So who's buying a 360 at launch?

[Keiichi]

With the 360's launch a mere 3 weeks away who's already pre ordered and who's going to go out in hopes of finding one? I'm on the fence right now. After playing Kameo and COD 2 I'm really interested but, then theres the chance the first batch of systems could be buggy.

[Yash]

Not me. I'd rather wait until Christmas so I could freeload.

[Sigma]

Im picking up the 360 at launch along with Kameo, Perfect Dark Zero, and Dead or Alive 4. I also will pick up a play & charge kit as well as Obilivion when it comes out a couple of weeks later.

This will be a very expensive month.

[Keiichi]

Oblivion's been pushed back til next year. :sad:

[Zyzzybalubah]

At the launch, no, but later more than likely one way or the other. Right now though, I've decided my first two next gen purchases will be Revolution (I need Nintendo 1st Party titles!) and PlayStation 3 (yes Resident Evil 5 will be for 360 too, but PS3 is right now the only one getting Metal Gear Solid 4!)

X360 should be pretty cool though. I mean PD0 looks great and so do many of the other launch titles (Quake 4, Kameo might be, etc.) and I'm sure Ninja Gaiden 2 will be coming to 360 (it could come to PS3 though if the Tecmo creator really wants to go for the console with the best graphics.)

[Sigma]

Oblivion's been pushed back til next year. :sad: I just read about that moments ago, sadly school and work prevent me from checking news till later in the night. Kinda sucks, but im not suprised. It's actually kinda good gives me time to play other games and save a bit of cash.

[Strollymonster]

Not unless I suddenly inherit several thousand dollars.

Even then, I generally don't go in for systems at launch. A combination of higher pricing and lack of games usually make me wait for things I want.

When it comes to the 360, the only game I see that interests me is PD:0, and even then, I'm not sure how the multiplayer will pan out.

I'm too poor for videogames right now, honestly. The only thing I'd like to get is that Hulk game.

[Kenshirou]

I was up until this week... With all these delays and performance issues, its starting to look like a "meh" launch for me. I'll wait 'til March/April when more stuff is out.

[Dirtbag]

Assuming I can find one I will. I don't have the original X-Box, so even with the delays playing some of the old games I missed out on will help make up for it.

[Humble]

...with the fact that I have yet to see launch titles that warrent an immediate purchase of a new system. Oh well. :shrug:
-Humble

[Tak Mazé]

I'll be deciding after all 3 consoles have been out a while :) I'm perfectly happy with what I've got right now and do not want to waste money just yet.

[Psycho Fox]

The launch price is far too high for me. $299 for the striped down model with no pack-in even for $399 and I have yet to see it blow the current generation of hardware out of the water, it is not like how Dreamcast made the PSX look like a dinosaur, you could probably get the X-box to do the same if you went under the OS and written directly to the hardware in assembly yet you have to admit no matter how good your are as a programer you can't get the PSX to look anything close to Dreamcast launch titles.

[Nin-Nin69]

With all of the exciting new games that are out/comming soon, there's no need for the 360 as of now.

[g_UnIt_GaNsTa]

I'm probably going to pick it up, but I won't paint my face green, go to the mall at 6 P.M., and shout "MASTER CHIEF!!!! HALO 3!!!!" while in line, waiting for six hours for the damn thing to come out.

[Adam Tyner]

I'm probably going to pick it up, but I won't paint my face green, go to the mall at 6 P.M., and shout "MASTER CHIEF!!!! HALO 3!!!!" while in line, waiting for six hours for the damn thing to come out.Ha! Yeah, I'll be right there with you. In spirit, at least. I have a 24-hour Wal-Mart across the street from my house, so I'm probably going to roll in there around 9 PM and keep checking back periodically to see if/when I need to wait in a line. I'm going to try to get one at launch, but if I can't scare one up and have to wait a few weeks, I don't care. I've been playing video games for my entire life, and this would be the first time I've ever bought a console at launch. (I bought the Atari Lynx within a month or two of launch, if that counts, which...it doesn't.)

[Chad Bonin]

I'm gonna wait until Post-Christmas to have some Christmas Cash... save 19% on the system when the games come out...

[Invader_Spooch]

Oblivion's been pushed back til next year. :sad:
Where did you get that information? Every source I've been to (RPGFan, IGN, Gamestop.com, bethesa's website, Amazon.com etc.) has it listed as a December 5th release date, with no mention of a push back.

If you have a source, then link it. :shrug:

[Chad Bonin]

Um.... IGN.com.

[EscaflownePilot]

I'm planning on getting it at launch now, although I don't have it reserved anywhere. I guess I'll be waiting in line at Best Buy come launch day, and if all they have are core systems, then I highly doubt I'll buy it. There's no point in spending $500 to get all the things you can get in one big package for $400.

I originally wasn't going to get it at launch, but I figured, since the PS3 likely won't be released until 2007 (my bet is on Christmas of 2007) and I don't forsee any kind of a price drop on the 360 until then, and although this holiday season is pretty nice looking on ALL the consoles, after that they all kind of go downhill. Besides, it's been a long time since we've had a launch line-up as good as the 360's (even with Oblivion being delayed). So what if there's no Halo-quality killer app? Even if a majority of the launch titles end up being only really good, it's as good if not better than the typical launch of having one really really great game and then nothing but mediocre titles outside of it.

Uh... yeah... as you can see, I'm still trying to justify this decision to myself... but, since most of it is just going to be an early Christmas present from my parents, and I'm pretty excited about some online PGR3 and PD:0 action, I guess I have nothing to lose save for the couple of hours I'll be waiting inline for it. *shrugs*

[Keiichi]

Where did you get that information? Every source I've been to (RPGFan, IGN, Gamestop.com, bethesa's website, Amazon.com etc.) has it listed as a December 5th release date, with no mention of a push back.If you have a source, then link it. :shrug:
According to the announcement, which offers lowered guidance for fiscal 2005 and 2006, Oblivion has been moved from the company's first quarter, which ends in January, to its second quarter -- February through April 2006.

For Q1 2006, the company now expects to post $300 to $350 million in net sales -- numbers which reflect the delay of Bethesda's ambitious RPG sequel.

So far, neither Take-Two nor Bethesda have offered reasons for pushing back Oblivion, though given the game's scope, many expected the title may not reach stores in time for holiday shopping.

We'll be back as we learn more.

Taken from IGN (http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/663/663056p1.html)

[Zach]

With Oblivion pushed back, I shall wait until it is released to buy the 360. (I was unimpressed by the system when I played it at Walmart)

[Shnay]

I won't be getting it at launch, but I might consider picking it up as early as the first price drop.

[Artimus Gigan]

Mine won't be coming in at launch, but it will be in a week or so after

[Deadman]

I'll probally get it in a year or 2

[Romey]

Gonna wait for a price drop and / or Gears of War, myself.

The launch price is far too high for me. $299 for the striped down model with no pack-in even for $399 and I have yet to see it blow the current generation of hardware out of the water, it is not like how Dreamcast made the PSX look like a dinosaur, you could probably get the X-box to do the same if you went under the OS and written directly to the hardware in assembly...What titles have you been looking at? Sure, it's true that a disappointingly large number of games are barely beyond the original Xbox's capabilities, I won't argue with that. However, a few games (generally not launch titles) do manage to show off what the system's actually capable of.

Blame the developers.

--Romey

[GWOtaku]

There's never enough good games at first to justify paying top price when a console launches. Within a matter of months its going to get its first price cut, and then probably again when its time for the next new console to come out. I don't know if I'll buy a console this generation or not but I'm going so sit back, see what comes out, and wait to see how the Revolution does in comparison.

[Noukon]

I will buy one when they drop the prices on accessories. For what it is, the console isn't too expensive, but prices like $50 for controllers and $100 apiece for a hard drive and wireless adapter make the total buy-in cost way too high.

[Psycho Fox]

What titles have you been looking at? Sure, it's true that a disappointingly large number of games are barely beyond the original Xbox's capabilities, I won't argue with that. However, a few games (generally not launch titles) do manage to show off what the system's actually capable of.

Blame the developers.

--Romey

Look Sega has been picked on for scewing up launches (SG-1000, SMS,Genesis, Game Gear,Sega CD, 32x, Saturn. Sega only got the Dreamcast right in terms of launch titles). NEC also dropped the ball by not having launch titles to show the TG-16 was more powerful the NES and by the time they got games NES was old news and NEC's hardware was looking a bit old. Commodore really messed up with the CD32, the CD32 was more powerful then the Neo-Geo hardware wise but never had any titles to show the public what that power under the hood could do.


Does the 360 hardware look good, yes. Does it have potential for good games, yes. Basicly I am worried 360 could turn out another TG-16, NEC had basically unlimmited funds like MS yet NEC proved money can't solve incompentant managment. If the 360 fails MS could say look X-Box wasn't much of a financial success and the 360 is not doing well so lets do what NEC did and sneek out of the market. Sony is still strong and Nintendo may be having a comeback so MS is looking at strong compeition meaning they really can't afford their arrogance and incompentence.

[auto]

I'll wait for the price of the Playstation 3 and the Revolution to be released before plopping down the $400 for an Xbox 360.

[ZeroFate]

Nah, I won't be picking one up. Right now I got my hands full with GTA:LCS, Resident Evil 4, Shadow of the Colossus & Xmen Legends 2. Not to mention a few great PS2 RPGs are being released: Kingdom Hearts 2, Final Fantasy XII and Dragon Quest VIII.

I have a feeling I'm gonna be kept pretty busy until the PS3 is released. If it's reasonably priced I'll probably be picking one up when it's released. Later on I might end up getting a 360, but as of now... no.

[Keiichi]

Good lord, this 360 (http://media.putfile.com/360ad) commercial is just stupid.

[Romey]

Does the 360 hardware look good, yes. Does it have potential for good games, yes.Didn't really answer my question. You can only put so much blame on MS for the 360 launch. They had a lot of developers lined up, but many third parties fell behind and couldn't make it for the launch. That's not MS's fault. Many other third parties who have made the deadline still have no clue how to develop properly for the upcoming generation. That's not MS's fault either.

--Romey

[Zyzzybalubah]

...with the fact that I have yet to see launch titles that warrent an immediate purchase of a new system. Oh well. :shrug:
-Humble
Hmm.. it may not be the greatest, but if you compare it to PS2 or some earlier consoles, it's not that bad IMO. They got plenty of sports titles for the fans of those, Quake 4 and Perfect Dark Zero for the first person shooter fans, and interesting new titles like Kameo (although we can't gurantee that will be great.) I guess we'll see how it does in the reviews and the people's response after the launch.

[atf487]

If I had money for this stuff, I would buy one. But seeing how I really don't have the money, I'll wait till the core is sub-200 before I'll buy.

As for the other consoles, I'm really interested in the revolution because it's going to be the only true next generation system. The jump in graphics is not going to be amazing as it was last generation.

Oh, and the PS3 is not even a factor; it's been pushed back to 2007, and added to the rumored 500.00 price point, there is no reason to wait for it.

[Keiichi]

As for the other consoles, I'm really interested in the revolution because it's going to be the only true next generation system. The jump in graphics is not going to be amazing as it was last generation.It seems silly to call the revolution the only "true" next gen system when we know next to nothing about it. As for graphics sure we are'nt going to see a big leap right off the bat but as time goes by we'll see much better looking graphics.

Oh, and the PS3 is not even a factor; it's been pushed back to 2007, and added to the rumored 500.00 price point, there is no reason to wait for it.Those are nothing but rumors right now.

[Noukon]

You can only put so much blame on MS for the 360 launch. They had a lot of developers lined up, but many third parties fell behind and couldn't make it for the launch. That's not MS's fault.
That could accurately be blamed on the fact that the 360 is being released so quickly, which is MS's fault. It isn't a big deal, though; they do have a good launch lineup, regardless of all the delays.

[Romey]

That could accurately be blamed on the fact that the 360 is being released so quickly, which is MS's fault. It isn't a big deal, though; they do have a good launch lineup, regardless of all the delays.The games in question did have an earlier release date, though. Anyway, a holiday release for a console is almost always going to be a better financial decision than a spring release (when many of the delayed games should be ready), and there's little reason to hold a ready-to-launch system back an entire year for next fall just because of a few stragglers. That being said, the 360 better darn well have a solid launch as far as hardware's concerned...

--Romey

[Psycho Fox]

Didn't really answer my question. You can only put so much blame on MS for the 360 launch. They had a lot of developers lined up, but many third parties fell behind and couldn't make it for the launch. That's not MS's fault. Many other third parties who have made the deadline still have no clue how to develop properly for the upcoming generation. That's not MS's fault either.

--Romey

MS made the hardware so it should be helping its devlopers. MS should be seriously thinking of pushing back the launch if their devlopment kits are not making it easy enough for devolpers, as the Playstation beat the Saturn mostly due to better devlopment tools, a number of devlopers agreed the Saturn had alot of potential but in the end PSX was easier to develop for.

MS size won't protect the 360 from Sony's momentum, basicly the 360 is the little guy and if MS is not careful it could see first hand the problems Sega had.

[Martianinvader]

I originally wasn't going to get it at launch, but I figured, since the PS3 likely won't be released until 2007 (my bet is on Christmas of 2007)
Two years from now? Nuh-uh.....

Sony released the first one in 1994.
They released the second one in 2000.
They'll release the third one in 2006. See, they're each six years apart.

Even without that argument, come on.......2007? Even Nintendo will have launched by then.

[Romey]

MS made the hardware so it should be helping its devlopers.What, exactly, do you expect them to help with?

MS should be seriously thinking of pushing back the launch if their devlopment kits are not making it easy enough for devolpers...Err, who said difficulty with the dev kits was the problem? Among those who are actually pushing the hardware properly, there's a huge pile of other development issues for the upcoming generation that aren't directly hardware or dev kit related.

...as the Playstation beat the Saturn mostly due to better devlopment tools...Yet development tool problems made no difference for the PS2...

MS size won't protect the 360 from Sony's momentum, basicly the 360 is the little guy and if MS is not careful it could see first hand the problems Sega had.MS can afford to bleed money all it wants, for the forseeable future. If this generation doesn't pan out, I'm quite sure they'll try again. I doubt they'll be seeing any of Sega's problems anytime soon. Sony may have the most momentum, but they're taking some huge risks of their own.

--Romey

[Zapages]

If I win one, then its great... If not then no xbox360 for me... But the controller is the best controller ever for video game console for me at least.

[Psycho Fox]

What, exactly, do you expect them to help with?

Err, who said difficulty with the dev kits was the problem? Among those who are actually pushing the hardware properly, there's a huge pile of other development issues for the upcoming generation that aren't directly hardware or dev kit related.

I was talking about those that are not pushing the hardware.


Yet development tool problems made no difference for the PS2...

Sony had momentum.


MS can afford to bleed money all it wants, for the forseeable future. If this generation doesn't pan out, I'm quite sure they'll try again.

It gets costly thus why NEC eventually just left the market, also if too many of their systems flops then like Atari people may avoid their systems.


I doubt they'll be seeing any of Sega's problems anytime soon. Sony may have the most momentum, but they're taking some huge risks of their own.

--Romey
It doesn't take long before a system is shut out from the mainstrem market. Also MS should worry about Sony taking risks, Sega tried its hand with the PC market with the SC-3000, Teradrive and Amstrad Megadrive, of course Sega was being Sega and they didn't do too well but Sony may also try to use its momentum to enter the PC market.

[Artimus Gigan]

It doesn't take long before a system is shut out from the mainstrem market. Also MS should worry about Sony taking risks, Sega tried its hand with the PC market with the SC-3000, Teradrive and Amstrad Megadrive, of course Sega was being Sega and they didn't do too well but Sony may also try to use its momentum to enter the PC market.Erm Sony owns Everquest, as in the one of the most big ass MMORPG series ever

Sony also makes computers like the Sony Vaio line of machines

[Psycho Fox]

Erm Sony owns Everquest, as in the one of the most big ass MMORPG series ever

Sony also makes computers like the Sony Vaio line of machinesI ment Sony making its own PC system like Sega and Atari did. For example think of the PS3 turned into a home computer.

[Artimus Gigan]

I ment Sony making its own PC system like Sega and Atari did. For example think of the PS3 turned into a home computer.All the consoles use parts from other companies, they are not all made with components from their mother companies.

Sony has a line of home computers already and other CPU devices like Palm Pilots and such IIRC. I have an old Vaio, it's braned with the Sony ensign on the CPU itself and the monitor/speaker combo. It even came with a quasi-OS that sony made.

[Psycho Fox]

All the consoles use parts from other companies, they are not all made with components from their mother companies.

Sony has a line of home computers already and other CPU devices like Palm Pilots and such IIRC. I have an old Vaio, it's braned with the Sony ensign on the CPU itself and the monitor/speaker combo. It even came with a quasi-OS that sony made.Right but for the most part the Vaio is a IBM compatible, it is not even like Sega's terra drive that offered SMD chipsets (it would be like if the Vaio had Playstation chipsets so not only you could playt playstation games off your Vaio but devlopers could make games that use of both the IBM compat and PlayStation parts at the same time).

What I'm talking is going even farther and Sony creating their own system based on Playstation technolgy, meaning under the hood would be basicly a upgradable PS3 not a x86.

[EscaflownePilot]

Two years from now? Nuh-uh.....

Sony released the first one in 1994.
They released the second one in 2000.
They'll release the third one in 2006. See, they're each six years apart.

Even without that argument, come on.......2007? Even Nintendo will have launched by then.Sure, in theory. But with how unhappy the developers are with the dev kits and how un-stabalized the specs for blu-ray are, Sony has a LOT of crap to somehow pull togethor in only about 1 year.
It's great to say "Sony did it 6 years apart each time so they should this time too" but the hardware doesn't just build and stabalize itself, especially when you're going with brand new technology. It's not that they aren't aiming for this kinda' time, but it will be hard to make happen. It's not that they couldn't potentially make it, but I have my doubts.

[Psycho Fox]

Sure, in theory. But with how unhappy the developers are with the dev kits

It is possible for Sony to fix that in a year

and how un-stabalized the specs for blu-ray are, Sony has a LOT of crap to somehow pull togethor in only about 1 year.

Worse comes to worse Sony can change the media without breaking game code too badly.

It's great to say "Sony did it 6 years apart each time so they should this time too" but the hardware doesn't just build and stabalize itself, especially when you're going with brand new technology. It's not that they aren't aiming for this kinda' time, but it will be hard to make happen. It's not that they couldn't potentially make it, but I have my doubts.
Commodore, Atari and Sega use to stablize hardware with brandnew technology in tight timeframes (with much less resources then Sony) all the time so its is not like it is a great feat it just requires skilled staff.

[peacebyanymeans]

Two years from now? Nuh-uh.....

Sony released the first one in 1994.
They released the second one in 2000.
They'll release the third one in 2006. See, they're each six years apart.

Even without that argument, come on.......2007? Even Nintendo will have launched by then.
No, the PS1 was released in 1995, which would make your arguement not hold water.

And with the recent overheating of Dev Kits (because Sony forgot to put a fan in them) Sony, may just have to push the release back to 2007. Hell, the only reason they're not saying it right now is because they want to gamer to hold off on the 360 and think the PS3 will be out soon. But I still think a Spring 2006 release is very unrealistic.

[Psycho Fox]

No, the PS1 was released in 1995

December 1994 in Japan

And with the recent overheating of Dev Kits (because Sony forgot to put a fan in them) Sony, may just have to push the release back to 2007.

Devlopers can fix that themselfs, they just need to take the case off and if need be have a fan blow on it. Of course Sony should be telling the devlopers this. This is why Sony might someday think turning the Playstation in a computer (like how hackers slaped Linux on the PS2 to make it somewhat a useful computer but) as it would be easier for devlopment as the devlopment kits would be just the computer version of the Playstation like how Atari just told devlopers to get a Atari 800 if they wanted to write for the Atari 2600 or 5200 thus no limmited production dev kits as devlopers are on the same hardware as their computer users. It also means Sony can test new hardware in the computer market before throwing it into a Playstation.


Hell, the only reason they're not saying it right now is because they want to gamer to hold off on the 360 and think the PS3 will be out soon. But I still think a Spring 2006 release is very unrealistic.
It is possible for Sony to miss the release but they still have time to fix their problems.

[Space Lion]

With the 360's launch a mere 3 weeks away who's already pre ordered and who's going to go out in hopes of finding one? I'm on the fence right now. After playing Kameo and COD 2 I'm really interested but, then theres the chance the first batch of systems could be buggy.I think I'm gonna buy the 360 some other time. The launch titles aren't even slightly appealing to me. Also, I'd rather not spend $400 on a console just to let it collect dust until I can get an ejoyable game to play on it.

I'll wait and see what happens with the software (and XBox Live) before spending my money on the 360. Besides, I can't pull myself away from World of Warcraft long enough to care about it right now. :D

[InfinityBlade]

Anyone got $400 to loan me?

If not... nope. :p

[SNS]

As a huge Rare fan, how can I not buy it?

Finally, the long wait for Perfect Dark Zero & Kameo: Elements of Power will be over! :D

[peacebyanymeans]

December 1994 in Japan
Touche!

Devlopers can fix that themselfs, they just need to take the case off and if need be have a fan blow on it. Not if they already are busted from over heating, which might be the case.

Teh Link. (http://www.joystiq.com/entry/1234000340065758/)

Yesterday, we reported that the BBC believed that the PS3 wouldn’t be launching until late 2007. They didn’t cite their sources, but wishful thinking told us that they may have been operating on Microsoft marketing hype designed to downplay the competition. Today, however, we received a tip from a former GameStop employee that may shed disturbing new light on the subject. He asked to remain anonymous, but here’s what he had to say:

I worked for GameStop over the summer, and this came up during the Madden 2005 [2006?] Release a few months back, and “confirmed” by our District Manager, I’m not entirely sure how true it is, but if you do some research on it, here’s what you’d be looking for:

The PS3 is delayed until 2007, the decision for this came about through the failure of the initial hardware the PS3 Development Team created. Apparently, 300 PS3 Units were created and sent to various software developers to begin creating games for the new system. However, design flaws in the PS3 (Specifically, not enough coolant) caused the systems to overheat and meltdown after moderate
use by the developers.

According to my DM (District Manager), Sony went and fired the entirety of the PS3 Development Team for this flaw. In short, from what I’ve heard, if Sony gained anything from this experience, it’s minor technical knowledge on what the PS3 can handle, but for the most part they were sent to square one.

If the above statements are true, could such a monumental setback be enough to postpone the PS3’s launch date by over a year? And if so, how would the Xbox 360 and the Nintendo Revolution benefit from their newfound head start? Sony hasn't said anything, but if it's true, then I expect to see a big 07.

It is possible for Sony to miss the release but they still have time to fix their problems. Sure, it's possible, but will be extremely difficult, but I still stand that a Spring 2006 release is impossible right now.

[atf487]

It seems silly to call the revolution the only "true" next gen system when we know next to nothing about it. As for graphics sure we are'nt going to see a big leap right off the bat but as time goes by we'll see much better looking graphics.

Those are nothing but rumors right now.
Every console generation has it's major change from the last generation, but this one. The PS3, from a technical standpoint, is a bit more powerful than the xbox 360, but also will cost an obscene amount. The xbox 360 is pushing new graphics, which personally are not worth the purchase of a new console, and with no new gameplay features, beside the multimedia aspects of the console.

Have you seen the controller for the revolution? Even if it flops, or ends up sucking, it's the only real innovation of the next generation.

And the evidence for a PS3 delay is looking pretty solid. BBC dropping '22 months' as a realistic timeframe, and sony's firing of part of the dev team. Not to mention the fact that the system has never been shown running any games; all the E3 demos were pre-rendered.

[Psycho Fox]

Not if they already are busted from over heating, which might be the case.

Teh Link. (http://www.joystiq.com/entry/1234000340065758/)

Sony hasn't said anything, but if it's true, then I expect to see a big 07.

Sure, it's possible, but will be extremely difficult, but I still stand that a Spring 2006 release is impossible right now.

As for the broken dev kits Sony could just replace them as they can afford to absorb the cost. I bet if it is true some in Sony are thinking that if devlopers could replace hardware by going a computer store they wouldn't have this headace. This is why Nintendo,Sega and Atari wanted to have their hardware in computer form, devlopment for the 5200 and 2600 was done on a mostly stock Atari 800s (with modified roms) making it cheap hardware wise, same with Commodore as CD32 and CDTV devlopment was done on Amigas with modified roms.

[peacebyanymeans]

As for the broken dev kits Sony could just replace them as they can afford to absorb the cost. I bet if it is true some in Sony are thinking that if devlopers could replace hardware by going a computer store they wouldn't have this headace. This is why Nintendo,Sega and Atari wanted to have their hardware in computer form, devlopment for the 5200 and 2600 was done on a mostly stock Atari 800s (with modified roms) making it cheap hardware wise, same with Commodore as CD32 and CDTV devlopment was done on Amigas with modified roms.
But Sony will need to make new, non-over heating, Dev Kits before they can replace them, and that will delay games, which might delay the console.

[Dirtbag]

I hope Sony pushes the PS3 back as far as possible. It's number 3 on my list of next-gen systems, and the farther away from the 360 and Rev it gets the better.

[Psycho Fox]

But Sony will need to make new, non-over heating, Dev Kits before they can replace them, and that will delay games, which might delay the console.Devlopers mostly need it to test binaries thus devlopers can just keep going and Sony could compensate by ensuring they have a good compiler so their binaries mostly work by the time they get their new hardware.

I don't think many are messing too much in assembler yet thus it is too early to say for sure if Sony would have to delay.

[Jmanunknown]

Teh Link. (http://www.joystiq.com/entry/1234000340065758/)

Sony hasn't said anything, but if it's true, then I expect to see a big 07.

Sure, it's possible, but will be extremely difficult, but I still stand that a Spring 2006 release is impossible right now.
I have a question when was the last time any big gaming company responded to rumors? Don't they usually say nothing at all? Also considering that this rumor says that "Sony went and fired the entirety of the PS3 Development Team for this flaw" don't you think the that the big gaming sites like Gamespot.com or ign.com or any other large gaming site would report on this considering they fired their whole PS3 development team. I would think thats pretty big news so either the rumor is BS or Sony is really good at hiding something like firing their whole PS3 development team. If the rumor is true I think Sony might be the ones hiding Osama Bin Laden and those WMD in Iraqi.

Sony will release the PS3 in the spring of 2006 somewhere in the world. Sony isn't dumb you don't sell over 100 million Playstations and over 90 million Playstion 2's by being dumb. Also I don't think they will let Microsoft get to much of a lead and with Nintendo saying they are Launching their console around the sametime Sony has no choice. Anyway we should know for sure if Sony will Launch in the Spring of 2006 in about 2 months time.


Anyway on to whether or not i'll be buying a 360 at launch no. I'm gonna wait until Gears of War comes out.

[Noukon]

I can confirm that there's a very serious risk of the PS3 being pushed back to 2007, but I think the rumors might be a little overblown.

[Psycho Fox]

Sony will release the PS3 in the spring of 2006 somewhere in the world. Sony isn't dumb you don't sell over 100 million Playstations and over 90 million Playstion 2's by being dumb. Also I don't think they will let Microsoft get to much of a lead and with Nintendo saying they are Launching their console around the sametime Sony has no choice. Anyway we should know for sure if Sony will Launch in the Spring of 2006 in about 2 months time.

Sony's choice of technology for the PS3 might mean they will push back but it is too early to tell, even if the PS3 was delayed the PS2 is going strong enough to buy Sony some time.


Every console generation has it's major change from the last generation, but this one. The PS3, from a technical standpoint, is a bit more powerful than the xbox 360, but also will cost an obscene amount. The xbox 360 is pushing new graphics, which personally are not worth the purchase of a new console, and with no new gameplay features, beside the multimedia aspects of the console.

Yhea while it is too early to tell there are signs this may be a false start to the next generation, 360 launch titles makes the 360 look more like a upgrade then a next generation gaming system, for example you can tell Genesis launch titles from even very late SMS titles released in 1995 as even the most lazy programer could make the Genesis look far better then the SMS, same with Dreamcast and PS2 it didn't take much to make games on the PS2 and Dreamcast look way better then the best games of the PSX, Saturn and N64, I could go on but I think your got the point.

PS3 hardware is convoluted and a far cry from the simplicity of the PSX, Sony has momentum thus lots of people will run out buy at and near launch but will the bulk of devlopers and gamers move over from the PS2 and at what rate?

[Strollymonster]

I got the chance to play an Xbox 360 demo station at my local Walmart...my impressions-

-It's good they decided to give a HD monitor for these demo stations, it really helps the clarity.

-The menu system was very stylish.

-The controller was nice. Light-years better than the old Xbox controller. My only concern is the inclusion of both trigger and shoulder buttons...I had a little trouble switching between them. I imagine that the problem would disappear with continued experience with the controller.

-The system itself looked a little plain, but that's what face-plates are for.

-I only got to play one demo, but it was King Kong. I'm seriously thinking this will be the best movie-based game since Goldeneye on the N64. Amazing graphics and physics, although I fumbled with the controls a bit and kept getting eaten by the T-Rex (which was extraordinarily convincing). I'll check out Kameo next time.

I'm still not going to be buying a 360 (I'm a poor college student, after all), but I certainly will keep entering things like the EGM contest in hopes of getting one.

[Shnay]

I also got the chance to play with the 360 at a demo station today. The controller is quite nice, and most of the tweaks from the controller-S model are well done. The combo of the triggers and shoulder buttons is a little weird, as previously mentioned, but it's not too bad. Also, it feels to me like the shape of the controller has been slightly changed, and it felt somewhat awkward. Nothing that I couldn't adjust to (actually, there's a decent chance this change is all in my head), but it didn't feel exactly right on my first pick up.

As for the games, I got to try Kameo and Call of Duty 2. Before playing Kameo, I didn't think it looked very interesting and wasn't really excited about it. After playing Kameo, I'm even less excited about it. The gameplay in the admittedly small portion I played felt really dull. From the videos I've seen, it looks like there will be some cool parts in the game, but if most of it was like what I played today, then I think I'll pass.

Call of Duty 2 looked exactly like Call of Duty 1, except prettier. Call of Duty was an excellent game, so that's not a terrible thing, but for a series that emphasises the scale of battles, the action didn't seem to be taken to any new levels on this technology. Also, the controls felt a little unresponsive, but it's been a little while since I've played a console FPS, so maybe they were good and I just wasn't used to them.

I also watched somebody play the King Kong demo, but they didn't really know what they were doing, so it was hard to judge. It certainly looked nice.

I was hoping for a Gears of War video (I've seen them online, but never on a nice widescreen TV), but no such luck.

Edit: I should also mention that I ran into technical problems twice while playing Call of Duty 2. The first time, half the objects on screen turned blue, the system froze up, and I had to reset. The second time, a few things turned blue but then went back to normal.