I need some opinions

[Danielle]

My teacher is the head of the elective in my school for rocket building. He wants to test out a new experiment: he wants to tape a cockroach to the side of the rocket and shoot it up into the air. Most of the class were in favor of the idea. (Which makes sense, since the majority is boys.) Two girls were in favor, too ("EWW! KILL IT, KILL IT!), but the rest are all against it, including me. The good side of the experiment (according to my teacher) is the scientific knowlege we attain. The bad side.....well, you can figure out the bad side; killing live animals, abuse, etc.

So, what are all of your opinions?

[Calhoun07]

No "is it a soul" debates, please!! ;)

I am one for humane ways of disposing of bugs, catching them and letting them go, but hey, you have to have fun once in a while. BLAST IT TO MARS!

[The Mad Hatter]

Um.... er. So what scientific knowledge do we gain, exactly, by taping a cockroach to a rocket? How far cockroach guts will splatter?

[Sharklady]

That would be exactly my point of objection, Hatter.

Killing off cockroaches because you've got too many in your house might well be justified, but this sort of 'experiment' is just killing for amusement, and that's not a fit example for a teacher to set.

[Calhoun07]

Yeah, those Roach Hotels are sooooooo much better! :)

[Psycho Fox]

I got to go with Hatter too, I mean not only are you killing for no good reason your not really giving it a good death, imagine if it fell of the rocket while in med air.

[Nftnat]

I don't see what the problem is how it's killed. This is a cockroach we're talking about. However it dies is okkay with me. Most insects I see inside the house I might give it a chance to escape, & most I see outside I leave alone if it leaves me alone, but roaches are another thing. I have no love, like, or even casual regard lost for roaches. If you're going to send it up into space, tho, it might be a good idea to have a good reason.

[Danielle]

Originally posted by Psycho Fox
I got to go with Hatter too, I mean not only are you killing for no good reason your not really giving it a good death, imagine if it fell of the rocket while in med air.

Or if the rocket exploded; with the people in that group, it wouldn't be a surprise.

Originally posted by Nftnat
If you're going to send it up into space, tho, it might be a good idea to have a good reason.

OK, I'll admit something here; a cockroach bit him in the (*ahem* arse once. His reason is pretty much just a reason for revenge.

Originally posted by calhoun07
Yeah, those Roach Hotels are sooooooo much better!

Heck, those roach hotels are better than our Motel 6's! They made me plunge my own toilet!

Originally posted by Mad Hatter
Um.... er. So what scientific knowledge do we gain, exactly, by taping a cockroach to a rocket? How far cockroach guts will splatter?

That's the basic point. As I said before, the reason is revenge.


Originally posted by Sharklady
Killing off cockroaches because you've got too many in your house might well be justified, but this sort of 'experiment' is just killing for amusement, and that's not a fit example for a teacher to set.

Then again, I wouldn't be so sure with a teacher who only wants to die by driving/skydiving off a bridge..................yes, he was kidding. I'm not that gullible (emphasis on 'that')


Update: We are having a "professional" debate tomorrow. Two bad the only students whos dads are lawyers are on the other side. Next thing you know, this case is presented before the Supreme Court.

[Calhoun07]

Well, you might consider tying the teacher to the rocket!

[Narfpinky]

A better idea, and I think all the students would be behind it: See how many rockets it takes to lift your teacher's car 50 feet. ;)



But one thought that crosses my mind; granted, I'm not an aeronautics expert.

I don't know the size or weight of the rocket, but do consider that attaching an eccentric mass (the cockroach) to the rocket may cause it to veer into an arc if the added weight is not balanced out.

And for that matter, I don't know what the typical weight of a cockroach is, zort!



Narfpinky

[The Mad Hatter]

OK, I'll admit something here; a cockroach bit him in the (*ahem*) arse once. His reason is pretty much just a reason for revenge.


Muahahahaha! Dare to bite me in the arse, roach? See how your species likes it when I SEND ONE OF YOU INTO ORBIT!! (Maniacal laughter)

Oh, sheesh. That sounds like a strange prank Beavis and Butt-head would do. Without getting into a vivisection debate, I could concievably understand sacrificing a roach if the knowledge gained were something above and beyond what you could get in a book. But this... this is beyond roach abuse, this seems like a waste of class time. Honestly, I have absolutely no knowledge of this teacher beyond what you just told me, but my gut reaction to this is to question is teaching ability.

[DR. BELCH]

I didn't know cockroaches bit...and I won't even speculate on how one gained acess to your teacher's butt. http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/otn/angry/tdo3.gif
They are brainless invertebrates that spread disease and I have no qualms about crushing or poisoning them...though I fail to see the point of shooting one into orbit. It seems to me that it would get damaged in the process of taping it to the rocket, being fragile and all.
What ever happened to just mixing sugar and sulfuric acid in a beaker? No live animals get hurt or killed, and it's pretty d*** cool what happens....http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/otn/angry/newburn.gif

[James Harvey]

Just blast it. I don't see the harm that will come from one coakroach who is likely gonna be killed one way or another either via roach hotel or getting stepped on. At least let it go out in a cool way.

[Sharklady]

> Next thing you know, this case is presented before the Supreme Court. <

I think I've heard of a similar case which made it all the way to a State Supreme Court, at least. That was a high-school student who refused to dissect a frog in biology class; she considered it unnethical to cause the death of a creature just to demonstrate something that was already known. The court decided in her favor, and she was allowed to 'dissect' a computer-image frog instead.

Personally, I think schools should always respect any student's preference for not inflicting suffering and/ or death, even on simple creatures. The experiments used to teach grade-school science have always been done a million times before, so have no realistic chance of discovering any new knowledge (let alone any *vital* new knowledge.) So I don't think it's justifiable to kill animals for 'em.

[Calhoun07]

Originally posted by DickGrayson
Just blast it. I don't see the harm that will come from one coakroach who is likely gonna be killed one way or another either via roach hotel or getting stepped on. At least let it go out in a cool way.

That's what I'm sayin! The bug will have the time of his life in the last few moments he is alive! How many bugs will EVER get to experience that! This cockroach will go down in cock roach history!

[batboy2001]

I agree with Dick just blast that sucker. They carry disease anyway.:D

[James Harvey]

Maybe boycott! Just don't show up for the lift off if you don't want to see this go down. I honestly don't see the big deal. It's a cockroac that's gonna get killed anyways. I say - let it go out inna fun way!

[batboy2001]

This is kind of off topic but in Japan they can control a live coakroach vie remote control.

[Inque]

if you see one cockroach in your house, that means there's a LOT more hiding in your walls. there are way too many cockroaches on the earth. send it off to space!

[Danielle]

People really just wanna have fun, don't they?

Originally posted by calhoun07
Well, you might consider tying the teacher to the rocket!

We already did. Our rockets aren't big enough.

Originally posted by Nftnat
A better idea, and I think all the students would be behind it: See how many rockets it takes to lift your teacher's car 50 feet.

We tried that, too; except what we did was try and see how many rockets hit our teacher's car.

Originally posted by Mad Hatter
But this... this is beyond roach abuse, this seems like a waste of class time.

Not that we actually do anything in class.....(okay, we do.....but our teacher's really weird. In case you haven't noticed)

Originally posted by...EW! That's a butt!
What ever happened to just mixing sugar and sulfuric acid in a beaker? No live animals get hurt or killed, and it's pretty d*** cool what happens....

What's much cooler is lighting fire to this orange powder (forgot what it's called), and watching it blow up into a pile of ashes.



So, wht happened? Did we win?







































































































One of the girls saw the cockroach, screamed, and threw a glass beaker on top of it.

[Nftnat]

SL I remember that case in '86 I think it was. Somehow I lucked out in that I never had to do any of that biological dissection stuff, don't ask me how. It's prolly just as well; I would've fainted. Now blasting a roach is simultaneously cool & wasteful; is a roach worthy of such a Viking funeral, as it were?

Oh, & Danielle, I see you get NarfPinky & me confused again. and I do so well @ getting confused by myself, too.

[Sharklady]

> One of the girls saw the cockroach, screamed, and threw a glass beaker on top of it. <

That's a self-defeating reaction. The shards from a broken beaker have much greater potential to do harm, than any cockroach does. (BTW: they don't carry nearly as many germs as people do.)

[Danielle]

Originally posted by Nftnat (or is it Narfpinky??)
Oh, & Danielle, I see you get NarfPinky & me confused again. and I do so well @ getting confused by myself, too.

Argh! That's the 3rd time!

[Narfpinky]

Originally posted by Danielle


Argh! That's the 3rd time! (about the Nftnat/Narfpinky confusion)

Really? I thought it was only the second time, poit. :)

[Danielle]

Originally posted by Narfpinky


Really? I thought it was only the second time, poit. :)

No, no, there was those two times on the old boards, once when I started with Toonzone and the other when we had that whole thing about the mysterious anviler (we are NOT starting another thread on that, 'kay? This was just mentioned for...uh...a reason), and this is the third time! 1+1+1=3. A+A=B+A=C (okay, that's enough. Don't wanna overload my poor little brain)

[Dante Bunny]

Originally posted by Danielle
Okay, that's enough. Don't wanna overload my poor little brain

The last time you overload your brain, you went insane. No offence.
Hey that rhymes, brain, insane!

Besides, cockroaches my be look icky, but it could survive a nuclear war and a new race of species is born.

(in Dexter's voice) We're doomed!:(

[gfoyle]

I was involved in a similiar project, but there was a reason behind it and maybe your teacher has more of a motive than you've already stated (hopefully he'll say so during your debate). We tried to design so as to send the roach up and retrieve it safley, thus learning the difficulty faced by earlier rocket scientists. We ran five different designs and every roach survived the trip (but there are many factors for that other than the saftey of the designs), but we terminated the pests upon thier return.

[Calhoun07]

Originally posted by batboy2001
This is kind of off topic but in Japan they can control a live coakroach vie remote control.

FINALLY! A toy I really want! How do I get one?

[Craig Marinaro]

Danielle queries:

People really just wanna have fun, don't they?

Girls in particular. Or so I hear.

Dick Grayson sagely advises:

At least let it go out in a cool way.

Boy's got a point. I if were a cockroach (which I don't think I am...although there always is the debate about the discrepancies between perception and reality...they say the sky isn't technically blue, it just looks that way to us because of the chemicals and stuff up there...but then, if it contains the chemicals that make it look blue to us, doesn't that mean that it then *IS* blue?...does everyone see the same color blue when they look at the sky, or does everyone see a different shade?...does the color you see vary with your mood?...what about colorblind people?...say, did I spell 'discrepancies' correctly?...now I have to look in the dictionary....yep, I did...I wish Brian hadn't nuked the spell check, it was the only feature I used at all on this Board...well, besides the "submit message" feature, naturally...and the quoting and italicizing and stuff, but then I did that easily enough on the old Board with HTML...and I still don't know what PHP is supposed to do...and, um...wow, I should probably close the parentheses and get back to the main point!), I should much rather...........................uh......................................

I forget.

Sharklady informs:

The shards from a broken beaker have much greater potential to do harm, than any cockroach does. (BTW: they don't carry nearly as many germs as people do.)

What, shards?

Danielle arghs:

That's the 3rd time!

And I always thought that was the charm!

Of course, you're aaaalways sooooo charming, I suppose you must have just run out by the end of the week. You shall have to go buy more now, I suppose.

Danielle just asks for it:

when we had that whole thing about the mysterious anviler (we are NOT starting another thread on that, 'kay? This was just mentioned for...uh...a reason),

Ah-ha! And I deduce that that reason *IS*...

Oh, I'm sorry. Where are my manners? We must start with formalities...

I suppose you are wondering why I have called you all here tonight!

Er, this morning!

Well, actually, it's twenty-five to twelve now. By the time we're done, I should think it will be afternoon. After all, detectiving is rather a lengthy process. So, for the sake of accuracy, would you all mind too much if we just waited twenty-six or so minutes? I think you will find it mutually benificial to all involved, in the long run. Feel free to go and grab a cheese sandwich or some such, and be back here by noon or so... I'll just occupy myself by fiddling with all the pockets in my neat detective-y trenchcoat...you know, I have no idea what's in half of these, and...

::clong::

Oh, poo. There goes Gookie! And he'd just gotten back too. Terribly inconsiderate of him to get himself anvilled now. I explicitly asked everyone to wait until noon. *sigh* Well, I suppose the game is afoot, or somesuch.

-C
Official ToonZone P.I.

[batboy2001]

I don't think they are for sale Calhoun. The remote control sends electric pulses to the cockroach and some how different pulses make it move different ways.

[Danielle]

Originally posted by Craig


Girls in particular. Or so I hear.

But...what?...oh....huh?...never mind.

Orignally posted by Sharklady...
The shards from a broken beaker have much greater potential to do harm, than any cockroach does. (BTW: they don't carry nearly as many germs as people do.)

Unto which Craig quoteth:
What, shards?

No, potential.

[QUOTE]
Well, I suppose the game is afoot, or somesuch.

No, the game's agame.

[QUOTE]
Official ToonZone P.I.

Official ToonZone Picnic Intruder? Were you that guy who stole my basket last Sunday?



Ugh, I could see that coming from a mile away. The response, not the anvil. Well, I could kinda see the anvil because I could see the response and the response has to do with an anvil and if Craig responded like that, he surely had to put in an anvil somewhere or the other...

I did ask for it, didn't I? Um, is this a good time to confess that I was the mysterious anviler last time? No? Okay.

Oops.

[Dante Bunny]

Originally posted by Danielle
Were you that guy who stole that basket last Sunday?


Yogi: Hey Boo Boo, there's another pic-a-nic basket with my name on it.


I got the evidence Danielle, it was Yogi who stole your basket.

[Peace Keeper]

Death by rocket? Why, he should be so lucky! If I were a bug, I would jump at the chance. I bet it will survive the launch anyway. Roaches are not "fragile." As long as the rocket doesn't catch on fire, he'll be fine.

Besides, it's not like they're endangered.

[DR. BELCH]

Well...like I said before, what was the fastening medium used--Scotch tape? I imagine it would take a delicate touch to fasten the little bugger to the rocket...not too tight or he'd be flattened, but not too loose so he'd wriggle free. With my big thumbs I'd probably have accidentally crushed his thorax.http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/games/poke/014p.gif
Roaches may carry fewer germs than me, but at least I don't sneak into your kitchen and crawl on your food when you're not looking.
Then there's that old urban legend about dog mouths being cleaner than humans...considering the grotesque list of items I've seen dogs eat over the years, I hold that one very suspect, higher body temperature (around 100-102 deg. F avg) not withstanding. http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/otn/tongue/11zlick.gif

[Calhoun07]

Originally posted by batboy2001
I don't think they are for sale Calhoun. The remote control sends electric pulses to the cockroach and some how different pulses make it move different ways.

Bummer.

When can I start using this technology on hewmons? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[Danielle]

You wicked, wicked person! :mad:

Uh, what's a hewmon?

[Dante Bunny]

:eek: Not Hewmons! Anything but Hewmons! :confused: Wait a minute, what's a Hewmon?

[Sharklady]

'Hewmon' is the Feringe pronounciation of 'Human.'

I get the impression it's meant to be at least slightly derogatory.

[Danielle]

Oh.

(pause)

You wicked, wicked person!

[Dante Bunny]

:eek: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!






(Hides under the bed)

(Silently) Help. He's experimenting us.



(loudly) HELP! I WANT TO LIVE, I WANT MY G.E.D., I WANT TO GO TO CAL. ARTS. I WANT TO WORK WITH GENNDY TARTAKOVSKY, CRAIG McCRACKEN, JOHN McINTYRE, CINDY BANKS, AND CLAYTON MORROW, MARRIED A PERFECT WOMAN AND RAISED CHILDREN, LIVE YOUNG IN MY SENIOR YEARS AND DIE OLD!!!!!

[Danielle]

Originally posted by G.I. D'oh!
MARRIED A PERFECT WOMAN

According to men, that's virtually impossible. According to men. I consider myself perfect :p .

[Peace Keeper]

Hey Danielle, are you going to print this out and show your teacher? <<I guess that wouldn't make much sense, since the poll shows the majority is against you.>>



G I D'oh.

Are you male or female. And what is a project chick?

[Dante Bunny]

Actually, I'm a male, it's hard to find good alvatars these days, I'm trying to find an alvatar that is a right size. You ever listen to rap music these days, like Juvinile and the Cash Money Millionares, they made a rap song "Give me a Project Chick." on the album they replace the word chick to B%$#! That's rap artist for ya'll. So I keep finding bigger pictures on each web page and none of them fits, can you help me fit some to make it 75 X 75 Pixels?

[Peace Keeper]

Originally posted by DR. BELCH
I imagine it would take a delicate touch to fasten the little bugger to the rocket...not too tight or he'd be flattened, but not too loose so he'd wriggle free. With my big thumbs I'd probably have accidentally crushed his thorax.

Who are you, Lenny Smalls?


This is obviously just away for your teacher to get the attention of the class. He wants to get you guyz interested in the experiment, and he figures this will appeal to the boys, b/c boys like to kill and torture things.

[Sharklady]

> This is obviously just away for your teacher to get the attention of the class. He wants to get you guyz interested in the experiment, and he figures this will appeal to the boys, b/c boys like to kill and torture things. <

Well, not *all* boys. But it does happen, and it shouldn't be encouraged. That's why I think a teacher shouldn't be setting such a bad example.

[DR. BELCH]

PEACE KEEPER
Who are you, Lenny Smalls?
Quien es Lenny Smalls? Does he have large thumbs too? http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/otn/wink/zzawink.gif

DANIELLE, on the perfect man:
According to men, that's virtually impossible...I consider myself perfect.
For whom? http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/otn/evil/evil_lol.gif
The concept of a "perfect woman" is relative. In the past I've said half-jokingly that to me the perfect woman would have the face of a goddess and the mouth of a drunken sailor. http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/otn/funny/gorgeous.gif
My concern is that I'll find a woman I really care about and my family will despise her. :rolleyes:
My brother up and married a woman who my mother adores and my other brother hates--he spends a lot of time over at their house, oddly enough, but after he comes home he badmouths her at every opportunity.http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/otn/confused/shrug03.gif
I suppose any woman who wants to make points with my mom will have to give her presents that are either cat-related or purple.

As far as the whole roach thing goes..."bad example" doesn't come to mind, but I still don't see what it proves. The aforementioned sugar and acid experiment would capture a boy's attention just fine. At least when I dissected cats my junior year in high school they'd been properly killed and prepared, and it was for educational purposes (studying/naming the muscle structures). I still have both skins on my wall as a momento....http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/otn/animals/catsmiley.gif

[Psycho Fox]

Originally posted by DR. BELCH
The concept of a "perfect woman" is relative. In the past I've said half-jokingly that to me the perfect woman would have the face of a goddess and the mouth of a drunken sailor.
Hmmm have to agree with you on that since my idea of a perfect women wouldn't really have have a moth of a drunken sailor.

My concern is that I'll find a woman I really care about and my family will despise her. :rolleyes:
My brother up and married a woman who my mother adores and my other brother hates--he spends a lot of time over at their house, oddly enough, but after he comes home he badmouths her at every opportunity.http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/otn/confused/shrug03.gif
I suppose any woman who wants to make points with my mom will have to give her presents that are either cat-related or purple.
Uhhh persoanlly I don't really care what my parents (or rest of my family) thinks about my choice in women don't get me wrong I value their input but in the end the relationship is between me and her and I'm the one that has to but effort into the relasionship not them

[Danielle]

Your smilies didn't show up, DR BELCH! That be a fitting punishment for the former torturer.

Originally posted by Peace Keeper
Who are you, Lenny Smalls?

Who is Lenny Smalls? (I have a feeling someone's gonna say 'Pete Rose's half brother'...no, I still haven't forgiven you for that, you-know who)

Originally posted by DR BELCH
In the past I've said half-jokingly that to me the perfect woman would have the face of a goddess and the mouth of a drunken sailor.

Half-jokingly? Uh-oh.

Originally posted by Peace Keeper
This is obviously just away for your teacher to get the attention of the class. He wants to get you guyz interested in the experiment, and he figures this will appeal to the boys, b/c boys like to kill and torture things.

I agree with Sharklady, not all boys....unless we are talking about that boy who used to go to my school who skewered the black beetles scuttering all over the place...

Originally posted beforehand by Peace Keeper....hey, I don't have to go in chronological order...
Hey Danielle, are you going to print this out and show your teacher? <<I guess that wouldn't make much sense, since the poll shows the majority is against you.>>


I don't think so. My teacher's a psycho. But there's only one week of school left, and he's not coming back next year. I think I'll survive. But we never tied the roach on, so it's alright.

Of course, there is the little matter about the red pepper (which has been sitting above the chalkboard in our class for, oh, eternity) that he is going to eat IN FRONT OF US. Right now, we're begging him just to do it the period after lunch, then we'll move up higher into asking him to purposely suspend us.


Wow, 2049 characters! And I can do...20,000! Woo-hoo!

Actually, I have nothing else to write. I'll have to save that for another time. Oh, well. (Note: All prepare for a 19,999-character post tomorrow)

[Peace Keeper]

Quien es Lenny Smalls? Does he have large thumbs too?

Shame on you for not knowing, DR. BELCH. You are an author (or at least an aspiring one.) Didn't you guyz ever have to read OF MICE AND MEN in school? Lenny Smalls (ironic name) was the big retarded guy with an inclination to pet soft things; Especially animals. Although he ment well, Lenny didn't know his own strength and would end up unwittingly crushing the animals he loved so much.

[Nftnat]

Oh yeah! I remember now. He wanted to have a pet, especially a mouse or a rabbit, I think it was a rabbit, & he would love him & pet him & stroke him & hug him & cuddle him & name him George. But then he'd do a bad thing, George, he done a baaaad thing! Altho I never knew his last name. Believe it or not I never actually read Of Mice & Men.

[Sharklady]

> Hmmm have to agree with you on that since my idea of a perfect women wouldn't really have have a moth of a drunken sailor. <

Indeed! Moths raised by drunken sailors tend to be nothing but trouble; they'll eat your stored wool socks, flap noisily against lamps when you're trying to sleep, and tear the last chapters out of your mystery novels.

On the other hand, accountants and podiatrists have a rep for turning out much better-behaved moths; the sort that make gentle tapping sounds against your windowscreens, pollenate gardens, and leave petal-colored wings strewn across your porch.

You just gotta make sure you find out, what kind of upbringing your woman's moth has had.

[Dante Bunny]

I might been overreacted at that last post about me worried about the "Hewmon" experement. Oh well, I'm going to bed wake up tomorrow morning, go out of town for my GED test, I have to get up at 5:30 a.m. so my teacher will leave at 6:45 a.m. and arrive in Hattiesburg at 8:00 a.m. I hope I could remember everything. Well (yarn) good night everybody!!:o (I use that simile for me sleeping).

[Psycho Fox]

Originally posted by Sharklady
> Hmmm have to agree with you on that since my idea of a perfect women wouldn't really have have a moth of a drunken sailor. <

Indeed! Moths raised by drunken sailors tend to be nothing but trouble; they'll eat your stored wool socks, flap noisily against lamps when you're trying to sleep, and tear the last chapters out of your mystery novels.

On the other hand, accountants and podiatrists have a rep for turning out much better-behaved moths; the sort that make gentle tapping sounds against your windowscreens, pollenate gardens, and leave petal-colored wings strewn across your porch.

You just gotta make sure you find out, what kind of upbringing your woman's moth has had.

Uhh that was a typeo should have been mouth but what you said surprisingly made sence (I think)

[DR. BELCH]

PEACE KEEPER chides
Shame on you for not knowing, DR. BELCH. You are an author (or at least an aspiring one.) Didn't you guyz ever have to read OF MICE AND MEN in school? Lenny Smalls (ironic name) was the big retarded guy with an inclination to pet soft things...[he]didn't know his own strength and would end up unwittingly crushing the animals he loved so much.
Ah, yes, now I remember. It's been nearly ten years since I read the play. Actually, it's practically a repressed memory, because I had such a bad time with it. You see, I was playing Lenny's part, and decided to do it in a Stan Freberg-type voice (i.e. Pete Puma, Junior Bear). "George" was performed by a black girl (?) who didn't know her script from her left nostril, fudged every other line, and couldn't emote worth a flying frig. Long story short, she dragged my grade down (plus I don't think the teacher had much of a sense of humor or even knew who Freberg was, so she dimissed my performance as "too cartoony").
Still, crushing a bug isn't like breaking a mouse's neck--that'd take a bit more effort, I'd think. I've never killed a mouse with my bare hands, but those who say animals kill only for food should watch what a cat does with a mouse. If they'd just kill and eat it, fine, but d*** if they don't parade about the house throwing the corpse up in the air and bodyslamming it as if to say "Look what I did!" :rolleyes:

PSYCHO FOX:
...I don't really care what my parents...thinks about my choice in women...in the end the relationship is between me and her and I'm the one that has to but effort into the relasionship not them
A good point...and I don't worry about it for myself; I have to consider her feelings, esp. if she's a sensitive girl. Quiet disapproval is one thing, but I can't ahve my brother making hurtful comments possibly to her face. Though I have to realize that they aren't all china dolls; some women can give just as good as recieve. Who knows, my brother might actually respect a dame who can cuss him under the table. :eek:

[Psycho Fox]

Originally posted by DR. BELCH
Still, crushing a bug isn't like breaking a mouse's neck--that'd take a bit more effort, I'd think. I've never killed a mouse with my bare hands, but those who say animals kill only for food should watch what a cat does with a mouse. If they'd just kill and eat it, fine, but d*** if they don't parade about the house throwing the corpse up in the air and bodyslamming it as if to say "Look what I did!" :rolleyes:
Actully that is just the cat practising, see even though the cat does not need to kill the mouse for food they will kill it to exersise their hunting skill (if you don't use it you lose it) which is the same reason why fox cubs hunt bugs even when their mother's milk has more nurturance .


A good point...and I don't worry about it for myself; I have to consider her feelings, esp. if she's a sensitive girl. Quiet disapproval is one thing, but I can't ahve my brother making hurtful comments possibly to her face. Though I have to realize that they aren't all china dolls; some women can give just as good as recieve. Who knows, my brother might actually respect a dame who can cuss him under the table. :eek:

Hmmmm maybe you can both keep poking him relentlessly till he says uncle.

[Sharklady]

> Quiet disapproval is one thing, but I can't have my brother making hurtful comments possibly to her face. <

If your brother ever does something like that, I'd suggest you have a serious Brother to Brother talk with him.

The links between siblings are among the most durable this life has to offer, but even they've got limits. And there's some misbehaviors that nobody should feel any obligation to tolerate.