GTA: LCS proving PSP's dominance?

[Zach]

One gamer certainly thinks so. His review (http://www.gamespot.com/psp/action/gtalibertycitystories/reader_review.html?id=186948) of the game at Gamespot says that this game is how the "PSP proves it's worth and dominance over the DS.". After reading this, I wonder, how exactly does one awesome game defeat the DS's lineup of fantastic software (Kirby, Castlevania, etc.)? I want to play LCS, but I don't see how it can overcome Nintendo's own dominance in the handheld market. Anyone agree?

[Tak Mazé]

So why is it that in almost every PSP review, the DS has to be mentioned and shunned at every possible moment? To make PSP owners feel superior?
If the DS was really that inferior like they say, why is it always compared against PSP?
Oh well. Both consoles are trashy "toys" in my opinion.

[ZeroFate]

One gamer certainly thinks so. His review (http://www.gamespot.com/psp/action/gtalibertycitystories/reader_review.html?id=186948) of the game at Gamespot says that this game is how the "PSP proves it's worth and dominance over the DS.". After reading this, I wonder, how exactly does one awesome game defeat the DS's lineup of fantastic software (Kirby, Castlevania, etc.)? I want to play LCS, but I don't see how it can overcome Nintendo's own dominance in the handheld market. Anyone agree? Now you know most if not all people on this board will agree with you. Once again another PSP bashing thread is born. I also don't know why you're looking into one fanboys opinion on Gamespot, his opinion isn't shared by every PSP owner ya know...

[Sketch]

One gamer certainly thinks so. His review (http://www.gamespot.com/psp/action/gtalibertycitystories/reader_review.html?id=186948) of the game at Gamespot says that this game is how the "PSP proves it's worth and dominance over the DS.". After reading this, I wonder, how exactly does one awesome game defeat the DS's lineup of fantastic software (Kirby, Castlevania, etc.)? I want to play LCS, but I don't see how it can overcome Nintendo's own dominance in the handheld market. Anyone agree?
GTA alone is enough for many casual gamers to want a PSP and given it's other functions... if they have the cash they'll be all over it. DS is a gaming device full of gimicks for hardcore gamers it's something very interesting for casual gamers it could be hard to get into besides stuff like Nintendogs (which is also quirky but has some very interesting entertainment value). PS2 didn't dominate the console war for nothing. Sony knows how to make a hip device that people will want to buy no matter what the cost. I still thinks it's a waste of money though. It doesn't have what I want to play and GTA, some good racing games and some decent fighting games alone do not make this a worth while purchase yet IMO. But maybe it will be some day. Reguardless GTA is the killer ap without a doubt so as far as sales go... this should help the PSP a lot but in the long run I still don't think it'll beat out the DS as a gaming device but we'll just have to wait and see.

[Artimus Gigan]

Always take fanboy opinions with grain of salt...
Honestly I just bought the PSP for it's massive planned library of RPGs...I could care less about GTA

[MattThomasM2B]

Reader reviews? Please, get that crap out of my face. :yawn:

Anyway I went to my local Gamestop yesterday to get LCS,and it was sold out.:(

[Nin-Nin69]

Speaking of GTA:LCS, they rereleased GTA:SA as a Special Edition for PS2 with a DVD about behind the scenes at Rockstar. The funny thing is I didn't see an ESRB rating on the box. It just said Rated R on the back. Also they have a tripple pack with every modern GTA for X-Box.

[Sketch]

Always take fanboy opinions with grain of salt...
Honestly I just bought the PSP for it's massive planned library of RPGs...I could care less about GTA
Yeah about those RPG's. Which ones are out and which ones are on the way?

[Noukon]

GTA:LCS is a feat, but in no measure proof of dominance. It is well-established that the PSP is where to go for superior graphics, and the DS is where to go for new forms of gameplay (or simple value). Talking about either being "dominant" is obsessively fanboyish.

[sdp]

I fail to see how GTA:LCS proves the PSP is much better, i already played that game to death on the PS2....

neat a portable version with more stuff, but i want more original games...

[Tak Mazé]

I fail to see how GTA:LCS proves the PSP is much better, i already played that game to death on the PS2....

neat a portable version with more stuff, but i want more original games...
LCS is a port of the PS2 one? o_o I honestly didn't know that! From how people were going on about how great it is, I'd have guessed it was a totally original game, not one of the crumbs on Rockstars lap.

[Artimus Gigan]

Yeah about those RPG's. Which ones are out and which ones are on the way?Metal Gear Acid
Legendary Heros(november 15)
Untold Legends
Kingdom of Paradise(november 15)
Popolos Crios(december)
X-Men: RoA

and the ones that will be released next quarter are:
Ys:AON
Metal Gear Acid 2
Final Fantasy 7: Crisis Core
Suikoden Memorial Collection(Suikoden 1 and 2)
Untold Legends 2
Monster Hunter: PSP
Princess Crown
Breath of Fire III
Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Summoner
Eiyuu Densetsu Gagharv Trilogy: Shiroki Majo
Tales of Eternia(this is the series that Tales of Symphonia is related to)
Generation Chaos(NIS's first outing on the system)
Super Robot Wars MX
Romance of the three Kingdoms 5
LOTR:Tactics

[ZeroFate]

LCS is a port of the PS2 one? o_o I honestly didn't know that! From how people were going on about how great it is, I'd have guessed it was a totally original game, not one of the crumbs on Rockstars lap. It isn't a port, it's an original game set in Liberty City. New missions and bonus features which include multiplayer and your own customized radio station. This game is WAY worth its money. If it weren't for hurricane wilma shutting down almost everything in south Florida I would have my hands on a copy by now. Luckily I have Xmen Legends II to keep me busy.

This is also nowhere the start of the PSP dominating anything. It's just the start of it getting some awesome games... which I'm pretty happy about. BTW that list Artimus posted is just great. Kingdom of Paradise and Legendary Heroes look like two really good RPGs. I'm finally starting to not regret getting a PSP with the release of GTA:LCS and that list. Hopefully the developers will keep up the good work. :p

[Zach]

Metal Gear Acid
Legendary Heros(november 15)
Untold Legends
Kingdom of Paradise(november 15)
Popolos Crios(december)
X-Men: RoA

and the ones that will be released next quarter are:
Ys:AON
Metal Gear Acid 2
Final Fantasy 7: Crisis Core
Suikoden Memorial Collection(Suikoden 1 and 2)
Untold Legends 2
Monster Hunter: PSP
Princess Crown
Breath of Fire III
Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Summoner
Eiyuu Densetsu Gagharv Trilogy: Shiroki Majo
Tales of Eternia(this is the series that Tales of Symphonia is related to)
Generation Chaos(NIS's first outing on the system)
Super Robot Wars MX
Romance of the three Kingdoms 5
LOTR:Tactics
Man, that's one incredible list, 0_0 :anime:

[Dirtbag]

...and your own customized radio station.Finally there's a PSP developer who decided to pull their heads out. The tedium of some PSP games would have been much more bearable if you could listen to your own music.

[EightOh]

Dominance, bah. If I were getting a portable system, it would definitely be a DS, and that's even with my general lurv for the GTA experience.

[Noukon]

and the ones that will be released next quarter are:
Ys:AON
Metal Gear Acid 2
Final Fantasy 7: Crisis Core
Suikoden Memorial Collection(Suikoden 1 and 2)
Untold Legends 2
Monster Hunter: PSP
Princess Crown
Breath of Fire III
Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Summoner
Eiyuu Densetsu Gagharv Trilogy: Shiroki Majo
Tales of Eternia(this is the series that Tales of Symphonia is related to)
Generation Chaos(NIS's first outing on the system)
Super Robot Wars MX
Romance of the three Kingdoms 5
LOTR:Tactics
I think you're overestimating things a bit. Ys and UL2 are the only games on that list that are official for the first quarter of '06 in the U.S. Several of those games will be released later in the year, and a very large number of them are Japan-only. A couple (such as FF7) aren't even deep into development.

[Artimus Gigan]

I think you're overestimating things a bit. Ys and UL2 are the only games on that list that are official for the first quarter of '06 in the U.S. Several of those games will be released later in the year, and a very large number of them are Japan-only. A couple (such as FF7) aren't even deep into development.Only a few on the list may end up being Japan only( like SRW MX), however being that multilanguage text is beoming more priminant in game options, and the PSP is region free, very few would not be brought over.

However you don't need to modify the system if you choose to import. And an Imported PSP game would only cost a bit more than a game bought in your area.

[g_UnIt_GaNsTa]

Isn't the DS outselling the PSP by something like 4 to 1 right now?

[Beat]

It's not proving, it's starting. PSP's biggest weakness so far has been software, and LCS is the snowball that might actually convince people that a portable is worth a high cost.

Personally, I'm still waiting on a price drop, or the 1 in a billion chance I win it in McDonalds Monopoly.

[auto]

The PSP and Nintendo DS are two completely different animals. When you pay the $130 for the Nintendo DS your pretty much buying it for more pick-up and play and universally appealing style games that Nintendo has done extremely well on the past handhelds. When paying the $250 for a PSP, your pretty much paying the same price as a console and that's what you receive. The PSP is more or less a stripped down version of a PS2 designed so developers can port their multiconsole projects to a handheld without sacrificing any gameplay.

[Noukon]

Only a few on the list may end up being Japan only( like SRW MX), however being that multilanguage text is beoming more priminant in game options, and the PSP is region free, very few would not be brought over.

However you don't need to modify the system if you choose to import. And an Imported PSP game would only cost a bit more than a game bought in your area.
So, how many of those extremely text-heavy games are going to include full English translations in the Japanese version?

[SirLemming]

The need for PSP supporters to try to one-up the DS comes from the fact that Nintendo has been winning the hand-held console wars for over a decade. I think that about covers it. Nintendo has set the standard, so every other portable system is measured by whether or not it's better than the current Nintendo portable system.

[Hurricane V1]

Is Game Boy Advance 2 still in development?

[Noukon]

Is Game Boy Advance 2 still in development?
There's probably something in the works at Nintendo (heck, new hardware usually goes into the conceptual stages before its predecessor is released), but whether or not it has anything to do with the Game Boy line is entirely speculative. The whole "GBA2" thing has only been a rumor thus far.

[Sigma]

Is Game Boy Advance 2 still in development? Will it happen, yes. When it will happen is the question. I also highly doubt it will be called GBA 2, Nintendo is a bit more original than that. I don't expect to see the next generation Game Boy to show up for another 2 or 3 years. I also think it will be graphically on par with what the Gamecube can do now and possibly even play Cube formatted discs.

[Tak Mazé]

Actually I do so hope they stick to carts, or perhaps another form of small media. I wouldn't want my new GB ending up too big. You can buy flash cards now which, when it comes to capacity, are equal to that of DVD's and are only as big as your thumbnail. Sure they're expensive now, but in a couple of years they'll be old-hat.

[Sigma]

Actually I do so hope they stick to carts, or perhaps another form of small media. I wouldn't want my new GB ending up too big. You can buy flash cards now which, when it comes to capacity, are equal to that of DVD's and are only as big as your thumbnail. Sure they're expensive now, but in a couple of years they'll be old-hat. The PSP uses discs and it isn't too big. I could see flash cards, but in couple of years they will still be more expensive than other media formats.

[Zach]

Yes, GTA will defiantly increase sales since it is no doubt an excellent game, but for every good game the PSP gets, the DS gets 3 or 4 more.

[UberMonkey]

List o' Games
Uhm, hold on a second. That seems a little long.

Metal Gear Acid - Card based Action
Legendary Heros - "Legend of Heroes", actually. Also, Port
Untold Legends
Kingdom of Paradise
Popolos Crios(december)
X-Men: RoA - Port
Ys:AON
Metal Gear Acid 2 - Card based Action
Final Fantasy 7: Crisis Core - May not be RPG
Suikoden Memorial Collection(Suikoden 1 and 2) - Remake
Untold Legends 2
Monster Hunter: PSP
Princess Crown
Breath of Fire III - Remake
Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Summoner
Eiyuu Densetsu Gagharv Trilogy: Shiroki Majo - Already listed as Legend of Heroes
Tales of Eternia
Generation Chaos - Strategy
Super Robot Wars MX - Strategy
Romance of the three Kingdoms 5 - Strategy
LOTR:Tactics - Strategy

So, uh, that's actually just 13 instead of 21. Just nine if you don't count remake/ports. I'm tempted to count DS RPGs, but I know that's not what's being argued here so I won't. In fact, the whole topic of this thread was about the senselessness of comparisons between the two for fanboy arguments.

So, on the subject, I'm going to say that, yeah, it's just bias when people make comments about that stuff. Truth is, both sides have strong game titles that appeal to their userbases. The kind of games you see on the PSP are the games that appeal to the mainstream, casual gamers - racing, sports, and certainly, GTA is a very big example of this. There's also enough UMD movies to outnumber games 2:1.

The DS on the other hand, has a strong library games that appeal more to the hardcore gamers, as well as games that are designed to appeal to "non-gamers" - Nintendogs is a big success because of this. Of course, the whole difference in input the touchscreen provides is in the mindset of creating different experiences to pull these "non-gamers" in. (One of us, one of us!) This is mirrored in their plans for the Revolution as well.

GTA:LCS is definetely a big deal for the PSP, but I'm not sure if it's really the killer app/decision maker for this current handheld war. In any case, I definetely wouldn't say it proves it's dominance over the DS - they're really aiming at different audiences.

[Artimus Gigan]

Uhm, hold on a second. That seems a little long.

Metal Gear Acid - Card based Action
Legendary Heros - "Legend of Heroes", actually. Also, Port
Untold Legends
Kingdom of Paradise
Popolos Crios(december)
X-Men: RoA - Port
Ys:AON
Metal Gear Acid 2 - Card based Action
Final Fantasy 7: Crisis Core - May not be RPG
Suikoden Memorial Collection(Suikoden 1 and 2) - Remake
Untold Legends 2
Monster Hunter: PSP
Princess Crown
Breath of Fire III - Remake
Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Summoner
Eiyuu Densetsu Gagharv Trilogy: Shiroki Majo - Already listed as Legend of Heroes
Tales of Eternia
Generation Chaos - Strategy
Super Robot Wars MX - Strategy
Romance of the three Kingdoms 5 - Strategy
LOTR:Tactics - Strategy

So, uh, that's actually just 13 instead of 21. Just nine if you don't count remake/ports. I'm tempted to count DS RPGs, but I know that's not what's being argued here so I won't. In fact, the whole topic of this thread was about the senselessness of comparisons between the two for fanboy arguments.

So, on the subject, I'm going to say that, yeah, it's just bias when people make comments about that stuff. Truth is, both sides have strong game titles that appeal to their userbases. The kind of games you see on the PSP are the games that appeal to the mainstream, casual gamers - racing, sports, and certainly, GTA is a very big example of this. There's also enough UMD movies to outnumber games 2:1.

The DS on the other hand, has a strong library games that appeal more to the hardcore gamers, as well as games that are designed to appeal to "non-gamers" - Nintendogs is a big success because of this. Of course, the whole difference in input the touchscreen provides is in the mindset of creating different experiences to pull these "non-gamers" in. (One of us, one of us!) This is mirrored in their plans for the Revolution as well.

GTA:LCS is definetely a big deal for the PSP, but I'm not sure if it's really the killer app/decision maker for this current handheld war. In any case, I definetely wouldn't say it proves it's dominance over the DS - they're really aiming at different audiences.Card based and Stratagy/Tactics games are usualy grouped with RPGs

There's also action RPG's like Zelda, it's just a different vein

However the DS has less RPG's listed than the PSP, the only one out for it now is Lunar: DS. And the ratio of remakes/ports is pretty much the same.

[UberMonkey]

Card based and Stratagy/Tactics games are usualy grouped with RPGs

There's also action RPG's like Zelda, it's just a different vein

However the DS has less RPG's listed than the PSP, the only one out for it now is Lunar: DS. And the ratio of remakes/ports is pretty much the same.
Eh, RTS is usually considered a different genre from role-playing last I checked. There are "strategy rpgs", and I think only one of those listed can be counted as that. Also, while card based RPGS exist, that's not really what Ac!d is.

And, since you seem to insist, the DS RPG list:
Mario & Luigi 2
Lunar Dragon Song
Pokémon Diamond/Pearl
Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles
Children of Mana
Western Lords
ASH: Archaic Sealed Heat
Shin Megami Tensei DS
Vandal Hearts (Strategy RPG)
Contact
Monster Farm Jamboree (First RPG in the Monster Rancher series)
Tao: Mamono no Tou to Mahou no Tamago
Pokémon Rangers
Pokémon: Fushigi na Dungeon

And the ports/remakes:
Final Fantasy III
Xenosaga I+II

So, 14 + 2 = 16. This is excluding some Anime-based RPGS as well as some probably Japan-only ones (Mushiking Beetle Battling RPG!). If you want I can include RTS and card-based games, too. In any case, I wouldn't sell the DS short on the RPG department.

[Artimus Gigan]

Eh, RTS is usually considered a different genre from role-playing last I checked. There are "strategy rpgs", and I think only one of those listed can be counted as that. Also, while card based RPGS exist, that's not really what Ac!d is.

And, since you seem to insist, the DS RPG list:
Mario & Luigi 2
Lunar Dragon Song
Pokémon Diamond/Pearl
Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles
Children of Mana
Western Lords
ASH: Archaic Sealed Heat
Shin Megami Tensei DS
Vandal Hearts (Strategy RPG)
Contact
Monster Farm Jamboree (First RPG in the Monster Rancher series)
Tao: Mamono no Tou to Mahou no Tamago
Pokémon Rangers
Pokémon: Fushigi na Dungeon

And the ports/remakes:
Final Fantasy III
Xenosaga I+II

So, 14 + 2 = 16. This is excluding some Anime-based RPGS as well as some probably Japan-only ones (Mushiking Beetle Battling RPG!). If you want I can include RTS and card-based games, too. In any case, I wouldn't sell the DS short on the RPG department.Vandal Hearts is a Port as is FF:CC, and the Shin Megumi game is the same as the PSP one with some differences IIRC

[Chad Bonin]

Have we seen any images of Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles? It'd be really weird (not impossible, mind you) to have the DS game be a direct port of a GCN game that required the GBA-GCN capability.

And if we wanna count Card/Action RPGs, you could throw in Sprung in the dating sim category, along with the Megaman Battle Network 5 dual cartridge.

[UberMonkey]

Yeah, actually, none of the three titles you mentioned (SMT, FF:CC, and Vandal Hearts) have had any real info or screenshots released - they've mostly just been announced. So, while I doubt they're ports, there's no way to tell even if you're right. In fact, there's a chance that some of them may have been cancelled, but no one's said as such.

[Tak Mazé]

The PSP uses discs and it isn't too big. I could see flash cards, but in couple of years they will still be more expensive than other media formats.True, but I did find the PSP rather heavy when I held it. Perhaps I was just tired from work, who knows? I'd like something similar to the GBA-SP in size and weight. I also like the flip-top thing. The size of the console could be reduced dramatically if the disc reader were removed. I'm not sure of the internals however, so I might be wrong but I'd take a wild stab at quite a lot of the PSP's size and weight coming from the reader.
The Tapwave Zodiac (best handheld EVAH) was out a couple of years ago and that used Secure-Digital and Multi-Media Flash cards for it's games :) They were only 7-64mb cards however, but like I said, prices for Flash cards are dropping.