C&C - Fullmetal Alchemist - "Secret of Ishbal" [12/10]

[Duke]

Mustang has been betrayed! OH NOS!

Everything about Ishbal is a lie! HOW VERY EVA!

Ed and Al find out more horrible stuff! HOW MUCH IS ENOUGH?

[FlyByNite77]

poor Marta can't even get any food :p

[Gatomon41]

Wow, Ed didn't get upset when Mustang said it was too Big for them

[FlyByNite77]

Ed and Al find out more horrible stuff! HOW MUCH IS ENOUGH?apparently it wasn't enough since they now know how screwed up Lior became after they left...

[Gatomon41]

Edward looks alot like Wrath in his disguise.

Ed gets 6th in worse Disguises ever that work so well.

[FlyByNite77]

Whoo Scar is back. Bout time he returned...

[Duke]

Rose should change her name to Rosette. Then she can get some Gospel bullets and really kick some ass.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Wow, there was a lot of big revelations being made here, the truth about Ishbal, and a lot of other big stuff. Tons of stuff going on right at the end of the episode.

[Gatomon41]

Ah, the secret of Ishbal is reavealed, Lior gets into a major mess, and the return of Rose. What does it all mean?

I liked how they developed Marta's backstory, very sad and the flashback was bizzare. Marta becomes even more likable after this episode.

But, the epuisode still lacks drama and emotion. It just didn't make me care too much. So I give it a 3 out of 5.

[NickWhiz1]

Get used to this, as pretty much every episode coming up has an OMG WTF?! cliffhanger.

Good episode here, setting up for the next story arc, where everything will be turned upside down and inside out.

[Youko Recca]

Very nice setup episode. From here the ball starts rolling and doesn't stop.

[AlienOmega]

"He's here! The Beast of Ishbal!"

I don't know why, but that line is damn cool.

[NahMan85]

I can't believe I missed this episode. I guess I will have to stay up and watch the rerun, oh well. :sad:

[Humble]

Things are not looking good for any of the cast members.

-Humble

[silverwings]

Arg... my head hurts. Too much in so little time. I love it. :anime:

I really, really don't like Archer. I really hope he dies a horribly brutal death, perferably by Scar.:evil:

So Lust and Co. can kill Ed now? :confused:

[NahMan85]

Very nice setup episode. From here the ball starts rolling and doesn't stop.
Looks like I can't miss anymore eps then now can I?

[FireStarterLE]

yay, Scar's back!!!! And a mention of Pride as well .......

The cast is being assembled, the stage is nearly set and the curtain will soon rise

[Vallen Valiant]

So Lust and Co. can kill Ed now? :confused:
Well... They can kill Ed if and only if they found a better candidate for making the PhStone... Ed isn't so cooperative to them right now.

[djthomp]

Oh man, now I understand the brief scene of Lior a few episodes back when the old man was telling Al and Ed about the Grand Arcanum.

So the point of the stone Scar was dragging was the create the giant Grand Arcanum array around Lior? Or is that just what we are supposed to think?

[PickHut]

Plot moving along, revelations, cliffhangers...... and other stuff. Sorry, can't really come up with something different to say that everyone in this topic seemed to have said already.

I give SoI a B-.

[XOMiss_Samantha]

As much as i love both Kimblee and Archer, they really annoy me.
...expecially Archer with his smart remarks,i wish Roy would just blow them both up allready.
"oh im colonal here too so we're equal blah blah blah"
youll never be as cool so shut up while your ahead:D

[Vallen Valiant]

Oh man, now I understand the brief scene of Lior a few episodes back when the old man was telling Al and Ed about the Grand Arcanum.

So the point of the stone Scar was dragging was the create the giant Grand Arcanum array around Lior? Or is that just what we are supposed to think?
You have to admire Scar's dedication... It's not easy to do what he is doing without modern equipment and the ability to see the city from the air.

[Captain Zechs]

YAY we finally get to see her :)

Good episode, I hope Marta makes it out okay. And what they did to those who followed their orders was just terrible and uneccesary, I feel sorry for them.

Good episode, cant wait for more.

[Anime Freak]

Very nice setup episode. From here the ball starts rolling and doesn't stop.
Eh, near the late 40s (eps. 47+) it seems to start dragging at points and doesn't get that much more fluid til the last 2 eps, but thats just what i thought.

[purplehairedwonder]

Cliffhanger... NOOOOO!!!

That was a crazy episode. So many revelations coming from so many different directions. I love when Marta jumps into Al's armor. It just cracks me up. All my other thoughts on the episode has pretty much already been said. Awesome and I can't wait to see what's up with Rose.

[silverwings]

Well... They can kill Ed if and only if they found a better candidate for making the PhStone... Ed isn't so cooperative to them right now.
Ah, I thought it was said that they were supposed to kill anyone who knew the secret of Ishbal... and Ed and Al now know that..

[Sketch]

Hey Ed, Alex from Golden Sun called. He wants his look back. And he also says you're too short for it. :D

Yeah I always wondered how Scar could pull that off. It's quite impressive.

[NahMan85]

Hey Ed, Alex from Golden Sun called. He wants his look back. And he also says you're too short for it. :D
Nice. LOL. How did Ed come up with that ridiculous costume anyway, makes him look like a girl?

[Hyper Shadow X]

Damn Cliffhangers.

[TigeronStarfire]

My friend brought this up, and I thought it was interesting, even if hardly worth notice, but... You know how we have the seven sins, Lust, Gluttony, Envy, and so on that were created from failed transmutations. Well, my friend mentioned that Kimbly called Armstrong "Strength". He got to thinking about that, and searched for the sins' opposites, the seven heavenly virtues:

Prudence
Temperance
Justice
Fortitude (Strength? Armstrong?)
Faith
Hope
Charity

I don't suppose FMA has individuals that go by these other names anywhere in the series, eh? Even if called in passing?

[Vallen Valiant]

I don't suppose FMA has individuals that go by these other names anywhere in the series, eh? Even if called in passing?Actually, though it isn't fact, some of us suspect many names in FMA were obtained from the life and times of Al Capone the Crime Lord...
Most of the info is first supplied by Yuuki. All credits goes to her. (I assume Yuuki is a she... hope I am right.) Here is where it first started... I added just a little more of my own info below.
http://www.livejournal.com/community/fm_alchemist/962134.html

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Ed = Edward J. O'Hare, Lawyer who worked for Al Capone but betrayed him.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_J._O'Hare

Alphonse = Al Capone himself

Scar = Scarface, Al Capone's nickname

Maes Hughes = Michael Hughes, a legendary Chief of Detectives in Chicago who was advanced to Commissioner of Police during the Al Capone era (1927/1928).
http://www.ipsn.org/dignan.html
AND
Mary Caughlin, nicknamed Mae, Wife of Al Capone,

Alex Louis Armstrong = Louis Armstrong, famous musician. His manager Joe Glaser has connections with Al Capone. Al Capone also controlled all the Jazz clubs, as such Louis can't play in any Chicago club without permission from Al.
AND
Alex Louis Greenberg, hotel owner. Corrupt man working for Al Capone.

Roy Mustang = Roy,Al Capone's personal driver.

Rose = Rose Capone, one of Al Capone's daughters.

[djthomp]

Oh thats wild, and definitely cool.

Heres a bit of random, loosely related trivia. Chicago O'Hare airport is named after Edward J. O'Hare's son, who was a WW2 Air Force hero.

[TigeronStarfire]

Well...not quite what I meant. ^_^;; I was just wondering if anyone went by the names (or even as nicknames) of the seven heavenly virtues in the anime.

[email2003]

So Ed returns to the town where both him and Al first visited in episode 1.
So what the hell is Rose now!? A mother of what!?
Don't you think Scar knows Ed's appearence.
Will the boys ever find out what happen to Huges!?

[ClockStomper]

Wow, Scar is AMAZING if he perfectly drew that giant array just using that rock. For a professed alchemy hater, he has mad skills.

[Freedom Fighter]

So that's the truth behind the Ishbal massacre! Man, now I hate the military even more! This is where I'm torn in this series, because (other than Ed and Al) you have likeable people in the military like Roy, Riza, and Armstrong, but yet the general opinion of their profession is shaped by people like Archer and Kimblee. It makes me sick, I tell ya!

I'm also intrigued in how we've circled back to Lior, as I somehow should've figured out it would all come back around that way. Now it seems everything's in place... we've got Ed, the military, the homonculi, and Scar all in one place. When do the fireworks begin?

8 out of 10 for "The Secret of Ishbal."

[Duke]

So what the hell is Rose now!? A mother of what!?You ever seen the final few episodes of Chrno Crusade? It's something like that.

[Vallen Valiant]

You ever seen the final few episodes of Chrno Crusade? It's something like that.Though as you can see, she is also literally a mother.

Please don't ask who the father was, as we don't know.

And don't ask about the circumstances in how she got pregnant, because you don't want to know... (hint: It happened right after the last time you saw her...:crying: )

[Steiner]

Though as you can see, she is also literally a mother.

Please don't ask who the father was, as we don't know.

And don't ask about the circumstances in how she got pregnant, because you don't want to know... (hint: It happened right after the last time you saw her...:crying: )
It was an immaculate connception. From here on out the show is going to turn into an allegory of the life of Jesus. (j/k)

[K-S-O]

Even during dramatic moments, Armstrong is awesome! :D I guess it's the voice! His actor is excellent with the character!

[Saiko]

I love Archer and Kimblee! They keep things interesting. But what's with Armstrong its like he's sucking up to Archer and its about something more than his job rank.

Anyway I really the relationship between Al and marta, I hope she doesn't die, not soon anyway. I'm guessing both she and Al are gonna be in some big trouble once the others find out he's been hiding her.

Scar is awsome, its a shame they want to kill him. His and Ed's relationship has been interesting to watch play out through the series.

[Strollymonster]

I'm starting to stress over the fact that the season's over half done and the boys STILL don't know about Hughes...

Can someone put the episode number they find out in?

Tucker's up to no good with the State Alchemist watches...who knows what kind of "modification" he'll pull?

[Gatomon41]

I'm starting to stress over the fact that the season's over half done and the boys STILL don't know about Hughes...

Can someone put the episode number they find out in?

Tucker's up to no good with the State Alchemist watches...who knows what kind of "modification" he'll pull?
They still don't know? :confused:

You mean Armstrong, or nobody told them yet?

[Strollymonster]

They still don't know? :confused:

You mean Armstrong, or nobody told them yet?
Nope, they don't. The group with Hawkeye and Havoc reiterated that fact in this episode, citing that the boy's work is too valuable to risk by telling them of Hughes and potentially causing them to run back to Central.

Not even Armstrong or Mustang, or even Archer has mentioned it. Winry now knows, but has not gotten back to Ed and Al to tell them that, among other things.

[BDawg]

Eh how did Tucker recognize the inscription on Ed's watch (which I'm assuming from his little sneer there.) I know they lived with him but I didn't think Ed showed the watch to anybody.

[Dark Soul]

Damn they still havn't told Al and Ed about Hughes death. Wow this episode covered so much in one half hour my mind is still boggling. Rose a mother huh? Scar meets Ed and then Cliffhanger.

I give this episode a B

[KojiroTakenashi]

Eh how did Tucker recognize the inscription on Ed's watch (which I'm assuming from his little sneer there.) I know they lived with him but I didn't think Ed showed the watch to anybody.
I think it was the Date he recognized, and thus, the association.

I find it absolutely disgusting they're putting cheap amplification in those things. Ed sure as hell doesn't need it. Al maybe...but Al's a literal Tank so that doesn't matter anyway.

[Vallen Valiant]

I think it was the Date he recognized, and thus, the association.

I find it absolutely disgusting they're putting cheap amplification in those things. Ed sure as hell doesn't need it. Al maybe...but Al's a literal Tank so that doesn't matter anyway.
The amplification device was always suppose to be there. The hint was in the first episode when the priest said the watch is an amplifier... I guess he was talking about old information back in the last war. Dr Marco was the person who made the stones, but then he left... Not until the "sewing life alchemist" joined them that they can start to put red stones in the watches again.

[KojiroTakenashi]

Well, let's not forget Ed soaked up Raw Stone Material up like a sponge while going all Akira on everyone...

[Vallen Valiant]

Well, let's not forget Ed soaked up Raw Stone Material up like a sponge while going all Akira on everyone...Dr Marco was gone long before that, so it was unlikely any graduates at Ed's time would get a red stone in their watch. The legend that the watch increases your powers remained though...

[Chimera]

(I haven't seen anything past Adult Swim's run.)

Did anyone else think that Rose was creating the Grand Arcanum? I thought she'd taken Edward's advice from "Those Who Challenge the Sun" to heart, and tried to create a real philosopher's stone to ressurect Kain. The Homunculi might have taught her alchemy like they did with the idealistic doctor alchemist from a couple episodes back. It seemed to parallel what we've seen so far with Scar's brother and the Ishbalan War.

[Vallen Valiant]

(I haven't seen anything past Adult Swim's run.)

Did anyone else think that Rose was creating the Grand Arcanum? I thought she'd taken Edward's advice from "Those Who Challenge the Sun" to heart, and tried to create a real philosopher's stone to ressurect Kain. The Homunculi might have taught her alchemy like they did with the idealistic doctor alchemist from a couple episodes back. It seemed to parallel what we've seen so far with Scar's brother and the Ishbalan War.Clever, but difficult in practice. Alchemy of the level you are talking about takes years of training and talent to build a stone from scratch. The Sins had been trying via numerous alchemists, but very few were any good...

Of course, that's for building the stone from scratch... If there is a short cut...

[G1Ravage]

The moment I saw Scar dragging that huge boulder behind him a couple of episodes back, I knew exactly why.

I was right. And it's not good.

[Vallen Valiant]

The moment I saw Scar dragging that huge boulder behind him a couple of episodes back, I knew exactly why.

I was right. And it's not good.And knowing Scar, he would be doing this for only one reason; to kill people.

Lots of people.

**********
Ironic, isn't it? We had Ed who wants the PhStone, but refuse to kill for it. And now we have Scar who don't care about the PStone, but wants to use the same Alchemy for the pure purpose of killing his enemies.

[adoptedBatpuppy]

I see that military didn't really care about Winry in Sheizka snooping in the tunnel!?
There is definetly some tension within the military! Is Lior and Ishbal located within each other? Like one is located inside the other. Being a City and a suburb.
So, what is the secret of Ishbal? :confused:
What truth did Ed and Al uncovered that they didn't already know!? :eek:
Rose is some holly spirit!? I bet it's not really her, but Envy in disguise. :sad:
How did Lust and GLuttony managed to recognize Ed and Scar? :shrug:
I wonder what Tucker is going to do with Ed's watch? If I was Ed I would not have left my younger brother with the military. Or went to the Sneaky Archer for a premission to search Lior. I think in that department Ed has made a mistake!
Does Colonel Ray knows about Tucker working within the military? How can he not notice?! :sweat:
Thank you for answering my questions! :D

[adoptedBatpuppy]

And knowing Scar, he would be doing this for only one reason; to kill people.

Lots of people.

**********
Ironic, isn't it? We had Ed who wants the PhStone, but refuse to kill for it. And now we have Scar who don't care about the PStone, but wants to use the same Alchemy for the pure purpose of killing his enemies.
Who are his enemies?

[SS4goku]

Guys i missed this episode, so can someone give me the description of this episode. pleas and thank you

[Malex]

So, what is the secret of Ishbal? images/smilies/confused.gif
What truth did Ed and Al uncovered that they didn't already know!? images/smilies/eek.gif
Rose is some holly spirit!? I bet it's not really her, but Envy in disguise. :sad:
How did Lust and GLuttony managed to recognize Ed and Scar? :shrug:
I wonder what Tucker is going to do with Ed's watch? If I was Ed I would not have left my younger brother with the military. Or went to the Sneaky Archer for a premission to search Lior. I think in that department Ed has made a mistake!
Does Colonel Ray knows about Tucker working within the military? How can he not notice?! :sweat:
The secret of Ishbal is that the war was started by the military's special division NOT Juliet Douglass accidentially killing an Ishbalan child.

Why does every suspicious character makes someone presume it HAS to be Envy?

Lust and Gluttony were watching Ed and Gluttony smelled Scar.

Archer told Tucker to give the watch an amplication treatment. Fill in the blanks on that one.

I think I could trust Mustang and the others to watch over all, but Kimbly is something else.

Tucker was well hidden, and I don't think just anyone can just know he's around also he is supposed to be dead. Dead men don't walk around without a care in the world.

[SS4goku]

seriously, how good was it

[XOMiss_Samantha]

Guys i missed this episode, so can someone give me the description of this episode. pleas and thank you
http://www.fullmetal-alchemist.com/anime-ep39.php

That has an awesome summary and some pictures if u need it:)

[Vallen Valiant]

Who are his enemies?
The Military. Always the miltary.

Scar has been fighting thm since the beginning...

[Space Chief]

Glad to see the show is warming up again. A good FMA ep warms like a nice cup of hot chocolate.

Ph33r t3h mAD R0cK-DraGG1N SK1LLSS!!!!1

Who knew that the first episode would actually matter later on?

Boy, the military, sins, and Scar...Next week is sure to be chock-full of crunchy FMA goodness.

[NahMan85]

...Next week is sure to be chock-full of crunchy FMA goodness.
MMMM, MMMMM, good.

[SS4goku]

Hey what about mustang how has he been betrayed and has winery finally find out the whole truth about mustang past or does she still think he's a some type of a murder. Plus has Ed and Al find about Douglass or what ever her name is, and have they found out that Hughes is dead.

[Strollymonster]

Hey what about mustang how has he been betrayed and has winery finally find out the whole truth about mustang past or does she still think he's a some type of a murder. Plus has Ed and Al find about Douglass or what ever her name is, and have they found out that Hughes is dead.Mustang hasn't been betrayed so much as his authority is starting to be usurped by Archer. In addition, the State has asked his subordinates to report on his activities, which is disconcerting.

Winry knows that Mustang killed her parents. It's also a good chance that Mustang knows she knows. There's still room left for development in that area.

Ed and Al haven't heard anything about Juliet Douglass or the death of Hughes...it's getting nerve-wracking to think that so much time has gone by without anyone telling them.

[NahMan85]

Ed and Al haven't heard anything about Juliet Douglass or the death of Hughes...it's getting nerve-wracking to think that so much time has gone by without anyone telling them.
Well seems weird to me because you would think that Ed and Al would start to ask questions about Hughes, how many excuses can Mustang and crew keep making without letting them know? I just think they are dragging it out and for no reason as of right now because they have so many other things that they would worry about besides hughes like Scar maybe. I mean camon mon. But I think they aleady know but it's just that they do not show it. Don't know why though. :confused:

[David Lucas]

Well to be fair, Ed never really showed that much affection for Hughes as it was. He always tries to make himself out to be the tough guy. I'm sure he's been curious about Hughes, just never asked anyone.

Not to mention that their journey is taking them through some real action packed times, I doubt he nor Al have any time to think about it. Not to mention they try to stay as far away from military involvement as possible, Liore being the exception.

Man, poor Rose. They never really go too far next episode into what has happened to her since we last left her, but, well, what they do tell you is just wrong.

[Humble]

Man, poor Rose. They never really go too far next episode into what has happened to her since we last left her, but, well, what they do tell you is just wrong. Quick question: In the show, how much time has elapsed between now and the last time we saw Rose?

-Humble

[Vallen Valiant]

Quick question: In the show, how much time has elapsed between now and the last time we saw Rose?

-HumbleNot likely to be more than a year or two. But enough time for the baby to be born...

Bad things happen to people who's city get invaded... Especially if the person concerned is a young woman all alone, with no one to shield her from the horrors of chaos that comes with an invasion...

[Humble]

Not likely to be more than a year or two. But enough time for the baby to be born...Hmmm... It's been awhile since Basque Grand went splat. :p

Bad things happen to people who's city get invaded... Especially if the person concerned is a young woman all alone, with no one to shield her from the horrors of chaos that comes with an invasion...I figured as much... :shrug:

Anyway, thanks for the help.

-Humble

[SS4goku]

So Ed and Al still haven't found out about Hughes death, and they haven't found out about drugless, dang it mustang, he should've been there when Hughes called for him right before he died, and then we wouldn't have all of this mess going on right now.

[David Lucas]

Mustang couldn't be at the phone when Hughes called because he was on his way to Central because he came to the conclusion that Hughes was hiding something major from him.

In a way, Hughes killed himself.

But in all honesty, Hughes still would have died. It isn't like Envy would have been like, "Oh damn, he told someone our secret, I guess I have to let him go now." Envy probably wouldn't have even let him finish his statement even if he GOT through to Roy.

And by some off chance, Maes DID tell Roy, and Envy DID let everything slide, Hughes knew Envy wasn't Maria Ross because of the mole and STILL would have pulled out his knife, forcing Envy to take him out.

Poor guy. It really does suck that no matter what he did, he was going to die.

On a completely unrelated yet somewhat related note, what the HELL is up with the latest issue of the FMA manga?! It's NOT "him"? Then what the hell is he? And the "Wrath" of the manga distinctly remembers his life before becoming a homonculus, why does this new "Greed" seem like he's a completely different person? What the hell was he thinking allowing himself to take it into him?

Sorry for everyone who's never read the manga, but I'm so confused, if anyone has any thoughts PM me.

[SS4goku]

Man, it just suck that Hughes died like that but you know envy is going to get what’s coming to her. But the person I hate the most would be Douglass how she's working with the freaks of the story and nobody knows it either besides Hughes and he's already dead.

[One Radical Dude]

I haven't posted in a while (I've been playing catch-up). I've been very impressed over the past several episodes, and this one is no exception. I'm really liking Marta's character more and more, and I can't wait to see more of her. I'm surprised that the military didn't seem to care why Scieszka and Winry were in the tunnel. Dang, the Elric brothers still don't know about Hughes's death.

I will try to watch the airing(s) for episode 40. An A- for episode 39.