone understand what was spoken? And what this has to do with Pat?
In a way, it was the cliff notes version of the reasoning behind the Invidual Eleven, and the virus that infected them. And how they were manipulated by Gouda.

2ndly, the Tachikomas search for individuality and a "ghost" is in a way the contrast from most of the humans in Section 9 who seem to be fairly content in their cybernetic bodies.

[Tienshin]

I feel like I am watching Waking Life. Except instead of asswipes walking around waxing intelligent, I am watching a bunch of robots that took bong hits in the parking lot before going in for maintenance.

[Djm912]

And now the Major in all her charismatic glory makes her presence known.

[Gatomon41]

Explosion! An Attack? Terror? Or just an lab experiment gone wrong?

[Delthayre]

You know, it strikes me that these Tachikomas have a habit common to the complex or philosophical; attaching complex clauses meant to emphasize or summarize the point that manage to simply confuse it.

Mercy knows this sort of thing can be hard enough to follow on a written page, but at least the squeaky female voices add an absurdist tone that makes even the philosophically impenetrable amusing.

[Djm912]

You know, it strikes me that these Tachikomas have a habit common to the complex or philosophical; attaching complex clauses meant to emphasize or summarize the point that manage to simply confuse it.

Mercy knows this sort of thing can be hard enough to follow on a written page, but at least the squeaky female voices add an absurdist tone that makes even the philosophically impenetrable amusing.

In a world where they're creators are trying to become what they are, I assume the Tachikomas and their uber curious AI really have no alternative but to wonder what makes them, technology and cyberization so important to humanity

Plus, it's just cute.

[Gatomon41]

Wow, Karibot has a bit of Sherdis even!

[FlyByNite77]

Someone has to DEFECT from Japan in the future? Jeez.

[Djm912]

Who knew giant spider bots that discuss philosophy could have no physical AI?

[tb4000]

Tachikomas have no A.I. Does that mean they're....alive?!! Bum-bum-bummmm.....:eek:

[djthomp]

Yes Tachikomas, you're all airheads.

Well, more like spaceheads.

[Gatomon41]

"Please don't let him be my daddy" :p

Satalite? Their brains are in space?

[Djm912]

The Major, in all her captivating glory, just preached the government diatribe.

Where's your fanservice now?

The Tachikoma AI is in space.

[Jedah Dohma]

Tachikoma...have no AI? Huh.

[Gatomon41]

Tachikoma...have an AI? Huh.
No, they use the Hearts of Orphan children.

[Djm912]

Tachikoma...have no AI? Huh.

They do have AI, but it's not actually stored on the units. The AI is stored in a satellite in space, which is why one of the units felt disconnected in between thought and body.

[Juu-kuchi]

Hm. Rather distinctive ending.

[djthomp]

No, they use the Hearts of Orphan children.
Refugee orphan children, to tie it into the season storyline.

[Jedah Dohma]

No, they use the Hearts of Orphan children.

Actually, that was a typo. I really did meant to say 'Tachikoma have no AI?'. :sweat:

They do have AI, but it's not actually stored on the units. The AI is stored in a satellite in space, which is why one of the units felt disconnected in between thought and body.

I just realized just now. Thanks for the info.

[havokpryde]

Did anyone see the parallels to the Berlin Wall? The guy wanted to free, and unfortunately was denied. This is definately the Japan of the future.

[Hyper Shadow X]

Never really cared for these ones/

[Delthayre]

The ending was a little strange, and stuck out to me the most. GitS:SAC has never been very adept with character, despite its impressive complexity of story, so it came off a little pale, but the way they reäcted at the end had an interesting melancholy to it. I sometimes have to wonder exactly what Public Security Section 9 serves, why they do, and under what circumstances they do it.

The most interesting implications to me are those about the nature of the future Japan this series takes place in. It seems to want to be nigh authoritarian some times, a nation that sense it has failed to achieve stability and thus looks to control as an alternative.

[Djm912]

Did anyone see the parallels to the Berlin Wall? The guy wanted to free, and unfortunately was denied. This is definately the Japan of the future.
The Japanese appear to be extremely self-aware, as well as being aware of how to produce a plausible future with society today.

[Steiner]

The most interesting implications to me are those about the nature of the future Japan this series takes place in. It seems to want to be nigh authoritarian some times, a nation that sense it has failed to achieve stability and thus looks to control as an alternative.

Personally, I was getting a somewhat socialist state vibe. Not saying that the Japanese of the future are communists, but the whole thing with state scientists and all is kind of similar.

[Gatomon41]

Personally, I was getting a somewhat socialist state vibe. Not saying that the Japanese of the future are communists, but the whole thing with state scientists and all is kind of similar.

Well,the world jfought two other world wars, and Japan seems to be a superpower, with technology as a major key to that dominace. Of course Japan would want to keep their Best Minds for themselves.

[Djm912]

Personally, I was getting a somewhat socialist state vibe. Not saying that the Japanese of the future are communists, but the whole thing with state scientists and all is kind of similar. I didn't really see it that way. I saw the scientist the same way I see Section 9, or if you prefer, State Alchemists.

They do their job because they believe they have a righteous cause, and not because they're slaves to the state...or maybe in spite of the fact that they're slaves to the state. As we have already seen, Japan's gov't is not by any means an operation without its dissent.

[djthomp]

I might have missed it, but did they ever explain the episode title?

[Strollymonster]

I might have missed it, but did they ever explain the episode title?

Maybe the cyber-brain is Pat's? It would explain the very Pat-like behavior the Tachikomas manifest, namely annoying a lot of people :D

I'm thinking the Tachikomas are powered by Mati from Captain Planet with his Power of Heart...he's a super-secret Section 9 operative :anime:

[Artimus Gigan]

I might have missed it, but did they ever explain the episode title?
PAT
Poly Autominus Transmitter

PAT=Tachicoma Brain Satilite

[djthomp]

Ahh, there we go, thanks.

[Railith]

Tachicomas are awesome and any episode with them is automatically awesome.

I kinda felt bad for the scientist guy. He wasn't a bad guy but gets screwed over royally in the end for creating cute funny tanks.

[Nobody You Know]

Maybe the cyber-brain is Pat's? It would explain the very Pat-like behavior the Tachikomas manifest, namely annoying a lot of people :D

I subscribe to this theory. Hearing SAC's heavy-handed, impregnable philisopical hocus-pocus is bad enough, but hearing it spoken by the Tachikoma? ANNOYING.

Well, actually, I got a better idea of what was going on in the series, though not really the plot of the Individual Eleven itself.

It's funny, I should want to watch the series less now, but I feel like watching it more...

[Kagetsu]

:sweat: This show felt like a dialoge slog fest in G#.
It did have a little Tach info but it was being laid on with a shovel. Not a complete waste of time,,, but almost.

TachDaddy couldn't leave with State Tech,,, now if it had been aproved before hand as an economic good will gesture that would be another matter.

[Space Chief]

This is the kind of episode that makes me glad I record this show.

I think there should be a show combines takes dialogue from political debates and footage of the Tachikomas. It would be the best show ever.

And Lara Jay Miller has been a tachikoma since season 1.

[One Radical Dude]

Okay, so can someone name all the VAs in the dub that did the Tachikomas on this episode? :p

[silvanoir]

The Tachi's can talk about anything an make it cute. They were talking about conciounsess and all that, but all I could think was "aww what a cute little blue tank you are" :anime: :anime: :anime: I was glad that it was explained their out of body 3rd selves were a satelite and not some other philosphical explanation.... also good because they can't make any modifications to their own AI, only the major can from remote control.

The sceintist got what he bargained for. He could have done independent work, but as was stated in the show, he traded his patent on the research for all the funding and equipment he could dream of. Nothing's ever free in the world. Plenty of countries, including the US, have government funded scientific research.

[Kagetsu]

And Lara Jay Miller has been a tachikoma since season 1.
Ok, to save me a web slog that I may not understand, who is Lara Jay Miller?
I heard one Tach voice that made me think "I've heard that voice before", but have no idea where.

[djthomp]

Lara Jill Miller (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0330070/). Shes done lots of work, memorable to a number of us as Kari from Digimon seasons 1 & 2.

[Gatomon41]

Actually, it's Lara Jill Miller.

Oddly enough, she's more well known for been on the show "Gimme a Break!" with Nell Carter. Afterwards, she decided to get a college carrer and became a Lawyer. After a year of that, she went back to Hollywood, were she became a voice actor, and became well known by Digimon fans as the voice of Kari. Latter, she went on to become the voice of Scherdis on Scryed, a number of Video Game and Anime roles, and Juniper Lee on "The Life and times of Juniper Lee."

[djthomp]

Err, yeah, thats what I get for copying and pasting.

Oo, didn't realize she did Juniper Lee, coolness.

[Ryan227]

I didn't care for this episode too much. Everyone seems to love the Tachicomas! Heh sometimes I feel like I'm the only person who finds too much of them completely annoying. This episode reminded me a bit of Chat Chat Chat from last season in the way that it explained things and was a bit recappish but I really liked Chat Chat Chat much better.

Does anyone know who did Proto's (eh I think that was his name...) voice? He kind of sounded like someone but I could be wrong :shrug:

[Funkatron]

On a Satellite? It raises a few questions

1. How strong is the freakin signal, anywho? What happens when its not at optimal signal strength ie. underground/jamming/etc?
2. What kind of latency is there between the Sat and the Tach bodies ie. How long does it take from when the Tachi's think of moving thier arm to when it actually moves on earth. It must be one heck of a ping time!

[Gatomon41]

On a Satellite? It raises a few questions

1. How strong is the freakin signal, anywho? What happens when its not at optimal signal strength ie. underground/jamming/etc?
2. What kind of latency is there between the Sat and the Tach bodies ie. How long does it take from when the Tachi's think of moving thier arm to when it actually moves on earth. It must be one heck of a ping time!

It would rock if the Tachikomias were using Quantum Teleportation comunication. Lightspeed Communication with no know way to jam it. Though, that might be quite a feat even for the GitS universe.

[Strollymonster]

At this point in the series, I'm just waiting for a Quantum Leap crossover with Scott Bakula possessing a Tachikoma and Section 9 treating him like an enemy ghost :anime:

Scott Bakula loves Tachikomas :D

[Steiner]

At this point in the series, I'm just waiting for a Quantum Leap crossover with Scott Bakula possessing a Tachikoma and Section 9 treating him like an enemy ghost :anime:

Scott Bakula loves Tachikomas :D

-Tachikomas proceed to get into a deep, metaphysical discussion-

"Oh boy".

[Paul_Cousins]

It would rock if the Tachikomias were using Quantum Teleportation comunication. Lightspeed Communication with no know way to jam it. Though, that might be quite a feat even for the GitS universe.Wouldn't it be cheaper, and much easier to just destory the satellite with a laser gun from the ground.

[Gatomon41]

Wouldn't it be cheaper, and much easier to just destory the satellite with a laser gun from the ground.

The only nations that could only do that would have to be a Great Power or Superpower (the only guys with the resources that can do it), have enough energy to power such a weapon, fix the problems of disperision in the atmosphere before hioing the statlite, have a good targeting system, know where it is...

It's just too hard to hit a statlite with a Ground Base laser. Better to use a Space-Based laser.

Or even easier, lanuch a bunch of tiny metal cubes or sand particles from the ground (using a rocket or even a big cannon) into the path of the statlite. The speeds of the Statalite and the impact with the metal cubes would turn it into swiss chesse.

[Paul_Cousins]

The only nations that could only do that would have to be a Great Power or Superpower (the only guys with the resources that can do it), have enough energy to power such a weapon, fix the problems of disperision in the atmosphere before hioing the statlite, have a good targeting system, know where it is...Not really, the U.S. has developed laser weapons that can be mounted on a fighter jet, this was reported five years ago.

Also, the Russians have developed a laser that can destroy satellites.

By 2030 in the GitS world, I am sure they have laser weapons and targetting systems that could do the job on the cheap. The catch is to figuring which satellite out of the sea of satellites to hit.

[Vallen Valiant]

Not really, the U.S. has developed laser weapons that can be mounted on a fighter jet, this was reported five years ago.

Also, the Russians have developed a laser that can destroy satellites.

By 2030 in the GitS world, I am sure they have laser weapons and targetting systems that could do the job on the cheap. The catch is to figuring which satellite out of the sea of satellites to hit.

And technically it's a military satellite, so a level of defensive measures would be applicable for it. People who have the power to order an attack of that level won't consider it a high priority target, while people who would want the satellite destroyed (for the sole purpose of disabling the Tachis) are not in a position to demand such an assault.

The only people who cared about the individuality of the Tachis are those in Section 9. Section 9's enemies won't consider it worth destroying, because the Tachis could function as weapons very well with just their basic, robotic, AI programming.

Should the satellite be destroyed, it would take a day at most before the tanks are fully operational as weapons. Enemies of Section 9 are interested in weakening Section 9's combat ability, so the satellite's destruction would be a lot of work with no real pay-off.

[Paul_Cousins]

Vallen Valiant, I think you have missed the entire point I was trying to make, which was that if you cannot hack into the tachikoma AI satellite, then there is the option of destroying the satellite.

[Vallen Valiant]

Vallen Valiant, I think you have missed the entire point I was trying to make, which was that if you cannot hack into the tachikoma AI satellite, then there is the option of destroying the satellite.
And if you have the means of destroying the satellite, it would be cheaper to just physically destroy the tanks by diverting the funding to buying more ground weapons and mobile-armour.

There is such a thing as overkill. The reason the AI is stored in space, is that it takes more effort to destroy the satellite than it's worth.

If you can disable ALL the tanks in Japan by blowing the satalite up, then it is worth it. But just for disabling a dozen lightly-armed (by military standards) tanks? No one is that bored.

[Freedom Fighter]

I don't like it when I have to think so much for this late at night. The Tachikoma at least clear up some of the fuzziness with their cute voices, but not by much.

I was expecting an 'Individual 11' discussion, but the Tachis sidetrack back to their events of Season One, on how they're still of individual minds even though they should be of one since they're back to getting the same old homogenous oil. Then we get all of this information and debate again on their similarities to humans and if human consciousnesses are separated from the body, then are they the same way? Throwing in the fact that the Tachis' AI is in a satellite orbiting Earth and not actually in their bodies, and the Tachis' original programmer as well making an appearance, and well... we didn't learn all that much about the I11, did we?

What I learned from this episode:
1) That Tachikoma can make you understand things a little bit better.
2) That I've never been so enthralled at a group of 'gossipping schoolgirls.'
3) That apparently because your government owns your idea and you're not making money off of it, you don't have any right to take it somewhere else to make money off it, even if that's your reason for leaving and not because you're committing treason against said government. And you'll go to jail or be executed for trying. Actually, for coming up with the idea in the first place, if you never give them the idea you've created, the government can either jail you or execute you to keep it out of their enemies' hands.

So basically, if you have ideas, you're either working for the government, are in jail, or are dead. Heh... just like real life, I suppose.

7 out of 10 for "Pat."

[Gatomon41]

Not really, the U.S. has developed laser weapons that can be mounted on a fighter jet, this was reported five years ago.
I know that Laser weapons have been developed for missle intercept, but I don't really think Jet armed Lasers can hit something in Earth's high orbit.


And if you have the means of destroying the satellite, it would be cheaper to just physically destroy the tanks by diverting the funding to buying more ground weapons and mobile-armour.

There is such a thing as overkill. The reason the AI is stored in space, is that it takes more effort to destroy the satellite than it's worth.

If you can disable ALL the tanks in Japan by blowing the satalite up, then it is worth it. But just for disabling a dozen lightly-armed (by military standards) tanks? No one is that bored.

Agreed. The Tachi's brain statlite isn't a major military target, and those who would like to destroy the statlite don't have the resources to even touch it.

[Spastic Minnow]

"Please don't let him be my daddy" :p


Glad I wasn't the only one who immediately thought of Super Milk-Chan when they started talking about the scientist being their father.

http://homepage.mac.com/jubei1/gits/tachikoma.jpghttp://www.comixwave.com/home1/hanken/milkchan/image/tetsuko.gif
My Daddy!? How Dreeeamy!


Anyways, the (other) bit I liked about the episode was how the major was making the comparison about how both the scientist and those in section 9 are all trapped in service and that the scientist was just searching for freedom. I thought it was a good allusion to the first movie, in which the Major is basically just looking for her own freedom.

[Paul_Cousins]

1. And if you have the means of destroying the satellite, it would be cheaper to just physically destroy the tanks by diverting the funding to buying more ground weapons and mobile-armour.

2. There is such a thing as overkill. The reason the AI is stored in space, is that it takes more effort to destroy the satellite than it's worth.

3. If you can disable ALL the tanks in Japan by blowing the satalite up, then it is worth it. But just for disabling a dozen lightly-armed (by military standards) tanks? No one is that bored.1. Those blue tanks are fast, agile and next to impossible to hit with bullet and rockets. Plus they have weapons strong enough to take down a light-armored tank.

2. No, overkill would be using a nuke. The main defense for a satellite is that it is a needle in a hayfield of other satellites.

3. Gouda has proven to be that low and underhanded by going after Togusa through the courts.

3) That apparently because your government owns your idea and you're not making money off of it, you don't have any right to take it somewhere else to make money off it, even if that's your reason for leaving and not because you're committing treason against said government. And you'll go to jail or be executed for trying. Actually, for coming up with the idea in the first place, if you never give them the idea you've created, the government can either jail you or execute you to keep it out of their enemies' hands.

So basically, if you have ideas, you're either working for the government, are in jail, or are dead. Heh... just like real life, I suppose.

7 out of 10 for "Pat."Actually the doctor willing traded any personal profit for his future research for all the government funding and tools he needed to do the research.

Any interesting note, he stated at the end of the episode that his technology is probably already public knowledge on internet.

[Vallen Valiant]

1. Those blue tanks are fast, agile and next to impossible to hit with bullet and rockets. Plus they have weapons strong enough to take down a light-armored tank.

2. No, overkill would be using a nuke. The main defense for a satellite is that it is a needle in a hayfield of other satellites.

3. Gouda has proven to be that low and underhanded by going after Togusa through the courts.
1. The kind of equipment needed to take out a satellite is military-grade. And we have been shown many times that Section 9 can't really take authentic military equipment head on. Ep 2 of the first series showed that.

2. Think about the effort required to shoot down a satellite... Now, think about the effort required to send in a platoon of soldiers in armoured suits.

Do you have any idea how much work is required to shoot down a satellite? SERIOUSLY?
What do you think this is? HALO?

3. Shooting a satellite is not low. It's blunt, tactless, pisses off the government, nearly impossible to hide from the media, and sparks many international incidents as other nations would wonder if their own satellites would be at risk.
Gouda is smarter than that.

[Fafhrd]

I kept looking at all the Tachikomas all through this episode.

(1) They jump up and down and wave their "arms" when they speak. Why?

(2) It looks very much, at times, as if their "arms" and legs aren't physically attached to their bodies.

(3) I find it nearly impossible to understand Tachikomas when they speak. Too high and piercing. For that matter, why do Tachikomas have to talk to each other at all? Can't they do it all by instant messaging via microwave or something?

Bzzt?

Bssxt!

Bz.

(like that)

[Paul_Cousins]

1. The kind of equipment needed to take out a satellite is military-grade. And we have been shown many times that Section 9 can't really take authentic military equipment head on. Ep 2 of the first series showed that.

2. Think about the effort required to shoot down a satellite... Now, think about the effort required to send in a platoon of soldiers in armoured suits.

Do you have any idea how much work is required to shoot down a satellite? SERIOUSLY?
What do you think this is? HALO?

3. Shooting a satellite is not low. It's blunt, tactless, pisses off the government, nearly impossible to hide from the media, and sparks many international incidents as other nations would wonder if their own satellites would be at risk.
Gouda is smarter than that.1. Think about how much military grade technology 20 years ago that we now have in our household and businesses in the present.

2. The powering the weapon is not the problem, Advances in laser technologies today have yielded better ways of condensing light to create lasers at lower power levels.

But the targetting is the problem. Figuring out which satellite is and targetting it.

3. I think Gouda would do it just to anger Section 9 just to inflate his own ego.

[Vallen Valiant]

I kept looking at all the Tachikomas all through this episode.

(1) They jump up and down and wave their "arms" when they speak. Why?

(2) It looks very much, at times, as if their "arms" and legs aren't physically attached to their bodies.

(3) I find it nearly impossible to understand Tachikomas when they speak. Too high and piercing. For that matter, why do Tachikomas have to talk to each other at all? Can't they do it all by instant messaging via microwave or something?

Bzzt?

Bssxt!

Bz.

(like that)
1. The same reason we wave our arms when we are in a heated discussion; to bring emphasis to the point we are trying to make.

2. That's because it's CG. It can't be helped.

3. That's brought up by the Tachis in the past, I believe. Anyway, the only reason they are communicating to each other is for passing the time between missions, so there is no hurry. It's entertainment to them to talk via speakers.

I might as well ask you to eat compacted food-pills with all the nutrients you need, rather than wasting time chewing food that took long preparation time as well as washing up the dishes afterwards.
The Tachis like to speak because they enjoy it, in the same way you enjoy chewing and tasting good food. Because they are technically immortal, they don't worry about saving time.

[Ackar]

Plus they wouldn't be very good exposition-bots if they only beeped. ;)

[Gatomon41]

1. Think about how much military grade technology 20 years ago that we now have in our household and businesses in the present.

How is that revalent? From what we seen in the show, GitS Military Teachnology could easilly destroy Tachikomias.


2. The powering the weapon is not the problem, Advances in laser technologies today have yielded better ways of condensing light to create lasers at lower power levels.

But the targetting is the problem. Figuring out which satellite is and targetting it.


Enough power to hit a Statlite in Orbit, and still sloving the problem of keeping the laser from disapating in the atmosphere? And even then, that still requires some preety fancy hardware.

3. I think Gouda would do it just to anger Section 9 just to inflate his own ego.

No one would try hitting a statlite to get anyone angry. It such a waste of resources. Also, Ghouda is trying to be covert in his actions. Statlite destruction would make him light up like a Christmas Tree in a forest to the government atuthorties.

[Paul_Cousins]

1. How is that revalent? From what we seen in the show, GitS Military Teachnology could easilly destroy Tachikomias.



2. Enough power to hit a Statlite in Orbit, and still sloving the problem of keeping the laser from disapating in the atmosphere? And even then, that still requires some preety fancy hardware.



3. No one would try hitting a statlite to get anyone angry. It such a waste of resources. Also, Ghouda is trying to be covert in his actions. Statlite destruction would make him light up like a Christmas Tree in a forest to the government atuthorties.1. I was stating to Vallen Valiant how 20 years from now, such weapons will be avalible for the right price in 20 or so years, GitS is set in 2030.

2. Not really, you just shoot in an upwards directions from where you are at, the atmosphere is thinest straight up from where you are at instead of the horizon. Also, satellite rotation around the earth several times a day, except if they are placed in one of the five L points (but that is another issue), so have the opportunity to shoot straight up at the satellite is possible.

Of course you can always place a laser on an airplane (like the Israels are doing right now on commerical aircraft to shoot down missiles) and go higher in the atmosphere.

3. Gouda is currently trying to start a revolution in Japan. Is it that far a reach...

[Vallen Valiant]

3. Gouda is currently trying to start a revolution in Japan. Is it that far a reach...
Yes, it is.

Because destroying that satellite has nothing to do with starting a revolution. Gouda isn't a dumb mad villain who kept monologuing and let the emotions affect his goals. He threatened Togusa not out of fun, but because he could threaten public exposure of Section 9 via the civil courts.
Convincing Section-9 to blow up a civilian communications satellite and have Motoko take the blame, however, would be more his thing.

He is too smart. An intellectual villain always aim for intellectual plans, and blowing a satellite out of the sky isn't one of those plans.
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If he want to disable all the Tachis, it would be quicker for him to spread rumours of AI instability (technically 100% true) in these tanks, and cause concerned government officials to shut them down.

[makarios]

(2) It looks very much, at times, as if their "arms" and legs aren't physically attached to their bodies.



When the Tachikomas retreated to their virtual conference room, they were being represented by avatars, basically. Those vitrual avatars didn't have connected limbs. Once they were back in reality, they looked normal again.




It seems to me that the Tachikoma AI is stored in a sattellite. Destroying it might destroy their individuality and prevent them, temporarily, from functioning on their own, but that's it. Whoever went to such lengths would still have to contend with the tanks once their onboard AI was restored. I'm not sure that it would anger Section 9 anyway, although it might piss off the fans of the show.

[herbkir]

Destorying the satellite housing the Tachikomas' AI wouldn't neutralize them as weapons. While their "higher" functions may be in the satellite, for speed of reflex the "brainstem" functions that enable them to roll/walk/shoot etc. would be housed in each individual unit. So they probably could still be used as dumb light tanks. And since they are basically part of a police force, not a military force, there's not much for an adversary to gain by lobotomizing the Tachikomas.

Today, our military forces are dependent on satellites for locating targets, guiding weapons, communicating with friendly forces etc. because of vastly improved operational efficiencies. Go 25 years forward and that dependence will only increase as police forces also become satellite-dependent for the same operational efficiency reasons as the military. If some power today started taking out military and civilian satellites, the whole world would notice damned quick. It'd pretty much be an open declaration of war. Even more so in another 25 years.

Besides, the Tachis are cute as can be, and it would take a truly dastardly villain to want to harm a cute little blue tank. (^_*)

[Artimus Gigan]

Besides, the Tachis are cute as can be, and it would take a truly dastardly villain to want to harm a cute little blue tank. (^_*)

Just use another AI tank like the Fuchicoma

[raykremer]

The way the Tachikomas can go into cyberspace now reminds me conceptually of Motoko's pig-looking servant dudes in the manga GITS2:MMI. Yay for recycling good ideas, and the tachis are way cuter.