Mario Needs To Retire!

[RAGNAROK13]

Does anyone else feel the mario title has been abused? sure most of the games have been good, but how many game types can nintendo wrap a mario raper around??. mario ddd, mario baseball,mario party 1-4(i think), mario 1 ,2,3, mario kart,mario sunshine, luigi mansion, etc, smash bros, etc. mario needs to buy a condo in florida and settle down with princess peach. im not saying these are bad games, but mario has been over used. sure he was a corner stone of the game industry, but nintendo needs to go and say, sure mario has kept us in business from almost the beginning, but we need to ethier make less mario games and only a few really really good games, or stop him completely. im I an alone nut who doesn't know he was saying? or am i one of many who thinks king koopa needs to be taken out to pasture?

[g_UnIt_GaNsTa]

NO.

[silverwings]

Mario is a long standing franchise. It's not going anywhere.

Frankly, a lot of the spinoffs are good (Mario Kart and Mario Tennis in particular).

Luigi's Mansion is a Luigi game. I think Mario only has a cameo. And SSB isn't a mario game at all; he's just in it. :p

As long as the games are good, let them be made. No one is forcing you to buy them.

[Artimus Gigan]

Does anyone else feel the mario title has been abused? sure most of the games have been good, but how many game types can nintendo wrap a mario raper around??. mario ddd, mario baseball,mario party 1-4(i think), mario 1 ,2,3, mario kart,mario sunshine, luigi mansion, etc, smash bros, etc. mario needs to buy a condo in florida and settle down with princess peach. im not saying these are bad games, but mario has been over used. sure he was a corner stone of the game industry, but nintendo needs to go and say, sure mario has kept us in business from almost the beginning, but we need to ethier make less mario games and only a few really really good games, or stop him completely. im I an alone nut who doesn't know he was saying? or am i one of many who thinks king koopa needs to be taken out to pasture?I thought Mario did retire from Platforming

and all the other games just showed he lives an active retirement

[Zyzzybalubah]

Replace Mario with Crash Bandicoot (yeah I'm surprised he's still there) or Lara Croft, and my friend, you have a deal. Those two need to go into early retirement.

Seriously though, there's no way Mario is going to retire. It'd be like asking Square to retire Final Fantasy, EA to retire Madden Football, Sega to retire Sonic (er, well I'll get back to you on that one), and non-video game related, it's like asking McDonalds to retire Ronald McDonald, it just isn't going to happen.

[NinjaJack]

*throws Ragnarok down warp pipe*:sweat:

[William C. Maune]

As you yourself mention:

sure most of the games have been good

Thus, is it really that big a deal if they are Mario games? Would they really be better if it was Star Fox Baseball or Made Up New Character Party 9? The quality of the games themselves is what is most important. Mario gets included because he is Nintendo's most well-known and most-versatile character. For those who aren't really hardcore gamers, the Mario name gives the common consumer a reason to pause and look at the box.

[Nin-Nin69]

Which is why I don't understand that there aren't enough games for Konami Man. ;)

[straw_hat]

If there ever was an end to the Mario franchise I really hope they'd create a game where you can travel across the entire Mushroom World and meet every single character up to that date. Although it would be one large headache just trying to pin down the right geography which was never consistent.

[Nin-Nin69]

They could do it with the next Mario and Luigi RPG, but Nintendo is being lazy on their behalf.

[Tak Mazé]

To put it simply, why get rid of something that works well? If Mario leaves gaming then so do I.

[Super Leviathan]

As you yourself mention:



Thus, is it really that big a deal if they are Mario games? Would they really be better if it was Star Fox Baseball or Made Up New Character Party 9? The quality of the games themselves is what is most important. Mario gets included because he is Nintendo's most well-known and most-versatile character. For those who aren't really hardcore gamers, the Mario name gives the common consumer a reason to pause and look at the box.
Star Fox Baseball. that's actually not a bad idea.

[Conan-san]

Star Fox Baseball. that's actually not a bad idea. I think you meen "Nintendo All-Star Dairantou SMAAAASHHHHH BASEBALLLLLLLLLLLLLL!"

Seriously.

[chris3116]

Less Mario milking like no more Mario Baseball, Mario Soccer, Mario Golf, Mario Party,... But I admit both Mario Tennis on N64 and GameCube were cool.

Mario should stay as a Platformer game. I can't wait to see the new Mario Platformer for Revolution.

I'm going to buy only the Mario Platformer, Mario Kart, and Paper Mario for Revolution.

[RAGNAROK13]

yep im alone, once again ive made a crappy thread. sorry every one:sad::(:crying::sweat:

[Kametsou]

yep im alone, once again ive made a crappy thread. sorry every one:sad::(:crying::sweat:
Yeah...

[Kurtman]

I was never much of a Mario person (I'm more of a Sonic The Hedgehog guy myself). But I think we should leave the italian midget plummer be.

[Dogbert]

No!

If you separate the Mario games from the non-Mario games that just happen to include Mario as a playable character, then you'll see that we need MORE Mario games:


Mario Games:
DK
MB
SMB
SMB2 "The Lost Levels"
SMB2 "Let's just copy Doki Doki Panic! with Mario characters"
SMB3
SML
SML2
DK (GB)
SMW
SMW2:YI
SM64
SMS

Kind of Mario, but not really:
SMRPG
PM
PM:TTYD
M&L
SML3:WL
WL2
WL3
WL4
WW
LM
M vs. DK

Now, if you limit the titles to just the current generation (new games for GBA, GCN, & DS - Not ports), you get an even smaller amount of Mario/nearly-Mario games: Luigi's Mansion, Super Mario Sunshine, Wario World, Wario Land 4, Paper Mario: TTYD, Mario vs DK, and Mario & Luigi. Have I missed any?

You can try to tell Nintendo to keep Mario out of Sport/Party games, but why? They don't force you to buy them and it's perfectly clear that they aren't traditional Mario games. If they're selling well, then it can only help Nintendo. Plus, the sport/party games DO NOT prevent Nintendo from making traditional Mario games, since they're typically developed by other companies. Plus, while none of the current gen party/sport/kart Mario games are worth the full MSRP to me (except Mario Kart Super Circuit), most are worth playing after the price comes down.

Bottom Line: I want more Mario, not less!

[GWOtaku]

Mario is Nintendo's signature character, he's not going anywhere.

What I want is to have a really good Mario platformer again, because there really hasn't been one since SMB 3 and Super Mario World. Why can't we have a 3D mario game with lots of power-ups, warp zones, coin rooms, and fortresses? Why can't there be a modern Mario game with fireballs and flight and all that quirky stuff and not some water hose?

[Harlan_Phoenix]

I think you meen "Nintendo All-Star Dairantou SMAAAASHHHHH BASEBALLLLLLLLLLLLLL!"

Seriously.
God that'd be awesome. "Super Smash Bros Party", "Super Smash Bros Tennis", "Super Smash Bros Curling".

Too bad Nintendo will only stick with Mario for these things..

[fuchikoma]

yep im alone, once again ive made a crappy thread. sorry every one:sad::(:crying::sweat:The majority of the people who visit this videogaming forum are vehemently pro-Nintendo so don't let these replies get to you. Mario stopped being fun after Super Mario World. Mario doesn't need to be retired. He needs to be fitted with cement shoes and thrown into the East River.

[Drachentöter]

yep im alone, once again ive made a crappy thread. sorry every one:sad::(:crying::sweat:
It wasn't a crappy thread. It spawned more than a page of discussion.

I disagree with you, but it's an interesting point. Mario is the father of platformers. Can he show age? Can he be overused and abused (like Star Wars, for instance?)

I think Mario still has a lot of potential. It's just that Nintendo's lost focus recently. I'm fine if they want to make so many peripheral games. But some revolutionary, yet-classic-feeling platformer game is sorely needed. Every now and then, they put the Mario franchise to good use, however (Paper Mario is a prime example).

Don't retire Mario. Restore him to his proper place: an all-age system seller.

[William C. Maune]

But some revolutionary, yet-classic-feeling platformer game is sorely needed.

One of those is in the works for the Nintendo DS.

[Superperson]

If Mario is retired then Nintendo loses lots of money, you don't something as big as Mario. Even if his name is labelled on every sport till they are forced to make him in every type of gaming genre under the sun he'll still be here, plus its not like they have any continuity with the platformers, which have no continuty to eachother so yeah, he's going nowhere.

[sdp]

i never get when people say they are milking mario...

first of all in the main series of games mario doesn't have tha many games anymore i mean SM64, SMS very few platformers which are the "real" mario games.

second, spin-offs, yes mario is in a lot of spin offs, but they are good so there is no reason to complain, if they were horrible i can see, but even mario baseball and the later mario parties are still good in their own right,

as far as other games, I consider the Mario world a big universe in its own right, what started as spin-offs (yoshi, dk, wario) are now franchises on their own, hell you don't see them crossing over too often anymore, they just share a universe kind of how batman and superman do too.

[Deadman]

if nintendo "retired" mario i would cry

[Marvin Tikvah]

God that'd be awesome. "Super Smash Bros Party", "Super Smash Bros Tennis", "Super Smash Bros Curling".

Too bad Nintendo will only stick with Mario for these things..No. Super Smash Bros. is one franchise Nintendo shouldn't milk.

Besides most Mario games are fun and that's what really matters right?

[SuperLuigiBros]

There have been so many Mario games, he is without a doubt the best-selling character of all time, so there is no way anybody would get rid of him (unless, say, Jack Thompson took over Nintendo).

[RAGNAROK13]

okay, im gonna try and save the last bits of my reputation

instead of asking if mario should be retired, is nintendo overusing and abuseing the mario franchise? it seems like their pumpin out way to many games just to build up revenue. im i wrong again? i know im not alone. their are a few prior post from people who feel the same way. so lets try this again

[Tak Mazé]

okay, im gonna try and save the last bits of my reputationYou have a reputation??

instead of asking if mario should be retired, is nintendo overusing and abuseing the mario franchise? it seems like their pumpin out way to many games just to build up revenue. im i wrong again? i know im not alone. their are a few prior post from people who feel the same way. so lets try this againNow that's cheating! :D
Anyway, I seriously doubt anyone here has shunned you or anything just for expressing your opinion. There's nothing wrong with that, nor anything wrong with the original post.
But what's my opinion on over-using Mario? Well, if you don't like it, don't buy it. It's not like they're forcing us to play every Mario game that appears. And it's not like there aren't already tons of great Mario games to keep us occupied anyway. Plus if you stop buying the crap games, they won't make em anymore ;) I believe that's why we're going to get to enjoy New Super Mario Brothers for NDS.

[sdp]

okay, im gonna try and save the last bits of my reputation

instead of asking if mario should be retired, is nintendo overusing and abuseing the mario franchise? it seems like their pumpin out way to many games just to build up revenue. im i wrong again? i know im not alone. their are a few prior post from people who feel the same way. so lets try this again
most replies already go over that though, they aren't abusing him because all the other spin offs are actually good. overusing might be correct but can too much of a good thing be bad?

and yes mario is the best selling franchise in videogames, want to know which one is the second one?

[Tak Mazé]

and yes mario is the best selling franchise in videogames, want to know which one is the second one?
Would that be Pokemon by any chance? Am taking a wild guess here ;) It's probably something I wouldn't expect.

[Rurouni Kenshin]

As others have said, there is really no need. Although I would like a normal adventure mario game like Mario64 again. Although Sunshine and the Paper Marios are fun.

[Zyzzybalubah]

As others have said, there is really no need. Although I would like a normal adventure mario game like Mario64 again. Although Sunshine and the Paper Marios are fun. You got it down the way I'd like to say it. Mario needs to stay around, but he needs some true action/adventure titles that he's had like Mario 64 and Super Mario World. I don't mind the little franchise sports titles and DDR game, but I really miss a good Mario adventure. Sunshine was good, but could have been better and the Paper Mario titles are good. Starting with Revolution, Nintendo needs to start putting 2 Mario PLATFORMER titles per console.

[sdp]

The majority of the people who visit this videogaming forum are vehemently pro-Nintendo so don't let these replies get to you. Mario stopped being fun after Super Mario World. Mario doesn't need to be retired. He needs to be fitted with cement shoes and thrown into the East River. i've been posting here for over a year and i wouldn't say the majority of the people here are pro nintendo, there is plenty of different opinions, iw ouldn't consider it too biased.

Mario stopped being fun after mario world?

so i'm guessing you never liked any 3D platformer?
Would that be Pokemon by any chance? Am taking a wild guess here ;) It's probably something I wouldn't expect. you got it.
and this is actually quite impressive, i mean look at allt he mario related games out there and mario of course a veteran franchise. While Pokemon is a relatively new franchise only being out (in japan) for a little over 10 years. Look at all the other franchises that have had so many games released and have existed three/four times as long as pokemon. pokemon doesn't really have that many games either. Even the mighty mario might be knocked from the #1 best selling franchise in 10 more years..

[Noukon]

Mario stopped being fun after Super Mario World.
Yeah, Super Mario 64 was a terrible game. Plus, it did nothing for the platforming genre.

[Tak Mazé]

Yeah, Super Mario 64 was a terrible game. Plus, it did nothing for the platforming genre.
You think so too? In old magazines they gave the game some pretty great ratings. Even a Sega Saturn magazine said it was one of the best they'd played. I thought I'd see what the fuss was about and picked up a copy for DS. Not that the game was crap or anything, but it just didn't have me wanting to play more.

[sdp]

I think he was being sarcastic, i mean Mario 64 revolutionized(created) the 3D platformers.

[Noukon]

You think so too? In old magazines they gave the game some pretty great ratings. Even a Sega Saturn magazine said it was one of the best they'd played. I thought I'd see what the fuss was about and picked up a copy for DS. Not that the game was crap or anything, but it just didn't have me wanting to play more.
Yeah, I was being sarcastic.

No game is for everyone, but Super Mario 64 essentially established the genre. I've only ever met a few people who didn't absolutely love it.

[veemonjosh]

Mario is to Nintendo as Mickey Mouse is to Disney

In other words, replacing Mario will happen the second Nintendo becomes bankrupt.

If anything should be done with Mario and his franchise, Waluigi should appear outside of the sports games.