Miguzi Lifespan

[Sage Shinigami]

Okay, so....Cartoon Network's always (except for like, a single year) had an afternoon action block. The first few were short lived, and then there was Toonami, which last several years before finally being put to rest a couple years back. (Yes yes, they have premiers on Saturdays now, but far as I'M concerned? They're just Adult Swim Jr. now.) I never thought it would happen, but it did.

That having been said, if even a great block like Toonami can be put to rest, there's absolutely no question about Miguzi. So does anyone have a guess as to how long it'll be before Miguzi's put to rest and replaced with another AA (afternoon action) block? Does anyone think it will last as long as Toonami, does it just have a year or two more, or is CN just so complacent now that it'll leave Miguzi there for the rest of our days? :D

[Fan of Sponge]

In my opinion, the change could happen within a few years to ten years depending on the ratings and new cartoons. If Miguzi doesn't find a new cartoon that is on the same par as Code: Lyoko, CN could just pull the plug on the block. Miguzi needs fresh new cartoons that you can't really see anywhere else on CN. If CN continues its stupidity record, the block could get overrunned by cartoon cartoons. Unless CN gets a deal with 4Kids and you can just call the block 4Kids Block plus the characters on the bumpers. Not good at all...

With that, Code: Lyoko is on the same level as Sailor Moon was just a few years ago in 1999. Surely, Toonami survived with new cartoons like Yu Yu, Dragonball, and Dragonball Z. However, once a new demographic came up, CN put the block on Saturday. If CN finds a new demographic over the age of seven, the Miguzi would be replaced.

[Ultra Mike]

I don't know. Miguizi does have fairly steady ratings in all the key demographics, and was able to branch out to Saturday and Sundays quicker then Toonami was (and I don't think Toonami ever went to Sunday either). Also I don't see Miguzi's problems of not having as fresh of shows as they should be having a problem in the general scheme of things. Since TV has stuped kids intellegence down so they'll watch the same reruns again and again and again. Miguzi will probably stay fresh enough for awhile to avoid being replaced. And yeah I do see it being replaced, but not for awhile.

[Sketch]

Okay I just gotta say it... What the heck do you mean by Adult Swim Jr.? If anything, Toonami is a repteackaged and shorter SVES right now.

Miguzi seems to be working well and with both boys and girls. However CN considers most things expendable and all they really need is an afternoon action block, it doesn't matter what it is called. Though I don't think they'd toss Miguzi unless they made a drastic change in their target demographic for that time. As long as they go for 6-11 at that time, Miguzi is going to stick around unless it gets stale to the folks at CN but apparently the folks at WS that work on Miguzi liked to work on it and have latched onto it like Toonami before it and that's really how a block sticks around. Miguzi could stand to change it's style a little bit but the name and the general programing strategy will remain the same for quite some time baring any major changes to all of CN. If they started aiming for older viewers than they might as well put Toonami back at it's old time but they aren't going to aim for those older viewers any time soon. And if they do... WooT! (it's about dang time)

[Sage Shinigami]

Okay I just gotta say it... What the heck do you mean by Adult Swim Jr.? If anything, Toonami is a repteackaged and shorter SVES right now.


Eh. AS, up till recently, put all its anime premieres on a single night. Toonami has all its premiers on the same night. Toonami has used the fact that they air later at night to have looser restrictions. AS uses the fact that it airs late at night to have almost no restrictions. You can't see it? Really?


I don't know. Miguizi does have fairly steady ratings in all the key demographics, and was able to branch out to Saturday and Sundays quicker then Toonami was (and I don't think Toonami ever went to Sunday either). Also I don't see Miguzi's problems of not having as fresh of shows as they should be having a problem in the general scheme of things. Since TV has stuped kids intellegence down so they'll watch the same reruns again and again and again.


Couple things.

A.) TV has only ruined kids' intelligence lately with weak cartoons. Air some classics, or make some new ones that DON'T suck, and I think they'll realize how they're being treated.

B.) Miguzi rode the sucess of Toonami. Keep in mind that even though it took Toonami longer, Toonami was the forerunner, doing what no other AA block ever did. Plus not only did it expand to midnight, but it expanded to Saturday mornings, and Saturday evenings. I think the total time we saw it at one point in time beats out Miguzi.

[Lord Mawdryn]

Miguzi seems to be working well and with both boys and girls. However CN considers most things expendable and all they really need is an afternoon action block, it doesn't matter what it is called. Though I don't think they'd toss Miguzi unless they made a drastic change in their target demographic for that time. As long as they go for 6-11 at that time, Miguzi is going to stick around unless it gets stale to the folks at CN but apparently the folks at WS that work on Miguzi liked to work on it and have latched onto it like Toonami before it and that's really how a block sticks around. Miguzi could stand to change it's style a little bit but the name and the general programing strategy will remain the same for quite some time baring any major changes to all of CN. If they started aiming for older viewers than they might as well put Toonami back at it's old time but they aren't going to aim for those older viewers any time soon.

I tend to very much agree on all points. I think if Miguzi goes, its because Cartoon Network might simply want to repackage it as something "new," but the kind of core programming will more or less stay the same.

CN may try to do what 4Kids! does on Saturday mornings--I could see Miguzi splitting off into two distinctly separate blocs--one hour for girls and one hour for boys--but both still aimed at the same 6-11 age demographic...

[anime_guru]

I want to agree with the sentiment that miguzi is doing well, really I do. But no official ratings reports from CN and also with the moving back an hour to openly compete at the 5.5 timeslot against drake and josh...well that show is killing that slot and any other slot it is rotated to. I think that miguzi is starting to find some solid ground, but only due to the end of the kids wb aftertoons show. I think cartoon network needs to solidify that and get some more shows. Granted, I can only assume one piece is bringing in more ratings than usual, and CL (definately will say) has a small fanbase, but is losing it (and it is expected due in part to a sort of overkill). Yugioh GX (I assume) isn't fairing well, which isn't so much of a shock, and yet all these shows are on and somewhat miguzi is beginning to find its niche. CN just needs a lot more property, and I highly suggest talking to the ADV about that

[Duke]

(and I don't think Toonami ever went to Sunday either)
Technically, almost all of the original Midnight Run was on Sunday morning. And they did air some Sailor Moon episodes on one Sunday (I believe the end of R) as a special event, right before the first DBZ20XL.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Eh. AS, up till recently, put all its anime premieres on a single night. Toonami has all its premiers on the same night. Toonami has used the fact that they air later at night to have looser restrictions. AS uses the fact that it airs late at night to have almost no restrictions. You can't see it? Really?
Which is exactly what SVES did as well.

Toonami is much closer to SVES(action premier block on Saturdays) then it is to Adult Swim.

Regardless, its still Toonami, just only one day a week now, but with more shows(8 once a week, as opposed to 4 five days a week).

[Sage Shinigami]

Which is exactly what SVES did as well.

Toonami is much closer to SVES(action premier block on Saturdays) then it is to Adult Swim.


Somehow I don't think RK would have suffered as many edits on SVES as it did on Toonami. Plus I also don't recall it being that big of a premiere block. I know YYH went Toonami exclusive and never went there.

Whatever. I still say its AS Jr. now.

[Duke]

Somehow I don't think RK would have suffered as many edits on SVES as it did on Toonami. Plus I also don't recall it being that big of a premiere block. I know YYH went Toonami exclusive and never went there.
RK would've have suffered as many edits if it had premiered now instead of back when the show was on weekdays.

The only big premieres SVES had were Justice League Season 2, Teen Titans, Zoids Fuzors, and He-Man Season 2. Yu Yu did air about half the first season on the block, though.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

RK would've have suffered as many edits if it had premiered now instead of back when the show was on weekdays.

The only big premieres SVES had were Justice League Season 2, Teen Titans, Zoids Fuzors, and He-Man Season 2. Yu Yu did air about half the first season on the block, though.

Plus Rurouni Kenshin, .hack//SIGN, and Transformers Energon.

[Duke]

Plus Rurouni Kenshin, .hack//SIGN, and Transformers Energon.
I'll give you Kenshin and Energon (also forgot about Samurai Jack), but .hack//SIGN wasn't a big premiere, just something thrown onto the block to fill time, much like everything past 11PM for that block. Did they ever advertise it at all?

[Kagetsu]

I'm wondering if we're looking at the question right. As a cartoon action block, Miguzi, and probably Toonami when it was on in the afternoon (didn't really notice then), has weak boarders. Action shows that sometimes were even on Miguzi, are also show after the block. So afternoon action will most likely always be there. Miguzi bumpers and ads are a market design. When they feel it's no longer new and attention grabbing, they'll design something else and Erin and the monsters may end up doing morning spots.

[Sketch]

Well no big changes annouced at the upfronts (didn't really expect big ones though) so I'd say Miguzi will be around for quite some time yet.

This year they get new Code LYOKO eventually (45 episodes) new Totally Spies supposedly (it start on a Monday... so why not Miguzi? Just thirteen episodes? Look how they run GX premieres...) and possibly TMNT: Fast Forward. But One Piece will loose it's 10PM slot soon enough and it'll surely still be on Miguzi if the ratings hold up. On top of that... Ben 10 is already airing on Miguzi on special occasions and it's reruns a lock for the block for sure. Fantastic Four looks like a good fit on Miguzi as well. Perhaps that HDTD series and lest we forget Team Galaxy with 52 episodes prepared to air it's a natch for Miguzi. I would expect Xiaolin Showdown to migrate there after a run maybe 2 a 6PM and The Batman would fit on Miguzi pretty well. Then there's also Yu-Gi-Oh! and Pokemon which CN has lying around but hasn't gotten around to airing for some reason and both obviously work on Miguzi.

Simply put, there's a lot of content out there for Miguzi to live off of but even with all that CN will probably stick with a small bunch of shows like they have so far. I just hope double GX doesn't last long.

They might even go as far as to air Naruto on Miguzi. Though I think they will be hesitant to air a TV-PG-V program on Miguzi despite what LYOKO has gotten away with. Miguzi is pretty high profile and well... the only after school action/adventure animation block now that Kids WB lost weekdays... So I expect its heavily watched and parents might actually notice what's on at that time. Besides Naruto is a shoe-in for pre-AS prime time and come this June when AS starts at 10PM I'd wager Naruto will be at 9:30 (incidently I also wager it's the only non-CN original 7-10PM if not 6-10PM at that time). Or if not Naruto by then I guess DBZ will stick around. Looks like it's strong enough to boot One Piece still and as long as I get season 4 out of this run I'm happy.

[CookieS]

Miguzi is marketing magic. It has the ability to air action/comedy. That's action with comedic moments, or comedy with a bit of running and jumping. The material for the block is much more than SVES or Toonami could have hoped to fill. The bottom line is that by having this dual genere, Miguzi is able to have a wider selection of shows to chose from.

Considering that Totally Spies, Code Lyoko, TMNT, and a few other series are total hits, I don't see them getting rid of the Gooz anytime soon. Toonami did really well, except for the fact that it skewed to more than half male viewership (and still is). Why is this? Even with some more feminine shows such as CardCaptors and Sailor Moon, the block rested on some of the strongest action shows such as DBZ and Gundam, which have more boys watching.

I don't think they ever intended things to end this way, but let's be honest, they have a far better segration of viewers now than they did before. Miguzi is here to stay for a long time.

[mg_winxclub]

If they'd quit changing the schedule every couple weeks, then there may be steady ratings. Seems Miguzi is the "expermient block" all the time, trying things out like Krypto, KND, Totally Spies, and other shows like that which didn't work. Winx Club did pull in steady ratings in the 5PM slot when it was on there last summer, as did Teen Titans and Code Lyoko. It's possible Winx Club Season 2 could make a debut on Miguzi, but it's only a rumor right now as season 2 has a couple weeks left before it finishes on 4KidsTV.

[Sugah]

According to another article i read on Cartoon Network highlights and updates etc... TS will air 15eps weekdays on Miguzi (starting april 3rd). So that means 3 weeks of 15 new episodes worth (5 new every weekday). It'll keep miguzi lasting for a while, anyone know about CL yet?

[Sketch]

Not that I know of. But I'd peg it for Fall just like Season 2. Though maybe even later since it's 45 episodes not 26.

Miguzi isn't going anywhere. Even when they "lack content" they just double up a popular show. And they hardly lack available content. Any number of shows could and should return and why Pokemon hasn't been on weekday Miguzi yet simply baffles me. But no one show is going to make Miguzi last. It's not really like Toonami which really had DBZ as the major draw. Miguzi's ratings remain good due to the brand and the broader range of material it can show than Toonami could at this point... along with CN's ideal that all the shows should have good and near equal ratings. Anything that slips gets the boot (Megas, Turtles, Static, what have you).

As for Miguzi this year...

Ben 10 for sure. When it gets 26 episodes under it's belt. Until then just special showings.

Team Galaxy is a shoe-in.

More LYOKO hopefully by the end of the year but it could take a while to finish this order.

More GX staggered premieres, and IMO I'd rather they show 26 new episodes then rerun the heck out of them for a while then 26 more. This 13 new episodes every now and then is getting bothersome.

Xiaolin Showdown will probably air in the Summer after a good run in prime time if it's ratings are acceptable.

There is a SLIM chance Zatch Bell or Bo-Bobo will rerun on Miguzi later in the year (Zatch sooner than Bo) but both probably scue too male compared to One Piece.

Naruto has a slightly better chance but due to it's PG rating I think they'll be hesitant to do that when they could just put it in prime time.

The Batman has 26 new to CN episodes coming starting this Summer. They could put The Batman on Miguzi because there's no need to air those premieres once a week at this point. Show the first 13 on Miguzi to hype the premieres starting in June or July. I think it would work well. They might try that with 6PM if Xiaolin Showdown moves to Miguzi though. (and I really think it will, its perfect for the block).

Ninja Turtles Fast Forward is suppose to air on Cartoon Network according to 4kids (but yeah... sometimes they don't have all the facts straight). I would like to believe TMNT would return to Miguzi before those supposedly air in Fall (probably on a once a week basis as not to go beyond 4kidsTV's airings) because I really think it could work if they run it from the begining to the end of season 4 (yes season 4, CN should have that soon if they got Fast Forward, but maybe not). That's 104 episodes total. That's around 4 months without a single repeat. And I'd watch it every day. (now that Miguzi airs 1-3PM for me).

Winx Club Season 2 is certainly an option as mentioned by mg_winxclub.

HDTD and The Fantastic Four series could also run on Miguzi but they'll probably premiere somewhere once a week first.

And with all this content I think a 3-4 expansion is in order. Sometime in the summer. I think it would do better than the usual CC marathons but of course they'd probably still have those.

Here's what I'd say it s pretty realistic schedule for June.

03:00 - Pokemon Advance
03:30 - Xiaolin Showdown
04:00 - Totally Spies / Winx Club Season 2
04:30 - Yu-Gi-Oh! GX
05:00 - Code LYOKO / One Piece (if they give LYOKO a break)
05:30 - The Batman

That should cover all the bases pretty well. And with no school 3-4PM could be used to it's fullest extent. If The Batman doesn't air on Miguzi then both TS and WC could air or one of them and One Piece.

[SS4goku]

personally i think miguzi can go with out YGO GX, beside the point that it's horrible and have very bad storylines.

[Sketch]

I agree but GX isn't leaving Miguzi any time soon. That's where CN and 4kids wants it. So we are just going to have to live with it.

As you all know I love to make predictions so here's my Miguzi predictions for this year. Barring some kind of expansion this seems the most likely.

April

04:00 - One Piece
04:30 - Yu-Gi-Oh! GX
05:00 - Totally Spies (new)
05:30 - Code LYOKO

May

04:00 - One Piece
04:30 - Yu-Gi-Oh! GX (some new)
05:00 - Totally Spies
05:30 - Code LYOKO

June

04:00 - Xiaolin Showdown (new to the Guz)
04:30 - Yu-Gi-Oh! GX
05:00 - Winx Club (new)
05:30 - Totally Spies

July

04:00 - Xiaolin Showdown (new to the Guz)
04:30 - Yu-Gi-Oh! GX (some new)
05:00 - Winx Club
05:30 - Totally Spies

August

04:00 - Xiaolin Showdown
04:30 - Yu-Gi-Oh! GX
05:00 - Winx Club
05:30 - Team Galaxy (new)

September

04:00 - Xiaolin Showdown
04:30 - Yu-Gi-Oh! GX (some new)
05:00 - Winx Club
05:30 - Team Galaxy
Fridays
04:00 - HTDT (new)
04:30 - Ninja Turtles: Fast Forward (new)
05:00 - Ben 10 (premieres here from now on)
05:30 - The Fantastic Four (new)

October

04:00 - Team Galaxy
04:30 - Yu-Gi-Oh! GX
05:00 - Ben 10 (some new to the Guz)
05:30 - Code LYOKO (new)
Fridays
04:00 - HTDT (new)
04:30 - Ninja Turtles: Fast Forward (new)
05:00 - Ben 10 (new)
05:30 - The Fantastic Four (new)

November

04:00 - Team Galaxy
04:30 - Yu-Gi-Oh! GX (some new)
05:00 - Ben 10
05:30 - Code LYOKO (new)
Fridays
04:00 - HTDT (new)
04:30 - Ninja Turtles: Fast Forward (new)
05:00 - Ben 10 (new)
05:30 - The Fantastic Four (new)

December

04:00 - Team Galaxy
04:30 - Yu-Gi-Oh! GX
05:00 - Ben 10
05:30 - Code LYOKO
Fridays
04:00 - MOVIES
05:30 - The Fantastic Four (new)

The only thing I just kinda threw out there was premieres on Friday Miguzi. I think it would work well, it did for Toonami for a time and if Saturday morning doesn't pan out it's a better option than trying to cram them into prime time or Toonami. This way TMNT Fast Forward does air on Miguzi but doesn't get ahead of 4kidsTV. Ben 10 gets a new home, Fantastic Four gets a premiere slot on the block that will probably air it the majority of it's time on CN and HTDT (which hopefully wont suck too bad) also has a home if CN Saturday bites the dust. This is also iffy because One Piece may be running on Miguzi for a very long time and I decided to take it off the block since it's obviously not leaving Toonami and I don't like to have shows airing on both blocks for the most part.

[creativerealms]

You would think that Cartoon network would want to bring back Turtles (to a better spot) at least for the new movie if nothing else.

[Sketch]

Well the only thing that matters to CN about aquisitions is ratings unless the company providing that aquisition bought some worth while ad time (such as what Hasbro does on various venues including CN). If Playmates bought CN add time with the help of 4kids than CN would probably air TMNT at least every weekday at 6:30AM.

4kids seems to be treating Fast Forward as another show though so CN may have decided to just run with it and forget about everything else for the series like they've already seem to have done with YGO. 26 isn't nearly as big of a commitment as 104 is... afterall.

But dang man a show with 104 episodes deserves to be aired at a time people can watch it for no other reason than longevity without repeats.

Even if CN decided to hype for the movie it wouldn't be until 2007... So that doesn't help the current situation by a long shot.

But a Miguzi expansion would be awfully friendly if it would allow TMNT back on the air.

03:00 - Xiaolin Showdown
03:30 - Winx Club / Totally Spies
04:00 - One Piece / Zatch Bell
04:30 - Yu-Gi-Oh! GX
05:00 - Ninja Turtles
05:30 - Code LYOKO

Though since 3-4PM probably would be the shows CN cared about least and 5-6 would be the ones they care about the most I'd wager this is more likely. And I'll take it. As long as I get TMNT at a watchable time.

03:00 - Ninja Turtles
03:30 - Xiaolin Showdown
04:00 - One Piece / Winx Club
04:30 - Totally Spies
05:00 - Yu-Gi-Oh! GX
05:30 - Code LYOKO

[Sketch]

If Ben 10 is suppose to air Monday - Friday in May then it'll probably be on Miguzi by then. So here's some new predictions. I also moved the premiere of Team Galaxy to October because it's suppose to come late Fall (maybe November even).

April

04:00 - One Piece
04:30 - Yu-Gi-Oh! GX
05:00 - Totally Spies (15 new)
05:30 - Code LYOKO

May

04:00 - Xiaolin Showdown (new to the Guz)
04:30 - Yu-Gi-Oh! GX (some new)
05:00 - Totally Spies
05:30 - Ben 10 (some new to the Guz)

June

04:00 - Xiaolin Showdown (new to the Guz)
04:30 - Yu-Gi-Oh! GX
05:00 - The Winx Club (new to the Guz)
05:30 - Ben 10

July

04:00 - Xiaolin Showdown
04:30 - Yu-Gi-Oh! GX (some new)
05:00 - The Winx Club
05:30 - Ben 10

August

04:00 - Xiaolin Showdown
04:30 - Yu-Gi-Oh! GX (some new)
05:00 - Ben 10 (some new)
05:30 - Code LYOKO

September

04:00 - Xiaolin Showdown
04:30 - Yu-Gi-Oh! GX (some new)
05:00 - Ben 10
05:30 - Code LYOKO
Fridays
04:00 - HTDT (new)
04:30 - TMNT: Fast Forward (new)
05:00 - Ben 10 (new)
05:30 - The Fantastic Four (new)

October

04:00 - Yu-Gi-Oh! GX
04:30 - Team Galaxy (new)
05:00 - Ben 10
05:30 - Code LYOKO (new)
Fridays
04:00 - HTDT (new)
04:30 - TMNT: Fast Forward (new)
05:00 - Ben 10 (new)
05:30 - The Fantastic Four (new)

November

04:00 - Yu-Gi-Oh! GX (some new)
04:30 - Team Galaxy
05:00 - Ben 10
05:30 - Code LYOKO (new)
Fridays
04:00 - HTDT (new)
04:30 - TMNT: Fast Forward (new)
05:00 - Ben 10 (new)
05:30 - The Fantastic Four (new)

December

04:00 - Yu-Gi-Oh! GX
04:30 - Team Galaxy
05:00 - Ben 10
05:30 - Code LYOKO
Fridays
04:00 - MOVIES
05:30 - The Fantastic Four (new)

[William C. Maune]

Fantastic Four is currently planned for Saturdays. However, it isn't yet decided whether it will be Saturday morning or Toonami.

[Sketch]

Okay then.

I'm banking on "currently planned". If Saturday doesn't pan out (which has yet to be determined) then Friday premieres on Miguzi could be a good substitute.

The Saturday morning mesh will be very different this Fall with CW launching along with another version of 4kidsTV on FOX and various affiliates as well as DiC's block on CBS (I think it was CBS), ABC Kids new programing (yes new shows not just reruns from Disney channel) and ABC Family tossing out Jetix. On one hand... tossing Jetix will make the Saturday morning cable action viewership easily in CN's favor if Ben 10 catches it's stride and more action shows including Fantastic Four hit the block. So we'll just have to wait and see.