C&C - Fullmetal Alchemist - "Death" [3/11]

[Tienshin]

One more to go.

[Riza Hawkeye]

Death...if that isn't a foreboding title, I don't know what it.

[Artimus Gigan]

I bet someone dies in this episode

[Timmay]

I bet someone dies in this episode
O rly?

[Scorpio_G]

No Wai!?!:eek::confused:

Few more minutes left! :D

[Yash]

Hmm... I could be an ass and ruin it for everyone...

Naw, I'll just let you all find out yourselves.

[Malex]

I'll be an ass!

IT'S...





GOTCHA!!! You thought I was gonna spoil it, didn't ya?

[B.K.]

I can't believe we're already up to episode 50.

[NickWhiz1]

If anyone dares spoil the ending to this episode, they should be lynched.

...No, seriously.

[Gatomon41]

No, they must be Orbitally Bombarded by X-Ray Lasers, hit by a fairly massive asteroid, and then the area that person was standing on salted so nothing would grow there anymore :p

[Gatomon41]

Did Germany actualy have bombs like those for their Drigables?

Love the use of Beethoven here.

Hard Sciences > Psuedosciences :)

[The Myst]

Hohenheim said almost the exact same explanation about the two worlds that I said last thread but I was told I was wrong.:confused:

[The Myst]

Terminarcher is a dumb idea.

[Gatomon41]

Archer of Borg is going terminator here.

Ah, that's who that other guy from Zatch Bell reminded me of, Archer!

Whoa, shock! Our wars feel their Alchemy. The horror!

[havokpryde]

Did Germany actualy have bombs like those for their Drigables?

Love the use of Beethoven here.

Hard Sciences > Psuedosciences :)
I think it was the the Other World is not quite our world but a more advanced version of it.

[Djm912]

Archinator is sick.

Gluttony without a mind is sicker.

Dante is....freaking sick as all heck.

[Dub]

Poor Gluttony....

[Djm912]

Geez. Why won't Ed JUST FREAKING GET IT?!?!?!?

[Jedah Dohma]

Man, poor Gluttony. He's just a mindless beast now.

If Archinator had said, "I'll be back" then he'd really be channeling the Terminator.

[SemiJuggalo]

You know something's gotta be bad when Gluttony doesn't want to eat anything!

I saw the Japanese version of this ep and that still freaks me out!

[Gatomon41]

Considering that Ed was just hit by a Zephlin, I'm surprised he survived as well as he did.

[B.K.]

It must suck having a Zeppelin fall on you.

[djthomp]

And we have some death! Or at least a lot of pain...

Ok, yeah, death.

[FlyByNite77]

I think it was the the Other World is not quite our world but a more advanced version of it.

Actually at the start of WWI the Germans were the first to do 'bombing raids' and had kinda improvised bombs, but by around 1915/1916 I think they did have bombs that looked like our traditional idea of bombs.

and the events of this episode do agree with the September 2, 1916 raid.

On September 2, 1916, Strasser sent out 12 ships to raid England. Joined by four Army airships the raid was the largest ever. That night Army airship SL 11 was shot down in flames over London by a young pilot named Leefe Robinson flying a biplane armed with explosive and incendiary bullets. The ship took many minutes to fall from the sky and burned so brightly that she could be seen from 100 miles away. SL 11 was the first ship every to be shot down by an enemy airplane, but she was only the first of many.

So they just showed that one blimp shot down.

[Strollymonster]

Well, it's been settled. The Gate is the divider between our two worlds, and the world of FMA is a parallel one to ours, using the Gate as a means to draw the souls of the dead from this world as energy for transmutation in theirs.

The one thing I'd like to know is at what point did the worlds diverge and why they did...my guess is at the point the Philosopher's Stone was actually created.

This means that it is indeed 1916 in the world of FMA as well.

CHURCHILL? Now I'm really impressed, this thing is really piling on the history.

Nice to see Mustang and Co. again, but I'm still curious about Selim's origins...and there can be little doubt that the safe contain's the Fuhrer's weakness...

[Djm912]

I almost want FMA to have an unhappy ending. Just so Ed's righteous cause is put in its place finally.

[Jedah Dohma]

Ed was freaking lucky to have survived that!

Now, some development taking place with the Fuhrer.

All of the history background is making this future historian satisified.

Now, Bradley shows us some stuff. Nice.

[Djm912]

Finally. Mustang and the Fuhrer.

Let's get ready to rumble!

And god, I love anime dialogues before huge climactic fights.

[Gatomon41]

King Bradley vs. Mustang

The Fight Begins...with Talk? :shrug:

[peacebyanymeans]

Actually, that world's Ed just died. A bunch of junk of stuff just fell on him and killed him. But thats not the death the episode title is talking about... ;):p

Also, Wrath is about the get majorly pwned.

[Djm912]

I love Dante for her attempt at shattering Ed's world and finally getting rid of Wrath, but everything else is just....:sad:

[Gatomon41]

His arm...The Gate...WTD? It's ED!

[B.K.]

Sucks to be Wrath right now.

[Scorpio_G]

And they will be cuddled to death by kitty Ed and puppy Mustang
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f165/scorpio_g/c123a808.png

Then Mustang in alternate uniform will kick your ass

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f165/scorpio_g/76d0e67b.jpg

Then Ed's alternate persona will smitten you.

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f165/scorpio_g/74a322f6.jpg

But then they'll forget what they were fighting for anyway and they'll throw a big party instead.

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f165/scorpio_g/hell_con_wall1fixed.jpg

EDIT: OMG Mustang is fighting the last boss! :eek:
OMG! That kid had his leg/arm ripped off. Ewww!

OOOMMGG!!

[Djm912]

Ed's been watching his Samoa Joe tapes!

[LordTerminal]

Evil Hughes clone!

[Djm912]

"I don't think you could've picked an easier target!"

Ed finally got his shot in on Mustang. I don't like him, but I'll give him that one.

[FlyByNite77]

hahaha I love it when Envy turns into Mustang and Ed smiles "I don't think you could have picked an easier target" :WHAM:

:D

[peacebyanymeans]

Yep, Envy is his half-brother.

and... death in 5...4...3... 2... 1...

[B.K.]

Poor Ed.

[Jedah Dohma]

Ah, hell naw, he just morphed into Hughes.

Whoa...

DAMN!! WTF?!

[Gatomon41]

Why am I not surprise that the kid of alchemists would have died from Mercury posioning?

What anime law is it with everyone having a billion gallons of blood?

[Djm912]

Now we know why Envy hates the brothers so much.

And DAMN....he really hates them.

[Dub]

o___o

ok...he was NOT the one I was expecting to die...And no preview? THIS IS JUST CRUEL.

[One Radical Dude]

AAAAH!!!! :eek:

[LordTerminal]

:sees Ed impaled::


..............................................................................................................................

(Seriously, that's all I can say to describe what I saw.)

[Strollymonster]

Holy...

Ed's...dead? That just can't be.

I just don't think I can buy it. I'm even more shocked that Al was speechless...

I had long guessed that Envy was Hohenheim's son...it wasn't that much of a shock. I didn't know it was Dante's child, though.

Holy crap, Wrath got Ed-ized...losing your arm and leg isn't fun, kiddies.

Poor Gluttony...I was really feeling bad for him, and now he's really a mindless killing machine. I'm glad it's finally been resolved what happened to Marcoh, though, as it was bugging me. Moreso, I'm glad Gluttony finally has a purpose as far as his existence in this series is concerned...he simply felt like a 2D character early on, just obsessed with eating.

I can't help but feel sorry for our version of Ed that died to get FMA Ed back to his reality...

The Fuhrer really does feel like an alternate universe version of Hitler, especially with his "purifying our people" commentary.

So we know the Fuhrer's Homunculi power is the ability to see through alchemy and counter it, kind of like an FMA version of Naruto's Sharingan. Definitely handy, Mustang's got his work more than cut out.

WTF was up with Riza ratting out Mustang? Was she really being a traitor or just offering a diversion?

No preview...it's down to the wire.

Really can't wait.

[Djm912]

No preview of the next episode?

[FlyByNite77]

I was wondering why we were getting a longer ED then normal.

Cuz there's no preview for the final...

[NickWhiz1]

Yep, that was probably the MOST POSITIVELY EVIL WAY to end an episode in the history of foreverness.

Just because it's fun...

O.O

[The Myst]

HOLY ****!!! :eek:

I didn't really care when they revealed Envy's identity but dizzamn, they killed him! **** man!

[Jedah Dohma]

Ed... just DIED?!

.............................

:eek: :eek:

Booker T: Tell me I didn't just see that?!

Well said, Book, and not even an episode preview? The ultimate sin!

[Scorpio_G]

>:( NOOOOO!!!
Hey! where's the prievew for next eppisode?:confused::mad: And why does it seem short!?!?

[Gatomon41]

Still one episode left. Will Ed live? Will Dante Win? Who will win the duel of the fates? Talk about cliffhanger. 4 out of 5.

[Discloner]

Holy Crap! :eek:

[shoujoaifan]

I knew what was gonna happen, and this has probably been done already, but why the hell not:

DAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYUUUUUUUUMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!

[Youko Recca]

Ha, what a dope episode. Alot happened in this.

[Jay]

Un F**king Believeable ed is dead,that pissed me off.

[The Myst]

****ing amazing. I'm still in shock over that last scene. Dizzamn... :eek:

[Majin_Megabyte]

Holy Poop on a stick!!! Oh man the ending of tonights episode have me in tears, and Rose screaming gives me chills down my spine.

[Riza Hawkeye]

This is the next episode preview:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap126.jpg

I'll be back later with screencaps for the full episode.

[XOMiss_Samantha]

inHorah for awesome episodes!
I cant say anything because im to sad this is ending next week.
:( :(

Oh yes..guys, dont drop a lung because Ed is dead...remember..theres a movie all about him

[RskimB]

dear god :eek:

[Jedah Dohma]

Just one episode left and now the anticipation is high for me.

A major cliffhanger at the end with Edward dead... just like that. Despite that, I enjoyed this week's episode. Rose's screams really got to me and what a blood spill. The fights with Ed & Envy and Pride & Mustang were breath-taking considering the developments at hand.

Nice screencap there, Riza. Looking forward to the screencaps.

"Death" gets a 4.9/5 for me. Looking forward to Episode 51.

[AlienOmega]

Let it be record that on this day, March twelfth, in the year twenty o' six, at twelve twenty five in the AM, eastern standard time, on Adult Swim, all hell broke loose.


:D

[SemiJuggalo]

Yeah, seeing Ed's back just explode in a fountain of blood was just...... damn! Now, what will become of Al, Rose, Mustang, and the others? You'll just have to tune in next week!

50 down... 1 more to go.

[FireStarterLE]

so ... Dante says Homunculi arent really human, but then we have Wrath wanting him mother back out of love, Gluttony with sorrow, and Sloth with possibly regret.

I think i like Envy's current form rather than the actual one, Ed should have known by now to never let your guard down against him.

[XOMiss_Samantha]

In the first few minutes of the episode, as Ed is running thru London..anyone notice how much that guy on the 'Wanted Posters' looked like Basque Gran??:p

[Bubblegum Girl]

Damn. :eek:

I can believe that there's no preivew! That was the only downer for me.:yawn:

[Chuquita]

WHOA! O___________________________________O

Does this show know how to master the cliffhanger or what?!

[Humble]

I started hyperventilating twice during the episode even though I had already seen it! Mustang's fight with Pride and Ed's fight with Envy knocked me breathless.

I highly doubt GITS:2nd Gig will top this tonight.

-Humble's looking for a paper bag...

[Malex]

Now that you have it. The penultimate chapter to the FMA series.

Finally, we have the truth about alchemy and the gate. I really was shocked when I first watched this. To think that it takes a life to do a reaction. Just think how many lives were taken from the other side for Scar's big reaction. It's mind-blowing.

Oh and Envy is really a failed attempt of a revived Hohenheim Jr. and Ed is dying. Sadly, there was no episode preview in the original.

[Jedah Dohma]

Finally, we have the truth about alchemy and the gate. I really was shocked when I first watched this. To think that it takes a life to do a reaction. Just think how many lives were taken from the other side for Scar's big reaction. It's mind-blowing.

Yeah, it was a shocker to me when I watched this. I can't imagine the slaughter mass that could have occurred on the other side after what Scar did.

[Solitude1]

My god...that was the best episode ever. SO MANY REVELATIONS! It felt good to be spoiler free baby.

Where alchemy comes from, what happened to Marcoh, Envy's backstory, EVERYTHING! I loved it!....except the end.

That sucked.

10 out of 5 ya'll. I can't believe that next weekend is the last ep...wow. I remember watching the first ep at Otakon 04. Wow. Now I see why many people believe FMA is HANDS DOWN the best anime series ever.

[Hyper Shadow X]

Nice to see some back info on Envy

[TnAdct1]

Then Mustang in alternate uniform will kick your ass

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f165/scorpio_g/76d0e67b.jpg "Col. Mustang is dead sexy... in a miniskirt!" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCekDhv6HuY)

OMG! That kid had his leg/arm ripped off. Ewww! If you think that's bad, I got two words for you (please note the following is not FMA-related): Elfen Lied.

[Spike Mcdougal]

And they will be cuddled to death by kitty Ed and puppy Mustang
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f165/scorpio_g/c123a808.png

Then Mustang in alternate uniform will kick your ass

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f165/scorpio_g/76d0e67b.jpg

Then Ed's alternate persona will smitten you.

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f165/scorpio_g/74a322f6.jpg

But then they'll forget what they were fighting for anyway and they'll throw a big party instead.

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f165/scorpio_g/hell_con_wall1fixed.jpg

EDIT: OMG Mustang is fighting the last boss! :eek:
OMG! That kid had his leg/arm ripped off. Ewww!

OOOMMGG!!

Thank you, now I must go rake my eyes out with a fork.













"You couldnt have picked a better target!!!"

Line of the night for me, cant wait for next week.

[PickHut]

Quite an interesting episode, lots of info. I'm surprised Archer is still wreaking havoc, I figured he would've been taken out in the last episode or two. Too bad I wasn't really shocked about Ed being stabbed through the chest due to some idiot posting the scene on a wiki page (the ENTIRE page, too) a few months back.

I give Death a B+.

[FireStarterLE]

Adult Swim had better be getting all over viz to hurry up and dub a few episodes of Bleach, otherwise they'll loose a large majority of the Saturday fanbase once FMA ends next week.

But i dont even think Bleach will be able to fill what FMA has done here. I dont think any anime they put on here will be able to do that

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Wow, that was a crazy ending. The final episode should be insane. Its going to have to be a crazy finale.

[Scorpio_G]

Ok. Ok. I'm calm now. I got a question and an observation...actually thinking aloud typing but whatever.

I know Ed's dad explained how when they use alchamy on their side of the gate it uses the power of the dead. But I still have some questions.

How come the other side didnt have alchamy too? I know Equivelant Exchange is a debunked theory and we subsitute it with technology and what not but why/how one didnt have the other?

Also, is it just me or did our side got the crappy end of the deal? Ed's world has Alchemy. We see that alchemy can do many things technology cant or in a faster way. Like build buildings, cure people of diseases, and a lot of things. Technology does the same but here's what IMO say we have the crappy deal, they fuel our deaths to fuel their alchemy. (Kind of like how the Matrix use humans as a battery to keep itself alive.)

So if Equivelent Exchange was true then what is being taken out of Ed's world to fuel ours? Obviously not Technology we use Electricity for that and electricity is fuiled by 'natural' sorces like Fire, Steam, and you can say Nuclear power.

It's also interesting to hear Mustang say he doesnt belive in god. I might paraphrase this wrong but I rememember from last Talkback how someone stated that people in Ed's world dont observe religion like we do. Also it's kind of screwed up that all the people who died in our world dont end up in heven or hell but a gate only to be use as fuel for alchemy.

Equivient Exchange sucks.

[Paul_Cousins]

Yeah, it was a shocker to me when I watched this. I can't imagine the slaughter mass that could have occurred on the other side after what Scar did.This episode, though very good, had three major plotholes.

One, how did Ed's father gain so much respect to have a car waiting for him, since he crossovered over worlds only a few days before Ed did, unless there is a major time dilation between worlds, but that won't make sense because both worlds are suppose to run parallel with each other.

Two, this whole, alchemy uses the souls from worlds to work. First this does not factor in documented cases of reincarnation. Second, the whole 'mass and energy can only be changed' in FMA alchemy theory completely ignores the natural energies in the FMA world, like the sun, animals, plants, even water. Though there is at least eletricity for lights and refine oil for automail.

Three, Envy previously stated in earilier in the FMA series that he have forgotten when he really looked like, now he remembers.

[The Myst]

This episode, though very good, had three major plotholes.

One, how did Ed's father gain so much respect to have a car waiting for him, since he crossovered over worlds only a few days before Ed did, unless there is a major time dilation between worlds, but that won't make sense because both worlds are suppose to run parallel with each other.

Two, this whole, alchemy uses the souls from worlds to work. First this does not factor in documented cases of reincarnation. Second, the whole 'mass and energy can only be changed' in FMA alchemy theory completely ignores the natural energies in the FMA world, like the sun, animals, plants, even water. Though there is at least eletricity for lights and refine oil for automail.

Three, Envy previously stated in earilier in the FMA series that he have forgotten when he really looked like, now he remembers.

1. Obviously the Hoenheim of that world was already respected like that.
2. What documented cases of reincarnation? There's theories that people believe or they don't but no real, solid proof.
3. Maybe he was lying? Or maybe he remembered in all this mess with Hoenheim returning.

[AlienOmega]

Three, Envy previously stated in earilier in the FMA series that he have forgotten when he really looked like, now he remembers.
I've been thinking about that and I think it's more like he just wanted to 'forget' that he has any such ties to the man who created him, especiallly since he looks like a younger version of him. And now that it's to his advantage to change into that form he 'remembers'.

Although, he could've just mashed Lyra and Hohenheim's faces together to recreate his old face, I dunno.:shrug:

[Paul_Cousins]

1. Obviously the Hoenheim of that world was already respected like that.
2. What documented cases of reincarnation? There's theories that people believe or they don't but no real, solid proof.
3. Maybe he was lying? Or maybe he remembered in all this mess with Hoenheim returning.1. Hoenheim's entire body came through the gate, not just his soul. He didn't jump into another body like Ed did. That's proven by the ammount of rot on his arm, a body takes time to rot.

2. You need to look into this, reincarnation is a fasinating subject. But there are so many holes in what Hoenheim said in Ep 50, it's like swiss cheese when compared to the rest of the FMA series.

3. That is possible.

[AlienOmega]

I just thought of something, maybe reincarnation in this world is people crossing over from the other world in a simular way that Ed did? I mean, it's probably something like how the homunculie have a few memories of their past selves, like Lust had. From what I hear, people 'know' that they've had past lives because they have memories from the past life. But then again, I'm a bit iffy on that since reincarnation is never mentioned in the show (which is what we're talking about) and probably doesn't exist there, and it probably doesn't exist IRL.

[The Myst]

1. Hoenheim's entire body came through the gate, not just his soul. He didn't jump into another body like Ed did. That's proven by the ammount of rot on his arm, a body takes time to rot.

2. You need to look into this, reincarnation is a fasinating subject. But there are so many holes in what Hoenheim said in Ep 50, it's like swiss cheese when compared to the rest of the FMA series.

1. Maybe he took on somebody else's identity. Wouldn't be the first time. *Looks at Russ Tringham.*

2. As far as I know, reincarnation is not accepted as science fact. It's a belief, like God.

[djthomp]

Three, Envy previously stated in earilier in the FMA series that he have forgotten when he really looked like, now he remembers.
I would imagine he was lying. IIRC, he was talking to Lust and Gluttony when he made that statement, and as we have found out since that scene aired, they weren't nearly as in-the-loop about the real situation as he was/is.

[Kinel Ozoa]

My one and only gripe, which is really more of a question.

I find it hard to beleive that 4 hundred years in the past, in a completly different body, with a different *ahem* lower region containing the reproductive genetic material, that the offspring of Dante and Hoenheim would bear any resembelance at all to the sons he conceived with a different woman in his more recent body. It was said he's jumped his own share of bodies, right?

I know, I'm nitpicking.

[The Myst]

My one and only gripe, which is really more of a question.

I find it hard to beleive that 4 hundred years in the past, in a completly different body, with a different *ahem* lower region containing the reproductive genetic material, that the offspring of Dante and Hoenheim would bear any resembelance at all to the sons he conceived with a different woman in his more recent body. It was said he's jumped his own share of bodies, right?

I know, I'm nitpicking.

He might've just put that together so he'd look similar to Ed, just to **** with his head.

[Lachesis]

This episode, though very good, had three major plotholes.


1. Will be answered.
2. If alchemy came from natural energy sources, then theoretically we could do it too, on this side of the Gate. As for reincarnation... perhaps not *all* souls go to fueling alchemy?
3. Lying, possibly. Or in the heat of the moment he could have remembered it.

There are plenty of plot holes in the ending here, since the story diverges from the manga. Wrath and the Gate add up to a whole bunch of crazy.

Here's another one: if Hoenheim's been switching bodies all this time, why does Envy's original form from 400 years ago resemble how Hoenheim looks now?

[Kinel Ozoa]

He might've just put that together so he'd look similar to Ed, just to **** with his head.

A likly option, also supports Envy's much earlier claim of not remembering his own form.

[AlienOmega]

A likly option, also supports Envy's much earlier claim of not remembering his own form.Okay, those two things together make more sense than anything.

[Lachesis]

My one and only gripe, which is really more of a question.

I find it hard to beleive that 4 hundred years in the past, in a completly different body, with a different *ahem* lower region containing the reproductive genetic material, that the offspring of Dante and Hoenheim would bear any resembelance at all to the sons he conceived with a different woman in his more recent body. It was said he's jumped his own share of bodies, right?

I know, I'm nitpicking.

Note to self: post faster.

But I think I came up with somehting. One possibility is that Hoenheim might have deliberately or subconsciously chosen bodies close to the original as a comfort thing. He might have made a special effort to do it for Trisha, even.

[Riza Hawkeye]

Paul, Envy never really forgot what he looked like, he just didn't want to go around with his father's face.

On with the screencaps:

"We want you! (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap065.jpg)" poster
Ed's hearing voices (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap066.jpg) 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap067.jpg)
Bombs over London (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap068.jpg)
Scene of London from a cliff (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap069.jpg)
The British planes come in (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap070.jpg)
Citizens of London (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap071.jpg)
The planes approach the Zepplins (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap072.jpg)

Ed and Hohenheim 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap073.jpg) 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap074.jpg) 3 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap075.jpg)
Ed being taken (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap076.jpg) into the gate
Through the gate (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap077.jpg)

Armstrong with Mustang's men 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap078.jpg) 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap079.jpg) 3 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap080.jpg)
I'll go (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap081.jpg)
Havoc has a big gun (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap083.jpg)

Fuhrer with his son (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap084.jpg)
The Fuhrer's treasure (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap085.jpg)
"I'll entrust my life with you" (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap086.jpg)
"You can count on me!" (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap087.jpg)

Riza visits the Fuhrer (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap088.jpg)
And so does someone else 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap089.jpg) 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap090.jpg)

Archer 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap091.jpg) 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap092.jpg) 3 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap093.jpg) 4 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap094.jpg)

Back to Ed and Hohenheim 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap095.jpg) 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap096.jpg) 3 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap097.jpg) 4 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap098.jpg) 5 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap099.jpg)

Dante's place 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap100.jpg) 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap101.jpg) 3 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap102.jpg) 4 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap103.jpg)
Gluttony becomes the embodyment of his sin 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap104.jpg) 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap105.jpg) 3 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap106.jpg)

Back to Ed and Hohenheim (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap107.jpg)...again
Hohenheim gets some visitors 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap108.jpg) 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap109.jpg)
Hohenheim leaves Ed 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap110.jpg) 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap111.jpg)
Ed hears a noise in the sky (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap112.jpg)
Hohenheim sees (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap113.jpg) a Zepplin falling
A Zepplin falling (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap114.jpg)
Hohenheim gets out of his car (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap115.jpg)
Ed in the wreakage 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap116.jpg) 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap117.jpg)
CLAP 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap118.jpg) 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap119.jpg)
Ed in the wreakage part2 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap120.jpg) 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap121.jpg)
Half-way point:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap122.jpg

The second half coming soon

[Humble]

Thanks once again for being the bearer of screencaps Riza! The accursed release schedule for the DVDs would have kept me from poring over this episode for some time. :sweat:

-Humble

[David Lucas]

The Plotholes with Envy are, indeed, valid........if they were valid.

FUNI's dub is really good, I've mentioned how impressed I've been throughout the series' run. However, every now and then they change a key word, or add their own version of a sentence that doesn't belong there.

Perfect Example:
[Right after Scar attacks Al on accident the first time he fights Al.]
Scar: Don't get cocky. That alchemy was designed for human flesh....

Original Line:
Scar: That attack was designed for human flesh. / No wonder my body disrupting attack didn't work.

Even though Armstrong mentions that Scar is an alchemist like 10 minutes later, it was still a plot twist that got revealed too early. This happens a lot with the dub, and sometimes it just doesn't make sense.

Envy remembers clearly what he looks like. In the original and in the manga, when Lust asks him "That form, again?" the first time he transforms, he says,
"Well, if I'm gonna look young, I might as well have this adorable form." Or something along those lines.

As for all the London, parallel universe stuff.

All anime-created, not any of it shows up in the comic.

[Happy]

I am not a fan of Season 2 but this episode was totally perfect.

[moldorm]

In the first few minutes of the episode, as Ed is running thru London..anyone notice how much that guy on the 'Wanted Posters' looked like Basque Gran??:p
Picture of real poster:
http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/7961/kitchenerbritons1ns.jpg
(http://posters.barnesandnoble.com/search/product_large.asp?z=y&EAN=9780587077336)

[The Myst]

The Plotholes with Envy are, indeed, valid........if they were valid.

FUNI's dub is really good, I've mentioned how impressed I've been throughout the series' run. However, every now and then they change a key word, or add their own version of a sentence that doesn't belong there.

Perfect Example:
[Right after Scar attacks Al on accident the first time he fights Al.]
Scar: Don't get cocky. That alchemy was designed for human flesh....

Original Line:
Scar: That attack was designed for human flesh. / No wonder my body disrupting attack didn't work.

Even though Armstrong mentions that Scar is an alchemist like 10 minutes later, it was still a plot twist that got revealed too early. This happens a lot with the dub, and sometimes it just doesn't make sense.

Envy remembers clearly what he looks like. In the original and in the manga, when Lust asks him "That form, again?" the first time he transforms, he says,
"Well, if I'm gonna look young, I might as well have this adorable form." Or something along those lines.

As for all the London, parallel universe stuff.

All anime-created, not any of it shows up in the comic.

I fail to see how Scar being an alchemist was a plot twist in any way. It was fairly obvious.

What happens in the manga anyway if all this doesn't?

[email2003]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap094.jpg
Thats one creepy image of Robo-Archer.:ack:


Only thing I'm going to state is, WTF!? Edward Elric is dead!? Then who the crap is gonna save Alphonse and restore his body back!?
Also, what the crap is gonna replace FMA when its over!? No other anime can top this series, not even the crappy Neon Genesis Evangelion.
Oh, the reason theres no preview for the next episode is there is no title for the next episode. Here's something to look at: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=2960&page=25
After this series is over, anyone considering collecting the entire series on DVD!?

[Riza Hawkeye]

Thanks once again for being the bearer of screencaps Riza! The accursed release schedule for the DVDs would have kept me from poring over this episode for some time. :sweat:

-Humble You're welcome

Screencaps Part2:

Riza inside with the Fuhrer 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap123.jpg) 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap124.jpg)
The Fuhrer's son (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap125.jpg)

Roy Mustang vs Fuhrer King Bradley:

The Fuhrer goes down to meet Roy (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap127.jpg) (if anyone's wondering the text on the bottom of the screen is just people that the last episode of FMA is airing October 2)
Roy's transmutation circle 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap128.jpg) 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap129.jpg) 3 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap130.jpg)
Locked in a duel (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap131.jpg) to the death
The Fuhrer's eye (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap132.jpg)
A little talking before the fight begins 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap133.jpg) 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap134.jpg)
Roy (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap135.jpg) vs Bradley (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap136.jpg) (I love those two pictures)
Bradley draws his sword (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap137.jpg)
Roy gets ready too (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap138.jpg)
That's one powerful sword strike 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap139.jpg) 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap141.jpg)
Roy's impressed (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap140.jpg) (maybe a little worried too)
Bradley gets ready for the next round (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap142.jpg)
Bradley get in two shots 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap143.jpg) 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap144.jpg)
Roy still got his other hand 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap145.jpg) 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap146.jpg)
Aftermath of the blast 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap147.jpg) 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap148.jpg)
Bradley ready to go again (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap149.jpg) (things aren't looking too good from Roy)

Dante's place once more:

Envy stops Wrath (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap150.jpg)
Envy and Wrath stand before the gate (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap151.jpg)
(a bit bloody) The gate takes back Ed's limbs 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap152.jpg) 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap153.jpg) 3 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap154.jpg) 4 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap155.jpg) 5 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap156.jpg) 6 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap157.jpg)
"The gate isn't disappearing!" (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap158.jpg)
Envy stares at the gate (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap159.jpg)
Ed makes his way through the gate 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap160.jpg) 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap161.jpg) 3 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap162.jpg) 4 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap163.jpg)

Ed vs Envy:

Evil Hughes 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap165.jpg) 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap166.jpg)
Ed fights with Envy as Hughes 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap167.jpg) 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap168.jpg) 3 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap169.jpg) 4 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap170.jpg)
Ed takes a blow to the stomach (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap171.jpg)
"I wouldn't do that if I were you." (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap172.jpg)
Ed get beaten around by Envy a little 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap173.jpg) 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap174.jpg)
Ed gets a helping hand from Wrath 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap175.jpg) 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap176.jpg)
Ed gets the upper hand on Envy 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap177.jpg) 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap178.jpg)
Envy taunts Ed (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap179.jpg)
Ed is unable to do anything (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap180.jpg) once he see Envy's true face
Envy's true face (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap181.jpg)
A shocked Ed 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap182.jpg) 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap183.jpg)
...Death 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap184.jpg) 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap185.jpg) 3 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap186.jpg) 4 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap187.jpg) (I hate that bastard's smirk here) 5 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap188.jpg) 6 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap189.jpg)
Al (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap190.jpg)
Rose (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap191.jpg)
Ed 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap192.jpg) 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap193.jpg)

The final scenes:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap194.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap195.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap196.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap197.jpg

[PBalfredo]

The thing I like about the whole "Dead people from our world fuel alchemy" is that it totally explains why the Philosopher's Stone is made of sacrificed people. When Ed first went "Oh my God! Philosopher Stones are people!" it seemed like a plot device to make Ed and Al apprehensive about making the stone. Now it actually makes sense. Since the energy release by people passing through death from our side fuels alchemy, the sacrifice from people on their side is like pure canned alchemy, ready for any use.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v315/37935203/FMA/1142141538466.jpg

[Riza Hawkeye]

I've bought every single volume of FMA (DVDs and manga) that's been released in the states, which includes the metal boxes (volumes 1 and 6), and I bought the Region2 Limited Edition movie box. Suffice to say I'm going to buy every volume of FMA.

Oh, and the reason there is no preview is not because there's no title for the final episode, it's because it adds more suspense when there is nothing known about what's to come. I think the ending was meant to kept secret until it actually aired. In Japan, magazines print summaries for episodes for the upcoming month, but in the case of FMA, Aniplex didn't provide a summary for the final episode so as to keep it very secretive.

[email2003]

I've bought every single volume of FMA (DVDs and manga) that's been released in the states, which includes the metal boxes (volumes 1 and 6), and I bought the Region2 Limited Edition movie box. Suffice to say I'm going to buy every volume of FMA.

Oh, and the reason there is no preview is not because there's no title for the final episode, it's because it adds more suspense when there is nothing known about what's to come. I think the ending was meant to kept secret until it actually aired. In Japan, magazines print summaries for episodes for the upcoming month, but in the case of FMA, Aniplex didn't provide a summary for the final episode so as to keep it very secretive.
I guess that sounds right. Sounds something like Japan can come up with. Well it sure is keeping me in total confusion right now.

IS IT NEXT WEEK YET!?

[One Radical Dude]

What happened made me dislike Envy even more. I want to believe that Ed isn't dead, but the images to me show that he is more than likely going to die. If he truly is dead, I can't imagine Al surviving, either. Despite being messed up in the head, I kinda sympathized Wrath in this episode (though I can't forgive him for what he did before). Cannot wait for Ep. 51.

Rating: A

[Scorpio_G]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v315/37935203/FMA/1142141538466.jpg
Lol I'll caption the last pic for fun.

Guy in far back: OMGWTF?!?! NOOOOO!
Guy in yellow shirt: Jeez a gallon of blood just spilled outta him
Guy in front of man in yellow shirt: ....
Guy in front: OH!YEAH!!!
That guy in front is enjoying Al's death a little too much.:sweat:

[/URL]
If you think that's bad, I got two words for you (please note the following is not FMA-related): Elfen Lied.
Naw I've seen something much, much worse
(Not FMA-related): Beserk

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCekDhv6HuY"]"Col. Mustang is dead sexy... in a miniskirt!" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCekDhv6HuY)
Hehe....I wonder if he's talking about the military mini skirts?:sweat:

[One Radical Dude]

Al died? :p Hee-hee.

And I have to agree with the captions.

[Ackar]

Is there any significance to Ed not just reuniting with his lost limbs while they were all together in the gate?

Hoenheim seemed to be able to get/keep himself together in the gate.

[PBalfredo]

I don't know, but I bet his sudden appearence has more to do with his limbs going into the gate than his alter ego's involvment in the zepplin crash.

[Ackar]

Yea, this Ed only assumed his other self died for him to show up back in his world.

But the other ED could be fine and this one might only be a gate clone... :eek:

[Scorpio_G]

Yea, this Ed only assumed his other self died for him to show up back in his world.

But the other ED could be fine and this one might only be a gate clone... :eek:

Ok, you mean that when Alternate World ED 'died' he got sent up to the gate and transfered back into his world while the soul of Our world ED transfered back into his body and AL Ed got a fresh new body.

But there's only two Eds. And the gate rules is that anyone who died in our world will get sucked up into the gate to be used as Alchemy fuel (unless if anyone does the revive back to life trick like Ed/Al.) And even if Ed sucessfully created an copy Ed in the Gate and let it loose in his world he would be stuck in the gate until Envy and the others use the gate again IF they use the gate again if they do complete their goal.

On the other hand. Since equivelent exchange is proven it's not a LAW but a THEORY in ALCHEMY and in both worlds who's to say if there's any rules in the gate itself?

I also wonder what is the story on OW-Al? Does he know that his father is from another world and is deteriorating?

[Sketch]

The first time I saw this episode I just couldn't believe the ending...

It seems the "laws" of alchemy aren't all that true though there is some truth to them. Many instances show someone using alchemy and sacrifices perhaps more than they gain. And there may be some instances in which someone gains more than they've lost. The gate is an interesting thing. Its hard to tell how things work but you'll learn a little bit more about the gate in the movie which I wont spoil for any of you. But it seems it's almost random how things turn out when the gate is involved just from what you've seen so far.

The ending is going to eat you, chew you up and spit you out next week.

And if you feel sorry for Gluttony now... you should see him in the movie.

[Ackar]

But there's only two Eds. And the gate rules is that anyone who died in our world will get sucked up into the gate to be used as Alchemy fuel (unless if anyone does the revive back to life trick like Ed/Al.) And even if Ed sucessfully created an copy Ed in the Gate and let it loose in his world he would be stuck in the gate until Envy and the others use the gate again IF they use the gate again if they do complete their goal.

I meant that the true Ed is still alive in alt-Eds body, and that the gate just used the parts avaliable(physical and memories) to pop out an Ed for this side.

The inside of the gate has already been shown to house a large amount of memories from both worlds.

[CaptainRed]

Whoa, shock! Our wars feel their Alchemy. The horror!

That bit also struck me....

Well, moreso the entire "their world-our world" bit. Something about it just rings... hollow to me.


CHURCHILL? Now I'm really impressed, this thing is really piling on the history.

This is just one of the contributors to that hollow ring.

Too often writers seem compelled to dump major historical characters into situations like these. Apart even from that, Hoenheim had only been there for anywhere from a few days to a few weeks. Even with the "gate knowledge," his importance in the world bothered me. (I know Churchill wasn't a big name in WWI, but the fact that anyone was summononing Hoenheim denotes a high level of value).


Equivient Exchange sucks.

Well... that assumes that Hoenheim is right about everything. :¬)


As for all the London, parallel universe stuff.

All anime-created, not any of it shows up in the comic.

So those mechanics aren't canonized into the manga?

I think I might like that better....


Ha, what a dope episode. Alot happened in this.

Dope?

...

Did you really just say "dope?"

...

Straight Cougar? Is that you?


Now I see why many people believe FMA is HANDS DOWN the best anime series ever.

Those people have obviously never seen FLCL. Or Cowboy Bebop. Or, so far, Eva. And Abenobashi until the end.


Don't get me wrong -- I'm very interested in seeing how this all plays out next week -- I just think a few parts are unravelling a bit.

*honks hugs and whatever else*
Cappy Red

[XOMiss_Samantha]

I dont have as much as Riza does,:sweat: but i do have all the DVDS out so far.:) .

I don't read, so i dont read manga...but if i ever started, by some strange random chance, would reading Fullmetal Alchemist be worth it?

[Youko Recca]

Straight Cougar? Is that you?



No. I--I'm Dean.



No wait, I'm Recca. Hop off.

[Saiko]

I kinda missed parts in the first half of the show blinking in and out from sleep but I saw the second half and wow. I didn't see any of that coming. There's no way Ed's dead just yet and I really hope he doesn't die in the end. Seeing Hughes again was great didn't see that coming either. I love Envy and finally seeing his true face and Ed's reaction that's good tv. I'll have to watch it over and see what I missed because I was kinda confused.

[Sanwich]

My one and only gripe, which is really more of a question.

I find it hard to beleive that 4 hundred years in the past, in a completly different body, with a different *ahem* lower region containing the reproductive genetic material, that the offspring of Dante and Hoenheim would bear any resembelance at all to the sons he conceived with a different woman in his more recent body. It was said he's jumped his own share of bodies, right?

I know, I'm nitpicking.

Woo-hoo! I'm glad someone else thought of that... I was about to post the exact same thing, so I'm glad I read all these posts first.

Anyway, the only (sort of lame) explanation I can give is that maybe Envy really did forget his true face, but he did know he was the son of Dante and Hoenheim so he just sort of 'invented' a plausible countenance. Really, though... I think it was just a sloppy mistake on the writer's part.

The only other thing I was sort of disappointed in was the way Ed was magically hit by a slow-falling zeppelin and then happened to figure out how to get back to his own world in like, a few minutes. That just seemed a little too convenient, but I still love FMA so I'll let it slide.

Either way, the very ending... just had me going WTF. c_c

EDIT: And it turns out someone else basically had my same theory posted anyway. My bad. ;)

[Perfect Cell]

So um how bout Riza? Did she actually betray Roy? Nobody awnsered that question. Inquiring Minds want to know

[Jedah Dohma]

Those are great screen captures, Riza. Good job posting those for us. :anime:

After this series is over, anyone considering collecting the entire series on DVD!?

Yes, count me as another that will end up collecting the entire series. I really need to catch up and buy the mangas, too.


So um how bout Riza? Did she actually betray Roy? Nobody awnsered that question. Inquiring Minds want to know

C'mon, man, this is Riza we're talking about here. No way she will ever turn on Roy.

[Riza Hawkeye]

So um how bout Riza? Did she actually betray Roy? Nobody awnsered that question. Inquiring Minds want to know
You don't serisously think, after everything, Riza would betray Roy, do you? Allow me to quote Riza from earlier in the series;

"I shoot this gun of my own accord. For the sake of the man I must protect. Until the day he accomplishes his goal, I won't hesitate to pull the trigger."

Those are great screen captures, Riza. Good job posting those for us. :anime:

Man, that's just eerie
You're welcome.

[Perfect Cell]

Well ill admit it shocked me, the whole episode was full of shocking moments.

Ive been buying every dvd so ill end up collecting the whole series, its too good not too.

[TnAdct1]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/bscap094.jpg
Thats one creepy image of Robo-Archer.:ack: Must... resist... "Gay Robot" crack.

So um how bout Riza? Did she actually betray Roy? Nobody awnsered that question. Inquiring Minds want to know My theory on this: I think it was part of Roy's plan for Riza to inform the King Bradley and his family about plan. That was done for two reasons:

1. As a way to protect Bradley's family from the impending attack (after all, Roy doesn't want the King's wife and son to take any physical damage during this attack).

2. To prevent Riza from having to face any charges for this incident.

[Perfect Cell]

King Bradleys son kinda looks like Roy btw. I just found that funny.

[Vallen Valiant]

King Bradleys son kinda looks like Roy btw. I just found that funny.
There is still a chance that the child is Roy's.:evil: :o

...It could be from one of his earlier romantic liaisons, many years ago.:D

That's what happens when Roy is too popular with the ladies.
...Just a fun speculation, of course. Ignore me.

[SS4goku]

ok, i know it took me awhile to write about this episode but, how and why did ed die, and i know i missed alot of episodes lately but, nice time to feel sorry for the brothers Rose. Why in the heack did she just stand their and watch everything, was she under someones control, or what?

[Perfect Cell]

There is still a chance that the child is Roy's.:evil: :o

...It could be from one of his earlier romantic liaisons, many years ago.:D

That's what happens when Roy is too popular with the ladies.
...Just a fun speculation, of course. Ignore me.

Thats what i thought too, unless homonuculi can reproduce.

[Kinel Ozoa]

After this series is over, anyone considering collecting the entire series on DVD!?


I heard on some episodes of the DVD's there were commentaries and such, if that's true I'll deffinatly be picking this series up. Haven't been able to find a site that gives the extra's specs for the DVD's though. Can anyone confirm? I'm a sucker for commentaries and such. :D

[Wolfie~Giri]

Ha! Ed's death! Revenge for Hughes!!

Ah sorry. I do feel bad for Ed; but I just had to let that out. Even if it hardly made sense.

Sorry Ed fans..

[NahMan85]

Ha! Ed's death! Revenge for Hughes!!

Ah sorry. I do feel bad for Ed; but I just had to let that out. Even if it hardly made sense.

Sorry Ed fans..
The Ed fans are going to find you and irraticate you off the face of this planet, gouge your eyes inside out and break every one of your fingers one by one. But that's the least they can do. Just playing of course. Please don't take this seriously. :p

[Space Chief]

Thats what i thought too, unless homonuculi can reproduce.

How come nobody's brought up the topic of homunculus adoption?
And, for the matter, the fact that Ed seemed to be in Al's body and there was no AU Ed to be found.


Anyway...
...
...
wow.

I knew Ed's death was coming (Damn YTMNDS), but still...

PsychoGluttony will haunt my dreams for the rest of the week.

Killed by a zeppelin... not good.

We finally learn Marcoh is dead. NOW SHUT UP ABOUT IT.

Ed's dead, Al and Mustang are pretty much doomed, and the homunculus look like they're about to triumph. But that would make for a pretty sucky ending, wouldn't it? I guess that now there's one question left:

WHO
WILL
WINS?

[PBalfredo]

I have to admit, I was completely on pins and needles this whole episode. We have three seperate fights happening at the same time and several characters who could quite possibly bite it in this episode. Ed, because the series is near the end. Roy, because his meeting with Ed in "Goodbye" seemed like the final conversation they would ever have. Izumi, because she's so sick she's not long for this world as it is. Lt. Ross, because she's a minor character who gets no love. And with an episode name like "Death" you know someone is going down.

Turns out it's Ed. But none of the other characters are in the clear either. Eek!

[One Radical Dude]

If the homunculi win, Ed and Al's efforts would have been wasted, and so far, it appears that Ed's efforts have been unsuccessful. Why can't today be the airing of episode 51? :p

[Tenku]

Man, this episode was just awesome. Kept me guessing who was gonna die; I actually thought it was going to be Mustang because, well, he's going up against Bradley. He's got a rapier and like he said, "How can you use fire alchemy when the air is always in flux?" Nice thinking.

I thought Izumi was gonna die too. Face it, who would thought she'd survive this long without organs? And with Terminatah Archer running loose...

Al, because he's the Philosopher's Stone and being so damn near being transmutations.

I was wholeheartedly creeped out by Gluttony's loss of self. He's offically a monster now.

I didn't expect Envy to reveal his true form...looks like Hohenheim.

But I didn't expect Ed to bite it though. I was like "WTF NOOOOOOOOOOOO"
That last scene didn't help either. Light faded from his eyes. That's a pretty sure sign he's dead. :(

I thought the main protagonist(s) in anime don't die! *thinks of Bebop and other examples* CRAP! We need divine intervention!

#18 - Law of Hemoglobin Capacity
The human body contains over 12 gallons of blood, sometimes more, under high pressure.

Funny, seemed like there was a lot more than that.

Those pics scarred my eyesight for I dunno, the whole week.

[silvanoir]

Ed died twice. In the same day! HARSH! :eek:

No wonder Envy hides his (and finally a confirmation that he is a he) true face, kinda weird looking to me.

I'm also wondering how Bradley ended up with a son, can't possibly be his, hommonculous dont seem the type of creature to be able to create life in any way.

Man... if Ed is dead, who's going to defeat Dante and the other hummonculous, adnd save Al and Rose? :crying: or is it all going to hell ?

[XOMiss_Samantha]

. Haven't been able to find a site that gives the extra's specs for the DVD's though. Can anyone confirm? I'm a sucker for commentaries and such. :D

2 of the DVDS out so far have commentaries and they ROCK!!
Number 7 has the best one with the VA'S of Hughes, Havoc (whos in them all) and Roy. It's really funny as well.
The commentaries are one of the best parts of the whole DVD.

[shadowstrain]

I know this is picky, but where did Envy get his impaling device from? So far he's only replicated human bodies, not inanimate objects.

[XOMiss_Samantha]

I know this is picky, but where did Envy get his impaling device from? So far he's only replicated human bodies, not inanimate objects.

That was actually his hand going through Ed's body.

[Strollymonster]

I know this is picky, but where did Envy get his impaling device from? So far he's only replicated human bodies, not inanimate objects.

He used Hughes' throwing knives...I think it's a given that he can make parts of his body quite sharp...he's not limited to just changing his body's form, he also creates clothing and such.

[peacebyanymeans]

In the manga, Selim is the Fuhrer's adopted son. It's never stated in the anime, but one would presume that it's the same case here.

[A.Magik]

I knew! I knew it! I knew it! I knew Envy was going to become Hughes! The only good thing I felt about that sequence was that Ed wasn't fooled.

I hope more than ever Envy gets a powerful end. Anyone hoping the ghost of Hughes might help in?

There is some irony to 'Hughes'' words about Ed being responsible for the real one not being with his wife and precious child. For one thing, if it weren't for Ed saving him on the train, Hughes would have probably left the world before seeing his precious child enter it. Another thing, Elysia's delivery might have gone wrong without Ed's assistance.

Still, I hope Envy's act isn't the final word on Hughes from this series.

A.Magik

[The Koopinator]

I dunno, the ending surprised the crap out of me and such, but the final moments weren't too good because they were pretty much just like NGE episode 18 (Which I had watched earlier the very same day as this for the hell of it :shrug:). It made the impact much less severe.

Oh, and also because I don't like anime Ed that much anyway.

[Malex]

ok, i know it took me awhile to write about this episode but, how and why did ed die, and i know i missed alot of episodes lately but, nice time to feel sorry for the brothers Rose. Why in the heack did she just stand their and watch everything, was she under someones control, or what?

Mr. Elric was killed by Envy in the Opera with a pointy spike. [/Clue]

Rose was under some kind of hypnosis. Darkened Irises == Hypnosis

[shadowstrain]

He used Hughes' throwing knives...I think it's a given that he can make parts of his body quite sharp...he's not limited to just changing his body's form, he also creates clothing and such.
Perhaps he was just copying Lust's body. Ya neva know...

[KaidoYuji8Adam]

:confused: I was wondering, why does everyone seem to hate Ed so much?
I feel he has justified his actions ove rthe past episodes, and he STILL is a kid.

[Sanwich]

Too often writers seem compelled to dump major historical characters into situations like these. Apart even from that, Hoenheim had only been there for anywhere from a few days to a few weeks. Even with the "gate knowledge," his importance in the world bothered me. (I know Churchill wasn't a big name in WWI, but the fact that anyone was summononing Hoenheim denotes a high level of value).

Well, if anything else, the mention of that name works to further cement the fact that this is indeed 'our' world being portrayed, with 'our' historical figures... just in case the audience still had any doubts. I'm sure a lot of people aren't too thrilled with the idea of trying to relate FMA to our reality, but I think it's sort of neat.

And, on a totally random note... you know Ed has to be okay somehow. I hope. The question then is, how? The main options are: that wasn't the real Ed to begin with (I have no clue how that would work), Ed is somehow going to be fixed by the philosopher's stone, or he somehow manages to like... come back to life Neo-style. The latter I wouldn't count on, but who knows. ;)

[Perfect Cell]

Him coming back ala Neo makes more sense to me than that not being the Ed...

[Scorpio_G]

I meant that the true Ed is still alive in alt-Eds body, and that the gate just used the parts avaliable(physical and memories) to pop out an Ed for this side.

I just thought of something. What if Ed didnt 'quatum leaped' into his alter ego's body but the alter ego of his brother? If Ed joined into the military at a young age then Alter Ego Al would be in the army too fighting somewhere far away. Yes, original Al lossed the use of his body at a young age but maybe everything comes into full circle. Think if destiny/fate in Greek Mythology was actually true in both worlds; it may not happen then or now but it's going to happen later.

Therefore if everything is parallel to their world Al would sufer a physical loss, a spinal cord injury making Al live in a shell of a body like his alter ego who lives in a shell, a metal empty sute of armor.

Oh Shi I forgot something.
Him coming back ala Neo makes more sense to me than that not being the Ed...

You guys remember that eppisode when Al was stuck in that transmutation circle emetting blue light and giving him lots of power. The one where everyone freaked out b/c someone said " If he doesnt get out of that circle he'll have the powers of a god." (paraphrased) What if Al has some of that power left in him to do what Perfect Cell said?

[Perfect Cell]

My guess is Rose saves him somehow. Shes been in far too many episodes not to have something left in the last one... thats just my guess.

[SS4goku]

:confused: I was wondering, why does everyone seem to hate Ed so much?
I feel he has justified his actions ove rthe past episodes, and he STILL is a kid.

I know, me personaly I like ed he's a cool guy and a good brother. He is always trying to keep al safe and he's always trying to do what is right. But for those homakulus, I hate them for killing my favorite character Hughes and trying to kill the elircs brothers.


P.S. Please forgive me if i spelled homakulus wrong, i dont know how to spell it.

[Funkatron]

I'm surprised no one ist talking about Ed's Arm(and possibly his leg)

Is it just me or does it look like his REAL Limbs got fused to his automail....freaky

[Strollymonster]

I'm surprised no one ist talking about Ed's Arm(and possibly his leg)

Is it just me or does it look like his REAL Limbs got fused to his automail....freaky

No, it's his crappy pseudo-automail that he had to jury-rig by transmuting a few guns to replace the parts on this arm that were damaged when he fought against Sloth and Wrath.

[Riza Hawkeye]

I'm surprised no one ist talking about Ed's Arm(and possibly his leg)

Is it just me or does it look like his REAL Limbs got fused to his automail....freaky
Actually that's how Ed's hand has been since episode 47. Wrath tore off Ed's auto-mail hand in 46 and Ed created that hand for himself in 47 from the parts from a gun.

EDIT: Dang, it seems I was beaten by a few seconds.

[Maenos]

You guys remember that eppisode when Al was stuck in that transmutation circle emetting blue light and giving him lots of power. The one where everyone freaked out b/c someone said " If he doesnt get out of that circle he'll have the powers of a god." (paraphrased) What if Al has some of that power left in him to do what Perfect Cell said?

Actually, that was Ed, heh.

[G1Ravage]

Only eight pages? Hmm.

Well, thanks to some asshat on Toon Zone, I've known about Ed's apparent demise for quite some time now. A number of months, in fact. But I didn't know how it was going to happen, or why.

Considering the events leading up to this episode, and Ed's change in demeanor, I assumed that Ed was going to die sacrificing himself in some sort of alchemic attempt to restore Al to his original form, or die taking out some homunculi, or saving people. But to be brutally murdered by Envy all of a sudden...that's just shocking. I mean...the two of them have been fighting for quite a while now. And all of a sudden...Envy wins.

BTW: On the topic of Envy telling Lust that he doesn't remember what his original form looks like, I'm fairly certain he was being sarcastic, or perhaps a little aprehensive about ever admitting that he's really the son of Hoenheim, and that he actually looks like him, too.

[Freedom Fighter]

Revelation here, revelation there, another revelation over yonder... yep, plays out just like a second-to-last episode should.

When it was stated 'creating a Philosopher's Stone involves sacrificing people,' never in my wildest dreams did I think it involved people from a different, parallel universe! That was crazy!

When Hohenheim told Ed that he could find a way back through the gate, never did I dream it would involve unintentionally getting killed thanks to being buried under the debris of a crashed Zeppelin.

No one could've foretold me of Gluttony losing his will to be a... well, glutton. Or of Wrath getting his limbs torn asunder in the way Ed was way back when... and ironically, the same exact limbs Wrath got from Ed. Or of it being revealed Envy is Hohenheim and Dante's son, no matter how sick and unplausible that may sound.

And definitely no one could tell me FMA Ep 50 would end the same way GitS: SAC Ep 25 did... the lead character slain after we thought he/she was in the clear. Only Motoko and GitS: SAC has a feasible way out. I couldn't tell you how we get around Ed surviving a gash that large.

Unless there's something here I'm not seeing...

8 out of 10 for "Death." One sad (or happy?) episode left.

[CaptainRed]

So um how bout Riza? Did she actually betray Roy? Nobody awnsered that question. Inquiring Minds want to know

My understanding is that it was Mustang's plan to confront the Fuhrer one-on-one, and that Riza's revealing his presence at that point was meant to facilitate that.


King Bradleys son kinda looks like Roy btw. I just found that funny.

Yeah... there isn't actually an ending in next week's episode. The series was just canceled at its end due to lack of character designs. ;¬)


Ed died twice. In the same day! HARSH! :eek:/QUOTE]

Well, at least we now know he isn't the valiant.


[QUOTE=Malex]Mr. Elric was killed by Envy in the Opera with a pointy spike. [/Clue]

You sunk my forumship! (nice one :¬)


P.S. Please forgive me if i spelled homakulus wrong, i dont know how to spell it.

We'll let it slide... THIS TIME. But don't let it happen again. We loook down on typos and miscpelings here. ("Homunculus" is the proper spelling, by the way :¬)


Well, if anything else, the mention of that name works to further cement the fact that this is indeed 'our' world being portrayed, with 'our' historical figures... just in case the audience still had any doubts. I'm sure a lot of people aren't too thrilled with the idea of trying to relate FMA to our reality, but I think it's sort of neat.

Yes, it does further cement that. My problem with the device is the heavy-handedness of it. With the zepplins, and the posters and various more minor references in the episode, though, was such a glaring further reference really necessary?

And, on a totally random note... you know Ed has to be okay somehow. I hope. The question then is, how? The main options are: that wasn't the real Ed to begin with (I have no clue how that would work), Ed is somehow going to be fixed by the philosopher's stone, or he somehow manages to like... come back to life Neo-style. The latter I wouldn't count on, but who knows. ;)

He could've survived that. Any good black knight knows such a hurt is but a flesh wound.

... and there's been too much thrown around in, out, around and about by the series in the past few episodes for me to put forward any kind of guess at this point. Though that "Ed absorbing random liquids and energies in Lab 5" reference that someone made(sorry... forgot who mentioned it, and too lazy right now to look it up again) sounds like it might play into whatever it is. Heck, it would be nice to know it was used for something.


And on a random note of my own: If I'm not mistaken, the series has given histories to four of the homunculi, vis-à-vis the people they were created from:

Sloth came from Ed and Al's mom,
Envy came from Hoenheim and Dante's son,
Lust came from Scar's brother's fiancé, and
Wrath came from Izumi's son.

The three we don't know about are:

Pride, about whom all we know is that Dante created him,
Greed, who was also created by Dante, and
Gluttony, of whom we know... well, basically nothing.

Seeing as Greed has been dead for a good many episodes, I doubt we'll find out about him, and as Gluttony is out to lunch at the moment, I hold little hope for finding out about him either. Pride, though... maybe.

*honks hugs and whatever else*
Cappy Red

[Jay]

That wasnt the final episode right,after reading some post some people say its the final one say that isnt so?

[Maenos]

That wasnt the final episode right,after reading some post some people say its the final one say that isnt so?

There's one more episode.

[Malex]

We have one more episode to go and a movie.

[Beefy]

So why does Dante need Gluttony to bite Al in order for the Philosopher's Stone to do its thing?
Tucker used the stone by himself, and Dante should be a more skilled alchemist than him, so why can't she just use the stone herself?

[Strollymonster]

So why does Dante need Gluttony to bite Al in order for the Philosopher's Stone to do its thing?
Tucker used the stone by himself, and Dante should be a more skilled alchemist than him, so why can't she just use the stone herself?

I think she needs to condense and solidify the stone in actual "stone" form instead of a suit of armor that has a lot of empty space...it's rather unwieldly. I think she plans to use Gluttony as a "condenser" of sorts.

[Vallen Valiant]

So why does Dante need Gluttony to bite Al in order for the Philosopher's Stone to do its thing?
Tucker used the stone by himself, and Dante should be a more skilled alchemist than him, so why can't she just use the stone herself?

It's easier to use a stone that doesn't have arms and legs, and want to run away from you.

[Beefy]

It's easier to use a stone that doesn't have arms and legs, and want to run away from you. True, but wouldn't it be easier to just order Envy to break off Al's arms and legs? I'm sure Envy would be happy to do it, and he might be more reliable than the distraught Gluttony.

[Malex]

It would be easier to break off the limbs but that would be a waste of the stone.

[Sketch]

Next Saturday catch a brand new episode of DEAD ED on Jetix...er I mean Adult Swim.

[CartoonOverlord]

Next Saturday catch a brand new episode of DEAD ED on Jetix...er I mean Adult Swim.
Ed:Come on gang we got to stop that evil Mr. Dante before he steals of all the Elric Delivery Service's deliveries!
Mr. Dante: Curse you Ed and your funky fresh moves!
Scar: (Talking to hand puppet): Let's kick some Mr. Dante butt, Dr. Marcoh!
Al: Wow I'm human again, and black?
Roy Skool: Whoa dogs, you better hurry or else Mr. Dante will get the Philosopher Stone!
Winry: Oh no it's Homunculus Deliveries!
Pride: Hand over your packages or die!
Schiezka: Why I'm so short and why are the Homunculi delivery people?
Omni Armstrong:Because it's funny that way!

[Fafhrd]

Picture of real poster:
http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/7961/kitchenerbritons1ns.jpg
(http://posters.barnesandnoble.com/search/product_large.asp?z=y&EAN=9780587077336)He's Lord Kitchener. This was the original British poster from which the famous James Montgomery Flagg "Uncle Sam Wants You!" poster was taken.

[adoptedBatpuppy]

I like the classical music playing in the background when there is war going on in our world. I wonder if it's the I or the II World War?

Okay, so just because Ed's body is still in the gate he can die in our world but come back to another side of the gate and still be alive. Why was Ed so shocked by Envy transforming into his half-brother?!

The moments with Fuherer and Archer were freaky and scary at the same time. Especially, the blood on Archer's face after the soldier hit him with the hand grenade. :eek:

Looks like Fuhrer's kid and his wife are scared of him too.
We finally know all we need to know about Envy!
Is Ed really dead?, :crying: maybe there is some form of him, floating around somewhere? He does comes back for the movie, which is taking place in our world Germany from the description of the movie I read.
Then does that mean homonculi are people from our world, randomly picked whenever human transmutation is attempted and are thrown into the gate, or just their feelings combined with the bodies/souls of the people being transmuted from the alchemy world!? :shrug:
Are they really scary little black monsters, that pick up bodies from different transmutations and create individuals or become homonculi that are pure evil and have bad traits and release themselves into the alchemy world of course!
:eek:
So for Al to get his body back, he has to go into the gate, and never come back into the alchemy world again!? :yawn: Why doesn't Dante do that?
It was kind of an emotional conversation Ed had with his father.
Looks like his dad will die very slowly in our world.

With Bradley so eraged it looks very bad for Mustang!
Did Riza switched sides? or is it some part of a plan she and Mustang came up with?
How was Ed able to get inside the gate when in our world he was near death? :confused: Does it mean he died twice?
So if Envy has been alive he would have been Ed's half-brother?
We still don't know much baout Bradley and roughphly nothing about Gluttony!
Looks like the gate took back Wrath's arm and leg. That means he will propably die slowly and painfuly.
That was freaky! :eek: I got to say Ed's death was not expected! :sad: :( :crying: :eek:
By the way looks like Rose has snapped out of her trance!
I can't wait until the GRAND FMA Finale! I hope it's not a clifhanger! I also hope the movie picks up right were the series leaves off!
Just one episode left! I'm open for anything to happen! :anime:

[Fafhrd]

So for Al to get his body back, he has to go into the gate, and never come back into the alchemy world again!? :yawn: Why doesn't Dante do that?As a guess: If Dante came to our world, she would be unable to use alchemy to change bodies, meaning that she would no longer be essentially immortal (although her "immortality" is getting weaker each time she switches bodies, it appears).

[peacebyanymeans]

Also, Dante has no clue what's on the other side of the gate.

[Strollymonster]

Also, Dante has no clue what's on the other side of the gate.

Actually, I'm fairly certain that she does. When she first saw Hohenheim again, she mentioned discovering it, as I recall.

[CaptainRed]

I like the classical music playing in the background when there is war going on in our world. I wonder if it's the I or the II World War?

If memory serves, they were playing part of Beethoven's 5th symphony for the alt-world war scenes.

1916 would be the first world war. (WWI: 1914-1918 (US entered and Russia exited in 1917), WWII: 1939-1945 (US entered in December of 1941. Japan's invasion of China had begun in 1937) Also, Zepplins weren't used in WWII (though blimps were employed for submarine warfare).

*honken*

[purplehairedwonder]

My first thought after my mind came back to me at the end of the episode was that Ed isn't dead yet. Dying, but not dead, so there is probably a chance for Al to do something. After all, there is still one final episode and a movie. But the shot of Envy impaling Ed and him falling to the floor lifelessly really hit me hard. I literally cried out when it happened. I was expecting the death from the episode title to be Mustang or the like. Though Mustang does have an uphill battle in front of him if he hopes to survive. Envy's use of musical faces was particularly effective this time, especially - for me anyway - when he took on Hughes' face, though I was glad to see Ed didn't pause at that. His comment at Envy taking Mustang's face was great as well. But after the end, well, I was in shock for a good while.

[Ein]

Someone mentioned earlier in the thread that they, "weren't sure how Hohenhiem gained such rank since coming to "our" side of the gate". Well, if you remember correctly Ed says something to the effect of, "This is terrible" then Hohenhiem says (again, something to the effect of) "This is nothing, the worst is yet to come". Then the Atomic bomb clip is shown.

Since the Bomb wasn't dropped until the end of WWII this makes me think that he has a way of dropping into our world whenever he wants. Either he can physically "go" there or he can access the gates ablity to "see all".


As a sidenote: Since he has links to Churchill this does make me think he has real ties to "our" world. (By the way, I am aware that Churchill wasn't the PM yet, although I believe he was the First Lord of the Admiralty at that point at that is pretty good).

[Rurouni Kenshin]

I'm sorry but if either one of the Ulric brothers die I'm never going to forgive the writers. These boys have gone through a living hell to get to the point that they are now. They have lost love ones, had to kill something that looked exactly like their very own mother whom they had given everything to bring back from the dead. Having either of them die would just be a huge slap in the face to the fans of this series.

[Patches]

Since the Bomb wasn't dropped until the end of WWII this makes me think that he has a way of dropping into our world whenever he wants. Either he can physically "go" there or he can access the gates ablity to "see all".
I was kinda wondering about that, too, considering in this episode, it's 1916 in our world, but in the final episode, it's 1921, and there's no way five years passed between the two episodes :P

[Paul_Cousins]

I was kinda wondering about that, too, considering in this episode, it's 1916 in our world, but in the final episode, it's 1921, and there's no way five years passed between the two episodes :PI noticed the time dilation between worlds also when dealing with when Ed's father came to London 1916 and when Ed did, http://forums.toonzone.net/showpost.php?p=2096833&postcount=82

It's throws the worlds run parallel with each other theory for FMA into question.

[Vallen Valiant]

I noticed the time dilation between worlds also when dealing with when Ed's father came to London 1916 and when Ed did, http://forums.toonzone.net/showpost.php?p=2096833&postcount=82

It's throws the worlds run parallel with each other theory for FMA into question.

Actually, it's almost CERTAIN Daddy Elric took over the body of his alternate self as soon as he crossed over, inheriting all the previous person's contacts and political influence. Otherwise there won't have been an Edward Elric to follow him around.

Unless you think the "Edward" Ed took over while crossing over was a random person?

[Maenos]

Actually, it's almost CERTAIN Daddy Elric took over the body of his alternate self as soon as he crossed over, inheriting all the previous person's contacts and political influence. Otherwise there won't have been an Edward Elric to follow him around.

Hohenheim's body in our world is rotting just like it did in Amestris.

It's the body he had over there. He even told Ed that his body crossed over. That's why he can no longer return. Ed can (and did) return because his body hadn't crossed over. He wasn't fully in our world (Ed had his foot in the gate still, in a way).

It's highly likely that Hohenheim, despite being taken in only a few days ago in Amestris, was spat out quite a while back in London. Enough time to be able to impress people and gain a position. The gate seems to be able to open to any timeline in both worlds, as evidenced by what Ed saw in his first trip (Our world: Ed saw a mushroom cloud, what appears to be 9/11, the olympics. Their world: Clause [sp?] from episode 4, Rose, that girl who stole his leg in...14 or 15, etc. Events from the past, too).

[Vallen Valiant]

Hohenheim's body in our world is rotting just like it did in Amestris.

It's the body he had over there. He even told Ed that his body crossed over. That's why he can no longer return. Ed can (and did) return because his body hadn't crossed over. He wasn't fully in our world (Ed had his foot in the gate still, in a way).
You still haven't answered my comment, that there was an Edward already following him around on the other side. Which means he was still a father to another Ed.

[Maenos]

Pardon the deleted earlier post, it's nearly 4 am and I'm a bit loopy, so my thoughts are scattered, heh :)

It is quite possible that the way things turned out in Amestris (relationship wise) is different from how it is on Earth (I'm tired of saying "Our world").

Edward in Amestris was concieved of Hohenheim directing another man's body in a relationship with Trisha.

On Earth, however, Hohenheim would never have controlled that body (as he would've died quite a while before). Which means that that man likely never met Trisha, and even if he did, it's quite possible she didn't like him or marry him, meaning that the Edward born of Hohenheim and Trisha on Earth never existed.

Which means that the Edward on Earth was likely born of a different relationship, and has no blood tie to Hohenheim (either the actual one or the body he would've possessed had Alchemy continued like in Amestris).

Which would mean that the Ed that Hohenheim (from Amestris) is with is not related to him and was a chance encounter.

[I pray this all makes sense]

[Paul_Cousins]

Actually, it's almost CERTAIN Daddy Elric took over the body of his alternate self as soon as he crossed over, inheriting all the previous person's contacts and political influence. Otherwise there won't have been an Edward Elric to follow him around.

Unless you think the "Edward" Ed took over while crossing over was a random person?Hohenheim stated in the episode that he came to London complete with the rotting body he had in the FMA time/world.

Hohenheim's body in our world is rotting just like it did in Amestris.

It's the body he had over there. He even told Ed that his body crossed over. That's why he can no longer return. Ed can (and did) return because his body hadn't crossed over. He wasn't fully in our world (Ed had his foot in the gate still, in a way).

It's highly likely that Hohenheim, despite being taken in only a few days ago in Amestris, was spat out quite a while back in London. Enough time to be able to impress people and gain a position. The gate seems to be able to open to any timeline in both worlds, as evidenced by what Ed saw in his first trip (Our world: Ed saw a mushroom cloud, what appears to be 9/11, the olympics. Their world: Clause [sp?] from episode 4, Rose, that girl who stole his leg in...14 or 15, etc. Events from the past, too).I have been trying to tell Vallen Valiant that, but he just doesn't want to listen. :rolleyes:

[Timmay]

It's funny how almost every time the gate is used there's a different result.

[Vallen Valiant]

Which means that the Edward on Earth was likely born of a different relationship, and has no blood tie to Hohenheim (either the actual one or the body he would've possessed had Alchemy continued like in Amestris).

Which would mean that the Ed that Hohenheim (from Amestris) is with is not related to him and was a chance encounter.


Where is the fact that Ed of Earth had a chance encounter with Father Elric?

This is a circular argument. You did not prove that the Ed of Earth was NOT Earth Mr Elric's son. Hypothesising that Hohenhim did not previously exist, therefore Earth Ed is not related to him, therefore proving Hohenhim does not previously exist, is NOT an argument.

The Gate does have access to more than one timezone as far as data gathering, but that does not disprove the idea that time ran parallel to those who travel through it.

The fact that Hohenhim still has his FMA body doesn't mean he didn't displace someone else.

[Ackar]

Since the Bomb wasn't dropped until the end of WWII this makes me think that he has a way of dropping into our world whenever he wants. Either he can physically "go" there or he can access the gates ablity to "see all".

That memory of the nuke going off was from the info-dump Ed received from his first time in the gate(and possibly his latest). The flashback from his time in the gate showed events from the 60s~70s as well.

Since Ed and his father both went through the gate, they should both have experienced similiar information.

[Paul_Cousins]

It's funny how almost every time the gate is used there's a different result.That is a very good point. I wonder how many different results dealing the gate have been shown in the FMA animated series.

[k-day42]

That is a very good point. I wonder how many different results dealing the gate have been shown in the FMA animated series.

I R Confused...........:sweat: :confused: :sad:
very, very, confused.......hopefully, all will soon become clear to me........from the movie, if anything else...

[RAINMAN]

Man I thougth EVA was confusing. :( All I know is I hate envy more then ever.

[Aquadementia]

Someday I'll respond to a talkback in a timely fashion.

The Ed-kabob surprised me.

But now I've got a whole new perspective on the alchemy.
When this series first started, equivalent exchange didn't seem so balanced to me.
They had the equal masses, but as far as I know they didn't explain where all the energy came from.
I kind of let it pass because I was more interested in the story, and what anime doesn't have an element of spirit energy? Even Bebop does.
Plus, if even a vary tiny amount of mass were converted into energy, it would be more then enough. And they may just be causing chemical changes that release that much energy.

But now the transformation circles look like necromantic summoning circles for the dead to fuel their transformations.

And when Ed slams his hands together it looks like a prayer.

It gives the whole show a new kind of vibe that really makes it worth watching again.
Of course I was going to anyhow.

[The Myst]

Man I thougth EVA was confusing. :( All I know is I hate envy more then ever.

Personally, I don't find FMA all that confusing. I don't even know what the hell is going on most of the time in EVA. Especially this latest Asuka ep and the stuff with Rei and the clones and everything.