"WWE RAW" Talkback (Spoilers)

[The Penguin]

As 2005 comes to a close, RAW is getting ready for the new year and New Year's Revolution. John Cena and his five challengers has better be ready, because one of them will ring in 2006 with the knowledge that will have the ultimate advantage in the Elimination Chamber. Will a new General Manager mix things up even more or will Mr. McMahon hold things off a little while longer?

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Final RAW of 2005
December 26, 2005

With New Year's Revolution fast approaching, all six competitors slated to compete in the Elimination Chamber will compete in "Beat the Clock" matches Monday night on RAW. The Superstar with the fastest time will enter the Chamber last at New Year's Revolution. Who will gain the Elimination Chamber advantage? Watch RAW to find out.

Also, Big Show and Triple H are scheduled to square off at New Year's Revolution. But first, they must sign the appropriate paperwork. Watch the contract signing this Monday night on RAW.

Also on RAW, Intercontinental Champion Ric Flair will appear on The Cutting Edge. For weeks, Edge and Lita have been taking shots at "The Nature Boy." How will Flair respond Monday night?

Additionally, Mr. McMahon will give a review of Bret Hart's new DVD. Tune in to RAW (on USA at 9/8 CT) to find out how the WWE Chairman feels about the Hit Man's DVD.

[Kasumi]

Since when was Conan on Creative?

EDIT: Lita's boobs are faker than Stephanie's.

Chris Masters will become the WW Champion at New Year's Resolution, yo.

And here's Kurt Angle with cheap heat. Next we shall have John Cena with cheap pops.

[Djm912]

Wow. Not only are Stephanie McMahon and her flying monkeys completely inept, their also officially totally unoriginal.

And Vince McMannequin doing commentary on Bret's DVD. And if what I've read about that is true, I'm not looking forward to it at all.

[Red]

It'd be awesome...if next week, it was Chavo vs. Masters for Master's spot in the chamber. Chavo roll's him up out of nowhere, and Chavo is in the chamber! And out of dedication to Eddie, they let Chavo WIN the chamber and the WWE Title!

Hey, a man can dream. :)

[Djm912]

Wow. Again, I guess WWE Creative just loves to see how low they can put the bar.

Time to turn the channel.

[VCXZX]

HHH and Vince look pretty orange to me. Must have been some vacation.

You know you got a bad RAW when the best part of it was Maria hawking stuff on Shopzone. CM Punk's a lucky man.

Next week, the nightmare begins. :( :sad: :( :sad:

[Kasumi]

Did John Cena just no sell an eye poke? A FREAKIN' EYE POKE?!!

FACT: John Cena is only cheered by small children and teenage girls. Excluding me.

And good lord. Mama Benjamin in the works.

And yay for Carlito and his holiday rhyme!!

[Djm912]

Next week, the nightmare begins. :( :sad: :( :sad:You mean Mamma Benjamin? Yeah. Talk about a nightmare.

[VCXZX]

Pretty much a bleh show.

Striker did a ok job imiating Flair in that segment. It was a pretty bad segment.

They really ruined Angle's character. What an awful promo and awful ending to that match.

cena/Benjamin was interesting because only the girls chanted Cena's name.

Next week is when Shelton's Momma debuts. Lord help us all.

Vince went to needlessly bury Bret. Then Shawn went on to needlessly bury Bret. It got boring and bad as Vince turned heel yet again. I wonder if we'll ever have a new GM.

[SirLemming]

...that was it? The ending was, like, nothing... And they really built it up like something big was going to happen.

I also keep getting confused as to what their target date is for a new GM. I keep thinking they're gonna announce one but then they don't. Not sure why they're doing this anyway, since originally the idea seemed to be that Shane was lined up as a perfect replacement.

cena/Benjamin was interesting because only the girls chanted Cena's name. Yeah, that was hilariously evident. "Let's go Cena" in high-pitched voices followed by "Let's go Shelton" in lower-pitched voices.

[MGFanJay]

Good lord was that main event segment bizarre for about a billion reasons. To make matters worse, none of the matches were good, beyond Masters-Chavo, which had some great psychology throughout it.

[PTurkey]

Mickie-Trish HLA? Part of me is :sad: since this is another indicator of the desperation/crappiness of Creative and its wrestling Divas doing the type of junk the eye candy Divas were designed to do. But another part is :nurse: because it is Trish-Stratus-and-Alexis-Laree HLA.

Hey, how 'bout those dueling chants during Benjamin-Cena. Its like somebody got a TNA crowd in my WWE arena. Or Connecticut happens to have enough smarks to counter the stupidity of little kid/teenage girl Cena fans.
A decent Cena match? It's a Christmas miracle! Oh, wait. Shelton. That's why. I anxiously await the WWE TV debut of his mother.

That last bit better be a lead-in to a Bret Hart return, or else that was one of the hugest wastes of time ever, or at least the past month.

[The Dork Knight]

Was I hearing things or were some of the fans chanting "TNA" after Vince said there's nowhere else for HBK to go if he is fired by WWE?

[Chris Johnston]

Tonight was so inane and random.

List of Inane Random Things:

-What exactly was Kurt's big announcement???? Does he hate America now? Is he gay? (joking about the gay one) is he calling it quits?

-Where the (censored) was the review for the dvd like wwe.com promised?

-What the hell happened to the Raw ending??? It just ended with a pointless interview. Where's the run-in?

-Who the hell is the GM now??? It's been three freakin' weeks now, McMahon, just tell me, please!



WTF?? Moments:

-WW Champ?????? Oh I get it, he must have forgotten the E because the logo just says "WW".

-Weird Girl-on-Girl action, between two opponents. Why?


All of this had better lead to something good.

[The Dork Knight]

-Who the hell is the GM now??? It's been three freakin' weeks now, McMahon, just tell me, please!
They are currently "interviewing" applicants.

[SirLemming]

Was I hearing things or were some of the fans chanting "TNA" after Vince said there's nowhere else for HBK to go if he is fired by WWE? They definitely were.

Also, I think Mickie James looks bad with that hairstyle and that tan. She looks like she wants to become Li'l Kim to create a psychological connection to Trish Stratus' theme song.

[hobbyfan]

Striker did a ok job imiating Flair in that segment. It was a pretty bad segment.

Oh, that was Ichabod Striker mimicing Flair (and a little dose of Macho Man, too)? Terrible.

They really ruined Angle's character. What an awful promo and awful ending to that match.

Angle's done better than this. You'd think they're trying to tell him they don't need him anymore. His mouthguard makes him look ugly, as in Tor Johnson ugly.

Vince went to needlessly bury Bret. Then Shawn went on to needlessly bury Bret. It got boring and bad as Vince turned heel yet again. I wonder if we'll ever have a new GM.
I think they're stalling on the new GM until at the very latest Royal Rumble. I think Vince wants us to think that he may offer HBK the GM's job if he does him a favor (can't think of what, though).

[MGFanJay]

Dork Knight, there was a TNA chant during the Vince-HBK segment, and the timing of it was just about perfect.

[Djm912]

I'd like to point out during Vince's little "I fooled you to say what I want to say thing", he really didn't have anyone fooled.

Again, sticking with the script, even if it makes no sense.

And there SOOOO was a TNA chant. And Vince and Shawn heard it, too.

[Dirtbag]

I'm still not sure what I saw last night. Most of the show was pretty bleh, except for Masters/Chavo and Cena/Benjamin. I know Chavo and Shelton are good, but I really have to applaud them for carrying Masters and Cena to watchable matches.

Once again, WWE is doing buisness like the downfall of WCW. I give it a month before Shelton's mom is a tag team champion.

The last segment, so far, was completely pointless. It served nothing except to bury Bret Hart and take a cheap shot at TNA. If it leads to the Hitman back on WWE TV, even for one night, I'm all for it, but the last thing I want is a Shawn/Vince angle. Enough already.

[Patrick Bateman]

I hope to god that WWE was paying attention to the crowd reaction during Cena/Benjamin. I only heard squeeling pre-teen girls and little kids chanting "Let's go, Cena!", and the men (WWE's CORE audience), chanting "Let's go, Shelton!". Also, did anyone else hear the rain of boos every time Cena was on the offense, and especially when he won? Face it, WWE - We hate your golden boy.

[prodigal]

Cena is not going to drop the title anytime soon nor should he.

That match with Cena/Shelton was great. I loved the crowd during that. LOL Shleton's Mom.

HBK/Vince was pretty intense promo which was to setup Vince not taking anything from anybody anymore.

[Patrick Bateman]

Cena is not going to drop the title anytime soon nor should he.

That match with Cena/Shelton was great. I loved the crowd during that. LOL Shleton's Mom.

HBK/Vince was pretty intense promo which was to setup Vince not taking anything from anybody anymore. Nor should he? He's had it for 9 damn months and WWE's core audience, not the internet smarks but their actual core audience hates his guts. I don't see how he should keep going the way he is.

BTW, Shelton Benjamin could carry David Arquette to a good wrestling match. Cena deserves no credit.

And on a little off-note, it made me laugh like hell to see a Cena defender with a Jeff Jarrett avatar. It aaaaaaaaaall makes sense now. :D

[Matt Hazuda]

Was I the only one to noticed after Cena's chorus of booing at the end of the match, they rush out Angle to divert his heel heat? I don't think that was planned at all, but Vince and WWE Creative's desparate attempt to make a faling champ look decent.

JBL carried Cena in Smackdown, and now it looks like it's Angle's job to do the same on RAW. If Angle does not get the title this year, he needs to jump to TNa where he'd be more respected for his talent and not shoved aisde for some freaking no-talent wigger.

Also, took freaking long enough for Joey Styles to declare Cen'as new finisher the STFU. THe smarks have been using it for weeks, but the writers didn't realize that's what it was when they handed Cena his 6th move?

[Deadman]

why did they have trish and mickie kis? and sheltons mamma? why do they think of this stuff? i hope cena looses the belt at NY revolution. we need a new chump!

[prodigal]

Nor should he? He's had it for 9 damn months and WWE's core audience, not the internet smarks but their actual core audience hates his guts. I don't see how he should keep going the way he is.

BTW, Shelton Benjamin could carry David Arquette to a good wrestling match. Cena deserves no credit.

And on a little off-note, it made me laugh like hell to see a Cena defender with a Jeff Jarrett avatar. It aaaaaaaaaall makes sense now. :DIt's January why would you have Cena drop the title now?

If he is gonna drop it will be at Wrestlemania. Even though I don't think he is gonna drop it then either. He should hold it until Sumerslam. It makes no sense to take the title off of Cena now while you have invested all this money in him, and Cena is doing the best he can. Mind you I hate Cena's Charcter, but still WWE isn't losing money with Cena as Champ.

Also I think Shelton and Cena worked together in that match.

And yes I have Jarrett avatar. I think Jarrett is good heel and doesn't get the credit he deserves, but still I can see why people would hate him and want the title off of him. I'm a reasonable Jarrett fan.

[Jade_GL]

Nothing at all fun in this show. Well, maybe Kane destroying the lame Heart Throbs, but that was about it. Oh, and Shelton and Chavo were very good in their matches, I enjoyed them a lot. Not to say I hate Cena or Masters... Wait, I do hate Masters. Nevermind. Why are they pushing this no-charisma blockhead? I would rather watch paint dry than watch this guy in the ring or in a backstage segment. Vince, please stop pushing these muscle-bound losers on us. They have no charisma and cannot carry themselves, let alone act and react with other, more interesting, wrestlers.

I just hate it that wrestlers like Christian get the shaft, even though they work hard and have tons of charisma, while guys like Masters get title shots on a silver platter for no other reason than they have big arms... Ugh...

Ok, sorry for the rant, but I am becoming a total mark for TNA. I enjoy their show immensely, and find myself liking RAW less and less, especially lately. Too much Vince, too much crap story, just not enough good matchups and interesting wrestlers to keep me interested.

Btw, just noticed I hit 2,600 posts. Yippee.

[sag_2002]

Very confusing RAW this week, from Angle's (apparently) not-announcement (and subsequent match) to the main event promo non-finish (brutal head-scratcher.) And, is anyone else but me beginning to think that this whole GM thing is just leading us for the inevitable return of Easy E. Bait, prepare to meet switch.

[Jade_GL]

My BF had an interesting idea for Angle's announcement. He thought that ANgle was going to *give up* his gold medal, maybe even desecrate it somehow by throwing it in the trash or something. I thought that would have been pretty shocking, and make sense. He won it for America, now that America has turned their collective back on him, he would be acting out and symbolically destroying his connection to America, in a way.

Then we get a lame announcement that was not an announcement. Just typical heel promo, and not particularly memorable heel work at that.

I have to say, I liked my BF's idea better. I was stoked to see what Angle was up to, then I get him pulling a Triple H on me and just talking a bunch of crap without any real purpose. No announcement, just talk.

Meh. Forgot to put that in my first post.

[Spike Mcdougal]

Very confusing RAW this week, from Angle's (apparently) not-announcement (and subsequent match) to the main event promo non-finish (brutal head-scratcher.) And, is anyone else but me beginning to think that this whole GM thing is just leading us for the inevitable return of Easy E. Bait, prepare to meet switch.
Well if they are heading into the toilet ala WCW that that will just make them go even faster

[The Penguin]

Did anything particularly great happen on Unlimited this week? Being at home with my parents’ 56k I am unable to watch that.

HBK got the ‘clock beating’ off to a strong start with his victory over Snitsky. I like it better when the Super Kick comes out of nowhere so I liked Snitsky countering the hyped one and then getting beat moments later.

Wow, Edge stole one of the least funny parts from Conan O’Brien. So that was Stiker? He did a fairly good job and was certainly no worse that any of the voices they have on Late Night. I hate the joke, but the voice not being perfect is part of the whole idea. It was nice seeing Flair on the attack after that segment.

I really thought Masters would hold the time to beat at least for a while. Chavo put a stop to that by holding on past the clock. If you ask me the match was over at that point. Masters has nothing more to shoot for and Chavo’s got nothing official with a win. Jack Doan didn’t seem to be demanding the match continue or anything.

So Kurt Angle hates the troops? Thanks for bringing that back up, Kurt. Heel or not, this doesn’t feel the least bit right.

I must admit, I had a little bit of fun with Vince’s innuendos while ‘interviewing’ Torrie and Chole. I was entertained.

:eek: Wow, Mickie went for it under the mistletoe!! Does she ‘compete’ only in the women’s division or did she take her hero worship/holiday tradition too far?

I don’t know if it was quite fair, but Mike Chioda didn’t put up with the shenanigans of Angle and Daivari. If he’s the referee for the match next week, he might be the first blood.

I gotta say, I was not terribly disappointed with the Show-HHH contract signing. Usually these segments are worthless, but the intensity of the confrontation and The Game slamming the sledgehammer on Show’s hand really worked for me.

C-N-E-A Did anyone catch those uncoordinated fans? I hate people who watch the TitanTron rather than the match so they can stick their signs in other people’s line of sight. You’re on TV, we get it.

Wow, when you alleged fan favorite Champion has a solid chant against him, is being cheered seemingly only by women who “think he’s hot” and is obviously booed when he wins his match it’s time to reevaluate how you are writing his character.

:shrug: And it appears Ma Benjamin is on her way. A parody of a parody is rarely a good idea and here we are going from soup commercial to SNL to WWE. Somebody hold me, I’m scared.

Matt Striker held his own with Vince McMahon during his “interview” for the GM job. It appears his previous job didn’t help him out though.

I liked Carlito’s Christmas poem. And I liked it a lot more than his “drawing” Victoria as his opponent! That was a lame excuse, if they were drawing names, the women shouldn’t have even been in there. Is this really what we’ve come to?

Well the New Year’s Revolution hype was sure choppy with all the “earlier tonight”s in it. It was kind of sad to watch.

Almost more sad than Carlito “randomly” getting a Diva as his opponent was Kane getting a tag team. I feel sorry for Romeno and Antonio, they finally achieve their dream and then lose to one man in under 30 seconds. :shrug:

By the end of it, I wasn’t really even sure anymore what we were supposed to get out of the final segment with HBK and Vince. It seemed like Vince was going to insult Bret Hart a lot and then it became all about him and Shawn. I guess I’ll just sit back and see what happens.

[Boy Wonder]

Let's see:
Michaels def. Snitsky. Blah.
Angle loses to Daivari. Ha ha... no.
Mickie "accidentally" kisses Trish under the mistletoe... blah
Vince likes to play with puppies... blah
Masters couldn't defeat Chavo. Blah
Cena is getting booed. Blah
Michaels and McMahon make a controversial promo. Interesting but blah.

This week was just, bleh. Lost sleep over this episode.

[Wing Zero]

This was RAW was just....so boring. RAW is my only form of wrestling entertainment as I'm out on Friday and Saturday nights working and usually its at least decent but this RAW was terrible. I want Bischoff back even though he is just a character on a show, I've always liked the guy since WCW(well mostly). Seems like ever since he got fired RAW has been sinking lower and lower, who knows maybe he will come back? Vince as temporary GM is just not cutting it. Whomever is writing RAW needs to step up the game because the build up to New Year's Revolution has been kinda bad. I'm looking forward to Big Show/HHH and the elimination chamber but that's about it.

[Djm912]

This was RAW was just....so boring. RAW is my only form of wrestling entertainment as I'm out on Friday and Saturday nights working and usually its at least decent but this RAW was terrible.The sad part is that most people are like this. And Smackdown has been quite better than Raw over the past few months.

[The Dork Knight]

Did anything particularly great happen on Unlimited this week? Being at home with my parents’ 56k I am unable to watch that.
Gregory Helms stated that he's being held down by Jerry Lawler.

Trevor Murdoch also reviewed "Brokeback Mountain".

[Dirtbag]

Trevor Murdoch also reviewed "Brokeback Mountain". Please tell me that's still available somewhere. It has to be comedy gold.

[eJm]

Gregory Helms stated that he's being held down by Jerry Lawler.
Three Words.

What. The. Hell?

[The Dork Knight]

Please tell me that's still available somewhere. It has to be comedy gold.
Here you go. (http://www.wwe.com/shows/raw/unlimited/)

[Jmanunknown]

JBL carried Cena in Smackdown, and now it looks like it's Angle's job to do the same on RAW. If Angle does not get the title this year, he needs to jump to TNa where he'd be more respected for his talent and not shoved aisde for some freaking no-talent wigger.

Yea Kurt Angle really needs to jump to TNA so he can be like Christian and beat one of their top up and coming stars in a #1 contenders match then get pushed to the back burner like the match didn't even happen because, Sting signs a contract with the company.

Also, took freaking long enough for Joey Styles to declare Cen'as new finisher the STFU. THe smarks have been using it for weeks, but the writers didn't realize that's what it was when they handed Cena his 6th move?

Joey Styles has been calling John Cena's new finisher the STFU since he started using it when he faced someone in a submission match.

[Sigma]

Yea Kurt Angle really needs to jump to TNA so he can be like Christian and beat one of their top up and coming stars in a #1 contenders match then get pushed to the back burner like the match didn't even happen because, Sting signs a contract with the company. That's funny since Christian is still the number one contender and is in the main event at Final Resolution, back burner my ass, Christian Cage is almost guranteed to wear the NWA title in 2006.

Angle in TNA will never happen either, I love Kurt Angle and would love to see him in TNA, but he is one of those guys who is very loyal to the WWE and will stay with them till the end, just like the Undertaker and Shawn Michaels.

[hobbyfan]

Joey Styles has been calling John Cena's new finisher the STFU since he started using it when he faced someone in a submission match.
Chris Masters & Angle in a triple threat submission match, the last main event that Eric Bischoff "booked".

[EinBebop]

If Angle does not get the title this year, he needs to jump to TNa where he'd be more respected for his talent and not shoved aisde for some freaking no-talent wigger.Kurt may not be champion, but he's been consistently pushed and frequently main-eventing for years. He also makes excellent money and is one of the few who excels working within the WWE-style. Why should he jump again?

The world champion is a business decision. The guy who 'deserves' it is not necessarily the best man for the job. Cena is a partially failed experiment. He sells tons of merchandise, but adults hate him. I gotta think WWE finds themselves in a quandry with him, and he will probably drop the title at NYE. I'm especially surprised, because I never thought Batista would have a longer run that Cena.

But what do you do with Cena? I think that being "The Champ" is too big a part of his persona, and those spinner belts sell well. You could give him the IC belt, but that in itself signifies a drop in value, and would probably affect merchandising.

No, I think the route to go with Cena is, after dropping the World title via a GM-screwjob, to keep his spinner belt and do his own spin (so to speak) on the FTW title. Ride that train until the kiddies are ready to get off, and then turn him heel.

That's funny since Christian is still the number one contender and is in the main event at Final Resolution, back burner my ass, Christian Cage is almost guranteed to wear the NWA title in 2006.I agree with the first half of that statement. But as I see the main event picture, you've got "The Chosen One" holding the belt, a guy who just signed a half-million dollar contract, Christian with a title shot, Raven probably about to win a title shot, and Monte Brown and Abyss hovering off to the sides.

That's a crowded main event scene, and I'm not convinced that Christian would make the company more many than any of these other guys. In fact, I could think of a few reasons he would be a bad choice... at least at this point in time.

[Jmanunknown]

That's funny since Christian is still the number one contender and is in the main event at Final Resolution, back burner my ass, Christian Cage is almost guranteed to wear the NWA title in 2006.
Since TNA hasn't offcially announced the mainevent for Final Resolution yet, I guess it was already announced on one of the TNA impact tapings thats hasn't aired yet.
Thats good hopefully Christian does get a title reign in 2006. I'm tired of Jeff Jarret always having the NWA title.

[Sigma]

Since TNA hasn't offcially announced the mainevent for Final Resolution yet, I guess it was already announced on one of the TNA impact tapings thats hasn't aired yet.
Thats good hopefully Christian does get a title reign in 2006. I'm tired of Jeff Jarret always having the NWA title. Here is the main event for Final Resolution Christian and Sting vs. Jarret and Brown.

At Against All Odds I think we will see Jarret vs. Christian or the title could possibly change hands on an iMPACT, but I am pretty sure we will see a feud with Jarret and Sting that does not involve the NWA Title.

[Djm912]

Here is the main event for Final Resolution Christian and Sting vs. Jarret and Brown.

At Against All Odds I think we will see Jarret vs. Christian or the title could possibly change hands on an iMPACT, but I am pretty sure we will see a feud with Jarret and Sting that does not involve the NWA Title.Well, we'll have pretty much another Jeff Jarrett match with another really good undercard.

Joe and Daniels will be great, and AJ Styles will be in a match that I am very interested in seeing.

AJ Styles will be taking on Hiroshi Tanahasi of New Japan Pro Wrestling.

[Boy Wonder]

Here is the problem fellas:Kurt Angle cannot be long-term champion, ever. His nerve damage in his neck has gotten so bad that his right arm is much bigger than the left one. Also, one bad bump, and Angle's neck will go snap, crackle, and pop more than the cereal itself.